Topic: I got 120$ free After I generated 24 Seed for the first time (Read 678 times)
i've noticed this stuff always involves some girl
Shocking, I was looking though my post history for a comment I made a few months ago and saw this thread. And look the troll has not come back to post his conclusive proof.
Wow who would have thought......
Back to looking for the post I was looking for and remember to keep alexey14 on ignore.
-Dave
Wow who would have thought......
Back to looking for the post I was looking for and remember to keep alexey14 on ignore.
-Dave
September 12, 2024, 05:32:04 PM
Tomorrow I will Post Update 3, it will be most important update , it answer lot of questions.
Still waiting for your update number 3, and you have been online today. I know you'll not agree with me, but i don't think you have any new update, if you did, you'll have posted it earlier since nobody believed your story from the beginning. This is where i leave the thread, as this will be my last post here, i also think you should follow my last recommendation to you: lock the thread. September 11, 2024, 04:32:17 PM
alexey14, you have made 3 posts in a row, posting multiple times in a row goes against the forum rules. Back to the topic, i think you should lock it now as it is turning very ugly, a lot of users do not believe the story you have posted, and truly it sounds like a made-up story, while you are standing your ground that it is true, so instead of all the tantrums, just lock it, except you're enjoying it, so up to you.
I dont care about them, the thing is they are here to promote their signature but nothing else, They need money bcz their family is hungeryMy man, you are the one who has opened a thread/discussion in this section of the forum about a possible very serious security thread in one of the most widespread hardware wallet brands in the world, you cannot just pretend there will not be skeptical people if you have not had posted/shared evidence with us from the beginning. So you should a a little bit of a thicker skin and learn how to take valid skepticism from people on the internet.
By the way, you complain about how you are being called by one member of this forum who has a good reputation, and yet to sink to the level of insulting him and his family for alledged poverty, which is wrong. Nobody chooses to be poor.
If you have further evidence this will be news which will be featured all around internet and you will get your fifteen minutes of fame, otherwise nothing will go beyond speculation. You choose.
September 08, 2024, 11:30:14 AM
alexey14, you have made 3 posts in a row, posting multiple times in a row goes against the forum rules. Back to the topic, i think you should lock it now as it is turning very ugly, a lot of users do not believe the story you have posted, and truly it sounds like a made-up story, while you are standing your ground that it is true, so instead of all the tantrums, just lock it, except you're enjoying it, so up to you.
I dont care about them, the thing is they are here to promote their signature but nothing else, They need money bcz their family is hungeryMy man, you are the one who has opened a thread/discussion in this section of the forum about a possible very serious security thread in one of the most widespread hardware wallet brands in the world, you cannot just pretend there will not be skeptical people if you have not had posted/shared evidence with us from the beginning. So you should a a little bit of a thicker skin and learn how to take valid skepticism from people on the internet.
By the way, you complain about how you are being called by one member of this forum who has a good reputation, and yet to sink to the level of insulting him and his family for alledged poverty, which is wrong. Nobody chooses to be poor.
If you have further evidence this will be news which will be featured all around internet and you will get your fifteen minutes of fame, otherwise nothing will go beyond speculation. You choose.
September 06, 2024, 10:23:44 AM
alexey14, you have made 3 posts in a row, posting multiple times in a row goes against the forum rules. Back to the topic, i think you should lock it now as it is turning very ugly, a lot of users do not believe the story you have posted, and truly it sounds like a made-up story, while you are standing your ground that it is true, so instead of all the tantrums, just lock it, except you're enjoying it, so up to you.
I dont care about them, the thing is they are here to promote their signature but nothing else, They need money bcz their family is hungery September 06, 2024, 10:04:20 AM
alexey14, you have made 3 posts in a row, posting multiple times in a row goes against the forum rules. Back to the topic, i think you should lock it now as it is turning very ugly, a lot of users do not believe the story you have posted, and truly it sounds like a made-up story, while you are standing your ground that it is true, so instead of all the tantrums, just lock it, except you're enjoying it, so up to you.
