Topic: I got scammed on alibaba trying to buy Bitmain Antminer D3, Must Read! (Read 1769 times)
August 24, 2017, 04:04:32 AM
Sorry for your losses and thank you for notifying us here. Move on and be safe in the future.
August 23, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
Yes, I think my wishful thinking and the rush with which I wanted to get the miner got me down.
August 23, 2017, 05:43:47 AM
In this case the seller was a gold seller with 4 years trading, but the account was hacked and an unrelated
product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
Sorry but I really don't buy that. Scammers will do anything to decoy you and point you in the wrong direction. I've been scammed on Ebay ~15 years ago on the purchase on a laptop, it's all the same red flags all over the place.product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
If something looks to good to be true, it usually is. A D3 will make a multitude of the seller's offer, no way he will let go of the miner for that price -> scam sign 1.
I feel your pain, you've just had an expensive learning lesson...
August 23, 2017, 04:36:23 AM
In this case the seller was a gold seller with 4 years trading, but the account was hacked and an unrelated
product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
Sorry but I really don't buy that. Scammers will do anything to decoy you and point you in the wrong direction. I've been scammed on Ebay ~15 years ago on the purchase on a laptop, it's all the same red flags all over the place.product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
If something looks to good to be true, it usually is. A D3 will make a multitude of the seller's offer, no way he will let go of the miner for that price -> scam sign 1.
I feel your pain, you've just had an expensive learning lesson...
August 23, 2017, 02:15:26 AM
I would not pay for anything on Alibaba with bitcoins
Yes, I learned my lesson now.
Always look to see if they are a Gold seller too and how many years they've been selling on the site.
In this case the seller was a gold seller with 4 years trading, but the account was hacked and an unrelated
product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
Yes, I learned my lesson now.
Always look to see if they are a Gold seller too and how many years they've been selling on the site.
In this case the seller was a gold seller with 4 years trading, but the account was hacked and an unrelated
product was added to their products. The hacker was logged into the account and communicating with potential
buyers.
August 23, 2017, 02:08:10 AM
I would not pay for anything on Alibaba with bitcoins. They accept credit cards and some sellers on there even accept Paypal. Always look to see if they are a Gold seller too and how many years they've been selling on the site.
August 22, 2017, 05:09:51 PM
Why would you pay with bitcoin on aliexpress?
It was www.alibaba.com not aliexpress
Why would you pay with bitcoin on alibaba without escrow or protection of any sort as you did not use valid Alibaba payment methods?
I see what you mean, but it was in the heat of the moment. I should have left the conversation when he said he does not accept paypal, creditcard.
But in this case it was not the seller that fooled me, someone hacked his account, posted a product, sold it and then removed the product.
It's essentially the same thing besides a few features anyways. This kind of scam happens even on sites like eBay where people post a cheap item or rare item and delist it as soon as it sells. All the methods he offered would have no way of reversing, big red flag. It was www.alibaba.com not aliexpress
Why would you pay with bitcoin on alibaba without escrow or protection of any sort as you did not use valid Alibaba payment methods?
I see what you mean, but it was in the heat of the moment. I should have left the conversation when he said he does not accept paypal, creditcard.
But in this case it was not the seller that fooled me, someone hacked his account, posted a product, sold it and then removed the product.
August 22, 2017, 04:08:56 PM
Why would you pay with bitcoin on aliexpress?
It was www.alibaba.com not aliexpress
Why would you pay with bitcoin on alibaba without escrow or protection of any sort as you did not use valid Alibaba payment methods?
I see what you mean, but it was in the heat of the moment. I should have left the conversation when he said he does not accept paypal, creditcard.
But in this case it was not the seller that fooled me, someone hacked his account, posted a product, sold it and then removed the product.
It was www.alibaba.com not aliexpress
Why would you pay with bitcoin on alibaba without escrow or protection of any sort as you did not use valid Alibaba payment methods?
I see what you mean, but it was in the heat of the moment. I should have left the conversation when he said he does not accept paypal, creditcard.
But in this case it was not the seller that fooled me, someone hacked his account, posted a product, sold it and then removed the product.
August 22, 2017, 03:53:32 PM
Why would you pay with bitcoin on aliexpress without escrow or protection of any sort as you did not use valid Alibaba payment methods? No matter how much trust the seller may have they can just take the money and you can't really do anything about it.
Is it that difficult to transfer BTC to PayPal or bank transfer?
Is it that difficult to transfer BTC to PayPal or bank transfer?
August 22, 2017, 02:13:22 PM
Hi All,
I got scammed on www.alibaba.com trying to buy a Bitmain Antminer D3. The reason I am posting this is to alert everyone of the amount of sophisticaton
these scammers use and hopefully by this experience you can try to avoid this situation. Also I would to ask you to check my bitcoin wallet address 17zBkbJm6gpz5rkzaB7eTBi3oYmkTMkSzi for verification and trace the bitcoins to his first address and the other addresses he/they forwarded the funds.
