Topic: I am muslim, is there a problem? (Read 1330 times)

By this I assume you mean they followed international law... specifically, The Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, also known as the 1951 Refugee Convention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

The leftists lead by Merkel and Macron had decided that the EU should open its borders to refugees...

Rights and responsibilities of parties to the Refugee Convention

In the general principle of international law, treaties in force are binding upon the parties to it and must be performed in good faith. Countries that have ratified the Refugee Convention are obliged to protect refugees that are on their territory, in accordance with its terms. There are a number of provisions that States parties to the Refugee Convention must adhere to.

Refugees shall
    abide by the national laws of the contracting states (Article 2)

The contracting states shall
    exempt refugees from reciprocity (Article 7): That means that the granting of a right to a refugee should not be subject to the granting of similar treatment by the refugee's country of nationality, because refugees do not enjoy the protection of their home state.
    be able to take provisional measures against a refugee if needed in the interest of essential national security (Article 9)
    respect a refugee's personal status and the rights that come with it, particularly rights related to marriage (Article 12)
    provide free access to courts for refugees (Article 16)
    provide administrative assistance for refugees (Article 25)
    provide identity papers for refugees (Article 27)
    provide travel documents for refugees (Article 28)
    allow refugees to transfer their assets (Article 30)
    provide the possibility of assimilation and naturalization to refugees (Article 34)
    cooperate with the UNHCR (Article 35) in the exercise of its functions and to help UNHCR supervise the implementation of the provisions in the Convention.
    provide information on any national legislation they may adopt to ensure the application of the Convention (Article 36).
    settle disputes they may have with other contracting states at the International Court of Justice if not otherwise possible (Article 38)

The contracting states shall not
    discriminate against refugees (Article 3)
    take exceptional measures against a refugee solely on account of his or her nationality (Article 8}
    expect refugees to pay taxes and fiscal charges that are different to those of nationals (Article 29)
    impose penalties on refugees who entered illegally in search of asylum if they present themselves without delay (Article 31), which is commonly interpreted to mean that their unlawful entry and presence ought not to be prosecuted at all
    expel refugees (Article 32)
    forcibly return or "refoul" refugees to the country they've fled from (Article 33). It is widely accepted that the prohibition of forcible return is part of customary international law. This means that even States that are not party to the 1951 Refugee Convention must respect the principle of non-refoulement. Therefore, States are obligated under the Convention and under customary international law to respect the principle of non-refoulement. If and when this principle is threatened, UNHCR can respond by intervening with relevant authorities, and if it deems necessary, will inform the public

Refugees shall be treated at least like nationals in relation to
    freedom to practice their religion (Article 4)
    the respect and protection of artistic rights and industrial property (Article 14)
    rationing (Article 20)
    elementary education (Article 22)
    public relief and assistance (Article 23)
    labour legislation and social security (Article 24)

Refugees shall be treated at least like other non-nationals in relation to
    movable and immovable property (Article 13)
    the right of association in unions or other associations (Article 15)
    wage-earning employment (Article 17)
    self-employment (Article 18)
    practice of the liberal professions (Article 19)
    housing (Article 21)
    education higher than elementary (Article 22)
    the right to free movement and free choice of residence within the country (Article 26)

I think problem in stereotypes.

I personally don't trust Muslims, before I totally repect them because I believed that there are some of them are good too, yes there have but most of them are traitors. I was raised in country with great population of Muslim and I experienced it how they traitor me in a small thing.

Most of them here are terrorists and destroying the cities, killing innocent person too.

I therefore conclude that there are muslims left with a heart.

I think that problem lies with the people judging the muslim people as terrorist. There's no problem being a muslim, muslim are also people that need, love, care, and support from other people, whatever religion or race you're in. Being a muslim is not a problem at all, the true problem is those people who point there fingers on other people and judge them base on their appearance.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Did your God inspire the writers to write these verses in the Bible?

Leviticus 20:13, Do you want more quotes? I have created the whole thread about it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1367154

 . I didn't pick out anything. I just 'snipped' the quote because I didn't need to quote it all. If anyone is being silly and picking quotes it's you. There's lot's of 'love your neighbor' type things in the Quran too. - What are you even talking about? The whole world is just like that. You can go to a Walmart and find soldiers who kill all over the Middle East at times, picking out loving birthday cards for their kids. If you want to know what is going on in religious books, you need to get into them and read them.




And like the Quran there is also a lot of rubbish about god being a dick and wantonly murdering people or even commanding people to murder. There really is not much difference between either book. - Again, you are making a big mistake between the religions. The basic difference is that Allah requires perfection, and judges people based on how well they did their job of maintaining perfection.

God of the Bible sent His Son as a sacrifice for all the imperfection of mankind. The only requirement is to accept the sacrifice.

However, you have your property. You are allowed to use your property as you wish... or even destroy it if you want. God owns everything. So He has the absolute right to do with it all as He wishes. He is very patient with you when you talk against Him.