September 06, 2024, 07:16:25 AM
I will blcok, ignore anyone who talk about about if im a thief or not...
You are a thief.He is not a thief, the coins never existed except in his fantasy.
Come on all of you should know better then to keep feeding the troll and his BS.
I mean it is fun and all to watch the stream of BS that comes from him but it's getting old at this point.
...I can go to Airport Auctions where I can bid for some lost luggage. If I win one and find a laptop containing a Bitcoin Wallet with Funds in it and other personal information of the victim, it does NOT make it alright for me to steal it or use their information with out their consent....
That is kind of a murky area at the moment:
Most places have interesting laws about that. But for the most part, yes if you buy something with data on (drive) or in it (say a file cabinet) then that data and any value from it is yours. Barring copyright and stuff like that.
Kind of like if you buy a safe at a garage sale and it's filled with cash, that cash is yours. But, obviously things like that will vary based on local laws.
Kind of like if you buy a safe at a garage sale and it's filled with cash, that cash is yours. But, obviously things like that will vary based on local laws.
Is it right to take their BTC or their PII? No, not really but....
Is it legal? Big unknown at the moment. Using PII to do things is 100% illegal. But; if you have a BTC wallet on a laptop that obviously has no security since you (the buyer) got into it after you bought it at an auction and then having no password on their wallet to send funds. At that point is it any different then if they had an envelope of cash in their bag?
This is not the post / place to be discussing it. But it is an interesting question as to where everyone draws the line.
-Dave
Gtfo
You are biggest spammer here who troll here for only a few cent due to your scam signature
By the way, if ur family is poor go spam somwhere else to promote ur scam profile.
A thief wouldn’t openly create a topic on the internet about something they supposedly stole.
I quote:My only complaint is why there wasn't 3 million $ in the wallet. Because honestly, if there had been 3M $ in the wallet, I wouldn't be here sharing these stories with you, and you would never have heard about them.
Your regret is that you weren't in a position to steal big amounts of money and disappear with it. I repeat: you are not to be trusted as you have explained you have no problem stealing from others. Legally, I have every right to access the funds on my own wallet.
I legally purchased the wallet, generated the seed, and found funds on it. That’s not theft, it’s basic ownership.
There is no bitcoin in your sister's Ledger. There is no bitcoin in any Ledger. There is no bitcoin in any other hardware, software, or any other type of wallet. All coins are only digital representations on the blockchain. Wallets contain public and private keys. The lie that you told us here is that your sister generated a seed from scratch and noticed certain assets in her portfolio after which the two of you supposedly stole said assets. Despite the Ledger being your sister's (if she in fact owns one), the keys that allow you to spend those coins aren't yours. Hence, the crypto isn't yours. Someone else generated those addresses and funded them. It's their money and their crypto. You are a halfwit for not understanding the difference. Your sister would have only found them by a miracle if the story was true. I legally purchased the wallet, generated the seed, and found funds on it. That’s not theft, it’s basic ownership.
I will blcok, ignore anyone who talk about about if im a thief or not...
You are a thief.Thief is your mother who sawllowed you from toilet.
Second, i dont need to explain everything for a fuktarded like u.
1 cent or 1 billion, its all about private ley that i got and thats not ur bussiness.
Dear mods, if this person allowed to use rude words, I would do the same ok??
I made so much in crypto , and thats not your business even.
Nothing says I am so rich, you have no idea than when you claim that you have stolen $160 worth of crypto that belongs to someone else. In this case, at least, you are only a thief in your dreams. In real life, you are probably also a low-life scum and thief.I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x
Blockchain data is free and public. Feel free to post the TXIDs from satoshi if you want. No one cares.My experience with finding funds in a wallet I legally purchased does not make me a thief.
That's correct because the story is made up and you are lying. But in a similar highly unlikely case where someone were to find a seed collection, those coins don't belong to you and its immoral to take them. Not that a filthy little rat like you would know the difference. September 06, 2024, 07:08:43 AM
I will blcok, ignore anyone who talk about about if im a thief or not...
