Topic: I have $150,000 US dollars and my target is a 10x gain. Stop me going all in now (Read 814 times)

Well they call it 'stop loss' for a reason. You also have the word 'margin' which means IDIOT or MORON in the security's world.

Let's your profits rise, and kill your losses early. Automated loss protection is a good idea, margin is never a good idea, unless your a get rich quick moron.

The greatest losses in human history on the stock-exchange are all tied to 'margin' where the house sells you out at the 1/2 loss without even the courtesy of a phone call. Great depression 10x margin was common 10% market decline, ppl jumped out of windows.

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Had you 'invested' doge or shiba back in early april you would have gotten your 10x, bitcoin would have to go $500k to get 10x out of that bitch, the capitalization, would have to go to $15T USD, about the same size as USA economy. Why in hell does irrationality dominate btc? Had u 'invested' in btc in Early april, today you would see a 25% loss, enjoy the ride to hell.

'cash is trash' to quote dalio; nobody on earth knows where to put his cash these days, best is to diversify,

anybody who think they can get 10x is a 100% moron, you need to study history, sure if you dabble in 100 things, u might have one 'ten bagger', but its what they call a tail on the bell-curve, smart people know they're lucky to get 5% risk-free, that is doubling every 12 years, 2x; so you get your 10x at about 24-36 years. 2x,4x,8x,16x

In crypto, 90% of all who play, lose 100% of their stake the first 90 days, FACT

This site is largely paid influencers, and old-timers who just enjoy the ride. Crypto is a hobby for most, hell it can go down one year 90% and then back up 10x; Of course right now we're at a high, so this is  a terrible price point to jump in, biggest problem is most people can't be patient

"A fool and his money are soon departed" the truest words in human finance.

If it were easy to get rich, everybody would be rich ( they're not ), most people who come into money lose it the first few years they obtain it, guys that don't spend money, are the ones who accumulate. Buy say 90% of your cash in BRK.A, and take 10% and buy stuff like doge, shiba, & ilk its the penny alt-coins that go up 10x in crypto; learn something, if you still like the game then stick around, if you lose your $10k the first 90 days like 99%, then quit while your ahead.

What you have mentioned here are basic investment strategy as no one invest everything they have and they hold the reserve to invest when the market goes down especially when you are investment when the market is high. Most of the investors in the cryptocurrency market follow the buy and hold method as it is less risky and less stressful especially because of the high volatility.

The other major thing you need to follow is never use stop loss with a huge margin and the prime example was two days ago when the market had a good correction and anyone used the stop loss function might have liquidated their asset and then all of a sudden the market recovered and you might miss investing in it again.

Market movements are commonplace when the movement has been too long to be positive, because as we know that the price of bitcoin itself is almost 5 times higher than last year.

Of course the correction value will also occur and this is a natural thing, I think this is the right time to look for a moment to buy on dips in bitcoin and altcoins.

I hope you had not invested all $150,000  on April 10 as that was not the best time to invest when the whole market was up. If you have still have the money, today is the perfect day to take some entries in bitcoin and altcoins as all the market is in a big crash. Its an golden opportunity to buy the dip. You will not get such days in crypto where every coin is in 20% dip.

It is difficult to predict the future bitcoin price because no one knows what the crypto market will face. Optimists say that bitcoin may reach the multi-million dollar price point, but some say it will return to zero.
I think you should give your own judgment instead of coming up here and asking for everyone's opinion.

 After rumors of the US treasury charging several financial institutions for money laundering using cryptocurrency, crypto market has crashed. This is the best time to enter the market for those who didn't bought below $50k.
The news is not confirmed or denied yet and if it comes out to be true, expect further price fall.

I suggest you try allocating your funds in different time to invest rather than doing a 1 full shot and investing all your capital, if you do this and succeed you will most likely to get a grasp on the market rather than aiming blindly I know there's a lot of prediction and forecasts on bitcoin that flies around but they're hard to evaluate since their different views do not collaborate with each other.

This is to decrease your loss if ever and to increase your profit in the future as long as you started having portfolio if ever wanted to trade or if you want to full invest in bitcoin your past investment experience will definitely help. 10x profit is not that impossible since your capital is high so its better to take it slow.

1. If you're ready to hold for up to 10 years, then I believe you can easily get 10x returns for your capital. Unfortunately most people are entering with that much plan but when they are seeing 2x or 4x growth, they book profits and exit by not believing in to the actual potential of bitcoins.

2. We are the mid of one strong bull run. You may go all-in at once or DCA in next 2 or 3 months. But, entering slowly up to 6 months may lead you to lose most opportunities.

3. Honestly I will not do that. I believe $150k must be already a big money for anyone to risk.

4. Personally I like to suggest you not to go for altcoins. Investing with all 100% of your capital will not disappoint you. If you still hesitate and too conscious about the diversification then go for 90% in bitcoins and 10% in altcoins.

