Topic: Huge bounty is placed on Russians politicians crypto info (Read 437 times)

I believe we  have a lesson to be learnt from the Russia as well.
All the big countries depend on their own resources - like china - like Russia and they make an impact on the world.
So better be more self sufficient than asking for help

Russian hackers are good and so are Russian spys
They have survived the world's sanctions against them and yet the still very powerful. How can the world defeat a country who stand up for themselves and do not ask for help from others

"Russian hackers" are as best in the world as "the Russian army is the second in the world in terms of power"
The only thing they differ in is the lack of moral standards. I am sure they will not stop if they are given the task of "transferring the nuclear reactor of the XXX nuclear power plant to an unstable state" they will try to do this without much hesitation, since human life in Russia is the cheapest commodity. I would even say - worthless. Similarly, their army - they can only fight against the elderly and women, rape, rob the unarmed ... But as soon as they meet an armed enemy ready to fight back - they run away in hysterics or die. Moreover, Russia refuses to take their corpses "so as not to spoil the statistics"

1. If you do nothing at all, then nothing is guaranteed to work!
2. The reward for INFORMATION suggests that there are arguments and evidence that this "set of letters and numbers" really belongs to one of the Russian terrorists. Having an evidence base, it is not difficult to convince exchanges to adhere to sanctions trends, and help stop the financing of terrorists, blocking access to wallets and freezing funds, until a decision, for example, by an international court. This money may become part of the reparations that Russia will be forced to pay to Ukraine.

Not a smart move making it public TBH. Before they know it, these Ukrainian hackers could be a target of counter hacks, too. They will be done for before they can make some of the Russian politician's lives hard, or even make a threat against them. Anyways, it's a matter of time before these kinds of things are announced to the public. Ukraine wants to win this war at any costs and they are now resorting to this kind of tactic. Should they get a lot of information on the enemy's side, this will just show that even the Russian high command is scared of the falling Ruble.

Reward looks good to cripple Russian Political leaders, but if they are doing anything of that sort they should have done without announcing them. Russia is known to carry on these hacks and the rumour is that hackers have political support to carry on attack against other countries and will never accept that they have done them and that is what any digital espionage should be and not by announcing them in public.

What happens if Russia does the same to Ukraine before they even get someone taking the bounty  .

In any case, Ukraine is trying to do everything possible to punish the aggressor by any means. This should be done at least so that the citizens of the country, whose leaders will try to solve problems with other states by force in the future, understand that they will not be able to dissociate themselves from their leaders and that all citizens of this country will be responsible for their actions. This is very important, because some raise the issue that some Russians do not support the war and therefore it is impossible to punish everyone indiscriminately. All citizens of Russia are more to blame than those Ukrainians who have been under constant bombardment and artillery and rocket attacks all over Ukraine for the sixth month.

That's what the bounty's for. Ukraine presumably is not going to offer funds for worthless information that's unverifiable. Russians are already having their assets seized but I have not inquired as to how Ukraine plans to seize crypto wallets unless they're tied to exchanges or other centralized banking platforms. It's not good for crypto exchanges to be attaching themselves as the moral arbiters, but perhaps it's their fault if they choose to keep funds on centralized platforms. Tough luck.

Firstly, OP in his link to the text pointed out that Mikhail Fedorov is the Prime Minister of Ukraine and this is not entirely accurate. Fedorov has been the Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine since August 2019.

Here, many raise the question of what Ukraine will do with the cryptocurrency wallets of Russian politicians if their public address is known and whether it will apply to exchanges with a request to block the accounts of these Russian politicians. I do not think that Ukraine will do so. Now Ukraine is supported by almost the entire civilized world. Each state on whose territory a cryptocurrency exchange is registered can instruct  to help Ukraine in this regard, and the exchanges will be forced to do so. Another question is how Ukraine will be able to convince itself and how will it convince others that these wallets belong to Russian politicians?

Maybe it is useless if the info is from a common person but we are talking about politicians here. We all know that a politician can involved in corruption and they can use crypto to make their shady acts more discreet. I think this is what they are trying to look for.