You are a thief.He is not a thief, the coins never existed except in his fantasy.
Come on all of you should know better then to keep feeding the troll and his BS.
I mean it is fun and all to watch the stream of BS that comes from him but it's getting old at this point.
...I can go to Airport Auctions where I can bid for some lost luggage. If I win one and find a laptop containing a Bitcoin Wallet with Funds in it and other personal information of the victim, it does NOT make it alright for me to steal it or use their information with out their consent....
That is kind of a murky area at the moment:
Most places have interesting laws about that. But for the most part, yes if you buy something with data on (drive) or in it (say a file cabinet) then that data and any value from it is yours. Barring copyright and stuff like that.
Kind of like if you buy a safe at a garage sale and it's filled with cash, that cash is yours. But, obviously things like that will vary based on local laws.
Kind of like if you buy a safe at a garage sale and it's filled with cash, that cash is yours. But, obviously things like that will vary based on local laws.
Is it right to take their BTC or their PII? No, not really but....
Is it legal? Big unknown at the moment. Using PII to do things is 100% illegal. But; if you have a BTC wallet on a laptop that obviously has no security since you (the buyer) got into it after you bought it at an auction and then having no password on their wallet to send funds. At that point is it any different then if they had an envelope of cash in their bag?
This is not the post / place to be discussing it. But it is an interesting question as to where everyone draws the line.
-Dave
September 06, 2024, 06:17:23 AM
A thief wouldn’t openly create a topic on the internet about something they supposedly stole.
I quote:My only complaint is why there wasn't 3 million $ in the wallet. Because honestly, if there had been 3M $ in the wallet, I wouldn't be here sharing these stories with you, and you would never have heard about them.
Your regret is that you weren't in a position to steal big amounts of money and disappear with it. I repeat: you are not to be trusted as you have explained you have no problem stealing from others. Legally, I have every right to access the funds on my own wallet.
I legally purchased the wallet, generated the seed, and found funds on it. That’s not theft, it’s basic ownership.
There is no bitcoin in your sister's Ledger. There is no bitcoin in any Ledger. There is no bitcoin in any other hardware, software, or any other type of wallet. All coins are only digital representations on the blockchain. Wallets contain public and private keys. The lie that you told us here is that your sister generated a seed from scratch and noticed certain assets in her portfolio after which the two of you supposedly stole said assets. Despite the Ledger being your sister's (if she in fact owns one), the keys that allow you to spend those coins aren't yours. Hence, the crypto isn't yours. Someone else generated those addresses and funded them. It's their money and their crypto. You are a halfwit for not understanding the difference. Your sister would have only found them by a miracle if the story was true. I legally purchased the wallet, generated the seed, and found funds on it. That’s not theft, it’s basic ownership.
I will blcok, ignore anyone who talk about about if im a thief or not...
You are a thief. 
September 05, 2024, 10:54:03 PM
-snip-
This device was purchased from an official reseller and had not been used by anyone else before. It came in a brand new, unopened box and was completely sealed.
In that case, do what I've recommended to contact Ledger and inform them of the situation and the mention the reseller where you purchased it.This device was purchased from an official reseller and had not been used by anyone else before. It came in a brand new, unopened box and was completely sealed.
Because it's not safe to use that device if it "randomly" generated a seed phrase that's been used by another user.
They might even replace that device since it should still be under warranty.
Users here in the forum wont have the means to help you since they'll need the actual device and specialized equipment to properly debug it.
September 05, 2024, 04:15:54 PM
I made so much in crypto , and thats not your business even.
Nothing says I am so rich, you have no idea than when you claim that you have stolen $160 worth of crypto that belongs to someone else. In this case, at least, you are only a thief in your dreams. In real life, you are probably also a low-life scum and thief.I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x
Blockchain data is free and public. Feel free to post the TXIDs from satoshi if you want. No one cares.My experience with finding funds in a wallet I legally purchased does not make me a thief.
That's correct because the story is made up and you are lying. But in a similar highly unlikely case where someone were to find a seed collection, those coins don't belong to you and its immoral to take them. Not that a filthy little rat like you would know the difference.Disagreeing is one thing, but resorting to insults and baseless accusations crosses the line.