If you really intend to invest in long-term, my advice is to buy Bitcoin right now and don't care about what price you buy Bitcoin. Because if you
really intend to long-term, buying Bitcoin at any price I am sure it will still be profitable, learn from the movement of Bitcoin for 11 years the price of
Bitcoin continues to increase. Of course, it should be safe to buy Bitcoin at the current price and the target of 10x can be achieved, if you are able
to hold for at least 10 years, If you are patient enough to wait that long, do so before you change your mind. And your capital is $ 150k, you should
buy all in Bitcoin, because for the long term I won't buy altcoins. Which for me altcoins are only good for short term investments.

Well, it looks like the experts' predictions are excellent. I do not see this data citation. If accepted for a prediction, I would initiate a deposit of $ 120k for December this year.

That is the truth. His funding is 10 times that of mine. Lol,  Having a large hedge fund or fund means increased confidence. Not to mention the level of return, but it would be great to experience the investment in this ecosystem.

Congratulations!  You already have a plan to launch.
Great opportunity has arrived.  Bitcoin has a great time to buy right now.  I can give you opinion but discourage it if you are not really confident.  Place bitcoin 60%, 20 for ETH and 20% for BNB.  These are the top coins.  It will give you the confidence to get started.  100% into Bitcoin is not a "good" idea in the crypto business.  This is not real estate.

That might could work for sometime if you just hold bitcoin for 10years straight just like you truthfully told us I think that might earn some decent money and maybe giving you lots of funds in the future. Having 150,000 to invest in bitcoin is quite big if you ask me but not right now. From my perspective now's not the good time buy. But if you could just wait for the price to went down decently then buy a fair amount of it then hold patiently.

I think you have to persevere! Will see price forecasts:

Forecasts of BTC to USD for January 2025.
Initially, the price is $ 147,412. Maximum price $ 182,968, minimum price $ 147,412. Monthly average of $ 162,198. Bitcoin price forecast at month end $ 170,998, January up 16.0%.

Bitcoin price forecast for February 2025.
The initial price is $ 170,998. Maximum price is 20,076 USD, minimum price is 170,998 USD. Monthly average $ 183,232. Bitcoin price forecast at month-end $ 188,856, up from 10.4% for February.

BTC to USD forecasts for March 2025.
At the beginning, the price is $ 188,856. Maximum price $ 234,408, minimum price $ 188,856. Monthly average $ 207,798. Bitcoin price forecast at the end of the month $ 219,073, change for March 16.0%.

Bitcoin price forecast for April 2025.
At the beginning, the price is $ 219,073. Maximum price $ 271,914, minimum price $ 219,073. Monthly average of $ 241,046. Bitcoin price forecast at month end $ 254,125, up from 16.0% for April

Forecasts of BTC to USD for May 2025.
The initial price is $ 254,125. Maximum price $ 254,125, minimum price $ 214,990. Monthly average of $ 238,603. Bitcoin price forecast at the end of the month $ 231,172, change in May -9.0%.

Local investment experts will advise you to invest in top 10 cryptocurrencies. But I think this is extremely wrong. You need to look for the most promising projects and invest in them, rather than follow public opinion and act like everyone else. Moreover, it will not be possible to make 10x on cryptocurrencies from the top 10 list in the near future, since they are growing very slowly in price and there is no such idea behind them that would allow you to multiply your investments in such an amount.

Can't exactly tell since crypto is still unpredictable so there are a lot of things that could happen within those 10 years. However, if Bitcoin would perform well within that timeframe then I could say that it is more than enough. 5x increase is possible in fact it could be even more than that.
Doesn't matter that much since you will hold it out for too long but it is recommended if you will buy at a cheap price to maximize your profit. Watch the market if there will be any dips and then that is the perfect time to buy.
If you can afford to lose all of them then no one will stop you however, you must face the consequences because crypto is still risky after all even if you investing in Bitcoin. Personally, I would not get that far so I wouldn't recommend it for you to place it all.
Yeah sounds good since you have a huge capital diversifying it would be a good option to mitigate the risk, however, you must consider the altcoins you are going to choose, as much as possible get those coins top listed ones. I think the 60:40 or 70:30 ratio will be enough and the large portion must be in Bitcoin of course.

The amount of US $ 150,000 is huge. You can use it to do business, trade or invest in business to increase the existing amount. If you want to make a lot of profits you can invest in Bitcoin children. But I recommend you should not buy once to avoid risks. You can buy slowly and try to see where your luck is. And see how you invest right.

For all the analysis the OGs and us Seventeeners gave to OP, he should have just listened to Elon and bought DOGE.

Note: Seventeeners or 17ers are people who got into crypto in 2017 with the Bitcoin ATH. They are the ones who bought at the highest and then lived through the last 3-4 years to watch their dumbest friends make hundreds of thousands while they made the "sensible" trades..

Historically, buying at ATH don't produce the best results. I would wait for the bear market If I were you. Or you can always decide to Dolar Cost Average. Is crypto your only option to get rich? As far as I see stocks are going nuts also. I think they are as legit as crypto. (some would say they are even more legit)

Also don't forget this is all experimental tech and can go poof anytime and if it (ever) does, nobody will care about your losses..