Those politicians may ask a help for the best hackers in their country but Ukraine are also aware with it, this is why they are also asking for a help of finding those addresses if ever there are, in return for a nice reward. They don't want private keys along with that addresses because they are not going to steal the assets inside of those wallet. That's not a typical act that will be doing by Ukraine. We know them as a good guy and Russian are the ones that is bad as they bully Ukraine.

Once they find the information about it, what will they do next? We all know it's decentralized and will be challenging to follow if they know what they are doing. But if this would help the situation, why not?

The Ukranians are grasping at straws here, because that information is useless without the access to the Private keys. (If there intend is to get their hands on those coins)

They are also going up against some of the strongest hackers in the world, because the Russian hackers are seen as some of the best hackers on this planet. I feel so sorry for them, because it is a David vs Goliath fight for their country... and the other strong countries are spectators in this fight.  

Do you really really think that those ways will be easy enough to implement? Let me take you to the history of humanity! There was literally nothing around us and humans were able to create, fund, research which changed the course of humanity. They added enormous weapons with the available resources and knowledge which was way way poor as compared to what we posses.

In the world where you can learn how to create bombs through Internet and order tank from Dark web do you really think blocking the routes, financial assets, food can really work the math?

This is crazy world, they have money, they have resources and knowledge; im sure they can do miracles.

The measure proposed by ukrainian government can lead only to moral consequences, what means people transacting with russian addresses will be seen in a negative way and criticized by common reason in the world. Some of them might become ashamed for this reason.

Anyway, it won't prevent them from dealing with russians through cryptocurrency and won't cut russians' income at all. Actually, most people in the world are hardly ashamed for the wrong things they do.

before they can uncover those identities, these Russians already got their funds and secure it somewhere else. i don't think they will indeed put their wealth into something unreliable. and besides they have other people that will take care of their financials. most of them i believe won't be using their name to keep their riches.

Bitcoin stands for privacy and decentralization, hence the Ukrainian government would find it very difficult to achieve this aim. Crypto exchange companies must obey their confidentially policy, therefore they might not grant the request to unveil the identity of their clients. And most of these Russian leaders are not so dumb to use exchange companies that cannot be trusted.

Russia is one of the world power concerning on nuclear weapons (technology) so fighting with Russia is like committing suicide. I understand Ukraine are fighting for their right but the alternative they are seeking for would found at the beginning of the war. Now the has affected many parts of the world including Europe.

I pause with the answers to your questions. There will be a pause until I get at least some intelligible answers from you. Let me explain - I have been giving reasoned explanations and answering your questions for quite some time. I also post mine. But there are no answers to them, but only new questions, with an attempt to avoid answers. So there is no dialogue. If you really have a reasoned point of view and want to have a dialogue - I'm waiting for your answers. Otherwise, I consider our dialogue unacceptable. I still hope for your understanding and honesty....

1. No, you don't know the whole truth about Russian soldiers and the Russian army yet. This is an army of cowardly, vile, murderers, rapists, marauders, thieves. No, these are not my "nervous" conclusions, this is a statement of facts. You probably never heard about their crimes in Ichkeria, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Georgia?? There, the Russian army "fought" in the same way! If you attack, then only on obviously weaker ones. If you "win" - then through terror over the local, unarmed population! But in those cases, Russia managed to cover up crimes and prevent the dissemination of information. Today, technologies allow almost everyone to record such crimes, plus new technologies for collecting information have appeared. Only thanks to this - the crimes of Russian sadists became known to a wide audience.
I can prepare a gallery with photos from our cities, but I don’t think that everyone’s psyche can normally accept this ... Killed old people, mutilated pregnant women, underage girls raped with special sadism, mass executions of civilians, a huge number of corpses with signs of terrible torture - this is all the "army of Russia" ...


