If i read this thread, deny your sincere, i think good move.
But as you know, treat someome painful in heart because of being scammed is hard.
But with this thread i hope you are sincere.
Topic: I admit to being a scammer, and having multiple accounts. (Read 7700 times)
Also no, I don't think I will have a sudden trust. I don't care if people trust me ever again, just the fact that paying people back is better imho. So your saying if you scammed, you wouldn't return people's money? You seem like the big loser here.
Asshole. I'm trying to do something good here, go trash somebody else's thread.
Asshole. I'm trying to do something good here, go trash somebody else's thread.
Why you took that decision now?
You being egcellent means you owe me 3.5 btc for that copy of AC3 you never delivered. If you are going to repay, then great. Otherwise I will file a police report and come after you.
Best reply in the whole thread... A pearl, indeed.
Lovely weather we're having this time of year.
A well deserved necro.
Maybe some of the dudes that Shakaru owes money to will see it and let him taste a little bit of his own medicine...
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You being egcellent means you owe me 3.5 btc for that copy of AC3 you never delivered. If you are going to repay, then great. Otherwise I will file a police report and come after you.
Best reply in the whole thread... A pearl, indeed.
Lovely weather we're having this time of year.
You being egcellent means you owe me 3.5 btc for that copy of AC3 you never delivered. If you are going to repay, then great. Otherwise I will file a police report and come after you.
Best reply in the whole thread... A pearl, indeed.
You being egcellent means you owe me 3.5 btc for that copy of AC3 you never delivered. If you are going to repay, then great. Otherwise I will file a police report and come after you.
Best reply in the whole thread... A pearl, indeed.
where is your account Jake? I will send you a coin just because I can.
Sorry, are you wanting to give me a coin? Because if that's the case, thank you, but please donate it to a Bitcoin charity.
Will do. Maybe to a new forum member nearly at random
where is your account Jake? I will send you a coin just because I can.
Sorry, are you wanting to give me a coin? Because if that's the case, thank you, but please donate it to a Bitcoin charity.
I won't be going down the wrong path again, Matthew has helped me choose the right path, and I'd like to keep it that way.
he paid up... took a little while, but money is in my account.
I thought he would. I receive notifications to this thread, so I've been tracking the progress of this all day.
where is your account Jake? I will send you a coin just because I can.
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he paid up... took a little while, but money is in my account.
Glad to hear that. I believe in Jake. Everyone makes mistakes as a teen. Let's hope things stay on track and we can be proud of giving chances.
he paid up... took a little while, but money is in my account.
I may have to reopen this thread. We were supposed to exchange 20BTC(from me) for some PPUSD, and shortly after receiving it, he said he had "paypal issues" and asked for a repayment address. I gave him one, but then he said he was "out of the house".
Transaction ID:982773ae13aa1de50d02ff4a13792ce1dfd0cda061b4efd5ea798ac08a384c6c
I did some digging and found this (i should have dug beforehand), so i'd like to bring it to everyone's attention if he is indeed reverting to old practices. I'm not entirely sure he won't repay yet but we'll have to see.
If it becomes evident that he won't repay, i've done some digging and seem to have easily found information that can be used to reclaim this loan, so i will want to sell it.
Transaction ID:982773ae13aa1de50d02ff4a13792ce1dfd0cda061b4efd5ea798ac08a384c6c
I did some digging and found this (i should have dug beforehand), so i'd like to bring it to everyone's attention if he is indeed reverting to old practices. I'm not entirely sure he won't repay yet but we'll have to see.
If it becomes evident that he won't repay, i've done some digging and seem to have easily found information that can be used to reclaim this loan, so i will want to sell it.
Everybody makes some dumb moves. I did people wrong when I was your age too. Never fraud, but still things that can't ever be made entirely right. I never got caught, but I realized I was going down the wrong path, undid what I could, and got back on the high road.
I hope you're sincere and I wish you well. You've earned some hate, but don't let it deter you. Consider it a bargain price for a valuable lesson: Do what's right and you won't regret it.
I hope you're sincere and I wish you well. You've earned some hate, but don't let it deter you. Consider it a bargain price for a valuable lesson: Do what's right and you won't regret it.