If you are ready to HODL your money for a long time, then I would buy Bitcoin with nearly all of them if I were you. Because I believe the best choice for a long-term investment is absolutely Bitcoin. For example, Bitcoin price was 5k dollars about one year ago and look where it is now. Of course, it doesn't mean that you will make a huge profit in such time for certain. It may take even 10 years or so. But the most credible crypto for me is Bitcoin.

1. It could happen, because bitcoin is still relatively new, there are still few institutions that come in.
However, bitcoin this year is well known to the world.
2. Bitcoin will usually be more pronounced in the long run, I do not understand about long-term trading
You'll understand better.
3. Using free funds in trading is the best thing. Greed makes us lose all our assets, I think
150k is a good thing to start with
4. I often see the division of assets is 75:25, 75% is the holder, 25% to pursue bitcoin or the other way around.

The forum doesn't have an awful lot of maximalists now. In fact, if you go through the older posts on the forum, you'll see that the maximalist breed wasn't really part of the evolution. Maximalists you see on crypto-twitter are mostly reactionaries to the blocksize-wars. In certain cases, they even have outright corporate affiliations; like Samson from Blockstream. Experiments in Alt-coins have been going on for a long time and nobody in their right mind can say with 100% certainty that financial implications of crypto would be limited only to Bitcoin in the long term.

Having said that, the difference as you say is, indeed, about personalities. Bitcoin attracted the best and the brightest in its initial days. Alt-coins on the other hand gave birth to the phenomena of free-loaders and bounty-hunters. The community in Alt-coin is therefore filled to the brim with people from third world countries trying to earn money by any means possible. While it started with simple, genuine freelancers; the stories of people making 100X of their money in freely distributed Alt-coins (Ether for example was a few cents in the ICO) has led to a sort of gold rush where everyone from a shovel guy to the ones with automated bucket excavators are in a race to pump their own coin through marketing (mostly social media manipulation). This has also led to proliferation of copycat projects whose only purpose is to somehow gather seed money. Marketing is provided by the afore-mentioned bounty-hunters looking for a quick flip. The crypto influencers on Youtube and twitter (mostly from first world countries) have taken this to another level. These factors make it extremely difficult to find a genuine project in this wasteland. Its the reason that even though people in the Bitcoin section aren't all maximalist, yet they have suggested to allocate anything from 60-80% of an outright fiat investment into BTC and not Alt/Shit-coins.

Most of this explanation is obvious to the people commenting here but hope this is of some help to you.

Besides this, My personal experience with the DeFi aspect of Alt-coins tells me that they have disruptive potential, at least in the short term (2-3 years). Don't go looking at the plethora of " DeFi farms" springing up everywhere. If you have time before deciding on that investment, I invite you to read a thread that I started about one of these DeFi projects called BarnBridge. You are welcome to ask questions in the thread and join the discord from the link. Ask for me if you come over to discord. There are plenty of people there willing to show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Just make sure not to engage with people asking for money or sending you links via DM. This is a terribly scammy space for newcomers and has every imaginable psy-op designed to part you from your money. For the curious and meticulous though, it is a whole new world.

Investing in Bitcoin is the best thing that you would do with you money.
Although crypto is highly volatile, but it is expected to give you more than 10x returns in 10 years

Do not invest all your money in one go, I would suggest you to buy 10% now and 10% next month. If price fall during this period, you can buy more.
Yes 33% alt and rest on BTC os good strategy.
Go for eth, ksm, trx, dot in Alt.

If we wait for the price to be higher, even 2x for me, it is very difficult and can be categorized as holding the long term will be better because they want to gain many times the invested capital.
There is no need to wait long when there is a movement, the short term is better and this will happen many times and it's true that bitcoin is now fluctuating with a brief correction and then recovering, now with that moment it can be utilized well, even we can play in the short term with this it will be quite what you imagine.
We also don't know when bitcoin will hit the ATH $ 70k unless we wait for it to be difficult. We don't even know what the truth is, so going short is much better for now.

I recommend rarely all investments in Bitcoin you can start with 40% altcoin 40% bitcoin and the remaining 20% for day trading to fill your spare time in your retirement

I was curious about your interest in altsignals https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-altsignals-on-telegram-legit-5329926 so I checked your other posts and now I'm here.

I would also like to add that Ethereum's future depends on the success of Ethereum 2.0 and probably EIP 1559.

I think the rise to over $2000 was also due to the fact that people are buying more ETH to pay high gas so they can join the DeFi and NFT insanity.

The reason should be obvious.

That's a nice amount to invest, but i feel you are making a mistake by making from the time the goal, you should chase a certain amount of profit to cash out. If you buy at $60k then you could wait until it hit $70k and then sell.

It's a big mistake to chase an x2 or something big because in the way bitcoin will go up and down multiple times, and you can win a small profit in each of those moves. So, play the short for small profit but win multiple times.

If I were you I will go all in for alts you have a huge amount of funds holding and altseason is already here I cant suggest to buy btc if you want to earn fast alts can give you 20x - 100x of your current funds investing in a real projects I saw recent alts from IDO that gives 100x in a $300 investment in past few days. 