2. Justice and truth. These are the entities that the supporters of the "Russian world" are madly afraid of. That is why their entire history and policy is based on a total, systemic lie. And they all lie there, lie with or without reason, lie from childhood to old age. Lying just for the sake of lying

I don't know what's going on in Rosstat, and I'm not interested. If we are talking about election statistics, then errors are possible there, and this is difficult to verify.
But population statistics are very difficult to deceive, because these are government programs, pensions, quotas, and so on.
All data of residents are duplicated in various databases and therefore it is impossible to add non-existent 40 million population.

About justice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/04/us-weapons-ukraine/
Do you really think that those billions of dollars that the United States gives Ukraine are intended for your happiness?
Ukraine is suffering, while other countries are enriching themselves.

This is absolutely obvious and we all know the truth behind the Russian soldiers. Fighting war is not a crime but attacking innocent people who are protected by international law is a juvenile act which I will never support.

Justice does not know brother or sister, the truth has to be told. Let's tag black as black and white as white.

If this is a matter of principle, I can try to make an estimate of the real population for the given region, but I will need time. Therefore, I accept the challenge, but I take a break. Then I will have a counter question You, as a resident of Russia, will not deny that quite recently (December 2021), due to "not very pleasant statistics", the head of the state statistical office (Rossstat) was replaced in Russia. The reason for the dismissal of Pavel Smelov is "The deputy head of Rosstat was fired, who said that over 100% of Russians took part in the census" ... And what is surprising - after a new, "correct head" was appointed, all state statistics unexpectedly began to correspond " indicators declared by the president and heads of ministries" Can you give a LOGICAL explanation for such an event? And now, while working on the task you have set for me, I will also show arithmetic discrepancies in state statistics, based on official data. And I will also ask you to explain why in Russian statistics 2 + 2 = or 3 or 7, depending on the situation?



Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

Russian are good in hacking too, and they (Ukranians) might just be backfired by their own thoughts knowing that they are planning something like this. What if the Russians pretend to be an intel but in reality they are just giving wrong info. They could be giving those rewards to their enemies, it should be discreet. A mission like this should be a top secret and not known to the public.

I wasn't the first to start talking about the army. Let's close the theme with the armies.

For example, a pensioner with a pension of 9600 rubles was considered poor, his pension was indexed and it increased by 500 rubles, now he is no longer poor according to statistics.
But these data are not related to real income.
I live in Russia, I go to the store every day, I know the number of people in the region and, in my opinion, it coincides with the data on the population of Rosstat.

Write the correct data for the Novosibirsk region.


You are Russian, why write so much shit about your native country?

What does Napoleon have to do with the topic?  Well, ok, even if they started talking about Napoleon, then be consistent and tell whose troops defeated the Napoleonic Army after he reached Moscow and burned it down? He will tell you - which troops destroyed the Napoleonic army, which, having completed the task, began to move back? And explain what relation these forces had to the Russian defeated army? Believe me - if you study history, according to real data, you will be very surprised.
Victory over Hitler's Germany - 2 "victory" factors:
1. Timely assistance by Lendlis.
2. Blunt throwing "cannon fodder" of the enemy. Despite the fact that on June 22, 2041, the USSR army was many times superior to the German army.
Try to argue against? For one thing, explain why it is Russia that still keeps secret wartime archives that can show the real cost of "victory"?
And let's not jump to such topics, far from the essence of the topic? If you want to discuss - let's in a separate topic, and not like a flea to jump from one topic to another? Let's stick to the culture of dialogue ?

OK. let's move on. I will not write much again, because. I don't see the point. I'll answer your table example. Let's look at the table, and make a simple conclusion, what does it show us?
The table shows us that in the 1st quarter there were almost 21 million poor people, and then suddenly their number began to decline. And very noticeable. About 20% right? And now the question is - what happened in Russia that the number of poor people has decreased so much? Well, arithmetically it can only be:
1. A sharp increase in the income of the population
2. Reducing the poor population (for example, mortality)
Can you tell me if any of these events happened? That's right - NO! They just took and drew "nice numbers" Remember - official statistics in Russia are the most fake data you have ever seen in your life!

