Topic: Husband of Pakistani Stoning Victim: I Killed My First Wife to Marry Her (Video) (Read 1417 times)

Police in South Asia are known for their PR disasters really. Their original intentions are usually lost in translation as well. I think they weren't trying to undermine the killing, they were only talking about the frequent nature. That said, in a majority of cases, the police there is complicit in a number of crimes and to an extent, they seem to treat honour killings as familial issues rather than ones the state should intervene in, and this is a failure of the government machinery itself.

Reporters and politicians rushed to follow their lead, and discussions about girls’ education and the crimes of Boko Haram at last punctured public indifference.

In America, another horrific crime unleashed a gush of online discourse. This time it was a 22-year-old man on a quest for what he called his “day of retribution,” when he would torture and kill “good-looking people” before launching a “war on women” to punish girls and women who he said had “starved (him) of sex.” The misogyny in the killer’s more than 100-page diatribe led women to begin using the #Yesallwomen hashtag to push forward a conversation on Twitter and Facebook and Tumbler about the rarely discussed though frequently experienced issues of violence against women, from sexual assault to harassment to domestic brutality.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/31/cnn-op-ed-manages-703-words-on-honor-killings-without-mentioning-muslims-but-ties-to-ucsb-killings/

I don't see any women killing anyone in these recent muslim/islam related killings.  Who is the "her" doing the killing you are referencing?  All I see is guys doing the killing in the incidents we are discussing.  Trying to understand your posting.

http://www.news.com.au/world/pakistan-police-call-farzana-parveens-stoning-a-routine-murder/story-fndir2ev-1226938644504

So... What is it then? I hope you will be able to develop your point of view.

Pakistan really rocks!

Pakistan police call Farzana Parveen’s stoning a ‘routine murder’

http://www.news.com.au/world/pakistan-police-call-farzana-parveens-stoning-a-routine-murder/story-fndir2ev-1226938644504

I beg to differ.  This is a matter of religion and culture.

This is not the actions of one mentally ill person.  This is the actions of a specific culture backed by the beliefs from a specific religion.  Unless you are claiming that all 20+ people involved in the "bricking" are all mentally ill.  Well, in a way I guess I agree with that.

its like the person is mentally ill can kill her own so it's not a matter of religion or culture

Not surprising at all. The Pakistanis are even more backward, when compared with the Arabs. Even the ethnic Pakistanis, born and brought up in the Western nations such as the US and the UK holds such beliefs.

When so much people support these practices, you can forget about external pressure being able to stop them fast.

Even the end of impunity (obvious first step), with harsh punishment with publicity, won't be easy to implement.  And people that are willing to kill their own daughter won't back down easily.

Four-in-Ten Pakistanis say honor killing of women can be at least sometimes justified

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif called for “immediate action” Thursday over the stoning death of a pregnant 25-year-old woman in Lahore earlier this week. Farzana Parveen’s murder, carried out by her family members because she married a man without their consent, has shined a light on so-called “honor killing,” a practice in which relatives end the lives of women and men who are said to bring shame to the family.

Stoning death of 25-year-old Pakistani woman puts focus on views about honor killingsSharif called Parveen’s death “totally unacceptable,” but a Pew Research Center survey conducted in 2011 found that the Prime Minister’s position is unlikely to resonate with all Pakistanis.

Honor killings claim the lives of more than 1,000 Pakistani women every year, according to a Washington Post story citing a Pakistani organization that advocates against honor killings. In the last few years, honor killings in Pakistan have gained international attention, with cases ranging from women refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, seeking a divorce or having a pre- or extra-marital affair.

In the Lahore case, Parveen’s father told police that he sought his daughter’s killing because her marriage to the man without his permission “had insulted all of our family.”

The Pew Research survey did not ask about children marrying without the consent of their parents, but did ask about ending a woman’s life if she engages in premarital sex or adultery. Four-in-ten respondents said that the practice was justified, including three-in-ten (30%) who said it was often justified and 9% who said it was sometimes justified. About half said that ending a woman’s life to protect family honor was rarely (5%) or never (46%) justified.

Although the issue of honor killings is mostly associated with women, a third of Pakistanis said that honor killings of men can be often (23%) or sometimes justified (10%). A slim majority of Pakistanis (57%) said the practice was rarely, if ever justified when men engage in premarital sex or adultery

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/30/four-in-ten-pakistanis-say-honor-killing-of-women-can-be-at-least-sometimes-justified/

I wonder what way people have in mind to end those practices... bomb them all back to the stone age?

All her relatives who took part in this gruesome murder of a mother and unborn child should received the death penalty and the policemen who just watched this woman being murdered should all lose their jobs and given long jail sentences. This should not happen in the 21st century, Many of us do not care whether its culture or religion that this takes place mostly in islamic countries. This needs to stop for ever..

There is another solution. It is called migration. For example, China is currently dumping a lot of its excess males to Africa and other Asian countries such as Myanmar and Sri Lanka.

Eventually nature has to balance out and get rid of the extra males.  Historical solution:  war.

Yes... sex ratio is going down in India and China, as a result of the preference for male children. Sex ration has reached alarming proportions in certain districts like Jhajjar in Haryana, where there are only 720 girls for every 1,000 boys. And in some parts of China, this is even worse.

