Topic: I Highly Suggest You Do NOT Use Cryptopia (Read 760 times)
Deposits are going smoothly but there are really huge problems with withdrawals as of now. Can't withdraw any funds for a few days already. Furthermore, support doesn't respond to tickets. I think the main reason is that they were cut off from their funds recently so they are using traders funds for now.
it goes unresponsive mostly (on my phone) also did this on my laptop once but never happened again
plus, they charge more than other exchanges like binance, bittrex, poloniex, etc
plus, they charge more than other exchanges like binance, bittrex, poloniex, etc
I have worked with cryptopia for about 3 months now, I only withdraw with ltc and ark. These went through instantly!
never use btc, it is way to slow
never use btc, it is way to slow
after reading this thread, i become afraid with this exchanger, because i have some coins at that exchanger.
i hope cryptopia get well soon, so i can withdrawal all my coins from there
i hope cryptopia get well soon, so i can withdrawal all my coins from there
That is there are alot of shit coins are listed on cryptopia,but there are some special coins too,and I would tell you something.Actually I'm using this site since 3 months,I tried to deposit Bitcoin and withdraw Bitcoins;buy&sell(daily trading),and the result was good.Don't know why you are not suggesting cryptopia.
Yeah.Cryptopia is a C class exchange,with horrible working indicators,lagging as soon as there is a small pump as well.Not surprised that they are adding nearly everything ,same as delta.If your coin is on binance or bittrex,suggest using them
I ended up still using cryptopia, it was the only place to get a coin that I wanted. The other exchanges I looked at had similar issues. I've recieved all of my withdrawals so far and have another one processing right now. The other night they went through almost instantly but the last couple have taken 12-18hrs to process but they are still coming through just fine. Don't forget to click the confirmation in your email each time you withdrawal!
My friend had bad experience with cryptopia, his account got hacked. I had no problem with my withdrawal and trading woth cryptopia, i don't use it as my main trading platform though.
really I've heard a lot of bad reviews about this exchange, and stopped using it, I use bittrex, binance, kucoin.
Well just read this. So i just on cryptopia and was able to withdraw BTC
- no problems
- no problems
I agree i will stop using them as much as possible and certainly not big amounts. I think people waiting will get their money , but it is a bad sitiuation to be in.
I have another issue with cryptopia.
I have 4 friends who used my referral link and started trading. I am sure that they are trading, however, I don't see any earnings on my affiliate account tab.
So weird dont know whats going on? Does anyone have the same problem?
I have 4 friends who used my referral link and started trading. I am sure that they are trading, however, I don't see any earnings on my affiliate account tab.
So weird dont know whats going on? Does anyone have the same problem?
it is sad that another good exchange is having a lot of issues lately. thanks for the heads up though. it seems like i have to look for another exchange once again. probably move completely to binance for now 
for what it's worth bittrex is also a scam website. check out their announcement on bitcointalk. they robbed a lot of people last year.
We are getting to the point where no exchange seems safe, every exchange you look at it seems to have some bad reputation they need to answer for, fortunately I'm mostly a holder of my coins but I wonder what it is going to happen when I really need to move my coins to an exchange when I want to cash out some of my earnings, that seems like just one more reason to hold my coins at least for the time being until exchanges become more professional. other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin)
for what it's worth bittrex is also a scam website. check out their announcement on bitcointalk. they robbed a lot of people last year.
Interesting as Poloniex is my main trading platform.
Thanks for the feedback
I'm anout to buy some ONION and this is only available via Cryptopia or KuCoin
Any problem with KuCoin?
Thanks for the feedback
I'm anout to buy some ONION and this is only available via Cryptopia or KuCoin
Any problem with KuCoin?
Been about 2 weeks since I have made a withdrawal from Cryptopia and no issues but I have lived through Gox, Crypto Rush, Mintpal, Cryptsy and the last time I made a withdrawal from Poloniex, it took 3 weeks.
Thanks for the head up guys, I just sign up to Topia to buy some ONION, guess I'll try elsewhere!
There is no 2FA support also. I have been using cryptopia for a while and it didn't happen anything. But these withdrawal issues are not good.
Today I sent 0.84 ETH. But 12 hours I have not received. exchange cyptopia. I do not know where my money has gone. And will I lose?
I had encountered the same problems withdrawing BTC in HitBTC for the past few weeks. I have not visited the said exchange for a few days now so I am not sure if the issue was fixed or not. There are strategies that I did when it comes to situations like these. Good luck to all of us.
