I don't object to a Covid immunity passport.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 30, 2021, 06:06:53 AM

Death is a fairly severe disease process, and peopkle are dying from the vaccines.

Excess deaths were far higher than normal in the period just after the pandemic started. And the figure has dropped hugely now that we have the vaccine.

When the pandemic started, the number of people dying was 100% more than normal.
As we went into the second wave just after Christmas, the number was 40% higher than normal.
When the vaccination started, the excess mortality figure dropped steadily to zero.

How do you explain this? It would take a degree of logical contortion that not even an anti-vaxxer could manage.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=~GBR

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Quote from: franky1 on August 01, 2021, 05:26:22 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on August 01, 2021, 12:23:37 PM

There is no such thing as fully vaccinated. You have to keep topping up your half empty immune system with a new one every few months.

there is no such thing as a 79yo being an immortal god that thinks he is in perfect health..
.. he may think it.. but that doesnt make it true

.. as for thinking that the 95% effectiveness vaccine number some how means that it has weakened your immune system by 5%.. (or your exaggerated 50%(half empty)).. you are wrong for many reasons

that is not what the number means.. whether you then take another wrong step to then exaggerate it or not.
maybe learn what the 95% actually means. and then return once you learned something

maybe it's time we thought we're talking to some bear and not some person, it is not possible for a person to be so stubborn as to not accept that vaccines are saving lives

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Quote from: Jet Cash on August 01, 2021, 12:23:37 PM

There is no such thing as fully vaccinated. You have to keep topping up your half empty immune system with a new one every few months.

there is no such thing as a 79yo being an immortal god that thinks he is in perfect health..
.. he may think it.. but that doesnt make it true

.. as for thinking that the 95% effectiveness vaccine number some how means that it has weakened your immune system by 5%.. (or your exaggerated 50%(half empty)).. you are wrong for many reasons

that is not what the number means.. whether you then take another wrong step to then exaggerate it or not.
maybe learn what the 95% actually means. and then return once you learned something

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There is no such thing as fully vaccinated. You have to keep topping up your half empty immune system with a new one every few months.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on July 29, 2021, 02:58:09 PM

We live in a free world but then, you can say that we aren't still free. Our freedom doesn't end just with the law buy what the government defines it to be. You can imagine how a person's concern for his wellbeing and what is good for him or her could set a whole level of limits as to what he or she could do or not. Even with the pointing evidence that, the yvaccines being distributed are only relatively safe and one can develop some sortnof natural immunity later, its just of no use to the government.
All that is of concern us how to justify for the life that has been claimed and the funds that went down the sink hole of the pandemic for which, many still doubt if it is real. Having several doses of an unsure vaccine, pumping money into the wrong wallet and still not getting infected is no guarantee. I wonder what vaccination in our world today and where is the world getting with this!

The vaccination of many people in the world right now is not because of their free will, the government is already putting force through restrictions for people who doesn't have the vaccine yet. It seems like a false hope being given to many wherein as the number of people who are vaccinated is much greater than those who hasn't yet, we can already consider ourselves saved from the virus. We shouldn't forget that the virus is evolving and new variants would keep on appearing wherein the vaccine might be considered senseless because of its existence. Let us give the people freedom to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not, they have their own reasons for sure.

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I'm also fully vaccinated, with the Pfizer vaccine, and also have a EU Covid certification that allows me to travel without the need of conducting rapid tests. Moreover, it's allowing vaccinated people to enter closed spaces and attend events.

I'm not against a universal Covid-19 certification, it's required to keep track of vaccinated and non vaccinated people. Is it classifying people? Yes, but it's a necessary evil.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 30, 2021, 06:06:53 AM

They could aslso ban smokers and vapers from travel and public venues, that makes more sense than banning unvaccinated people with natural immunity.

You do realize that those you mentioned above are all subjected to something more of a economic politics as those are so wide that can't be just banned.

And do note that these are activities, and not a disease that can harm someone innocently. Plus there are currently regulations regarding smoking and vaping in public ares, I don't know in your place but in my place, it is only allowed to smoke in smoking areas.

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if jetcash dares thinks for 5 seconds and asks himself
whats the difference between:
a passport
a travel visa
a driving licence.

and understands their purpose
he will realise there is no 'vaccine passport'
there is a vaccine certificate. an official letter that shows the details of the little paper card scribbled with which batch of vaccine someone had

but its not some ID2020 thing with biometrics and photos and life history.

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also jetcash doesnt leave the UK. so i dont see why he is even bothered by international travel things.
but one thing is for sure. you can still travel without a vaccine certificate. and travel back. all it changes really is if you are going to a virus hotzone your going to have to quarantine. unless you have had the vaccine(again something he refuses to have) so a vaccine certificate(his view of passport) wont even apply to him anyway

those in virus 'warm' zones. dont quarantine. they just have to be tested. well again no odds to jetcash.
being tested to get a certificate or being tested without certificate. doesnt affect jetcash. it doesnt change the experience either way

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 30, 2021, 06:06:53 AM

Death is a fairly severe disease process, and peopkle are dying from the vaccines.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that lie. It's not gonna come true.

Not to mention that you can die without going through a severe disease process.

The way you abstract yourself from reality and do not pay attention to what can modify your preconceived ideas does seem to me to be a severe process.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 29, 2021, 02:36:53 PM

I'm a bit concerned about the changes that they seem to be considering. It seems they are talking about restricting the use of campervans, so we are probably going to see more stealth vans appearing.

A bit OT from the rest of your post but: How do you restrict the use of a campervan?
Unless there is a dialect difference between what they are in the UK and what I am thinking of here in the US that I could not find.

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Death is a fairly severe disease process, and peopkle are dying from the vaccines. Inly those with co-morbidities will die or suffer with severe health issues as a result of the virus.