A thief wouldn’t openly create a topic on the internet about something they supposedly stole.
this forum isn’t a court. Educate yourself before making any more baseless claims.
Legally, I have every right to access the funds on my own wallet. If you’re still stuck on this ridiculous idea that I’m a thief, I suggest you go talk to a lawyer and ask them about the legality of this situation
I legally purchased the wallet, generated the seed, and found funds on it. That’s not theft, it’s basic ownership.
get some legal advice so you don’t continue embarrassing yourself.
It’s clear you’re here to promote your scam link in your signature and distract from my thread.
I will blcok, ignore anyone who talk about about if im a thief or not, or it its legal or Ilegal, this thread is only about the subject and nothing else . You should go talk with a lawyer.
September 05, 2024, 07:43:43 AM
I made so much in crypto , and thats not your business even.
Nothing says I am so rich, you have no idea than when you claim that you have stolen $160 worth of crypto that belongs to someone else. In this case, at least, you are only a thief in your dreams. In real life, you are probably also a low-life scum and thief.I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x
Blockchain data is free and public. Feel free to post the TXIDs from satoshi if you want. No one cares.My experience with finding funds in a wallet I legally purchased does not make me a thief.
That's correct because the story is made up and you are lying. But in a similar highly unlikely case where someone were to find a seed collection, those coins don't belong to you and its immoral to take them. Not that a filthy little rat like you would know the difference. 
September 05, 2024, 05:46:49 AM
--snip--
I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x, And even share 24 seeds here since I dont use them as proof.
People here can believe me or not, up to you.
I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x, And even share 24 seeds here since I dont use them as proof.
People here can believe me or not, up to you.
FWIW, it could harm your sister's privacy. In addition, there's no way for us to verify whether her Ledger Nano S actually generate the 24 words.
September 05, 2024, 01:32:49 AM
It was a used seed phrase, as the probability of generating an seed phrase that contains some DOGE, let alone bitcoin which is 100x more popular, is pretty much non-existant.
I guess the previous owner forgot to wipe their device when they resold it on wherever you guys bought it from? No chance this is straight from the factory.
But I don't think the device is compromised though.
I guess the previous owner forgot to wipe their device when they resold it on wherever you guys bought it from? No chance this is straight from the factory.
But I don't think the device is compromised though.
September 04, 2024, 06:33:11 PM
My experience with finding funds in a wallet I legally purchased does not make me a thief. The wallet and seed phrases were acquired through legitimate means. If you have doubts, Instead of writing stupid things, direct your complaints to ledger.
This still does not make stealing the Money from that Wallet neither legal or moral. If you had a Wallet and somebody else purchased a Hardware Wallet and had the pretty much impossible luck to generate your Seed or somehow had your Seed in it anyway, would you be alright if suddenly your Money moved out?I can go to Airport Auctions where I can bid for some lost luggage. If I win one and find a laptop containing a Bitcoin Wallet with Funds in it and other personal information of the victim, it does NOT make it alright for me to steal it or use their information with out their consent.
'Lucky' or not to find it, it is immoral. Or, is it morally correct only because it is you who can take the opportunity and have a little bit more Money?
September 04, 2024, 02:40:18 PM
This device was purchased from an official reseller and had not been used by anyone else before. It came in a brand new, unopened box and was completely sealed.
If that's the case, then you are lucky. The possible thing that I think why your wallet has a balance may be because someone accidentally sent a BTC to that wallet.
Sample I sent BTC from my 1st BTC address to my 2nd BTC address but I didn't receive anything until I realized that I sent it to the address with an extra character or missing character it might be lost forever if no one controls that wallet or someone lucky generated a wallet with a balance similar to what happened to yours.
September 04, 2024, 11:52:24 AM
Can we stop feeding the Troll OP
Some other great things from him:
Agreed woth you.
BSV can hit 1000$ easily.
And so on, those are just a few highlights.
OP is just a troll looking for attention.