I definitely give you credit for paying everyone back. Rebuilding trust with some may be hard if not impossible but you took a step you didn't need to although I suspect your motivation may not have been the most genuine but in short it's good insurance against a quick trip to juvenile hall or probation.
I have refunded everybody that I have scammed. I have learned by mistake, and apologize for what happened. Although I am young, I'm able to re-mould my future.
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should do this to all scammers, good job theymos.
gotta admit though, foodstampz was one fuckin funny dude.
gotta admit though, foodstampz was one fuckin funny dude.
He is paying back the money because he does not want it to be public who he is.
He was interrupted on his previous path thanks to the watchful and vigil moderators. He is paying back the funds because it is the right thing to do.Possibly because it could be reported to the police.
I'm sure everyone here would agree the lack of result that would get. We have verified his address, phone number, parents contact information and his age, and as a minor we are more interested in a corrective and supportive approach than simply joining an angry mob and kicking doors down.There will be some people who do not collect their funds... and in the end the scammer wins.
I highly doubt this. As far as I can tell, there is only one individual who has yet to be paid and that individual will be paid back with interest per OP's agreement.There are also times and forums where he does this but is not caught.... therefore even if he pays back everything when he gets caught, it will only encourage him to do it again.
At this point I'd say that that is highly unlikely considering our involvement in his life now. In any other case, you might be right though. It's hard to be sure as human beings are all different.He has said he would not stop, do not buy into him being "sorry". He was caught red handed and he is making a deal now.
In that case, any unethical activity your parents had scolded you for when you were 13, we can safely assume you are still active in to this day? Please. It's clear you were unaware this situation is being watched so closely and I will not fault you for that. It is not necessary to be so broad and judgmental. Not everything is always as it appears.If we were to make him pay back more money then he owes, this would be illegal (extortion) and there is good reasons for extortion being illegal.
No one is forcing OP to pay back more than he owes. He has chosen to do so as a sign of good faith, especially considering the religious and occupational nature of the victim (IBB). He will be paying back 6.35 BTC for a due amount of 5.8 BTC. I am sure that this will be acceptable, given the nature of the circumstances. There is no need to be greedy or overly aggressive.However, in the long term, it would be better for the community to bear the cost (perhaps he will still give back to curry favour with the judge). It should be make public who he is and reported to the police, his place of employment or schooling if any, and his family and friends. Doing this would really make the risk reward on pulling scams bad. Helping to stop future scams will save a lot more money and help bitcoin out a lot more in the future I would argue.
You are obviously unaware of his age at the time of writing this. If you were aware of it and still wrote it this way, then I have to say that in all honesty, people like you are the problem with this world. If you hadn't known he was a minor, then no harm no foul. Going to the extreme and trying to ruin his life for 5.8 BTC will not be necessary. If you'd like to ruin someone's life, please help the Bitcoin police track down any of the 20 members of constant scammers on this forum and IRC who share the same proxies and scam roughly 1500 BTC per month from the community. They are often associated with "Foodstamp", who in reality doesn't even use Bitcoin but due to his less associations has been put as the scape goat by the uninformed and overly judgmental community itself. Again, shouting "string 'em up!" at the sight of anything suspicious does not help anyone. It's an incentive problem like "tragedy of the commons", if we bore the cost of the future scams as much as we bore the cost of this guy's scams today, then it would be clear to do what I say.
I'm pretty confident whether or not the community is familair with your reference to the social dilemma "tragedy of the commons", no one will be doing what you say given the extenuating circumstances. I'm curious to see how you will respond to this now because I'd truly like to see some common sense and not more spraying of judgments now that you know the facts.it may seem as though this is easy for me to say as I was not scammed in this incident, however I have been scammed 4 times in my life (half online half off), one of those times by my sister who I haven't spoken to since (7 years or so ago).
Ah yes. Who hasn't been scammed before? In fact... who hasn't scammed once in their lifetimes themselves? Although I am sorry for previous, completely unrelated losses, I ask that you now look at the facts and restate your opinion on the matter.In any event, I will butt-out now because it is not maybe my place. But it is a suggestion.
then it would be clear to do what I say.