Scammers wallet address: 17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
The process:
Date (08/22/2017)
I browsed through available products on www.alibaba.com and found products posts like "Bitmain Antminer D3 (Factory Direct)" and I though these maybe have been used for cloudmining by Genesis and others.
Finally I found one product posting that looked the guy knew what he is talking about the description was spot on no mistakes, misspellings, it looked reliable.
I contacted the seller and he was asking the price of $2500 USD with Western Union, MoneyGram, Bitcoin/Etherum/LiteCoin. The seller seemed authentic with (4 years) Gold Member Status. I asked him if I could pay with Visa card but he said no and repeated the payment methods mentioned above.
Being an honest person myself I tend to trust people the same way I think they should trust me, unless I really make an effort and try to have the though guy hat on. So I accepted the deal and purchased the amount in Bitcoin which was transferred to my Blockchain wallet a few hours later.
I re-established the contact with the seller and he was still online, I transferred the bitcoin amount of 0.621025 to him hoping to get my Antminer D3 and mine some Dash for real. During the conversation he was always answering quickly but as soon as I transferred the amount his replies became more reluctant and finally he stopped replying.
Moments later the product page was removed so I could not find the product at the sellers mini site.
Date (08/22/2017)
I tried to contact the seller through alibaba but he was still unresponsive so I opened a dispute of type offline transaction and attached the conversation history and product link, proof of payment as attachements.
After sometime of trying through google, linkedin and skype I managed to get hold of the seller through his skype id and he told me that his account has been hacked and he has updated the dispute notifying www.alibaba.com of the this fact.
Proof of transaction
http://imgur.com/a/stAgZ
I would like to continue mining some coins, if you can feel free to donate a small amount to me so I can recover some of my losses from this awful, stupid experience. My new address from same wallet is:1NYWQz63FheTqis2Eg2S8CC4kRbXGkF2La.
Many Thanks,
Kamasutra
Transcript: Communication between me (buyer and seller on www.alibaba.com)
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:24:52)
hi
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:25:19)
I am interested in orderin 1 unit, when can i get it?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:25:57)
WHERE ARE YOU SHIPPING TO ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:26:03)
somewhere in europe
Seller(2017-08-21 09:26:21)
Delivery takes just 3-4 days to your home doorstep through FedEx,DHL,UPS shipping courier services.
Seller(2017-08-21 09:26:38)
Antminer D3 COST...$2,500 each unit including shipment to your home address
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:27:14)
sounds good, but is it already available, cause people mentioned 1 st batch in september...`?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:27:35)
We are now shipping
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:27:57)
ok
Seller(2017-08-21 09:28:04)
Ship today , by THURSDAY YOU RECEIVE
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:28:45)
are you shipping from eu to me ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:30:18)
I would like to buy one, how do I pay? And can I trust you
Seller(2017-08-21 09:30:33)
We accept payment through WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM transfer, BITCOIN, ETHEREUM & LITECOIN. Which one would you prefer ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:35:49)
you there?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:36:14)
is it possible with visa?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:36:32)
We accept payment through WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM transfer, BITCOIN, ETHEREUM & LITECOIN.
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:37:32)
I think bitcoin in that case, is this transaction insured by alibaba, cause someone could take my bitcoin and I receive nothing
Seller(2017-08-21 09:40:56)
This is our 4yrs in service , i think our reputation is more important to us
Seller(2017-08-21 09:41:10)
it is our responsibily to deliver what you paid for
Seller(2017-08-21 09:41:24)
And i also think that is why we are here to do business globally
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:42:07)
Ok, please send me a quote for Antminer D3, I will order today, with receipt proof of payment
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:42:37)
paying with bitcoin
Seller(2017-08-21 09:43:45)
To order, your valid deliver address is required to process your order. Full Name: Full Address: City: State: Zipcode: Tel: E-mail: Unit: Country:
Seller(2017-08-21 09:44:39)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:45:43)
Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:45:59)
Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Seller(2017-08-21 09:46:30)
tel number :
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:48:32)
Tel: +xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Seller(2017-08-21 09:48:48)
OK
Seller(2017-08-21 09:49:07)
17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
Seller(2017-08-21 09:49:09)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:51:10)
Ok, I am just getting some bitcoin will let you know when I have transferred
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:26)
OK
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:37)
Shipping notification , SMS or E-mail
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:45)
which one would you prefer ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:01:55)
shipping notification, sms please
Seller(2017-08-21 10:05:07)
OK..DONE WITH THE PAYMENT ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:09:39)
Have now bought bitcoins, I am waiting to receive the bitcoins
Seller(2017-08-21 10:11:56)
OK.