Ignore and move on.
Or feed the troll, up to you.
-Dave
Your comment suggests you're more interested inSome other great things from him:
Have a plan to sell some of my crypto, Now I can store with USDT, USDC, DAI, BUT There are serious question:
Both USDT and USDC can blacklist any address without any reason, So I dont think this is safe way to store 1 Million $ on them.
USDT is big nowdays So what If SEC Sue USDT? in that case maybe USDT lose Value.
DAI, I think DAI is not safe Can lose value 1 day.
So what is your suggestion?
.
Both USDT and USDC can blacklist any address without any reason, So I dont think this is safe way to store 1 Million $ on them.
USDT is big nowdays So what If SEC Sue USDT? in that case maybe USDT lose Value.
DAI, I think DAI is not safe Can lose value 1 day.
So what is your suggestion?
.
I MADE 18000 $ IN LAST 48 HOUR, WITH XRP. FUCK YEAH.
IS NANO X SAFE? HOW ABOUT PAPER WALLET?
IS NANO X SAFE? HOW ABOUT PAPER WALLET?
Agreed woth you.
BSV can hit 1000$ easily.
And so on, those are just a few highlights.
OP is just a troll looking for attention.
Ignore and move on.
Or feed the troll, up to you.
-Dave
Promoting your scam in your signature and trolling here.
So you have no right to tell me im trolling here, and I made so much in crypto , and thats not your business even.
I can post TXID of all doge transaction and purchase date of my sister new nano x, And even share 24 seeds here since I dont use them as proof.
People here can believe me or not, up to you.
Ledger has done many wrong things lately that they deserve to be criticized for, but I don't believe this story of yours. Such seed collisions are incredibly unlikely to the point of almost being impossible. If you told us that you were struck by lightning every day for a year and you are ok, then I would rather believe that than this story.
I could be wrong, but it seems like you are more of an attention-seeker than anything else. Well, you would have no problems being a thief judging by your posts here. I don't believe you and your sister found anything, but you did express a willingness to steal $3 million, let alone $160 if given the opportunity. Thieves and scammers shouldn't be trusted.
I am not sure what you think you will gain here, though. Little to none, I think.
My experience with finding funds in a wallet I legally purchased does not make me a thief. The wallet and seed phrases were acquired through legitimate means. If you have doubts, Instead of writing stupid things, direct your complaints to ledger. I could be wrong, but it seems like you are more of an attention-seeker than anything else. Well, you would have no problems being a thief judging by your posts here. I don't believe you and your sister found anything, but you did express a willingness to steal $3 million, let alone $160 if given the opportunity. Thieves and scammers shouldn't be trusted.
I am not sure what you think you will gain here, though. Little to none, I think.
September 04, 2024, 08:26:04 AM
Can we stop feeding the Troll OP
Some other great things from him:
Agreed woth you.
BSV can hit 1000$ easily.
And so on, those are just a few highlights.
OP is just a troll looking for attention.
Ignore and move on.
Or feed the troll, up to you.
-Dave
Some other great things from him:
Have a plan to sell some of my crypto, Now I can store with USDT, USDC, DAI, BUT There are serious question:
Both USDT and USDC can blacklist any address without any reason, So I dont think this is safe way to store 1 Million $ on them.
USDT is big nowdays So what If SEC Sue USDT? in that case maybe USDT lose Value.
DAI, I think DAI is not safe Can lose value 1 day.
So what is your suggestion?
.
Both USDT and USDC can blacklist any address without any reason, So I dont think this is safe way to store 1 Million $ on them.
USDT is big nowdays So what If SEC Sue USDT? in that case maybe USDT lose Value.
DAI, I think DAI is not safe Can lose value 1 day.
So what is your suggestion?
.
I MADE 18000 $ IN LAST 48 HOUR, WITH XRP. FUCK YEAH.
IS NANO X SAFE? HOW ABOUT PAPER WALLET?
IS NANO X SAFE? HOW ABOUT PAPER WALLET?
Agreed woth you.
BSV can hit 1000$ easily.
