Topic: I spoken with very old and smart person. About economy and future (Read 490 times)

The assertion that Russia is not trying to take over the West, or at least actively influence it in its own interests, is absolutely false. It is also not true that Russia does not create its own enclaves in neighboring states.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia with its tanks, resulting in the creation of Russian-controlled South Ossetia and Abkhazia on its territory. On the territory of sovereign Moldova, with the active assistance of Russia, the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic was created, which destabilizes the situation there and prevents Moldova from integrating into the union with Europe. Russia's military invasion of Ukraine in 2014 led to the creation on the territory of Ukraine of the so-called DPR and LPR, completely controlled by Russia.

In the first days of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia put forward a demand for the West not to help Ukraine and to curtail NATO to its 1997 state. Russia periodically threatens many European countries with war, and these threats would be quite real if it seized the territory of Ukraine. Now Putin, as a condition for peace negotiations with Ukraine, demands that it withdraw its troops from four of its regions, including from territories that it has not yet occupied. That is, we are talking about a direct territorial seizure of the territories of a neighboring state.

Yes, Russia has almost always tried to resolve its domestic and foreign policy issues through intimidation, blackmail and the use of brute military force. That is why it has many territories captured by force, in which about a hundred different nations and nationalities live. But all artificially created empires fall apart sooner or later. It seems that such a time is coming for Russia too. She herself hastened her downfall by attacking Ukraine. Having failed to achieve its initial plans to quickly seize the territory of Ukraine, Russia is now directing all its resources to ensure a war of conquest, sharply reducing all other economic projects and aggravating all internal contradictions to the limit. The central power of the Kremlin is weakening, and the national liberation movements of its colonies are strengthening. Many peoples of Russia, as well as neighboring states that still experience the strong influence of the “big brother,” are praying for Ukraine to win. After all, this gives them a chance for freedom and independent development.

OK, let's see whether Putin and Jinping's plan will run smoothly or not.
I think they need time to realize their plans.
Currently there are so many riots going on in the world, without realizing whether this plan is one of the causes of this 

Putin's Russia is now speculating on the topic of world war and the use of nuclear weapons. Having attacked Ukraine and trying to seize its territory, the Kremlin constantly threatens any state that tries to help Ukraine defend its freedom and independence. Putin and his entourage want no one to stop them from committing genocide in Ukraine, robbing and killing the civilian population of this country. But as the international criminal Putin and his accomplices want, it won’t happen. The world has already seen that to give in to Putin once, and then you will have to give in indefinitely, since he regards any concessions as a sign of weakness and therefore his appetite only increases from this.
Therefore, it is logical that the confrontation will reach some high point and then either defuse in some way or develop into a big war comparable to a world war.

I cannot give you an accurate answer about what Russia is doing in its colonies because I have no confirmed information and therefore I cannot make a comparison with the colonial reality in other countries. At the same time, I can assure you that there is a great delusion that many believe, which is that colonial empires (France, Britain, and others) have brought civilization and prosperity to the colonies they occupy. This is definitely nonsense. I will not tell you about my country, which remained a French colony for more than 70 years, nor about its colonization of Algeria for more than 130 years, nor about the various empires that have colonized and are still colonizing the entire African continent. Rather, I will invite you to see the urbanization achieved by those colonies and review the statistics related to the country’s economy and financial policies during and after the colonial era. In fact, how can we talk about a civilization carried by a colonizer on the back of a tank? Is this meaningful?

I can't tell you about China. But I can definitely tell you what "liberation" by Russian hands looks like. "Excellent examples" - DMR, Abkhazia, DNR, LNR. The only thing Russia "liberated" these territories from is from peaceful life, from life, from prospects, from the future. Having given them degradation, extinction, meanness, abomination ...

A counter question about the "colonies" of France, Britain and other countries. Tell me - what besides civilization and development they brought "bad" to the colonies ? The fact that now, having obtained freedom, someone pays taxes to them is a personal problem of the GOVERNMENT of these countries. And the people who chose such a government. And what do you think Russia has given, for example, to those territories that it occupied or "liberated" from the Western vector of development? 

It is unfortunate that this is the state of Europe in the twenty-first century. The continent that ruled the world for centuries has now become a toy in the hands of America, Russia, and China.

There is no one with good intentions in politics. In politics, there are only interests. Therefore, do not think that the policy of the United States towards Europe is better than the policy of China and Russia. Do you think that the United States or Russia and China want to see a strong Europe? Everyone wants a weak Europe.