I use Cryptopia very frequently. I have to agree with most in here, and admit that I have never had any problems depositing og withdrawing funds. It has always been smooth for me. 
Really? I just transferred btc there...maybe I should withdraw them as soon as possible, avoid troubles hopefully its has no problems. I should be more cautious by this information.
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
i am using cryptopia but i don't experience any problem with this exchange , The withdrawal is fast it takes on 10 minutes and also the deposit, And now the withdrawal fee is low .My friend i using this without any problem . https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
This is going to become more common as more regulation comes to the market, exchanges are having a problem dealing with the massive amount of new users that got in bitcoin in the last months and also from regulators and banks being on their case all the time, at some point decentralized exchanges need to fill some of that gap but for now it seems the community still does not want to make that jump, I wonder what they will need to move on to decentralized exchanges. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
everyone knows that these are in a difficult situation, but it is reported that it will recover over time.
Well, I think this exchange is very good for small marketcap alts, personally I never have any withdrawn problems will them yet. But I agree with most of you, it is never safe to keep on your alts on this exchange since it can close any day.
i transferred trx there and it took a while but the funds cleared. the website is not a fraud as i then transferred btc to binance and it look less than 15 mins. deposits may take a bit longer on cryptopia, but maybe even then it was bc of trx, but Cryptopia is dependable.
I had withdrawn my token from cryptopia yesterday it was so delayed. They process my withdrawal more than 24hrs, I think not good to use these exchange because of so many issues. So many issues that needs to be solved early.
i transferred trx there and it took a while but the funds cleared. the website is not a fraud as i then transferred btc to binance and it look less than 15 mins. deposits may take a bit longer on cryptopia, but maybe even then it was bc of trx, but Cryptopia is dependable.
I used cryptopia exchange before in trading some of my altcoin, i never had issues with them but since there are so many complaints and problem to the exchange its better not to use it. I still have few coins left in my account and im going to pull out soon. Thanks for the warning mate.
it is sad that another good exchange is having a lot of issues lately. thanks for the heads up though. it seems like i have to look for another exchange once again. probably move completely to binance for now
for what it's worth bittrex is also a scam website. check out their announcement on bitcointalk. they robbed a lot of people last year.
other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin)
for what it's worth bittrex is also a scam website. check out their announcement on bitcointalk. they robbed a lot of people last year.
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
OMG. I've already registered here and will transfer my funds tomorrow. Good thing I've read this thank you so much for sharing I will find another exchange that my funds are secured.
It is only congested depends its network.. I'm use it before since 2 years.. the withdrawal are so low process but it high in fees.. so I suggest if you would like to use this. go..
I NOTE that CRYPTOPIA is not SCAM.. they only having issue of network...
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
OMG. I've already registered here and will transfer my funds tomorrow. Good thing I've read this thank you so much for sharing I will find another exchange that my funds are secured.
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
It seems that a lot of exchanges are going through some technical problems now a days. Probably due to the massive transactions being made every single day which may have led to some systems crashing. This is one risk that we have to face in this venture. And for the fees, I really wouldn’t mind paying if my earnings are more than enough to cover them. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
Hmm, very interesting. Seems most people can still get the money out eventually though. The thing is they have such a good collection of alt coins; what other sites would you recommend instead?
many people have issues with this exchange , what the cryptopia team doing ?
cs support is good for nothing .
such type of services make people to panic and stay away from crypto .
cs support is good for nothing .
such type of services make people to panic and stay away from crypto .
I agree, Cryptopia is a garbage exchange. I will never do business with them or trust my money with them. I've used their exchange in the past, and I've been thoroughly disappointed with their incompetence and unprofessionalism.
Every Exchanger looks risky recently Bitgrill scammed 20 million Nano many traders went bankrupt with the pre-planned scam now we are hearing Crytopia better be cautious
I have no problem with cryptopia, I feel this exchange is very good and very fast.
Any exchange will experience some problems.
so I think use what you think is the easiest and the most you understand.
Any exchange will experience some problems.
so I think use what you think is the easiest and the most you understand.
Good day! I didn't knew Cryptopia has withdrawal issues. I just withdrew . 09 btc the other day and it was fast. Maybe im just lucky? I still have a few coins im trading there. Hopefully everything will just go smoothly coz I like Cryptopia. Been using that trading site for 2 years without any problems.
I think this is based on your compatability matters, like, is your area covered by their service, do they have affiliated outlet with in your place? Or maybe you just been phissed by sime-like site.
Thank you for shared infos. But,till yesterday,i used Cryptopia correctly without any problems.