And so on, those are just a few highlights.
OP is just a troll looking for attention.
Ignore and move on.
Or feed the troll, up to you.
-Dave
September 04, 2024, 08:05:18 AM
Ledger has done many wrong things lately that they deserve to be criticized for, but I don't believe this story of yours. Such seed collisions are incredibly unlikely to the point of almost being impossible. If you told us that you were struck by lightning every day for a year and you are ok, then I would rather believe that than this story.
I could be wrong, but it seems like you are more of an attention-seeker than anything else. Well, you would have no problems being a thief judging by your posts here. I don't believe you and your sister found anything, but you did express a willingness to steal $3 million, let alone $160 if given the opportunity. Thieves and scammers shouldn't be trusted.
I am not sure what you think you will gain here, though. Little to none, I think.
I could be wrong, but it seems like you are more of an attention-seeker than anything else. Well, you would have no problems being a thief judging by your posts here. I don't believe you and your sister found anything, but you did express a willingness to steal $3 million, let alone $160 if given the opportunity. Thieves and scammers shouldn't be trusted.
I am not sure what you think you will gain here, though. Little to none, I think.
September 04, 2024, 06:21:09 AM
3 options:
1. someone is lying (to us or to OP)
2. the random generator is insecure
3. the Ledger was altered by someone
#1 is the most likely, #2 is the biggest problem, and #3 happens more often but usually to steal instead of donate.
1. someone is lying (to us or to OP)
2. the random generator is insecure
3. the Ledger was altered by someone
#1 is the most likely, #2 is the biggest problem, and #3 happens more often but usually to steal instead of donate.
September 04, 2024, 06:01:42 AM
That's impossible no one experienced this before with Ledger. Unless its already have a wallet own by the previous owner.
I'm wondering if she bought the ledger as 2nd hand-used and maybe she didn't generate a new seed phrase and the wallet already have generated wallet own by the previous owner. That's possible than just created a new wallet from the ledger and luckily found doge coin.
I'm wondering if she bought the ledger as 2nd hand-used and maybe she didn't generate a new seed phrase and the wallet already have generated wallet own by the previous owner. That's possible than just created a new wallet from the ledger and luckily found doge coin.
This device was purchased from an official reseller and had not been used by anyone else before. It came in a brand new, unopened box and was completely sealed.
160$ is not big money for me.
I was shocked, even if there were only 10 cents in my wallet.
My only complaint is why there wasn't 3 million $ in the wallet. Because honestly, if there had been 3M $ in the wallet, I wouldn't be here sharing these stories with you, and you would never have heard about them.
September 04, 2024, 12:54:23 AM
-snip- I have to ask the following. What is date of transaction which fed the mentioned address with those 1000 free dogecoins? Does this date coincide with the date when your sister created the new SEED for purchased Nano x or that trx is dated earlier/later?
He already provided those information in his reply containing updates: /index.php?topic=5507888.msg64483338#msg64483338Oh, thanks, I didn't pay attention to his update. Nevertheless, regarding this updated story, starting out from the assumption that someone else has the same address OP could probably transfer let's say 100 dogs to other address including OP_Return message into trx which is addressed to that supposedly existed user and see what will happen next.
Allegation in predetermined/faulty SEED generation is too serious to be leaved behind.
September 03, 2024, 04:59:49 AM
-snip- I have to ask the following. What is date of transaction which fed the mentioned address with those 1000 free dogecoins? Does this date coincide with the date when your sister created the new SEED for purchased Nano x or that trx is dated earlier/later?
He already provided those information in his reply containing updates: /index.php?topic=5507888.msg64483338#msg64483338Incredible story for me,
Considering the topics started by OP (list), there's actually a chance that this is just an "incredible story",Despite that, he had posted some genuine newbie questions regarding his own Ledger Nano, so there's also a chance that they just missed some details to come with those conclusions.
September 03, 2024, 04:06:03 AM
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Incredible story for me, however, (to clear up the air) I have to ask the following. What is date of transaction which fed the mentioned address with those 1000 free dogecoins? Does this date coincide with the date when your sister created the new SEED for purchased Nano x or that trx is dated earlier/later?