Ask the old timers in Bitcoin and they just might have the good answer for you - Trust the system. They have trusted Bitcoin when it was still cents to a piece. They have trusted it and waited for 11 years to see it succeed. So I think do what everybody else here do with their Bitcoins, just keep on holding them until you feel that the price is worth for you to get a profit from. Some are technical, like you, but most are everyday joes who trusted the system and somehow got some neat profits.

usually people say things they have heavily invested in are the "best". there were even people here who pationotely argued that gold is the "best" and bitcoin will never reach parity.

what you need to do is to study each option yourself. for example try downloading and running an ethereum node (not its simplified light wallets but the full node as you would in any supposedly decentralized cryptocurrency). try sending and receiving some coins.
check the economy of that coin (inflation, supply, premine, bugs, roll backs, scams,...).
you can also use bitcoin as the reference. for example compare bitcoin supply with ethereum supply. bitcoin cap with ETH cap (or lack of cap) and so on. then decide if it is a good long term investment or not...

Crypto is not about easy money at all. Only enter that amount that you dont afraid to loose and never trade loans money

Ethereum has dropped more than 90% too in the past. I wouldn't call that "safe"

Don't forget that everyone has "an agenda": when a banker tells you Bitcoin is a worthless scam, they have an agenda. When they tell you Bitcoin can go up to $400k, they have an agenda. Crypto is much easier to manipulate than stocks.

Wow thank you for all of the advice so far, I welcome it.

Having posted in the alt-coin forum here (I'm still pretty convinced that ETH at least will be around for a long time and is very safe for a cryptocurrency), I am getting mixed signals.
The alt-coin forum seems to think that bitcoin will not be the only winner, even long-term. There does not have to be one currency to rule them all, just like in the real fiat world.  Yes, the dollar is pretty dominant, but there are many others.

I wonder if this striking difference of opinion reflects personal experience or personalities (risk adverse people flock to the bitcoin forums, risk-tolerant types hang in the alt-coin forums)

I would put everything in BTC, I would have no doubt about it, the alts are a good decision, they can give quick profits but in the long term Bitcoin is more reliable, it does not matter if it falls in price, rises over time, do not despair You just have to know how to wait and if you wait that long it is enough for you to see extreme greatness.

Yes, sure. Most of us in this forum believe that Bitcoin will be much higher than $300k in the next ten years. If you stay for a while in the forum you will see it and will see the reasons why. There are also many people who have had Bitcoin for a long time, and have multiplied their holdings by much more than 5X.


DCA is simply to stay calm. If you can psychologically withstand a sharp drop in the market, better lump sum, if not, DCA.


Not at all. If you hear Michael Saylor, you will end up doing that and taking a mortgage on your already paid for house to invest in Bitcoin, but I think you have to apply a precautionary principle and diversify, no matter how much most of us here believe that Bitcoin will remain the most profitable asset over the next decade.


Fuck shitcoins! If you want to diversify a little, put like 90% in Bitcoin and play roulette with the other 10%.

Having 9 years of experience in cryptocurrency sector, I would like to point out two things (which you may or may not listen to). First of all, going for long term hold doesn't mean that you need to hold 100% of your coins until 2031. You should be having incremental targets and small amounts of coins can be sold once these targets are achieved. And secondly, I am not a big fan of altcoins from my experience with them during the last decade. I would suggest splitting your investment in a 80-20 ratio (BTC - 80%, alt - 20%), or even a 90-10 ratio. While investing in altcoins, always go for coins that have real life usage and high liquidity.

Possible to get 10x or even more. It's not something you can't reach since you are talking about crypto and more specifically bitcoin. Weeks ago my friend started with a few bucks and I got more than 30x by only trading bitcoin. You can have your own strategy and stick to it. For example, if you want to buy and sell bitcoins weekly/daily to increase the number of your bitcoins that would be very much risky but if you want to just hold bitcoin and aim for the long term you can have safe profits in long term. Generally, I suggest you to have a plan and stick to your strategy that's how the market gives you the reward.

There is absolutely no problem having a high risk portfolio, but your exposure to high risk should not exceed 30% of your total portfolio. I would never give anyone advice to tell them to go "all-in" on Crypto currencies on their whole portfolio, because that would just be reckless.

This coming from someone who invested 30% of my investment funds in Bitcoin when the price was still $300+ ..... my gains since then has been phenomenal and I will never regret not going in with my whole portfolio. (The urge to sell, grow when you risk more... If I did invest everything, I would have probably exited years ago)  

Be responsible ..... Go 30% and no more, sell and profit and buy more then.  

Allow me to add a warning here: don't believe anyone who tells you an investment is safe! There is no "safe" on the stock market, and there definitely is no "safe" in crypto!

You will obviously get different takes on this one especially here on this forum. Since you are planning to hold for a long time, I would say put 80% to BTC while 15% to high cap altcoins of your choice and 5% to mid caps. I have a few of them in mind but I would rather let you look into them.

If I may add, you could also play with altcoins for short term and move them back to BTC (making your port 100%). Many altcoins are performing better than bitcoin in USD value and also doing well against BTC but that trend won't last long. It could end in six months time.