Superpowers have many ways of colonizing or invading other countries to gain their own interests, such as America and Russia which often show that the military is their main force in dominating the world, while China has a more intelligent strategy in conquering other countries namely using economic, one of which is providing loans that target poor and developing countries and in the end when the country is unable to pay the debt then one by one the strategic assets owned by that country will belong to China and China indirectly owns it power over their economy, as happened in Sri Lanka, Uganda, Kenya and the Maldives right now.

Be wary about going to old people for advice, because while there are some truly intelligent and wise people out there, there are many more biased and illogical fools. Russia and China have been waiting forever for America to stumble, but the fact is their legal and business system is always going to beat the government run system. The dictators that get to the heads of these countries think they are all seeing and all knowing, then try to impose their ideas, whereas much of the momentum in places like America and Europe comes from the people at the bottom. China did do a lot to catch up economically, but this was before Xi Dickping got into power and started to ruin the country again, making it a much less reliable place to invest as they swing wildly between targeting different sectors depending on who annoyed Dear Leader this morning.

I used captured not seized and technically leased for 99 years which is nothing but taking over the place, and it took over by Chinese government for SL not able to pay the debt of 1.3bn or 4.5bn because different article claims a different amount but China gave funds as loan to SL and many other countries and they are doing it knowingly those countries can't repay the loan and take over strategical locations throughout the sea routes and if they had enough influence we don't know what they got to deploy.

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i don't know where you got the news that China seized one of the ports in Sri Lanka, because based on a Google search, Sri Lanka leased the port to a Chinese company.

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China claims they are not currently hostile to the USA, they are lying about that, why does China always put pressure on the South China Sea, that is because they want to control Taiwan which in the last few decades has been controlled by the USA, China will continue to push the USA until it is eliminated from control world economy even though it is impossible.

if we look at China's economic growth since they held the revolution then we will be surprised by the results, China has grown extraordinarily and it seems that it will continue to do so for the next few decades, they will continue to strive to become a powerful country like the USA.

China has good virtues though especially in trade but that is not all that they need to take over power from America. Power is not served on a platter of gold, except their is a power shift through if there is new world order perhaps caused by WW3 but even with that America will not seat back without fighting back. Another challenge that will greet China is language barrier. Mandarin is not widely spoken like English. The major speakers of the language is Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and few other places in batches of population. So language barrier will always be a hindrance if China were to become world power leader.

We all know that these superpowered nations has their own agenda and interests in anything like resources and of course the most popular one is who will be the one to control the world economically and militarily. For me China wants to dethrone the US when it comes to power. Based on my observation in my country China is trying to cripple our economy by funding individuals to distabilize the country. The intels even discovered payroll from China and they are now investigating about it. China's agressive behavior towards it's neighbors is a clear message to all of us to prepare for something we don't like. China is doubling it's efforts to win even in a way that is unconventional and illegal.

With the way things are, I think the only thing China and Russia need to do is to play the waiting game and the West will self destroy itself, if they continue on this destructive path. I have issue with China dethroning America has the world power because of centralisation of power in the country and they are likely going to spread it across the world with time, but I think China has this good virtues of taken their time, they will continue to wait for the best time that America will be powerless to save itself from the inevitable

China trapped many countries with their debts and took over their strategic locations and the recent example that I know is they captured Sri Lanka's port and other places for not being able to pay the debt so this isn't anything new. And the western countries are already collapsing without doing any thing from the outside so the shift in power is expected in the next few years and its a known fact.

Russia can gradually be written off from the category of economically and technologically powerful countries in the world with great military potential. Now in Ukraine its military power is being destroyed at a rapid pace and Putin’s Russia is forced to direct its economic potential into the military sphere, while exposing the financing of everything else that is not related to the war against Ukraine. Having attacked Ukraine, Putin counted on a quick victory and now cannot come out of this war with dignity, which turned out to be a war of depletion of its resources against the resources of the Western world, including the United States. It is already quite obvious that Russia is losing in this confrontation. After the war with Ukraine, Russia will emerge weakened, with a undermined economy, high inflation and high prices. Of course, if it remains a single state at all, of which there are serious doubts. Ukraine may bury Russia’s former power forever.

As for China, this country always takes into account its interests. China is now helping Russia a little and behind the scenes in order to then, without war, seize its territories, which it has long considered its own, and not only these territories. This process has actually already begun and Putin has no choice but to come to terms with it.