September 02, 2024, 08:22:10 AM
All this is just an interesting story and nothing more - given that the OP has a very vivid imagination, it wouldn't surprise me if he made it all up (for whatever reason).
In addition, when you find something that does not belong to you, it would be normal to try to find the owner, and not to seize something that is not yours and make a financial gain. When I say "find the owner" I don't mean literally find him, I would draw his attention by making one transaction to draw his attention to the fact that someone else has access to his seed, and then I would return everything to the original address.
In addition, when you find something that does not belong to you, it would be normal to try to find the owner, and not to seize something that is not yours and make a financial gain. When I say "find the owner" I don't mean literally find him, I would draw his attention by making one transaction to draw his attention to the fact that someone else has access to his seed, and then I would return everything to the original address.
September 02, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
Your have a third option:1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
If the device is proven authentic and the seed phrase is generated by the device,
Ledger Nano X in general or two particular Ledger Nano X devices' "True RNG" may be flawed.
I read their Whitepaper and they claim to be using "True Random Number Generator" which links to this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator
But since Ledger's hardware isn't "95% open-source" (as they call it), no one can check if their hardware RNG has something to check for malfunctioning or missing entropy sources that could lead to weak RNG.
In any case, it's recommended to contact LedgerHQ so they can investigate it since she shouldn't be using the unit itself, not just the seed phrase.
September 02, 2024, 04:41:53 AM
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
Both sounds unlikely, where 1st option is more than very unlikely. Anyway, since Ledger these days have poor reputation, you might want to do some research and then suggest your sister to buy better and more reputable hardware wallet.
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September 02, 2024, 03:21:38 AM
A news like this will spread faster than light. Do we have any information in any other channel except this topic from op?
That's impossible no one experienced this before with Ledger. Unless its already have a wallet own by the previous owner.
I'm wondering if she bought the ledger as 2nd hand-used and maybe she didn't generate a new seed phrase and the wallet already have generated wallet own by the previous owner. That's possible than just created a new wallet from the ledger and luckily found doge coin.
I'm wondering if she bought the ledger as 2nd hand-used and maybe she didn't generate a new seed phrase and the wallet already have generated wallet own by the previous owner. That's possible than just created a new wallet from the ledger and luckily found doge coin.
Update:
I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
Are you kidding me or something, I don't think that your sister bought this ledger waller new maybe she bought it from someone, because it clearly shows that the seed phrase is already in use and belongs to someone else.I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
It is better you abandon the wallet and buy a new wallet but not Ledger product this time because it has become a close source wallet and they are in charge of your seed phrase.
I know ledger isn't a recommended hardware wallet to use right now, but i still find this very hard to believe, where did your sister buy this hardware wallet from? I don't think she has bought this wallet from the manufactuerers and maybe this is why this has happened. Someone else has surely used that seed phrase before or is still using it, but how is it possible that your device generated such a seed phrase.
Update:
I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
You might get lucky to find other coins in other chains too. Something is not right to be honest. I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
Update:
I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
I found another coin in the 24 seed, 45$ worth of BabyDogee
So overally:
120$ worth of Doge
45$ Babydoge
I can see first transaction to the wallet made by August 2023.
Its clear someone have the same 24 seed.
I see Only 2 option now:
1. 24 seed generated completely Randomly and Both device got the same seed. But its very unlikely
2. Ledger use pre generated 24 seed and probably due to an error both device got the same 24 seed. This senraio is more likly to me.
But again I have no any evidence.
I do know that Ledger has some promotional offers where they give people money (like this for example)[1] but I doubt that's what happened here. It's not as simple as plugging your ledger and finding the money there.
Where did she buy the Ledger from? If she bought it from anywhere other than the official website's, then this could explain it.
And yes, she definitely shouldn't continue to use this seedphrase.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/nknfke/25_voucher_conditions/
Where did she buy the Ledger from? If she bought it from anywhere other than the official website's, then this could explain it.