Exactly this.
The fact about altcoins has always been that they are ALWAYS getting dumped over the long haul. The ONLY reason why they show gains in terms of USD is because bitcoin price is rising and nothing else.
All of them are useless and majority of them either have unlimited supplies (natural inflation) or enormous supplies which does the same thing.

If bitcoin were to become stable today and remain stable for at least 6 months we would start seeing what the real bloodshed looks like in altcoin market. It should remain stable for long because for short term stability altcoins get massively pumped, for example when bitcoin stabilizes for a month people start pumping altcoins but after that the dump continues and since bitcoin price is stable the altcoin prices in both BTC and USD continues dropping. But luckily for altcoins bitcoin USD price keeps going up and it masks the fact that they are dumping against BTC by showing small gains.

Keep in mind that it would actually be a net gain in altcoins IF their price went up as much as bitcoin price did or more. But when the USD gain is smaller than BTC price rise it shows that the net gain was negative meaning they are indeed dumping.
For example if bitcoin price goes up 10% the altcoin USD price should also go up 10% (remain stable) or 11% (gain value) and higher. But when it goes up 9% or less that shows that the altcoin was actually dumped.

This sounds attractive enough but it has a glaring problem. I'd increase the BTC part to > 50%.

ETH is alright because it has a huge community of developers behind it. It will continue to attract investments.

BNB is mostly centralized and has a figurehead called CZ from Binance. He is a Chinese businessman with no qualms about crypto having a soul. His only motive is profit and he takes shrewd steps to ensure that. Essentially, it is the biggest corporate-linked crypto you can buy today.

Do not know much about THETA and CARDANO.

As far as the timing is concerned, please consider that we are in a bull run right now supported by corporates buying into BTC and DeFi run on ETH/ BNB. This is not the time to go all-in. Invest a part of it now and wait for the next crypto-winter to buy up some more.

Not financial advice. DYOR. This is a VERYYY mercenary space. People will shill you their Alts so that their own bags can pump. On Youtube, you will find videos about "New bull run coming, retail investors coming". You are the "retail investor" these people have been waiting for 3 years. So, please beware.

That is an almost perfect plan, but I suggest him to have some cash for backup just in case if the price of all the investment drops, so he can buy back at a low price. Besides that, if he can have backup money, he will see another chance to buy the other coin, so that can help him to diversify the investment and he can add more coins as the investment. But if he does not want to prepare backup money, that will not be a problem, but I hope he still has more money to cover his daily life.

Don't put all on BTC mate..


150K is good amount I would do something like this:


50K BTC (Will be 1-5 million dollar in the next 5-10 years)
30K ETH Will  likely have better return than bitcoin
30K CARDANO can make you 50-100x within 5-10 years. good tehcnology .  many will dump eth for ada.
20K THETA
20K BNB


This is safe investment. These projects stay for the next 5 years 99%
You will get the best gains rather then just put all in in Bitcoin it has already big Market cap and low roi.

I don't know if the total amount of money you have us the your life time money, if it is, then it's not advisable to use to invest in bitcoin, study shows that a good entrepreneur is an average risk taker, I'm scared of you been a high risk profile person, but I'm happy that you are a patient person that can wait for even 10 years, that's awesome to hear.

Do you know that since 2017 that's approximately 4 years now, bitcoin price was $19,000 if you have bought it that time you would have gotten a profit of $307,000 that's huge right. If bitcoin can give that in 4 years, now let try that in the next four year if btc price be at $90k as the case may be, that would be roughly $82k , is that huge in 4 years? meaning in 10 years will be higher than that. Sure.

It's up to you to decide your investment plan., go for bitcoin alone and not altcoin, if alt, then consider investing in BNB.

Welcome aboard! Congratulations on investing in bitcoin. You have shared your past investment experiences. A return on your equity investments "8%" in an average time of four years. The price of bitcoin on December 16, 2017, was at $ 19,345.49 and today it is for $ 58,724.65 an average of 300% profit only holding bitcoin.
A long-term investment in bitcoin is the most recommended. Don't worry if the price of bitcoin falls due to a correction. Take a look at what possible happened days ago.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninabambysheva/2021/03/15/22-billion-bitcoin-liquidation-may-have-caused-10-correction/amp/

Since you have mentioned already that you have a high risk profile, then it will be up into you if you will go all out in just one set or you will gradually put up investment depending on your chosen time frame. To tell you frankly, no one exactly knows how much you can make after 1-5 years and even 10 years investing with crypto. Only time will tell what can possible to happen when we are already right there in the situation. Also, it is just up into you on what percentage partition you would allot for Bitcoin and Altcoins depending on how you assess the market since you seems like to be showing interest on having both.

From the OP profile I think he is an experienced investor, if he talks about being patient up to 10 years in his investment it is because he could have had an investment in the stock market, which gives profits in 8 to 10 years if he invests in the correct stock.

The profit you can get in Crypto, especially if you invest in Bitcoin, is 3-4 years following the order of Accumulation - Distribution Stage. At the moment the market is experiencing changes that have never been experienced, a pandemic time and in most countries confinement, but it has been proven that this is beneficial for bitcoin, which can give it benefits in the short to medium term respectively, this scenario is very likely.

