Topic: Humility is garbage. You're too awesome for it. (Read 5427 times)

Likewise.  Take care.

I certainly hold myself to it. I agree with you mostly, joint. It's a pleasure to know you.

I'm not a Buddhist, but I do believe it is true.  Though, I would add that I think desire for things that have intrinsic benefit is a good type of desire.  I think that all desire is suffering in the same way that a free-being can simultaneously erect its own constraints.  Paradoxes are plausible.

A truism of Buddhist philosophy; attachment to desire is suffering. Gotcha.

You can prefer all you want.  Just don't be too disappointed if what happens isn't what you prefer. 

I see you're trying to be zen. Mr. Joint, of course I am not attached to the idea of an ideal world. I am also a proponent of natural selection. However, I will assert my preference for life when it is called for.

Anti-life (death/destruction?) is as natural as life.  This is evident in nature as well.  Life gives rise to death, and death is evident all around you.  Not only is death all around you, but it sustains and gives rise to life.  For there to be life, there must be death.  Appreciating the good in anti-life assists in qualitative living, I find.

That's all I bother to preserve in the end, to desire to preserve, if you will: Life. It seems other sentient things are the main things worth valuing in my life.. I don't do this out of religion or some other established cause. I certainly don't do this selflessly. I choose to love life because I choose to -- selfishly.

I don't bother desiring a purpose. It's insipid and artificial as a concept. I just do what makes me happy. Life and its long-term sustention makes me happy. I only attack things I view as anti-life.

Alpha, how bout I take a stab at describing you?  My guess is that through posting all of these grandiose opinions, which you undoubtedly choose to express in a medium where can't someone gaze back at that intent look in your eye and tell you where to shove your remorseless attitude, you gain a sense of purpose.  You're fighting for something, and it's a fight you must win.  To win is to be in control, and given that you openly discuss your discontent for a variety of things, it is no wonder you desire it.

Here's some language for you, Alpha.

The purpose of a purpose is to be purposeful according to whatever constitutes a purpose.
The purpose of life is to be purposeful according to whatever constitutes life.
The purpose of life is to live.

My purpose is being ever-fulfilled.  As such, I am content so long as there is no immediate threat to my purpose.  You, on the other hand, seem to be trying so hard to create your purpose.  You're right...you don't have time to be nice.  You have more important things to worry about.

Maybe because you can say full, and fully, and it makes reasonable sense to say un-full, but not to say un-fully. Rather you would say "emptily".

What a pointless discussion. I'm glad to have participated.

Remorselessly doesn't sound as good.

I really don't care what you believe, Matthew. I will continue to unremorsefully use the word unremorsefully.

Unremorsefully.

I found somebody else using it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/

I now say it is a word. Who is going to stop me?

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=unremorsefully

Heh.

Unremorsefully.

Value isn't just money.

Heh, I thought we were having a discussion here. I am sorry but I am not one of your girls. I don't help your self-esteem for free.

Honestly, you did a very poor job at describing me.  Try again for double or nothing.

Sure, Mr. Joint. To you there is probably no such thing as choice because you bend over every time something wants to fuck you over and you call it "sacrifice".

"I want to do this! I like it up the butt and so should you!"

In the end, it's a matter of individual perception. To me freedom is retaining my will to value what I choose. I accept what I can't change.

The cashier at the 7-11 always asked me that. I would sometimes be depressed as hell, with a migraine and the thought of suicide entering from every lobe. Despite all this I would always answer "I'm excellent. Always excellent." This wasn't to be courteous or not to be a burden -- it's genuine. I am always happy. I am always excellent. Nothing limits me nor my happiness for as long as I perceive; I take pleasure in it for I accept it as it is.

Anyways does it even matter? Why is my happiness so relevant to yours? You're a clingy one, aren't you? Oh I bet the women love you calling them at all hours of the day.

"We're one, Sarah! There's no such thing as an individual! You and me forever!"

"Personal space? Belongings! That's selfish!"

Heh.

"You're no individual. You're a shell; a means to an end. Feel free to be as such but you won't force me to play your game.

Heh and you define utilitarian resources such as energy as what makes life. You make me sick"





I'm happy.   Are you?

By the way...choice vs. "slavery" is a false dichotomy

...and life as we perceive is not a zero-sum game because our value is not limited to bare resources. Wealth can be created through what we perceive as innovation and more efficient consumption.

I mean, goddamn it, we have barely made the planet unlivable as it is. There are plenty of resources left to grasp and we still have the rest of the universe. There is no need to sacrifice. We're not all in poverty. The median wealth has raised for everybody over the past few centuries. The fact is wealth has been and will continue to be created.