I do not have any problems. I feel this exchange very well. Every problem resolved quickly. There may be some instances of delays including you. if you have retired. Good for you. When you encounter some problems in this exchange
Every exchange has got some issues. Some users were unlucky to encounter the same and for the same we cannot suggest or completely term the particular exchange website to be bad for trading purpose.
I didn't had any issues with Cryptopia. I would check it soon.
But my transaction did well few days ago.
But my transaction did well few days ago.
It's nothing to do with fees and deducting lots of coins at this point.
My issue is that I can't withdraw anything at all.
I'm wondering what's going on here. I moved some BTC into it about a week ago to buy up some coins and tokens while they were cheap - and now I can't move those coins and tokens out. I can't even input the withdrawal address. The money I've moved in for trading seems 'stuck' there.
To be clear with what I'm facing here:
- The last time I made a withdrawal from Cryptopia was in December, and that went just fine. No alarm bells.
- Trading function and volume seem fine. No alarm bells.
- WITHDRAWAL function seems disabled. Huge alarm bells.
If anyone has any insight or suggestions as to what to do, I would highly appreciate it
My issue is that I can't withdraw anything at all.
I'm wondering what's going on here. I moved some BTC into it about a week ago to buy up some coins and tokens while they were cheap - and now I can't move those coins and tokens out. I can't even input the withdrawal address. The money I've moved in for trading seems 'stuck' there.
To be clear with what I'm facing here:
- The last time I made a withdrawal from Cryptopia was in December, and that went just fine. No alarm bells.
- Trading function and volume seem fine. No alarm bells.
- WITHDRAWAL function seems disabled. Huge alarm bells.
If anyone has any insight or suggestions as to what to do, I would highly appreciate it
Yeah cryptopia and hitbtc are a bit suspicious especially im concerned because they deduct a lot of coins if we want to move or withdraw some coins out of them.
I have been using Cryptopia for some time and I have never had any issue with the exchange, although this is just another wake up call, alot happens inside these exchanges that is not known to public, I don't think they are having issue with liquidity because the trading volume on the exchange has increased drastically recently
I'm having a problem withdrawing from Cryptopia. Every time I get to this step:
The bar where I am supposed to enter the Withdraw Address is greyed out.
Same problem with PRL, LTC, BTC, NEO
I've made successful withdrawals from them in the past so I know the procedure. I'm wondering what's going on - anyone else having similar issues?
(image credit: Cryptopia User Lafu, who posted a guide on Withdrawals and Transfers on the Cryptopia forum. )
The bar where I am supposed to enter the Withdraw Address is greyed out.
Same problem with PRL, LTC, BTC, NEO
I've made successful withdrawals from them in the past so I know the procedure. I'm wondering what's going on - anyone else having similar issues?
(image credit: Cryptopia User Lafu, who posted a guide on Withdrawals and Transfers on the Cryptopia forum. )
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
This same thing happened to me at poloniex and hitbtc and I have to endure because I know the two exchange are trusted and later my account was credited with my withdrawal. I think delay confirmation of transactions or processing should not be a reason why people should not trade with cryptopia as many people that I know have account with this people make used of them and praise how good there are. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
My brother is waiting on 30 days for a support ticket.. they make so much money from new coin listings and trading fees.. WTF IS going on
Transferred some LTC out of Cryptopia yesterday and it went smoothly. Guess it's not a general problem.
totally aggree .
you put your 0.15 btc in there , thats a lot money bro . i only try withdraw $100 LTC . delay over 1 days and need confirmation e,t,c .
for get $3 im risking my $100 in there bit crazy but so far i got my LTC back in next day . .
you put your 0.15 btc in there , thats a lot money bro . i only try withdraw $100 LTC . delay over 1 days and need confirmation e,t,c .
for get $3 im risking my $100 in there bit crazy but so far i got my LTC back in next day . .
I'm glad I don't have much on there right now. Like literally 2 Onions I believe. Sucks it used to be a pretty good exchange to use. I was gona send some btc there this week glad I seen this first. Back to bittrex I guess...
I didn't hear anything particularly bad about Cryptopia and at least their in a developed country with proper laws.
Nevertheless since I'm currently not trading, I withdrew all of my coins to private wallets, since no exchange can be assumed to be secure.
Nevertheless since I'm currently not trading, I withdrew all of my coins to private wallets, since no exchange can be assumed to be secure.
I also had no problem with withdrawals in the last couple of weeks - but since i lost some nano on Bitgrail i feel it's better to be safe than sorry.
This can happen with any exchange. You just did not get lucky.
I didn't hear anything particularly bad about Cryptopia and at least their in a developed country with proper laws.