We see similar practices in India. The cause seems to be the dowry practice. Some men kill their wife to be able to merry again and receive another dowry from the family of the bride.

But this practice has its days numbered. With growing differences between men and women available, because of the practice of aborting female fetus, soon it will be the men that will have to pay a dowry to find a women to merry.

You shouldn't be surprised. This frequently happens in Pakistan. In fact, it is even common among the Pakistani migrants living in the United Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shafilea_Ahmed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_of_Ghazala_Khan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_of_Sadia_Sheikh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2510542/Britains-white-honour-killing-Teenager-brutally-murdered-Muslim-lover-exposing-relationship-family.html

..Polar opposite: She is the sinner and she will go to hell, according to her brother, cousins, father, etc, not them. They did good.

It does not matter how leftist rightist believer atheist anarchist you are: this, is the definition of inhumanity.

Wow, to actually have her kin involved in beating her to death w/ bricks is just downright unbelievable to me. I mean, a dying dog gets a death shot or a bullet in the head but her they just crush bones in such a dated and uncivilized manner. If there's such a thing as mortal sin, they all committed it and shall forever be damned to hell.

All over the globe, it is a general rule that the Muslim population increases faster than the neighboring non-Muslim population. Muslims are making use of the demographic weapon to take over regions previously dominated by other religious groups. The examples are:

1. Bangladesh (Hindu majority until 1880)
2. Kosovo (Serb majority until the beginning of the 20th century)
3. Macedonia (process underway)
4. Kashmir (Hindu majority until 18th century)
5. Lebanon (Christian majority until 1970)

here are Muslims in India and he is stating that the sex ratio is worse among the Muslims in India than among the Hindus. India has both Muslims and Hindus. Pakistan, however, has almost no non-Muslims. That is because in countries where the predominant religion is Islam, for some reason, people of other religions seem to leave over time...

Totally wrong

The tree time divorce (not saying "I divorce you" this part was only true when marriage was not registered and marriage was done with witness, the same was for divorce and the "I divorce you" has to be said in front a certain amount of witness we are talking 7 century or so laws here) has nothing to do with divorce.
In Islam when you divorce it's done, but like in modern civil law, there is a period of time before the divorce is effective to leave a room for reconciliation (30days I think) once this period is over they are free to do what they want. As for the tree time divorce rule is about reconciliation, once you divorce and reconciliation 2 times the third time you divorce there is no reconciliation possible and the divorce is definitive and you can't remarry the person you've divorced, unless they married someone else.

This guy is a psychopath and need to be punished accordingly, sometimes in some culture divorcing is a kind of taboo and I think that's might be one reason why he resorted to such thing, but I'm just theory crafting here I don't know about Pakistani culture, but a part of it doesn't seem that good to say the least, I hope someone correct me if they have the correct knowledge about this point (since in Islam as explained above, Divorce can happen without major issues)

More importantly: "If husband asks for divorce and intercourse has occurred, he pays full dowry." Well, he invented a more cost effective way to divorce.

This system was good for a historical period, which is related to Muhammad's life. But for now some of these laws are obsolete and even senseless. That's the reason why countries like Islamic Republic of Iran are never trying to implement them without modification.

There is also something like blood money. A murderer can bribe the family of the victim, and can walk away scotfree in a matter of few days (probably free to kill again and again).

So...
The husband has to say "I divorce you" three times.  It has to be done over a certain period of time (months) and they have to try some couseling to save the mariage.

Wow, what an unholy PITA, no wonder he just killed the first wife.

Their laws are seriously twisted. A wife killer can be out of prison on bail if their son forgave him? That's a life imprisonment in developed countries

Let the Pakistanis do whatever they want. I don't even want to think about them. Let's just make sure that the Pakistani migrants living in the Western nations don't bring their stone age customs to the host nations. There are quite a lot of them in the EU. In the England alone, they number more than 1 million. Many more in Norway, Netherlands.etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_Islam

I try to be non judgmental about other countries and they way they do things but this is horrific. I bet they were shouting "god is great" as they carried out this murder.

Sick bastards.

What is wrong with this people mind.

damn some people are really deluded.. is divorce generally prohibited in their culture/religion?

The husband of Farzana Parveen, the Pakistani woman stoned to death for refusing to participate in an arranged marriage, told CNN he killed his first wife so he could marry Parveen.

Authorities said the first wife was killed six years ago.

“I wanted to send a proposal to Farzana, so I killed my wife,” Mohammad Iqbal said Thursday in an interview with CNN.

Zulfiqar Hameed, district inspector general for the Punjab police, said Iqbal’s son from the first marriage alerted police to the slaying six years ago.

Iqbal was arrested but later released on bail because his son forgave him, Hameed said.

The son, Aurengzeb, who is in his 20s, confirmed his father’s statements to CNN. He said his father served a year in jail.

Parveen, who was three months pregnant, was beaten to death with bricks Tuesday in the eastern city of Lahore by a group of about 20 people, including her brothers, father and cousin, police said.

Police have arrested Parveen’s father and are searching for the other killers in this all-too-common crime.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/world/meast/pakistani-honor-killing/index.html?hpt=hp_c2


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