Seller(2017-08-21 10:27:34)
Done ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:30:25)
Just spoke to xxxxxxx, It will take up to 1 hour to receive my bitcoin, guess we have to wait
Seller(2017-08-21 10:30:56)
ok, no problem then.
Seller(2017-08-21 11:41:26)
Ready ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:18)
Just checked, she said my bitcoin purchase is confirmed should receive shortly
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:34)
I was wondering, does it include PUS
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:36)
PSU
Seller(2017-08-21 11:46:50)
yes of course
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:57)
ok, good
Seller(2017-08-21 12:25:52)
ready ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 12:30:40)
nope, still waiting
Buyer(2017-08-21 13:01:54)
I will be back in 2 hours, hopefully I get them by then
Seller(2017-08-21 13:02:43)
ok..
Seller(2017-08-21 14:46:54)
DONE ??
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:48:56)
I just got back, will contact them now
Seller(2017-08-21 14:49:17)
You have not receive it yet ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:53:54)
these guys are slow, can't belive this (https://xxxxxx.com/)
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:54:52)
if u trust me, you can ship it I will transfer btc to you today or tomorrow, I am honest
Seller(2017-08-21 14:55:33)
I have no problem about that but my MANAGER
Seller(2017-08-21 14:55:50)
What cause the delay from the seller of BTC ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:58:41)
she says, there liquidating partner has set status "ongoing" and she is waiting for them to contact back
Seller(2017-08-21 15:00:40)
ok.
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:45:29)
ok, I got the bitcoins
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:04)
ok..
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:45)
17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:48)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:48:45)
I have sent you, please check
Seller(2017-08-21 15:49:19)
ok
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:57:15)
did you get?
Seller(2017-08-21 15:57:52)
yes just now
Seller(2017-08-21 15:58:12)
i will inform you with the shipping information
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:58:27)
ok, tracking number would be nice
Buyer(2017-08-21 17:34:16)
hi
Buyer(2017-08-21 17:34:42)
can I get a receipt, proof of purchase
Buyer(2017-08-22 08:38:41)
good day
Buyer(2017-08-22 09:05:49)
are you there?
Buyer(2017-08-22 09:34:13)
hi
I got scammed on www.alibaba.com trying to buy a Bitmain Antminer D3. The reason I am posting this is to alert everyone of the amount of sophisticaton
these scammers use and hopefully by this experience you can try to avoid this situation. Also I would to ask you to check my bitcoin wallet address 17zBkbJm6gpz5rkzaB7eTBi3oYmkTMkSzi for verification and trace the bitcoins to his first address and the other addresses he/they forwarded the funds.
Scammers wallet address: 17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
The process:
Date (08/22/2017)
I browsed through available products on www.alibaba.com and found products posts like "Bitmain Antminer D3 (Factory Direct)" and I though these maybe have been used for cloudmining by Genesis and others.
Finally I found one product posting that looked the guy knew what he is talking about the description was spot on no mistakes, misspellings, it looked reliable.
I contacted the seller and he was asking the price of $2500 USD with Western Union, MoneyGram, Bitcoin/Etherum/LiteCoin. The seller seemed authentic with (4 years) Gold Member Status. I asked him if I could pay with Visa card but he said no and repeated the payment methods mentioned above.
Being an honest person myself I tend to trust people the same way I think they should trust me, unless I really make an effort and try to have the though guy hat on. So I accepted the deal and purchased the amount in Bitcoin which was transferred to my Blockchain wallet a few hours later.
I re-established the contact with the seller and he was still online, I transferred the bitcoin amount of 0.621025 to him hoping to get my Antminer D3 and mine some Dash for real. During the conversation he was always answering quickly but as soon as I transferred the amount his replies became more reluctant and finally he stopped replying.
Moments later the product page was removed so I could not find the product at the sellers mini site.
Date (08/22/2017)
I tried to contact the seller through alibaba but he was still unresponsive so I opened a dispute of type offline transaction and attached the conversation history and product link, proof of payment as attachements.
After sometime of trying through google, linkedin and skype I managed to get hold of the seller through his skype id and he told me that his account has been hacked and he has updated the dispute notifying www.alibaba.com of the this fact.
Proof of transaction
http://imgur.com/a/stAgZ
I would like to continue mining some coins, if you can feel free to donate a small amount to me so I can recover some of my losses from this awful, stupid experience. My new address from same wallet is:1NYWQz63FheTqis2Eg2S8CC4kRbXGkF2La.
Many Thanks,
Kamasutra
Transcript: Communication between me (buyer and seller on www.alibaba.com)
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:24:52)
hi
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:25:19)
I am interested in orderin 1 unit, when can i get it?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:25:57)
WHERE ARE YOU SHIPPING TO ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:26:03)
somewhere in europe
Seller(2017-08-21 09:26:21)
Delivery takes just 3-4 days to your home doorstep through FedEx,DHL,UPS shipping courier services.