Nevertheless since I'm currently not trading, I withdrew all of my coins to private wallets, since no exchange can be assumed to be secure.
Nevertheless since I'm currently not trading, I withdrew all of my coins to private wallets, since no exchange can be assumed to be secure.
I've also traded with Cryptopia in the past and I must say that it worked quite well and when I had to contact support they attended me quite fast. But as issues with centralized exchanges are starting to be common, lately I'm more intro decentralized ones, like bisq; the only drawback is that you've got to let their app open for transactions to take place, but that's a fair price to pay for decentralization.
Yeah Cryptopia is a mess.
I hope they can move forward and resolve any issues they might be facing. I definitely like cryptopia, and have been using it for some time now without any major issues.
Haven’t noticed any issues so far, need to look bit more carefully and maybe move coins off exchange
Yes, they are having withdrawal and deposit issue from months and they don't seem to fix it.
I totally agree with you, this is why I stopped using cryptopia and holding my coins there, once this exchange also get hacked, it will be done. There are lots of good alternatives.
What's with the exchange problems lately - first Bitgrail, then people report problems with HitBTC, now Cryptopia - who's next?
Strange. I’ve had no issues with Topia and made a btc withdrawal just yesterday that took under an hour.
my withdrawal took me two days to proccess
I've been using Cryptopia recently and there were no problems. 
I remember their support was quite fast too. I did have the same problem with HitBTC, I've been waiting for around 2 weeks for my deposit to arrive, also they've charged me a $50 deposit fee. Now I am checking twitter comments and topics here on the forum before making deposits to any exchange. All of them rob people all the time, support is useless, the future is behind decentralized exchanges anyway.
I remember their support was quite fast too. I did have the same problem with HitBTC, I've been waiting for around 2 weeks for my deposit to arrive, also they've charged me a $50 deposit fee. Now I am checking twitter comments and topics here on the forum before making deposits to any exchange. All of them rob people all the time, support is useless, the future is behind decentralized exchanges anyway.
Thanks man for the heads up. I have an account with them and used them few weeks ago without any problem but I guess I'm also quite lucky like you. I'd stay away from them for the time being until they resolve these issues. An article regarding their different wallets not being updated has been published in some website (let me check the link for it) and it appears that they are also unable to provide support in their wallets (regarding important updates). This is quite alarming and they should address this appropriately and accordingly.
Is there any problem with cryptopia right now? Ive made a trade last month and it went fine. I dont know if they are having issues this week
You're right that there have been some serious issues with cryptopia lately, but at the end of the day they are a NZ registered organization so the liklihood of an exit scam is low.. unless the owner wants to fly off and retire in Thailand.
Cryptopia is not in a good place right now. I'd imagine they're having an overwhelming amount of new issues because, as you may know, their fiat funding just got cut.
Their main bank took them off suddenly. And Cryptopia had to scramble to make the announcement and give off some discounts in trading.
But yeah so they're suddenly getting used to crypto only, and their funding isn't there... so they're dealing with mass amounts of panic and withdrawals because people can't withdraw in fiat anymore.
I'm pretty sure they didn't have enough crypto to cover all the sudden crypto withdrawals en masse.
So it's basically a critical time. I'm glad I left cryptopia before the banking emergency came about. But I still have a little PBL there unfortunately.
Their main bank took them off suddenly. And Cryptopia had to scramble to make the announcement and give off some discounts in trading.
But yeah so they're suddenly getting used to crypto only, and their funding isn't there... so they're dealing with mass amounts of panic and withdrawals because people can't withdraw in fiat anymore.
I'm pretty sure they didn't have enough crypto to cover all the sudden crypto withdrawals en masse.
So it's basically a critical time. I'm glad I left cryptopia before the banking emergency came about. But I still have a little PBL there unfortunately.
Cryptopia has been having a ton of issues lately, particularly with withdrawals. I tried withdrawing about 0.15 btc a few days ago, only for the dreaded "withdrawal processing" to come up on my account for about a day. I wondered why this was, since all of the other exchanges I use (bittrex, binance, kucoin) process withdrawals fairly quickly. Apparently I was not the only having issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptopia/
I went on the reddit page and read multiple horror stories of how people haven't been able to withdraw their funds for weeks. I guess I was lucky to be able to withdraw after about a day. I've heard that they've also been having issues with their banking relationships.
It really scared me when I realized that my funds, might be stuck on the exchange for a long time, like it happened to many other people. I will never be using the exchange again. I highly advise others to not use Cryptopia either.
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