When you talk about alternative cryptocurrencies you must bear in mind that they all depend on the movement of Bitcoin, that bitcoin is the only currency that has a life of its own, there are many currencies based on very good projects, which are giving a lot of good profits, but you must be careful because in an eventual correction or fall of bitcoin, altcoins radically bleed.

Does anyone here think this l0x gain is very reasonable in a decade?  I dont think that is possible... i think at at best probably 6x?

Invest in Bitcoin for years while expecting 10x is not an idiot strategy because its something alot of people has been over the years but it good to understand the market halving season.

Time horizon doesn't come to play, the market trend is what you need to put into consideration cause the best time to invest is when people panic sell.

Going all in every investment setting is a wrong decision and I will advise you to invest 75K while you set aside 75k to buy more when there's some dump price in the market. Mind you, the first 75K was for long term investment while the 75K is for short/seizing the market opportunity and selling at profit price.

Altcoin are high manipulated coins but since you have a high-risk profile, you can invest 20% in altcoin like BNB (keep on  Binance to get some free coins which you can sell asap), ETH, Link, and DOT.

Don’t go and be withdrawing your old retirement fund just to invest them in Bitcoin, maybe you can go ahead and invest the $150,000 that you mentioned at first, but leave your retirement fund where it is, that’s very important, don’t take much risk more than you can handle when things goes wrong.

Moreover $150 thousand is enough investment , when price goes up you will make enough profit, more than the 8% you have been making in the past eight years as you have said. And I can imagine that the price will be higher than what it is now in the next five years, not to talk of the next ten years.

Right you say, focusing on BTC will give you a more definite advantage...
in the next 10 years, the Bitcoin price will definitely be 5x-7x from the current price, which means that the value of your investment will increase sharply. $ 150k in the capital should be enough to get you a million dollars in the next 10 years.

even you have a risk profile its not make sense if despite you really want to gain in the future instead of losing..  Just forget investing in alts, if you don't want to waste your time in it. instead focus in BTC which for sure can give you good return in the future. As you said you are good at waiting, even 10 years.. So definitely a good decision to invest with it.  Since bitcoin always make a break out every year. Best of luck on your journey bro.

Op, I don't know your financial situation, but if $150k is literally all of your savings, it's already a very solid sum, and why risk losing it? Why not take half of it to spend on something now (in my country, one could buy a great flat in a good neighborhood for that money), and then use another half for this long-term hodling Bitcoin experiment?
Nobody knows how high Bitcoin can go or how low it can fall in the future, but I do think it's likely that we'll see it growing at least 5x over the next few years, so the idea itself might not be so bad. I just don't understand why you'd go all-in if you can enjoy some wealth you've already accumulated AND invest in BTC.

I expect the each halving to have less effect on scarcity than the previous one.

As the inflation becomes lower, halvings matter less. Say 15 years from now, when the block reward drops from 0.78 BTC to 0.39 BTC, it really doesn't matter much. There will be a continuous pressure caused by scarcity, much stronger than it was in 2020, and much more continuous because the block reward becomes so small compared to the amount of Bitcoin in circulation.

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Just a thought: could this at some point force the FED to abandon their inflation goal, and compete for stable purchasing power of the dollar?

Oh, and the real inflation and trouble hasn't even started yet!

Also, from this year on, BTC annual inflation rate will drop for the first time below USD's. This is a historical moment and I think the potential outcome of this or the next halving is absolutely crazy.

I like to put it like this: Every (part of a) Bitcoin I ever sold, would have been worth more now if I would have kept it.
But there are always reasons to sell, in my case it was to pay taxes. I didn't want to risk Bitcoin dropping, while I still have to pay the same amount in tax.

But don't sell all your Bitcoins! I like this 2015 post:
The same argument is still valid, just add a few zeros to the $10,000.

Here's my take, but remember this isn't financial advice!

I would personally NOT recommend to invest in alts at this point. They're all popping up like popcorn and last time I remember this happened, a huge dump vs the BTC parity followed. Should BTC enter a winter crash like 2015, you could just adjust your DCA rather than selling in panic. It's tempting to sell when you see your $150k go down to $15k in a matter of days, but so far BTC has rewarded every single strong hand so why sell?

Investing in alts is a quite bad choice, unless you want to daytrade and play with the oscillating BTC parities. Alts are very, very deceiving because you see $60,000 and then a $0.0001 coin and think: "Should this $0.0001 coin pop, I'll be getting rich!".

If you put all of this with USD parities in a chart, you'd see it's not that bad. Better than your 8 years of waiting, right? Someone invested $1k in the top 10 cryptos back in 2017, on the 31st of December. With USD parities, here's how it looks:


But then, I wondered: what if the guy had invested solely in BTC instead? Well, look at the results. Here's how, the same investment with the same alts but with BTC parities instead of USD, looks as a result:


Yes. Versus Bitcoin, a significant % of the alts had a downfall of over 90%. I'd say it's not worth it. That's unless you're lucky to find a "gem" among all those shitcoins that's bound to increase hundreds of times in price before Bitcoin does.