Seller(2017-08-21 09:26:38)
Antminer D3 COST...$2,500 each unit including shipment to your home address
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:27:14)
sounds good, but is it already available, cause people mentioned 1 st batch in september...`?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:27:35)
We are now shipping
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:27:57)
ok
Seller(2017-08-21 09:28:04)
Ship today , by THURSDAY YOU RECEIVE
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:28:45)
are you shipping from eu to me ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:30:18)
I would like to buy one, how do I pay? And can I trust you
Seller(2017-08-21 09:30:33)
We accept payment through WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM transfer, BITCOIN, ETHEREUM & LITECOIN. Which one would you prefer ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:35:49)
you there?
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:36:14)
is it possible with visa?
Seller(2017-08-21 09:36:32)
We accept payment through WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM transfer, BITCOIN, ETHEREUM & LITECOIN.
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:37:32)
I think bitcoin in that case, is this transaction insured by alibaba, cause someone could take my bitcoin and I receive nothing
Seller(2017-08-21 09:40:56)
This is our 4yrs in service , i think our reputation is more important to us
Seller(2017-08-21 09:41:10)
it is our responsibily to deliver what you paid for
Seller(2017-08-21 09:41:24)
And i also think that is why we are here to do business globally
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:42:07)
Ok, please send me a quote for Antminer D3, I will order today, with receipt proof of payment
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:42:37)
paying with bitcoin
Seller(2017-08-21 09:43:45)
To order, your valid deliver address is required to process your order. Full Name: Full Address: City: State: Zipcode: Tel: E-mail: Unit: Country:
Seller(2017-08-21 09:44:39)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:45:43)
Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:45:59)
Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Seller(2017-08-21 09:46:30)
tel number :
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:48:32)
Tel: +xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Seller(2017-08-21 09:48:48)
OK
Seller(2017-08-21 09:49:07)
17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
Seller(2017-08-21 09:49:09)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 09:51:10)
Ok, I am just getting some bitcoin will let you know when I have transferred
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:26)
OK
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:37)
Shipping notification , SMS or E-mail
Seller(2017-08-21 09:53:45)
which one would you prefer ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:01:55)
shipping notification, sms please
Seller(2017-08-21 10:05:07)
OK..DONE WITH THE PAYMENT ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:09:39)
Have now bought bitcoins, I am waiting to receive the bitcoins
Seller(2017-08-21 10:11:56)
OK.
Seller(2017-08-21 10:27:34)
Done ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 10:30:25)
Just spoke to xxxxxxx, It will take up to 1 hour to receive my bitcoin, guess we have to wait
Seller(2017-08-21 10:30:56)
ok, no problem then.
Seller(2017-08-21 11:41:26)
Ready ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:18)
Just checked, she said my bitcoin purchase is confirmed should receive shortly
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:34)
I was wondering, does it include PUS
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:36)
PSU
Seller(2017-08-21 11:46:50)
yes of course
Buyer(2017-08-21 11:46:57)
ok, good
Seller(2017-08-21 12:25:52)
ready ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 12:30:40)
nope, still waiting
Buyer(2017-08-21 13:01:54)
I will be back in 2 hours, hopefully I get them by then
Seller(2017-08-21 13:02:43)
ok..
Seller(2017-08-21 14:46:54)
DONE ??
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:48:56)
I just got back, will contact them now
Seller(2017-08-21 14:49:17)
You have not receive it yet ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:53:54)
these guys are slow, can't belive this (https://xxxxxx.com/)
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:54:52)
if u trust me, you can ship it I will transfer btc to you today or tomorrow, I am honest
Seller(2017-08-21 14:55:33)
I have no problem about that but my MANAGER
Seller(2017-08-21 14:55:50)
What cause the delay from the seller of BTC ?
Buyer(2017-08-21 14:58:41)
she says, there liquidating partner has set status "ongoing" and she is waiting for them to contact back
Seller(2017-08-21 15:00:40)
ok.
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:45:29)
ok, I got the bitcoins
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:04)
ok..
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:45)
17NYyaoMBQrgsUHqZdTuFGe2nvMF8nPCn5
Seller(2017-08-21 15:46:48)
0.621025 BTC
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:48:45)
I have sent you, please check
Seller(2017-08-21 15:49:19)
ok
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:57:15)
did you get?
Seller(2017-08-21 15:57:52)
yes just now
Seller(2017-08-21 15:58:12)
i will inform you with the shipping information
Buyer(2017-08-21 15:58:27)
ok, tracking number would be nice
Buyer(2017-08-21 17:34:16)
hi
Buyer(2017-08-21 17:34:42)
can I get a receipt, proof of purchase
Buyer(2017-08-22 08:38:41)
good day
Buyer(2017-08-22 09:05:49)
are you there?
Buyer(2017-08-22 09:34:13)
hi
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