I'm not sure where you come from, but even I often have a problem with displaying the appropriate tone in my writing. From what I can see, you're hardly suggesting.
In summary, you're probably more or less right on about scammers in general, however in this particular instance you're mistaken. The OP is not only a minor but has no previous history of fraud as far as I have found. He also possesses an interest in making money, but clearly took a teenage approach to it and is thankful for our watchful mods for correcting him where he was wrong. I admit to having made the exact same mistake with eBay and Paypal when I was 13 as well. Children with too much time on their hands, a passion for computers, and an interest in making money can fall into traps like this quite easily.
Without going into unnecessary detail, we are in direct contact with OP, have both his, his parents and his school's contact information, verified, and are working with him to show him how to use his talents for honest business. Before anyone scoffs at this, I'd like you to take a good hard look at yourselves when you were 13 and tell me what you would or wouldn't have done if no one was around and you thought you could have gotten away with it? Please, no arguments about how you were perfect as a child. I won't be able to hold my lunch.
Considering the small amount in question (5.8 BTC) and OP's intention on returning it with interest (6.35 BTC), there is no need for a witch hunt or further persecution as far as I am concerned. If however further evidence could be shown that he has done anything in addition to what he has already admitted, releasing his IP address will be the least of his concerns. He is being watched by white hat hackers with much free time on their hands.
I hope I have not offended you in any way and I hope that you and anyone else reading this will start seeing things for what they really are instead of trying so hard to fill in the blanks with fears and anxiety. Your comments are however much appreciated and you have in fact reminded me of why it was so hard to grow up when I was a teenager. Thank god that's all over.
A couple points:
1) I did not know his age. It was not made clear and I think it's an important fact to present. It seemed as though one guy found out his identity and that was that.
2) While many people are new to bitcoin as bitcoin is relatively new itself. I have for years been involved in an industry where scamming is very prevalent and in that field is it clear that deterrence is the only thing effective. Because of his age and your level of involvement, I completely agree with your stance. However, if he was an adult it would be an entirely different matter.
3) I was an angel as a kid
Ordinarily, you'd be right on, however in this particular instance you're mistaken. The OP is not only a minor but has no previous history of fraud as far as I have found.
That is incorrect. The only reason you haven't found evidence of previous fraud is because he paid off the person he scammed before and threatened legal action for it to be taken down.When you say "paid off", do you mean the money was returned to them? I'm curious how long ago this was.
Ordinarily, you'd be right on, however in this particular instance you're mistaken. The OP is not only a minor but has no previous history of fraud as far as I have found.
That is incorrect. The only reason you haven't found evidence of previous fraud is because he paid off the person he scammed before and threatened legal action for it to be taken down.
this thread wins.
Whatever his motive, if he pays people back he has taken a step in the right direction.
He is paying back the money because he does not want it to be public who he is. Possibly because it could be reported to the police.
There will be some people who do not collect their funds... and in the end the scammer wins.
There are also times and forums where he does this but is not caught.... therefore even if he pays back everything when he gets caught, it will only encourage him to do it again.
He has said he would not stop, do not buy into him being "sorry". He was caught red handed and he is making a deal now.
If we were to make him pay back more money then he owes, this would be illegal (extortion) and there is good reasons for extortion being illegal.
However, in the long term, it would be better for the community to bear the cost (perhaps he will still give back to curry favour with the judge). It should be make public who he is and reported to the police, his place of employment or schooling if any, and his family and friends. Doing this would really make the risk reward on pulling scams bad. Helping to stop future scams will save a lot more money and help bitcoin out a lot more in the future I would argue.
It's an incentive problem like "tragedy of the commons", if we bore the cost of the future scams as much as we bore the cost of this guy's scams today, then it would be clear to do what I say.
it may seem as though this is easy for me to say as I was not scammed in this incident, however I have been scammed 4 times in my life (half online half off), one of those times by my sister who I haven't spoken to since (7 years or so ago).
In any event, I will butt-out now because it is not maybe my place. But it is a suggestion.
There will be some people who do not collect their funds... and in the end the scammer wins.
There are also times and forums where he does this but is not caught.... therefore even if he pays back everything when he gets caught, it will only encourage him to do it again.