I like the Bitcoin "Rainbow" Price Chart:


I wish I would have seen it earlier. Obviously, past results are no guarantee for the future, but I've also seen history repeat itself several times.

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Before buying into crypto, make sure you know what you're doing, and know where you're going to store them. Unlike stock, I wouldn't keep Bitcoin with a broker (exchange) for long term. Learn how to keep it safe by yourself.

Nobody knows exact returns you can have, and Bitcoin like everything else have cycles in uptrend and down trend, but with current money printing and inflation I am expecting everything to speed up including cycles.
Best time to invest in Bitcoin would be in downtrend or dollar cost averaging, but my amateur prediction for next 5 years is that Bitcoin could go to $400k but with huge volatility.


Dollar cost averaging is much safer and proven strategy and going all in is much more risky so you need to decide what you want more safety or risk.


I would never do that, I would never sell a house or borrow money from other people just to buy Bitcoin or do anything crazy like that.
This is pure gamble and few years ago it would pay off much more than now.


I would not buy and hold any altcoins now especially that new shit coming out every day, but if you really want it I would keep Bitcoin at 90% and play with rest 10%

all of course convincing that bitcoin is unpredictable and no one can control, so I agree that if someone cannot guarantee what will happen for a long time like the next 5-10 years, because usually only for the halving period, namely Once in 4 years, it can be analyzed from the past halving movements.

as you said that there are indeed many investors from large companies who are currently actively investing their funds for investment in bitcoin, because they think that bitcoin will continue to increase, but until when we do not know because it could be that bitcoin will experience a major correction because all companies and investors give up bitcoin because they feel lucky. then it will happen that the price may go down.

so because bitcoin and crypto in general are unpredictable, of course the risk that will occur could be large, even if it is profitable it is also quite large.

No one can guarantee that in the next 5 or 10 years, bitcoin will return 2x, 3x, or 10x the value you invested today. Bitcoin is a future asset and its price is very volatile. Although institutional investor appear to be providing strong support, there is no guarantee that they will not sell their bitcoin in the next 5 or 10 years. Since anything is possible, you may need to have a good portfolio for your investment. All decision are yours, and I bet people wouldn't dare give you financial advice because cryptocurrencies are full of volatility.

I prefer to suggest to hold bitcoin for 5-10 years later as in the 1-2 years will not moves too often or significant, but I do not know since we can not know what will happen in the next 1-2 years later. If you only care to buy bitcoin, then you can buy and hold and do not think about the volatility of bitcoin price.

You can split your money for six months from now and I think you can get bitcoin at various price which can reduce your average buy price. I do not think that it is better to use all of the money in just one time because we know that bitcoin price will always go up and down, so diversify your order buy in any range of the price will be better.

$300k is a lot of money, but you can use it to invest in bitcoin and you can have many bitcoin. But splitting into 2 parts or more will be better just in case if bitcoin price drops significantly. That will be up to you.

If you want to hold altcoin, you can use 50-50 to buy, but altcoin will be good for short term and not long term. But you can hold it together with your bitcoin for 5-10 years.

All In is risky if you are talking shitcoins .

But With OP's capacity ? clearly accepted that he is a high Risk person and willing to Hold for 10 years?

Bitcoin is the Perfect choice for him and also a Perfect decision to HODL.

1 year holding has no assurance , But 3 years onwards? that means another Halving will be in part so how much we can assess His profit for that long period?

All in is always too risky strategy. It's your choise and all but i wouldn't do that. Keep by yourself at least amount of money that you can live 1-2 months with.

1. You are asking a question no one can answer. You maybe making 2x or 15x in next 10 years, or maybe make nothing and lose everything (highly unlikely but still a possibility). But if bitcoin still exists and is more everyone is more friendlier towards it, then in the long run, you will be making some very good profit!
2. Maybe invest it over the next few months? Every time you see a small dip, buy some to maximize your profit.
3 Do you need to? Even though you have a high risk profile, it is not wise to take risks that might ruin your life.
4. If i were you, I would put most in bitcoin and some in altcoins. Maybe 25:75?

1. $150k is reasonably good amount for 10 years stretch investment, depending on how btc performed from now till 10 years I would say it is very likely you can 5x or more, again nothing is certain.

2. I would invest 50% now and 50% in next few months (only if there will be correction otherwise it could be a lot higher)

3.Better to always have a plan B so won't be advising you to take that route except you are ready to take whatever outcome, it could be at your advantage or disadvantage.

4. Better to go %70 - 30% because as you know alts investment have a higher risk but also a good chance of making high roi than btc, but to be on a safer side a higher % on btc will be much better,  with btc there is less risk and safer.

And lastly, always remember to put in what you can afford to lose,  best of luck with your journey in crypto, Welcome on board.  