About the number of the population, I already told you - in 2021, the population census was OFFICIALLY carried out. In reality, no census processes took place. It's just that in the end they took and gave out a figure - 141 million, it seems. I have already mentioned. if you spend some time and work with the official channels of information, you will see noticeable gaps in the data, discrepancies in official figures, which indicates data manipulation.

Regarding the "shadow salary" - the so-called "salary in an envelope." This feature is more characteristic of the Ukrainian labor market. And in Russia, they were very proud of the fact that they managed to bring in order the payment and collection of taxes. I will say this - I myself was born in Novosibirsk, today's Russia. And as you know, I have many relatives there. Believe me - I take data not only from the state statistics, but also from living people living there. I can tell you exactly to the ruble about the prices in real stores, about pensions and the cost of utilities in many regions of Russia. And most importantly - I can prove their reality

The US national debt is the longest-lived "jingo-patriotic chewing gum" for the inhabitants of the USSR and their heirs, as well as the promise "tomorrow the USA will fall apart, the USSR will whitewash capitalism!" I, personally, have been hearing all this since the 1980s, every day we were told this through news channels, and in elementary school, teachers told us ) In a word - "the US national debt" and "the collapse of the dollar", I am absolutely not interested! At least for the simple reason that the United States has the ability to reset this public debt without any serious consequences! But that's a completely different topic...

In 1812, Napoleon thought that the Russians had a bad army, in 1914 the German Empire and Austria-Hungary thought so too. In 1941, Hitler and his allies also thought that the Russian army was weak. I hope there will be no more people who want to check it out.

Why do you say 20.8 MILLION if it is wise to use averages and not maximums?


If you say that in Russia there are 90-100 million, then write where the mistake is.
official statistics
http://www.statdata.ru/russia
Cities with a million population in Russia 2021, 2020 list
http://www.statdata.ru/goroda-millionniki-rossii-po-naseleniu

Population of Russian regions 2021: number, large regions of Russia and federal districts list, table
http://www.statdata.ru/largest_regions_russia
Correct this table


It is possible that in your country real salaries and official salaries are the same. In Russia, even in large companies there is an official salary, but there is also a shadow salary.
Most retired pensioners work as watchmen, administrators, salesmen, in short, at any job where there is no difficult physical labor and the presence of a person is important. This is also a shadow salary. Therefore, if you look officially, the picture is terrible, but in reality everything is different.

US national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Do these numbers bother you?

Well, if you believe the official propaganda - in Russia the army is the second in the world in terms of power )))

Let's take some numbers, from open sources?
So:
0. https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/218_03-12-2021.htm. Population with cash incomes below the poverty line
 in general for the Russian Federation in 2021 - 20.8 MILLION!
1. Let's start with an interesting question: the total population of Russia? It seems that a census was conducted in 2021, but there was no census as such, and the data about 140 million is more of a fake to show a "positive social situation." Judging by the pension fund, and other official figures, we can assume that in fact, the population of Russia is about 90, maximum 100 million. Total - the adjustment factor is 1.4. If interested, we can discuss this topic separately.
2. The World Bank has set the poverty line at $1.9 a day. Or 30 * 1.9 = about $60 a month. Do you remember this amount?
3. The official position in Russia is "we have about 20 million in poverty." Now open the official description of what "poverty" is according to Russian indicators. Have you read? Well, now we multiply this number by at least 1.5. Why ? And because only able-bodied citizens are taken into account here. Children do not fall into this miscalculation, but are they also citizens? And we assume that for every 2 adults - 1 child. The total is already about 20.8 * 1.5 = 31.2 million.
4. Pensioners. As of January 1, 2022, the number of pensioners registered with the Pension Fund amounted to just over 42 million. The level of pensions for civil pensioners is at the poverty line. 42 million, we divide by the "population conversion" factor of 1.4 and get about 30 million. The average "official pension" is 16,920 rubles. But the real one for the majority is about 12400-14500 rubles. Excluding utility bills. I'll be honest - higher pensions for pensioners from among the security forces. There are approximately 3 million of them. A total of 30 million - 3 million. Another 27 million citizens are on the poverty line ...
5. We also take average indicators for wages, mandatory payments - these are utility bills, and debt. In 2021, the debt burden of the population amounted to approximately 24 trillion rubles. According to the Central Bank of Russia, the distribution of debt looks like this:
59.5% of such bank loans in the third quarter were issued to borrowers with PTI over 50%, i.e. those who monthly spend more than half of their income on servicing loans. Almost a third of disbursements (31%) are accounted for by the most indebted borrowers with PTI over 80%.
(PDI - debt burden indicator)