Take the mathematical proof for a boundary of a boundary = zero, then add to that the concept of syndiffeonesis which essentially states that any 2 relands x and y are always embedded within a common syntax and so all relationships are syndiffeonic relationships, and you will see that the concept of an "individual" is really not that simple.  In fact, these two concepts alone are enough to throw anyone's idea of "self identity" for a loop.

Then, there is the idea of pride.  Pride is an extremely dangerous concept, especially when that pride is linked to some endowed characteristic such as your ethnic or cultural heritage.  If you are proud of what your forefathers or your ancestors did, don't be.  You didn't do a goddamn thing and there is no reason you should be proud of something you didn't do.  The idea of pride is one of the root causes of the self-vs-other paradigm which leads to things like nationalism and racism (the two are not mutually exclusive).

Having pride in something you DID do is a different issue, but it is still a touchy subject.  Can a person truly act alone to commit an act that he/she can be proud of?  Or is one's ability to act itself a result of interdependence?  I would argue for the latter.

Sacrifice is beautiful because it mitigates the ego.  When you are focused on someone else, you become selfless and compassionate.  As you are part of an interdependent system, acting selflessly and compassionately indirectly helps you.  Nature is about give and take and balance.  The thermodynamic law stating that energy cannot be created nor destroyed suggests a "zero sum game" as you put it.  If you look at nature, you will learn all you need to know about how to live.  Animals and plants take, and animals and plants give.  If you are unhappy with the current state of the world, maybe you need to sacrifice MORE, not less.  Those who take and take from nature will not be given the same amount in return.

Edit:  OP, being a human being is no more important than being a spec of dust on your mom's toilet seat.  Are you proud to be a human being?  Why the hell should you be?  By the way, the only argument I can think of that would give credence to the idea that human's are more "valuable" than anything else is due to the energy involved...we all know that it's better to eat a single cow because that cow contains x times the amount of energy of a single fish.  Thus, the cow has more energy to contribute, and thus more energy to give.  But actually...doesn't this suggest that sacrifice becomes MORE important as you climb higher up the food chain?

Edit 2:  Sacrifice is a sign of strength as it takes strength to sacrifice.  If your ego hurts when you sacrifice...then your ego is weak.

I do realize, and I said what you're saying in post#36.  

If you had no desires, you wouldn't be motivated to live. No desire --> No action as mentioned above. That's why there's no life without desire, or on the other side of the coin, no life without suffering (as the Bhuddists say).

The interesting phenomenon that the less you desire, the more pleasure you are able to receive. For example in meditation, the less you want to experience "states" while you're meditating, the "higher" you are able to get. (Meditation really can result in natural highs).

Contrary to what many people think, it is possible to "control" or influence your desires (and fears) quite extensively.
Can you look at a huge growling dog without feeling fear?
Can you look at a really hot woman without feeling desire? (try it and see what happens)
It's the same sort of mental function.

However letting go of your desires completely is tantamount to relinquishing your consciousness.  As long as you're aware, you still have some left.

Thats called getting a lobotomy and, oddly,  late-stage parkinsons. No desire -> no action

No shit...that song has so many awesome analogies...cornier than ethanol had me chuckling as well.

They are also too awesome for humility.

Yeah...us and every other known lifeform...you are no more evolved than an oak tree or a paramecium, homie.

Well experiencing isn't, wanting to is. Just to be clear, I'm not personally claiming to be selfless.


I hear ya. But I don't see any reason you can't do both at the same time  


I understand the concept of self. And I understand that it's a concept, not a tangible object.

No, he's right. Being attached to your desires is only suffering in the end. He just doesn't understand the concept of self.

I strongly recommend you try making love while on lots of drugs.

Of course but isn't experiencing pleasure selfish? Not so "selfless" is it?

The ultimate in pleasure arises from letting go of your desires.

How? There won't be a man left to experience pleasure nor give it in that case.

And here I thought the best path was the Yellow Brick Road.

Disagree. Selfless devotion is clearly the best path to awesomeness.

I believe you linked to the wrong awesome video. Try this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYT0YvQ3hs

[citation needed]

=)). Blasphemy =)).

I used to be sad when god did not speak to me, then I realised that means I must be god and I do speak to me.

LMAO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc&ob=av3e this says it

Good thing so few of us live in Israel.


Pretty much took care of that one on our own, can you say AIDS?


Kept my sons on the straight and narrow. They do their fighting in bars where it is supposed to be done.


Personally I treasure my woman enough to think this is a pretty darn good rule. Except for my ex-wife. You have her skanky ass, and for her, I would think this rule would apply.