He has said he would not stop, do not buy into him being "sorry". He was caught red handed and he is making a deal now.
If we were to make him pay back more money then he owes, this would be illegal (extortion) and there is good reasons for extortion being illegal.
However, in the long term, it would be better for the community to bear the cost (perhaps he will still give back to curry favour with the judge). It should be make public who he is and reported to the police, his place of employment or schooling if any, and his family and friends. Doing this would really make the risk reward on pulling scams bad. Helping to stop future scams will save a lot more money and help bitcoin out a lot more in the future I would argue.
It's an incentive problem like "tragedy of the commons", if we bore the cost of the future scams as much as we bore the cost of this guy's scams today, then it would be clear to do what I say.
it may seem as though this is easy for me to say as I was not scammed in this incident, however I have been scammed 4 times in my life (half online half off), one of those times by my sister who I haven't spoken to since (7 years or so ago).
In any event, I will butt-out now because it is not maybe my place. But it is a suggestion.
I just wanted to admit that yes, I would have kept going if Theymos didn't message me, or didn't rack up a ton of evidence.
Ha! I just realized what that evidence was. I didn't make the connection until I looked over my PM history, though. 
You scammed me for 2 BTC!
Please send them back ASAP:
1GbYxEDJszEtZmbhN5LNumuHm2fZ3c3R8R
Thank you
Please send them back ASAP:
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Thank you
pulls up a chair this should be good! 
are you the same guy that scammed me over $800? can you please fukin pay me that amount back? and even if you're not him, can you pay me that amount back anyways for his actions? all scammers are the same to me. it left a really bitter taste in my mouth paying with non-reversible bitcoins to purchase items. that was my very first BTC transaction too 
I think your thinking of Christopher Poole
are you the same guy that scammed me over $800? can you please fukin pay me that amount back? and even if you're not him, can you pay me that amount back anyways for his actions? all scammers are the same to me. it left a really bitter taste in my mouth paying with non-reversible bitcoins to purchase items. that was my very first BTC transaction too
are you the same guy that scammed me over $800? can you please fukin pay me that amount back? and even if you're not him, can you pay me that amount back anyways for his actions? all scammers are the same to me. it left a really bitter taste in my mouth paying with non-reversible bitcoins to purchase items. that was my very first BTC transaction too
Unfortunately I predict he will not pay everyone back (without addl scams) nor will he disclose all the accounts he has used. This is all too deja vu.
If he does pay people back, it will not be hard for him to start building trust with the members.
If he is truly sincere about turning sides, once all is paid back, a good approach to build rep would be do some trades with honest traders. You would obviously be expected to trade first for every trade from now on until you've got a significant amount of solid rep.
If he is truly sincere about turning sides, once all is paid back, a good approach to build rep would be do some trades with honest traders. You would obviously be expected to trade first for every trade from now on until you've got a significant amount of solid rep.
There is a lot of scum out there in the world & the ordinary folks posting here aren't among them. They don't deserve the crap
Hope you will remember the alternative I proposed, though it's very mentally taxing and difficult.
You can keep the 0.05 as a token.
Hope you will remember the alternative I proposed, though it's very mentally taxing and difficult.
You can keep the 0.05 as a token.
Can someone talk to zem for us as well? He got me for 18btc.
Theymos, can you shed some light on whether or not Jake is skyliner?
The IP evidence shows that Jake is probably not skyliner or Zem.
Word. Thanks for lookin' out.
Theymos, can you shed some light on whether or not Jake is skyliner?
The IP evidence shows that Jake is probably not skyliner or Zem.
If you aren't actually skyliner, it's pretty disturbing that you would try to cast additional blame on him.
I wouldn't call it disturbing so much as it is a rash and last ditch effort to avoid being caught. That's obviously old news now though considering the topic of this thread.
It's not old news for those who were scammed by skyliner and didn't get compensated.
Edit: Is Jake also Zem?
If you aren't actually skyliner, it's pretty disturbing that you would try to cast additional blame on him.
I wouldn't call it disturbing so much as it is a rash and last ditch effort to avoid being caught. That's obviously old news now though considering the topic of this thread.