I think it is not difficult to bring the numbers together (the poverty rate according to the world norm, the norms in Russia, real incomes and costs), and get a hidden, but real poverty rate of more than 50%.

And most importantly, the sanctions, in fact, have only just begun to take effect

But I repeat once again - more than 50% of the population will not feel a deterioration in the standard of living - they have lived at the bottom all their lives, and it is simply impossible to live worse ... Probably .. Although Russia knows how to surprise

PS They say that now in North Korea, when the population asks a question about the low standard of living, the government answers the population - "Do you want to be like in Russia!?"

If you say that officially the poverty rate in Russia is 40%, then give a Rosstat link.

"NTERFAX.RU - In Russia, there were 19.1 million people with incomes below the subsistence level in the first half of 2021, the poverty rate is estimated at 13.1%, Rosstat"
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/782984

There is a very big problem of shadow wages in Russia. According to the official income, a citizen is poor, and if you look at his property and expensive cars, then the statistics are completely different.

Please tell  for 80% of the Russian population what is a normal life?
I will translate your post into Russian and give you a link to the comments.

This is where the lapses of those using centralized exchanges will fall into, pretty good the exchanges has no option than revealing the identity of it users or placing a ban because this is government we are talking about and has the power over the rule of all affairs within it jurisdiction, but when it comes to Decentralized exchanges, no where to hold them responsible for such. So annoying again is that the same people (Russians) still have their coins on centralized exchanges, should we believe that they don't know how to go about it or were being perplex on the next step to take.

Totally opposing decentralization despite of these platforms to be centralized but these platforms could not really just block just because of the current issues we are facing on specially on this war.

I dont actually see their motive on this one but only the thing you had said about exposing their addresses and be blocked into exchangers since this is the only way that they could really
make out some effect but the main question is on how to trace it out if they are definitely owned by those politicians? Impossible task even how big the bounty would be.

What are they going to do? Leak the addresses and send them to exchanges asking not to process transactions? It's not going to work. Some exchanges will ban them and some will not because there are people who believe that access to money should never be blocked. This is against what bitcoin stands for.
There's a lot of opposition against tainting coins so what era they going to do if an exchange somewhere in Africa or Asia decides to accept these coins? Ask the Internet to boycott them?

If the succeed in getting this politicians wallet address what next. Will exchanges decide to work against their clients without breaking any of their rules or will they decide to launch a brute force on those exchanges thereby putting other customers wallets at risk?

What if this politicians uses a DEFI wallet will there still be any thing that could be done to attack their crypto asset. It's to fold my arms and watch the exent to which this IT armies can brute force DEFI wallets

Quite a reasonable move. The Russian economy - for the most part - is a big fake. 80% of the population lives in poverty, 40% (officially) are below the poverty line. these 80% do not care what happens in the country - they have never had a normal life, and they are well aware that they never will be. But the 20% and the elite - they have something to lose. They have been stealing for decades, and now they are on the verge of collapse - sanctions and restrictions can lower them from "celestials" to the ground, and deprive them of their usual high standard of living. And they are very afraid of it. And of course they will look for all possible ways to maintain their standard of living. These are potentially high risks of growing internal tension, dissatisfaction of the elites and "questions of a bunker miserable copy of Hitler." Therefore, blocking another channel for the withdrawal and preservation of the funds of these elites is the right way, which will bring victory over the Russian terrorist regime closer.