And yes, she definitely shouldn't continue to use this seedphrase.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/nknfke/25_voucher_conditions/
Yes this is definitely different in the link you shared the voucher is usually emailed separately which is understandable, but here now we have the generated address immediately getting credited or should I say already generated, then my curiosity is that if this is true then ledger already have the seed phrase and addresses generated or simply when you generate this addresses or keys it simply send them the information. Yes I know they are closed source and the second part of sending them the seed phrase and address is possibly but is it also possible for them to have pre generated the seed phrase already?
As for OP it is clear that the seed and everything on that wallet isn’t yours alone so my advice is to everything related to ledger and move elsewhere for security of your funds
Hello everyone, My sister bought a new Ledger
Nano x and Today she opened it, She generated 24
seed using nano x for the first time, then she added
doge coin using ledger live,Then she noticed there
is already about 1000 free doge on that address,
how is it even possible?? By the way she sold all of
that doge, but I told her to not use that 24 seed. Can
anyone explain this???
I don't even know how to react to such statements without any evidence and doubts arise.Nano x and Today she opened it, She generated 24
seed using nano x for the first time, then she added
doge coin using ledger live,Then she noticed there
is already about 1000 free doge on that address,
how is it even possible?? By the way she sold all of
that doge, but I told her to not use that 24 seed. Can
anyone explain this???
If something like this takes place, that the seed-phrase generator built into the hardware wallet repeatedly produces the same seed-phrases, then this is a reason to seriously think about whether it is worth using wallets from the ledger.
What is the probability that User 1 can get exactly the same seed-phrase as User 2? Maybe alexey14's sister was very lucky and she got the seed-phrase from an error in in calculations? Have there been similar statements from ledger users (on other resources) before that the generated seed-phrase contained a non-empty balance?
alexey14's sister should also check other coins in the wallets for the probability of finding a balance. Although no, it's better if she doesn't do this, otherwise she'll appropriate everything again.
Not that he should not make use of the seeds phrase again only but he should also not make use of a close source wallet again. Ledger Nano wallets seed phrase are all generated and stored on a secure element that is completely close source.
But not only just that. Ledger Nano do not care about their customers privacy and they also luring their customers to store their seed phrase online.
But not only just that. Ledger Nano do not care about their customers privacy and they also luring their customers to store their seed phrase online.
I do know that Ledger has some promotional offers where they give people money (like this for example)[1] but I doubt that's what happened here. It's not as simple as plugging your ledger and finding the money there.
Where did she buy the Ledger from? If she bought it from anywhere other than the official website's, then this could explain it.
And yes, she definitely shouldn't continue to use this seedphrase.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/nknfke/25_voucher_conditions/
Where did she buy the Ledger from? If she bought it from anywhere other than the official website's, then this could explain it.
And yes, she definitely shouldn't continue to use this seedphrase.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/nknfke/25_voucher_conditions/
The only possible explanation to this situation is that someone already used the seed phrase previously and had some coins in it. The fact is it's almost unlikely to occur that two same seed phases are generated by different user. The entropy and range used in the script for seed phase generation makes it almost impossible for USER A and USER B to generate the same seed phrases infact the probability of that occurring is less than 1%.
Just like you have said , you should not make use of such address again since from the situation it's obvious that you are not the only one with the keys to that wallet.
Just like you have said , you should not make use of such address again since from the situation it's obvious that you are not the only one with the keys to that wallet.
Hello everyone, My sister bought a new Ledger
Nano x and Today she opened it, She generated 24
seed using nano x for the first time, then she added
doge coin using ledger live,Then she noticed there
is already about 1000 free doge on that address,
how is it even possible?? By the way she sold all of
that doge, but I told her to not use that 24 seed. Can
anyone explain this???
Nano x and Today she opened it, She generated 24
seed using nano x for the first time, then she added
doge coin using ledger live,Then she noticed there
is already about 1000 free doge on that address,
how is it even possible?? By the way she sold all of
that doge, but I told her to not use that 24 seed. Can
anyone explain this???
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