That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

You are so silly. You pick out one little Koran quote, and try to use it to denigrate the whole Bible. In doing so, you show that you are just the same as God... without His power and mercy and love, of course... and that you are against Him.

The passage you show is Ezekiel 35:28. God is announcing how He will protect His people, Israel, against Edom. The Koran quote is telling Muslims to kill wantonly. Big difference.

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

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Their is constant christian blasphemy in "christian" countries, but muslims go all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

They just can't seem to comprehend western values of liberty such as freedom of speech..

talk to my ass
damn infidel



I really appreciate you.

but in my religion, that's the condition of faith if the Qur'an and MUHAMMAD S.A.W  were insulted then we as Muslims will not be angry if their personalities are attacked but when it comes to the Qur'an and MUHAMMAD S.A.W the lives are willing to be sacrified.

as a form appreciation to you, this's my last comment. I hope you can lock this thread as your form of wisdom.

thank's

Yes, and even, they are like have forgotten all the history of other religions, and focus on Islam only, unfortunately

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Sounds to me like you are trying to find out what you really think deep down inside, by blocking out, for a while, the noise that comes in from the outside.

in essence we are all the same even though we are different in religion, everyone has two characters, 1. good and 1. evil. everyone has a different personality, there are people who have liver diseases such as jealousy and envy, people like that who can become provocateurs in the midst of religious people and humans. because such people are not happy to see other people or other religions develop more advanced

When migrants assimilate, no one is against them (mostly), but when there is mass immigration in which they create ghettos, hang out only with their own countryman and create basically a seperate society in your country,  dislike the host, that forms a problem.

If we import all of Africa to Europe, we're going to become Africa, and the Africans won't have a place to come to anymore, since our culture, which created this prosperity will be replaced by the newcomers culture which has failed to produce prosperity in their own countries.

In order to prosper from immigration it would be necessary for the migrants to adopt to our culture instead of maintaining the same culture that made them leave their country.

  , I think I would change the words of the Sufi poet and philosopher Rumi to "When you let go of who you are, when you find who you really are, this is when you will find the Divine and beauty in all".  

I was raised by a Christian mother and a Muslim dad, I have learned from both philosophies and religions.  I can't say I adhere to both or to one and not to the other, I've found my own path and I call it the "path of the Individual".  For I truly believe in the Individual and not the so called Collective mindset, look at what Collectivism is doing to our world.  It is destroying the fabric of society because of "group think" and the focus on centralizing power in Governments, Businesses etc is a danger to individual freedoms.

Then there's Ahmaddiya Islam, heck even the Druze religion can be classified as a branch from Islam. There are so many branches, perhaps not as many as Christianity, but there's still a lot that many people don't even realize.   My dad's family is from Afghanistan and he would compare these different sects all the time. 

But for me - I love Sufism because it speaks to my soul. 

"When you let go of who you are, you become who you might be." - Rumi

Salam to all!

None of the Abrahamic religions are compatible with modern values. They all condone violence, assault, murder, genocide, rape, prostitution and slavery to varying degrees. It's one of the most obvious arguments against people who think you can't be moral without religion. If we all behaved by these religious "morals", society would collapse overnight. The fact that we now outlaw slavery, rape and murder, is proof that not only does secular morality exist, but in fact almost everyone, including the majority of religious people, choose secular morals over religions ones.

The problem is that BADecker's astounding level of ignorance is really not that unusual among Christians. Most Christians don't even understand their own religion, much less the history of Wahhabism. Hell, most of them probably can't even explain the difference between Sunni and Shia. It's really quite extraordinary, and would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

I also do not understand that how it is compatible with values now? Though I agree with the fact that the values has changed a LOT this days.

How is that possible?

I think, the problem is not with the muslim people but those who created such idea that a muslim is always a terrorist. The people around them were the problem. But we could not blame those people at some point as they are just concern with their safety. But if it will go beyond that, then there's a problem that would arise. Let's keep in mind that yes some muslims are terrorist but there are also other terrorist of other religion or race, and also that it should not cover the idea that good muslims also exist.

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.


Jesus Christ, you're such a hypocrite. The bible says essentially the exact same things and arguably even worse:



I could go on but I can't be bothered and you won't pay attention anyway, but you can find more here http://www.evilbible.com/

Also the percentage of Muslims that contribute money to or actively support terrorist groups in certain countries is well above 50%.

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Yes, it is those things. But it is the written religion as well. From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

In my opinion there is a serious problem with Muslims not islam.

Islam was meant to be a religion for all ages and in my opinion is compatible with 21st century values.

The real problem lies in Muslims themselves

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

That's just not true.

Only 6% of terrorist attacks in the US are carried out by Muslims. That number is only 2% in Europe. Even if every terror attack anywhere the world at any point in the last 50 years was committed by a Muslim, that would still be less than a hundredth of a hundredth of one percent of all Muslims.

You should be scared of far right, white males. They are statistically the most likely to kill you.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000

Not all muslim are terrorists, but MANY of terrorist are muslim.