1. I would expect price to reach $400k to $500k this year and in 4-5 years reach $1 million so it means 589%-762% in 2021 and 1624% in 4-5 years. But there is no guarantee!
2. I don't usually like cost averaging but since we are in an accumulation phase that there is a chance of seeing dips during these stages you could place some low ball buy orders for a better entry point. You could also wait for the next direction to become clear before you jump in, like seeing the resistance break first.
3. No, never. Going all in is very risky not just because of bitcoin price but you may lose your keys or some disaster like that and lose all your money. It is also always best to diversify.
4. I would never recommend "investing" in altcoins ever simply because I don't see any "long term" potential in any of them. If you are good at day trading and could gain some insight into how to play the pump and dump game (ride the pump and exit before the dump) then you could start trading altcoins with a small amount of bitcoin so that you can increase the amount of bitcoin you own.

Honestly OP, you're the true definition of unsafe risk. Apart from waiting this long to invest in Bitcoin (which you should've done earlier, anyway) you're talking about doubling the initial mapped out $150,000 (which I think it's high risk already at this time). Don't you fear that you may even be buying at the very top just like those who did in 2017 at ATH? Besides, if you're looking at hodling for as long as 10 years why the sudden rush to buy now? Remember, there is going to be a bear rally by next year. I say this from experience. I think you should just keep your $150,000 in a cooler for buy during the bear season or if you must buy now just do a split of that cash into three and invest one part.

1. There's really no way to know how much returns we could potentially get, but 5x over 10 years should be pretty realistic.

2. I prefer doing lump sum investments. I'd recommend lump sum, that is if you know for sure that you wouldn't panic sell if ever a huge drop comes.

3. I wouldn't go that far honestly. I have quite a high risk profile myself, but withdrawing a retirement fund is just straight-off irresponsible.

4. "High risk profile" is still a huge spectrum. Two people with "high risk profiles" could still have far different allocation percentages. I'm afraid this is something that you should decide yourself.

Since you have already mentioned being a High Risk profile so why need to ask about 1-2 and 5 years? why not lets Just talk about the 10 years estimated Profit?

- Bitcoin had increased Its Value since 11 years ago to thousand and thousand % increase.

- Bitcoin had Proven recovering from the Deepest fall to the highest gain.

- So now How much would you expect Bitcoin  reached up to 10 years?

I am Looking for surely more than 1 million dollars each?

it's full of guru and other influencers ready to track the next record of bitcoin by a short period of time.
I think you can just forget their predictions, because 99% are just wrong. Ok price can increase after "some" time but when? and meanwhile price can collapse drastically?
I mean, in the past we have seen strong collapse in the value after touching ATH.
Select a wrong time for make an investment, it's a wrong move able to erase any profit or it can requires months or years to achieve a profit.
I don't think go "all in" in this phase is a wise solution. Price has already seen a skyrocket increase (500% in one year). Ok we are all bullish but this not means price can growth with the same ratio in another year (or two...)

About retirement funds... if these funds give you a future pension it's better save for this. If you feel confident exchange a small part...

Last but not least, altcoins suggestion... I made an experiment taking in account some "suggested coins" from this topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-next-100x-1000x-coin-2106360 "The next 100x or 1000x coin",
(people here trying to guess/suggest the coin that could receive a big pump during end of 2017 early 2018)

At December 2020, it means after 3 years, I get following results:
13,18% Reported a positive evaluation.
10.83% Reported a 0 (total loss)
the others just negative results (prices go down).

(full post here https://www.publish0x.com/bitbollo-cryptocurrencies-blog/a-depth-analysis-of-bitcointalkorg-speculation-thread-the-ne-xpnnjwq )

Ok some altcoins have a positive outlook in a long run. But this is around 1 each 9 project!
Slightly better, 1 each 10 project can be a COMPLETE FALL (0 value!).
Even a positive result doesn't mean a better result then bitcoin itself!

To be fair with you, if you are to invest in bitcoin right now, I am pretty sure that you will earn a really big interest when you hodl for a long time, maybe you can multiply that investment tenfold in 10 years time or maybe not, you said that you have a high risk profile so I don't you don't have to worry about it, just invest because you will never know that next day the prices are higher.

Hi there,

First, a little about me.  I am a first-time investor to crypto.  However, I have had a few stocks (Roth IRA stuff) and tech stocks and overall have made the average 8% return over about 8 years.  I now have 150,000 to scrape together.

Principles:  I have a high risk profile.  I am patient up to 10 years.  I could buy and hold.  I do believe this 2021 is a once in a lifetime year.  The gains next cycle will be much less in 4 years.
I do believe that earlier is always better.  Did I say I have a high risk profile?

I have a few specific questions and I know it's just your opinions.

1.  Starting today on April 10, 2021 if I invested 150k in bitcoin, how much do the gurus expect me to have in 1, 2, 5, and 10 years?  Like would any idiot who just invested today and didn't sell expect a 5x increase within the next 10 years?
2.  I would use dollar cost averaging, but over what time horizon?  Invest 150k over the next six months?  Or just invest it all today since we all know it's going up?
3.  I could withdraw the old retirement fund and get the initial investment up to 300k.  Would you go all in using that?  I would not have much of a backup plan for retirement if this is the case, but like I said I have a high risk profile.  I do believe this is once in a lifetime.
4. If I want to pursue some alt coins, and again, I have a high risk profile, what % mix would you recommend?  33% alt-coins and 66% bitcoin, or 50-50, etc? 


Thank you!!