Do you really have a problem with contract enforcement? It was right there when you signed the Covenant, quit trying to weasel out of it after the fact. You no like the Contract, you no sign the Contract.


Well, duh! Obviously you don't want to be bumping nasties with virgins at her Dad's house, tap that action in the back seat of a car, or take her back to your place you cheap bastard! And clean the place up first too, she is giving you her maidenhead, the least you could do is sweep the old pizza boxes under the bed. And go steal a new roll of toilet paper, that would be a thoughtful touch.


For thought, for warmth or for debate? Where were you going with this?

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

The bible would do great as fuel.

Well, I never read one that somebody would spell with a lower case "b", but that other one? With the capitalized "B"? Betcher ass I done read that one. Every day just afore my Daddy would take a switch to me and make damn sure I was humbled and repentant in front of the Lord.

Actually my whole purpose in posting was to fuck with this cretin's thread. I love watching bi-polar douche bags get all agitated. Nothing in finer than to watch the shallow end of the gene pool try to random associate their way towards meaning by using big words they don't understand.

I'm not judging you. All I'm saying is that the OP screamed "manic episode!" at me.

This is a virtue and I agree wholeheartedly. : )

I guess I always had a different definition... I try to not talk up how awesome I am (except right now ), and to show it instead by my actions. When I really AM awesome, it sounds a lot better coming from others. This doesn't shrink my enormous ego, but seems to go a long way with people.

*crickets*

Hey Lord?

The sanctimonious twit you want to lay a fire and brimstone smite-down on? He's right up there ^.

Amen.

What kind of God debases himself and shames his character?  What kind of God never embraces his power and who he is? A worthless and sad one. How pointless. How sacrificial.

I proudly stand by the fact that humility is usually defined as self-debasement. People may claim its otherwise but that is not the case. Some say shame must be felt. They are wrong. I will remain proud of my life and all that I have done -- right or wrong -- until the day I die. Life is too short to waste energy on ones misfortunes, flaws and mistakes. I shall embrace them.

Flaws are nothing to be ashamed of. They should be accepted and improved upon proudly. We shouldn't be ashamed of the course of life.

No, I realize my flaws. Very rarely do any of you have anything to offer in regards to that.

Because knowing beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are awesome is more than enough, unless you are insecure, and in fact, not awesome, thus have something to prove.

You know absolutely nothing about me. I suggest you begin to realize I know what's best for myself, my life and my body.

Serious question, not a troll. Atlas: have you ever spoken to a professional about your moods? You seem to veer from depression to delusions of grandeur on a regular basis.

I do not mean to diagnose someone over the internet but that reeks of bipolar disorder to me and if true you'd be far happier without the destructive highs and debilitating lows of BD.

You get off on regurgitating this stuff, don't you Atlas?

*~*~*~*~*~STILL~~MISSING~~THE~~POINT~*~*~*~*~*

Godhood is over-rated.

And God, more than any mortal embodies humility.

Guess that screws the pooch on this clever little bit of crib and quote.

The whole idea that one must degrade herself and compromise on their principles to interact in society is bunk. Why can't one value herself and still value others? Why must it be a zero-sum equation? This whole dysfunctional idea of sacrifice is disturbing. Nobody should have to sacrifice nor be lower than others  in order to provide value or receive it. We should all hold ourselves valuable and celebrate our greatness mutually -- not in levels of greatness. We are not forever indebted to some false idea of a collective. We are our own individuals and we value and create value because we wish. We are scarce. We are valuable. Let's hold ourselves as such and not in shame through the common definition of humility.

Don't be limited. Be limitless. Be yourself and only yourself. There is never a justification for sacrifice. We are human beings, goddamn it. We should build each other up and hold everyone as great beings; we should never destroy others and especially ourselves.

Sacrifice is destruction. It doesn't only come to the detriment of you but the whole. It creates no wealth. So, hold yourself high. Retain your wealth, your value and only create!

YOU ARE VALUABLE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! DO NOT COMPROMISE ON THIS VALUE!

I am sick of the weak and spineless claiming otherwise. Man is mostly a rational and constructive human being. Don't even take my word for it. Look around you. We're the product of over 4 billion years of evolution and we have economies of scale that work through great and intricate marvels of decentralized engineering. It's amazing what we are experiencing right now.

WE ARE AWESOME AND SO ARE YOU.

There are parasites out there that want you and me weak. Let's build faster than they can destroy!

I dedicate this thread to the greatness that is man.

TO THE FUTURE. TO THE DAY WHEN WE ALL BECOME GODS!