Male circumcision on the 8th day after birth, improves the immune system of the infant so extremely well, that he can almost always stand the autism producing shots he was given at the hospital. It's when the circumcision is done too soon, like on the day of birth, or too late, like long after the 8th day, that the results are barely effective.

I am an American born person.

1 Norwegian grandparent.
3 Italian grandparents.

Raised catholic.

I don’t hate you.

But in my childhood neighborhood Italian American 95% catholic if I was asked to do a favor I kind of had to do the favor or look over my shoulder quite a bit.

In my neighborhood 90% of us or more were not in the position to ask for favors we had to do them when asked.

Most often we were not asked to do them and peace was more common then not.

I think most people that did not grow up in my type of neighborhood don’t have any idea of what it is like to grow up that way.

Since I was able to leave my old neighborhood when I grew up I did.

I think a lot of people believe most Muslims are good people but that if asked to do a favor they may feel like I used to feel.  Which is I better do what they ask me or me and my family will suffer.

Truth is. Percentage wise this is rare.  If there were only 38000 events of Muslim terror since 2001. That is a small number.  as 1,300,000,000/38,000 is 31,000 to 1 chance a Muslim picked at random will do a Terriost act in the next 17 years.

Pretty good odds that the average Muslim won’t do it.

But people fear that you may support the act if you are asked to do it.

Btw in the USA multiple terriost were reported to the fbi by family members and the fbi did zip nothing nada.

So I feel for you buddy.  Maybe one day people will grow up. Stop the crazy and act nice to each other.

I agree its a sick thing to do to a baby. The muslims do it to their women and call it female circumcision. When in fact all they are doing is cutting off their clitoris. It's no different than cutting a man's penis off.

In my opinion there is a serious problem with Muslims not islam.

Islam was meant to be a religion for all ages and in my opinion is compatible with 21st century values.

The real problem lies in Muslims themselves

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

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Islam ...in my opinion is compatible with 21st century values.
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... there is also a significant Christian component too.

But this is, if I recall correctly, not endemic to the Muslim world, but rather to certain cultures and nations.

Just to be fair.

The originator of this thread may find this practice as horrible as you.

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Female genital mutilation (lets use its proper term) has no positive effects whatsoever, but a plethora of negative ones. It is simply mutilation. It is barbaric and inhuman, and any civilized country would charge it as aggravated assault.

I agree its a sick thing to do to a baby. The muslims do it to their women and call it female circumcision. When in fact all they are doing is cutting off their clitoris. It's no different than cutting a man's penis off.

Are you fucking retarded? It has ZERO benefits, ITS MUTILATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Are you serious, Takiya is another thing, Muslim Chiite use this Takiya not all the muslims, and I am not playing the victim, I am just discussing a problem

Thank you

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

there is no problem with immigrants if immigration is well managed, immigrants also make countries richer, much much richer, there are countless examples for that

usa, europe, gulf states, australia, latin america, russia etc.

And because of circumcision you hate muslim? You clearly set the bar for intellectual depthness about muslim

Circumcision is practised by cultures not just because of religious belief. This kind of statement and mentality promotes hatred not just against race or religion but people itself.

If you don't have anything good to say, just stay away with these kinds of discussion buddy. You're opiniom entitlement ends once others right starts.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Yes muslims are truly evil people, that practice disgusting rituals such as circumcision.  Very sick people.

A lot of us have suffered from Muslim haters, too. So don't play the innocent victim please.

Today Western people know what Takiyya is. They know Muslims will lie over and over when it suits them.

I have many Muslim friends and associates and we see pretty much the same regarding violent extremist Muslims.

Everywhere you go, where there's a lot of immigirants, the locals dislike them
It's not about being Muslim, it's about being n immigrant and taking over someone elses land
I'm not even talking about people of different nationalities or religions
People of the same nationality and religion are hated upon if they move in big numbers to a certain territory
The locals dislike them, because they're threatened

The most common name given to a baby in London is Mohammad, that says enough.

Are you fucking retarded? It has ZERO benefits, ITS MUTILATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a Muslim and I am not the problem. All around I see a siege being laid for the Muslims of this country. Government, TV media, social media – everywhere there is a cacophony around the Muslims.

This cacophony is the problem. I am not the problem.

Hate is being mainstreamed by the very people responsible to maintain harmony, to bridge divides.

This hate is the problem. I am not the problem.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You say, "don't play the innocent victim please", but you are pretending you have "suffered from Muslim haters, too"... lmfao... what Muslim has caused you suffering?  I'd love to hear that fucking lie

i have no problem with cirsumcision, its not bad necesarily, has also advantages.

Yes muslims are truly evil people, that practice disgusting rituals such as circumcision.  Very sick people.

A lot of us have suffered from Muslim haters, too. So don't play the innocent victim please.

Today Western people know what Takiyya is. They know Muslims will lie over and over when it suits them.

I have many Muslim friends and associates and we see pretty much the same regarding violent extremist Muslims.

A lot of us have suffered from Muslim haters, too. So don't play the innocent victim please.

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

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Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?