Topic: I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why - page 2. (Read 2404 times)

Does bitcoin core follows Satoshi's whitepaper? NO.
Does bitcoin cash follows Satoshi's whitepaper? Yes.

Here if you can see the moment in the Etherium fork that happened in the last year back , where the majority were in the opposition of the decision to make new coin as ETH and real coin to ETC . But still they made the same that what they declare in the starting .
Now a big factor is that what will happen here , it btc will BCC of BCC will be named as BTC .
Here personally I don't like this decision ( if made by the team of this experiment ) .
Here it will be more better to remain the bitcoin only bitcoin and new coin should be at his own place .
Every coin has own value and we are happy with bitcoin and if we would like BCC then we will collect them .But still I think happen will be according to minority that thought to make , and here may be happen same regardless of the majority and minority of the support network .
We'll wait for the result until everything happened perfectly .

BCC is just adding to the mass autism that is the crypto market and is essentially proving why a truly decentralized platform is completely impossible to work with if there is not a completely aligned vision for the project. It's a mass of people who simply don't want to go along with the hashing power, namely the primary portion of the network, just because they don't want to, when they have a full right to get involved and have their own voice to be heard. If they really cared about the project then they would have their own hashing power and be participating in the decision-making process, but instead they just follow along with whatever the contrarian thing is because they're either in it solely for money, or they are uninterested with actually making themselves part of the project.

if you think increasing the block size is going to make the transactions cheap and keep them that way then you are the "sheep".

no my friend. you may have a short period of fun and cheap transactions before mining cartel decides they are missing out on profit.
the first thing they will do is to change their minRelayTxFee to a higher number in their own modified code and start rejecting any transaction that is "cheap" to force the fees to go up.
next thing they will do is to spam attack the chain like they (or anybody else who were doing it and just taught everyone how to successfully do it) have been doing in the past 6 months to force the fees to go up.

and do you honestly think the mining cartel is going to give up the (12.5+fees) * $2700 and rising and go for (12.5+ cheap to no fees) * $100

wake up

Go fork yourselves Bitcoin Cash unbelievers. We Shall Prevail!

I have created a poll to see how the community views the fork and the future of bitcoin. Please answer the poll so we can have a statistically significant number of responses.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2048167.0;all

I am trying to be fair on that poll and included as many answers as I could think of. I will keep the poll open until a couple of hours before the Aug 1st fork. Let's see if the wisdom of the forum is indicative of how it will turn out.

Thank you for participating.

Back to bitcoin you mean ?? Yes now there are many many new designations for bitcoin whether it is BU or BCC but I am sure all will go back to bitcoin, I agree with you ..

It doesnt matter what we are supporting. No coin can replace Bitcoin, even if the great Satoshi Nakamoto comes and order everyone to leave Bitcoin then also I would say majority of the people will be standing with Bitcoin. Its just free money guys, claim them and sell them for more Bitcoins. 

seems this is the very weakness if Bitcoin, that it allows change and not able to stop self distruction.

all the goodies of BTC that is out of touch of any authorities, is now destroyed by its creators.

that is why the world have dictators

YES! This is +1

Not only they re greedy fucks trying to make money on this reinventing BTC, they re trying to disrupt the entire crypto. Imagine where would cryptocurrency be if BTC immutability would be destroyed and some fucker would be able to fork BTC and gets accepted by the market as the new BTC every time they want. No trust, no crypto.

So, just dump that shit as soon as you get it and never touch BCC again.

Is there a chance for BCC developers / miners (and from what I understand this stands at 40%+ atm?) / supporters to dump all their BTC and buy back their BCC? If they do that (which I highly doubt so) I think there's a high chance of swaying the majority community. It's an all out war though if this happens!

A new coin, created out of thin air, with a lot of hash power held "hostage"

It's a new form of ICO. The only mean of existence to BCC is that Bitmain will create massive amounts of money out of nothing.

BCC market cap is a heist.

I tried, but I could not have said it better.

The classical issue is that there are billions of sheeps, millions of wolfes and just a few Gandalfs for protection.  

But the biggest shit you can think of is, having a wolf sitting at the entrance core door of the safe home where all sheeps have to pass by...

Yeah seems like there is no one who is in favor for BCC,
Seems that it would be just like a new alt-coin and no one is interested for it.

You are not the only one who is against BCC others are equally against it with some school of thought concluding its some set of people wanting to hijack bitcoin, aside that even some release by some exchange site was ''group of small developers'' which I see connotes something. All I can say is the outcome of BCC whether its going to be successful or not is going to be determined by the community. Those who believed in it have their utmost reasons why they are doing so and it then fall back to the issue of which side control the highest population with the highest volume of BTC.

Okay, and what would you like people to do with this information, exactly?  Smile and nod?  You can be opposed to whatever you like, but they're still perfectly entitled to do what they're doing.  I have no particular interest in BCC, but I won't abide people trying to tell others what software they can or can't freely choose to run.  You don't like Bitcoin Cash?  Great, don't run it.  That's about as far as your opposition goes, aside from expressing your dissatisfaction about it here on the internet, which doesn't carry a lot of weight.  

You seem to have some unique ideas about what consensus means, so I'll clarify that for you.  Firstly, just because the miners agreed on SegWit2x, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone did.  There are some people on these forums who like to make the argument that miners are the only important nodes, but I don't subscribe to that notion.  So it should be made quite clear that most non-mining nodes are not running the /btc1 code which the miners likely are.  It's far from a unanimous decision.  

Further to that point, even if 99% of the participants are running the same code (they aren't, but still), if you are part of the remaining 1% who doesn't agree with that code, no one can put a gun to your head and force you to run it.  Consensus doesn't mean you are required by some sort of law to follow along for the ride.  You are absolutely, 100%, completely free to fork away at any point you choose to.  That's your inalienable right in a permissionless environment.  You are therefore not in a position to deny that right to others.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious, consensus can only be achieved by actually running code.  Sure, it's unlikely consensus would ever result in BCC building the longest chain, but if they don't release the code to find out for sure, how would we ever know?  You can't preempt consensus.  It's not your call to make.  So just relax and let the chips fall where they may.

Lastly, as for why they don't make something from scratch, again, the answer is "permissionless" and "open source".  Try and stop them.  That's right, you can't.  They can do whatever they want, as can you.  I, for one, am more than a little tired of hearing about what everyone thinks Satoshi's vision is.  The only thing I can tell you is that Satoshi probably wasn't some tyrannical "thought-police" despotic type who likes telling people what to do.  Maybe everyone could incorporate a little more of that part of his vision and stop pretending to speak for them.

Great points! I think BCC is only about seizing power from the people and putting it into the hands of the greedy few. I hope people can look past their greed to see that this is a sham.

I also hope the same thing. BCC will never exist, I'm afraid that BCC can disrupt a good bitcoin market share like this.
I do not want a nightmare like a bitcoin price reduction to happen.

^ mindsets like this is where you give over your free will to dictators because you "trust" them purely because they MIGHT be better than a sheep.
its not about 'helping the poor' its about not letting certain cartel from restricting/ignoring/avoiding and prohibiting the poor from using it

Absolutely agree, I feel hated BCC, I do not want it accepted, although it is currently carrying a good value. But compared to bitcoin, it is like a particle. It's just trying to sabotage bitcoin.