Why don't we do something about morbid obesity, and other causes of insuling resistance? that would do more good if the issue is realy about ptoecting our health. They could aslso ban smokers and vapers from travel and public venues, that makes more sense than banning unvaccinated people with natural immunity.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 29, 2021, 02:36:53 PM

However, I do object to one that is restricted to "fully vaccinated" people. It seems that fully vaccinated is a misnomer, as those who elected for this inferior method of protection will have to have regular "booster" jabs. It also seems that it doesn't stop you being infected anyway. I would support a passport that checked for long term "T" cell immunity, as long as those with natural immunity are not forced to be vaccinated to reduce this immunity. This would save the cost of vaccination for most of the population, but of course that is not what the government wants. I understand they have spent £375 billion on the fake pandemic, and they are going to have to justify that.

I'm a bit concerned about the changes that they seem to be considering. It seems they are talking about restricting the use of campervans, so we are probably going to see more stealth vans appearing.

The corona vaccine won't prevent you from getting the virus, there is still a small chance to catch the virus. But what it does is to protect you from a severe disease process. The thing with the vaccination is that it is important to contain the virus and make us get back to our ordinary life eventually. And for all the people to actually get the vaccine we need to offer some perks. If the non vaccinated and the vaccinated people would have the exact same rights then people wouldn't take the vaccine, only the ill and elderly. I thin it's good to give vaccinated people some kind of freedom back.

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I don't object to a Covid immunity passport either. What I object to is Jet Cash saying things simply because he thinks so, without backing them up with any scientific evidence and ignoring the information he is given.

It's been a couple of months since I said this:

Quote from: Poker Player on May 20, 2021, 11:32:37 PM

Actually, at least when I heard about Covid passports, they didn't just refer to being vaccinated, although it seems that way from the title:

"How will the EU vaccine passport work?
...
The certificate, either digital or on paper, will enable anyone vaccinated against Covid, or who has tested negative, or recently recovered from the virus, to travel across all 27 member states."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56522408

So there are three ways to get it, not just the vaccine. The easiest way if you don't like vaccines is to get tested.

And from what I've continued to see over time, it's not just in the EU. Anywhere they talk about the passport, they talk about those 3 ways to get it.

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I identify as vaccinated. That should be good enough to please the liberal coward crowd pushing this nonsense. If anyone doesn’t feel like identifying as vaccinated isn’t good enough then you should be cancelled, lose your job, your reputation, and be terrorized on social media. That’s how it works right?

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there is no vaccine passport

jetcash is british and never travelled outside the UK
and shops, pubs, restaurants dont request anything.. even masks are not mandatory..

jetcash really needs to get out of his campervan and actually realise this.,.
yep go to the grocery store. go to a restaurant. go nightclubbing. go play a sport
go do normal things..

those shouting out "vaccine passport" are idiots that imagine there is some special ID card(ID2020 fallacy) they have to apply for that puts their life story into some certificate attached to their photo and address and vaccine status
sorry but there is no passport

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I guess lost in the discussion of vaccination are people that already had the virus and have natural immunity, so they wouldn't be eligible for the traditional vaccine passport. Doesn't make much sense to me, because I haven't seen much evidence that people who got the virus and recovered on their own are getting reinfected, and act as chief vectors of transmission. But still, vaccine passports are a stupid idea, they fuel the delusion that vaccines don't protect people.

If you are vaccinated, you are protected, and it doesn't matter if you're around people that are unvaxxed. People don't get this for some reason.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 29, 2021, 02:36:53 PM

However, I do object to one that is restricted to "fully vaccinated" people. It seems that fully vaccinated is a misnomer, as those who elected for this inferior method of protection will have to have regular "booster" jabs. It also seems that it doesn't stop you being infected anyway. I would support a passport that checked for long term "T" cell immunity, as long as those with natural immunity are not forced to be vaccinated to reduce this immunity. This would save the cost of vaccination for most of the population, but of course that is not what the government wants. I understand they have spent £375 billion on the fake pandemic, and they are going to have to justify that.

I'm a bit concerned about the changes that they seem to be considering. It seems they are talking about restricting the use of campervans, so we are probably going to see more stealth vans appearing.

and then stealth boat? hunger game redux?

the vaxxghools and their vaxxnazishandlers? biowaste !

Personally, I don't care, life will be brought back to the way it was.

I am not interested in the how, it will.

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We live in a free world but then, you can say that we aren't still free. Our freedom doesn't end just with the law buy what the government defines it to be. You can imagine how a person's concern for his wellbeing and what is good for him or her could set a whole level of limits as to what he or she could do or not. Even with the pointing evidence that, the yvaccines being distributed are only relatively safe and one can develop some sortnof natural immunity later, its just of no use to the government.
All that is of concern us how to justify for the life that has been claimed and the funds that went down the sink hole of the pandemic for which, many still doubt if it is real. Having several doses of an unsure vaccine, pumping money into the wrong wallet and still not getting infected is no guarantee. I wonder what vaccination in our world today and where is the world getting with this!

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However, I do object to one that is restricted to "fully vaccinated" people. It seems that fully vaccinated is a misnomer, as those who elected for this inferior method of protection will have to have regular "booster" jabs. It also seems that it doesn't stop you being infected anyway. I would support a passport that checked for long term "T" cell immunity, as long as those with natural immunity are not forced to be vaccinated to reduce this immunity. This would save the cost of vaccination for most of the population, but of course that is not what the government wants. I understand they have spent £375 billion on the fake pandemic, and they are going to have to justify that.

I'm a bit concerned about the changes that they seem to be considering. It seems they are talking about restricting the use of campervans, so we are probably going to see more stealth vans appearing.

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