It's not old news for those who were scammed by skyliner and didn't get compensated.
Edit: Is Jake also Zem?
The accounts I listed are the only ones I have used. I'm sorry for what I did and people were saying skyliner was a scammer so when I got scared I tried to pretend it was him at first. I'm embarrassed that this is all coming out like this but I know I needed this to wake me up. I'm not going to give any excuses and I will take the punishment I deserve. I really don't want to go this way and I don't know why I did it in the first place.
Theymos, can you shed some light on whether or not Jake is skyliner?
If you aren't actually skyliner, it's pretty disturbing that you would try to cast additional blame on him (the fact that skyliner is a scammer all on his own is irrelevant).
The accounts I listed are the only ones I have used. I'm sorry for what I did and people were saying skyliner was a scammer so when I got scared I tried to pretend it was him at first. I'm embarrassed that this is all coming out like this but I know I needed this to wake me up. I'm not going to give any excuses and I will take the punishment I deserve. I really don't want to go this way and I don't know why I did it in the first place.
theymos, what will be the consequences if he doesn't pay back?
I will release his IP addresses and other account information if he disappears without paying everyone back.
People familiar with his scams should notify those people who have been scammed.
I'm rooting for Jake. I think he'll do the right thing.
I'd too hate to see him OD on the smack he bought with coins he stole from an honest man....cuz karma is a bitch like that.
+1 I'd too hate to see him OD on the smack he bought with coins he stole from an honest man....cuz karma is a bitch like that.
You being egcellent means you owe me 3.5 btc for that copy of AC3 you never delivered. If you are going to repay, then great. Otherwise I will file a police report and come after you.
theymos, what will be the consequences if he doesn't pay back?
It's very unlikely that everyone who was scammed by him will claim back their money, just because they don't know about this thread. Some people he did scam may have been total Newbies and because their first experience with Bitcoin was fraud, they may already have left the Bitcoin community. He still will make profit out of his scams and will get away with it? :-/
It's very unlikely that everyone who was scammed by him will claim back their money, just because they don't know about this thread. Some people he did scam may have been total Newbies and because their first experience with Bitcoin was fraud, they may already have left the Bitcoin community. He still will make profit out of his scams and will get away with it? :-/
Would you mind if i ask what was the nature of the scam?
haha
I'm rooting for Jake. I think he'll do the right thing.
I'd too hate to see him OD on the smack he bought with coins he stole from an honest man....cuz karma is a bitch like that.
I'd too hate to see him OD on the smack he bought with coins he stole from an honest man....cuz karma is a bitch like that.
I actually plan to leave after I pay back everybody. This forum is lame tbh.
It's lame to work hard to make an honest buck, isn't it? Quit projecting. Stick with the humility you almost showed at the beginning of this thread.
Edit: Hastily posted, but this back-and-forth between shamelessness and humility makes me think you have other problems than scamming. Bite back if you will. You're still doing the right thing (right now).
Jake, I guess asking forgiveness opens you up to more extreme scamming in the future.
Good move, I bet alot of people will fall for this trap.
Good move, I bet alot of people will fall for this trap.
I've listed every single account I know of.
Although it won't likely help you to rebuild trust any time soon, I would suggest that you list your other accounts as well. You only listed some of them. Even though theymos may not have connected the other accounts to you, do you really want to take the chance that someone else hasn't connected them to you either?
Wtf?? LoL
I just wanted to admit that yes, I would have kept going if Theymos didn't message me, or didn't rack up a ton of evidence.
I wouldn't have continued even if my information was found. I knew this would come to an end, I expected this. I was going already slowing down, and stopping. Something ticked me, and told me to stop, and do something that won't screw yourself.
This forum (and its moderators) are not keen on forgiveness, overlooking shortcomings, etc due to the high volume of air heads and con-artists flocking in daily (would you be surprised to know that at least 50 users here are just here to cause trouble for shits and giggles from another forum?). It is fundamental to the topic this forum was created to handle. If this was a sewing/knitting forum, you might have a friendly response.