From the first day of the war, Ukraine takes the informational war very seriously. And prior to the war, Ukraine took digitalization very seriously as well. So, of course, Ukraine has cyber warriors, basically. And we do need to make the most of it, to ensure that Russia as a state is limited as much as possible, and that includes limiting Russian officials from using cryptos to evade sanctions.
As for those saying crypto exchanges, unless they're in Ukraine, won't freeze funds, you're wrong. It's the beneficial thing for Ukraine right now that Western crypto exchanges actually abide by the sanctions, and they do and will freeze accounts. And it's the right thing to do because financing terrorism is a crime, and Russia is a terrorist state right now.

Unveiling the mask of a crypto hodlers by exchange is not showing showing the freedom that cryptocurrency is representing. I don't expect it that exchanges will go that way except if it is government own but I don't think like that so to get people to expose politicians crypto wallet for bounty reward won't be an encouragement.  Zelensky is asking for this to get to freeze or block the account but it won't be possible when the exchange is not established under Ukraine

But let's imagine a situation where any exchange or service can block or confiscate a user's crypto assets without explanation. This is called financial fascism. We are all fighting for decentralization and that "code is law". When countries are doing well, their governments sit in the masks of democracy and freedom, and now, when they start to have problems, they take off their masks and show the true value of their democracy and freedoms.

The Russians might have been using the newly minted coins to hide their assets using bitcoins which can eventually end up bad for the whole community since many Russians are converting their assets in Bitcoins and also buying their estates in other states or countries to escape the sanctions, now the sanctions are actually very important since these would provide people with a reason the confront the government if they cannot bow down to normal Kindness.

Now this would require the help from the mixers and the mixing services since they are the middle places where people would go since new minted coins are not so easy to find.

Therefore this would be a collaborative effort :
1. Using the mixing services
2. Using the KYC on the wallets which are offline and being used by the government
3. Using the governmental data
4. Tracking using the banks

I find this more a buzz than actually useful endeavor. But yeah, maybe I'm right.
I mean that unless those funds can be tracked to centralized platforms that will obey any western warrants, there's not much they can actually do. And the effort may be rather big.

However, I wish them best of luck. I wish them this stupid war ends very soon and in a favorable manner for Ukraine.

Feels like they want to build army just like the one from Money Heist series.   
I am sure everyone seen how Pakistani hackers give full support to the Professor sitting away thousands of miles from the location.

Though I saw it just as fun I’m not sure if such things can really happen in reality. If it does then IT army gonna rip off many things for Russia. With the internet you can literally travel to the destination source in blink of an eye so anything is possible with this.

The vital points here:
1. Isn’t this will create buzz against UK being interfering with the war from foreign land?
2. With the UK IT army won’t it be against the international policies?

Since the Ukrainian goverment does not have what it takes to win this war, using other means could at least render an effort even though it's not solid but can help to cripple their adversaries might.

All these are very important in winning a war but I don't think the Ukrainian goverment has the capability to bring these into play. They don't have enough soldiers, equipments, missiles, war heads, strategies etc to stop the Russians effort to dominate in this war. Although other world powers like the America, germany, UK etc are helping them with donations and wapons to help repel the Russians soldiers.

What do you expect, this is war and everyone tend to use all he could within the reach of it capacity to win the war, so I don't think there's any rule or limitation to a certain extent either of the two parties can go.


One of the ways one can easily win a war like this is to:
1. Block the route of their entrance
2. Cut the means of ammunition supply
3. Block the means to the financial assets
4. Cut the means to their access to food and water supply.

War is a fight between life or death, win or loss, no one takes it likely with the other by all means. i just wish this menace end soon.

The government of Ukraine is seeking alternative ways to stave off the Russian invasion of their country
Wars can be fought on many fronts, as few stones are typically left unturned when seeking ways to gain the upper hand. Ukraine is showing ingenuity in that regards, as they are fighting against their recent unprovoked invasion by Russia through traditional military methods and also by looking to cripple Russian political leaders by actively seeking information about any cryptocurrency wallets they may own.



https://medium.com/coinmonks/ukrainian-government-places-bounty-on-russian-politicos-crypto-info-87b746d7c23b