This is a forum full of hard-nosed economists, engineers, and self-proclaimed elitists in various fields, effectively making it an 'old guy' forum and lacking in some much needed humor and light conversation. Given the lack of places Bitcoin can be discussed intelligently, it is no wonder the aggressive and elitist attitudes given towards average-joe users here. It makes sense if you really think about it. And with the level of intelligence in this forum, it operates reminiscent to a university in that you get by farther by learning how to be apologetic for your ignorance, talking less, and presenting educated and cited points of views rather than just opinions.
As for your recent transgressions, to quote a friend "the internet loves a comeback". I for one credit you for not deleting your account and running away. This proves only that you are fearful of consequences, and as such, have a conscience. Anyone who has a conscience should have a chance to redeem themselves. I would recommend however, that you not get emotional about anything said against you-- ever. It will only be taken as a sign of ignorance and more gorillas will come to lay into you, much for reasons no longer relative to the original transgression.
Well saidThis is a forum full of hard-nosed economists, engineers, and self-proclaimed elitists in various fields, effectively making it an 'old guy' forum and lacking in some much needed humor and light conversation. Given the lack of places Bitcoin can be discussed intelligently, it is no wonder the aggressive and elitist attitudes given towards average-joe users here. It makes sense if you really think about it. And with the level of intelligence in this forum, it operates reminiscent to a university in that you get by farther by learning how to be apologetic for your ignorance, talking less, and presenting educated and cited points of views rather than just opinions.
As for your recent transgressions, to quote a friend "the internet loves a comeback". I for one credit you for not deleting your account and running away. This proves only that you are fearful of consequences, and as such, have a conscience. Anyone who has a conscience should have a chance to redeem themselves. I would recommend however, that you not get emotional about anything said against you-- ever. It will only be taken as a sign of ignorance and more gorillas will come to lay into you, much for reasons no longer relative to the original transgression.
@ Mathew
Thank you for that response. I appreciate it a lot, you seem like a great guy.
Thank you for that response. I appreciate it a lot, you seem like a great guy.
Just apologizing for the 2 posts above. I might stay, this forum isn't THAT lame or else I would have ditched already
You kind of stormed me up, when I'm just trying to change. Least you can do is support me a bit.
You kind of stormed me up, when I'm just trying to change. Least you can do is support me a bit.
Also no, I don't think I will have a sudden trust. I don't care if people trust me ever again, just the fact that paying people back is better imho. So your saying if you scammed, you wouldn't return people's money? You seem like the big loser here.
Asshole. I'm trying to do something good here, go trash somebody else's thread.
Asshole. I'm trying to do something good here, go trash somebody else's thread.
I actually plan to leave after I pay back everybody. This forum is lame tbh.
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he says he is sorry for scamming people and asks for forgiveness and fresh start
What a loser.
A loser for scamming someone...
A loser asking for forgiveness...
A loser asking for a fresh start...
Very nice of you to offer to pay back what you scammed, but that just makes you even a bigger loser. You think because you paid back the coin people will all of a sudden trust you? if you think that will happen you are even a bigger loser.
I do not think you are sorry, just sorry you got caught.
I wish I can seperate the posts on this forum in 2. Drama and Not Drama.
I just request to reverse the Paypal payment!
Wow, something new here pretty much everyday. It's certainly not boring yet! 8^)
Yup. I thought the shitlist at blackhatworld was entertaining, but the bitcoin forums are way more
Wow, something new here pretty much everyday. It's certainly not boring yet! 8^)
I doubt his sincerity, since he only admitted this after I explained to him how damning the evidence is...
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please send me a PM and I will add you to the list of people I am going to payback.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry. Reply to this thread and send me a private message.
Hello,
I admit to scamming several users over $400 in Bitcoins and PayPal. I have used the following accounts: MiddleMan, Jake, Exo, JoeyMarty, Pippipcheerio and .ME.
If you were scammed, please send me a PM and I will add you to the list of people I am going to payback. I've spoken to Theymos, and we've agreed to this.
I admit to scamming several users over $400 in Bitcoins and PayPal. I have used the following accounts: MiddleMan, Jake, Exo, JoeyMarty, Pippipcheerio and .ME.
If you were scammed, please send me a PM and I will add you to the list of people I am going to payback. I've spoken to Theymos, and we've agreed to this.
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