China and Russia, right? As you advise, they use patience and economic manipulation rather than force. Interesting, but Western economies are resilient. The U.S. and its allies face challenges - who doesn't? However, these economies have adapted well. Is it realistic to expect them to collapse and seek help from their enemies? Economic connection is intricate. China and Russia may appear ready, but the global economy isn't chess. Players have different techniques and goals in this ever-changing puzzle.

Putin's judo strategy:“let the enemy crash himself”; sounds smart, no? Does the West also play long? Western societies, typically considered less strategic, have strengths. Innovation, technical advancement, and reinvention are real. Regarding the economic crisis, China and Russia may help financially, but at what cost? Remember that aid typically has strings. Western nations have financial experience. Borrowing, reorganizing, innovating, and partnering are options. Do you think they're more than chess pieces on a board?

Please accept my answer without offense. I will give arguments...
To begin with, I would like to quote one phrase: “wisdom does not always come with age”...

And the speech of your friend you quoted confirms this perfectly.
Let's start with the main thing. Who will Russia and China “feed”?
Russia is a country of deep degradation of what it inherited from the USSR, what was created by all 15 republics. She just received it all as a gift. Russia today is a technologically backward country, with a policy of terror and global lies. And Putin is not a judo master, but an ordinary cheap, cowardly criminal from the St. Petersburg gateway. The country's economy is resource-based, and now these resources are only effectively sold “on paper”.
Peaceful solutions for Russia? Are you telling me, a resident of Ukraine, where Russia brought the “Russian world” back in 2014, destroying hundreds of thousands of citizens of my country, thousands of cities and villages, just because the “great judoka” has problems with brain activity and off-scale complexes?

China is a country with an export-oriented economy. And it receives the main influx of profit... from Western countries. And it is they who form the majority of foreign currency receipts, I emphasize - stable currency, to the Chinese budget. That is why, when mismanagement in China led to the economic problems that we can now see, China came to bow to the United States, so that the United States would allow China to essentially survive.


I am sure that your friend does not read open sources with real information, but loves Russian “news” - and everything is really fine there in Russia. And they “together with China will defeat the capitalists” 

The best advice is to give him the TRUTH, open sources, let him open his eyes, otherwise he will live the rest of his life with terrible cognitive dissonance

It's because that they still have a long life to live on and has got longer years of stay here. And listening to an old man about the future about economy, he's seen what's happening in the world. Take good life advices and news that you might refer while looking at the performance of your country's economy.

Better or much preferred to say about the young professionals. Because the real young ones don't care at something like this, economics? What the heck is that, that will be their reaction.

But as for the young professionals, they are more conscious these days with global economy.

Actually, when it comes to this, I think there is no age limit, because a person's expertise in economic analysis cannot be measured by age even though the difference may be experience. But in this case the focus of the discussion is on the economy, even though in it it cannot be separated from politics, especially if it concerns countries that are strong in economics and politics.

But I agree that it is now the younger generation who will feel directly about the economy in the future. So as young people we should not close our eyes to the current situation, even if we do not understand at least we know what is going on.

How about the news about Xi Jinping telling that he's not an enemy against the USA and they're friends?

• Xi Says China Seeks to Be Friends With US, Won’t Fight ‘Hot War’
• Xi says U.S. and China can only be adversaries or partners, with no middle ground

IMHO, with these three that are mainly becoming 2 vs 1 match up. Well, obviously this politics can make us think about wider things. Whilst we're thinking about tanking and recovering economies, we probably didn't expected some resort like this to come.

In summary, all of them plays vital role to each other and their societies and economies and I like it better to compete economically rather than showing off these weapons that are just giving fear to everyone.

This man’s talk included politics, some theories from the Cold War, and some crazy ideas, but there was no political presentation or analysis of matters or market reality, especially in markets like oil, in which politics, in addition to supply and demand, plays a pivotal role.
I see that human's desire to obtain cheap energy makes them develop innovations. The need for energy increased, so he discovered fire, then coal, internal combustion engines, gas, oil, and hydrogen. Who knows what the energy source of the future might be, but the only evidence is that the oil industry will continue for the next 20 years and that there is enough of oil and its price would be cheap.

It's a globalized world. What happems in the West affects the East and vice-versa. If the western economy crashes down, China will also suffer, because they profit from exportations to the West. If the West can't import from China, their economy is going to ruin as well. If that is Putin's plan, that is a dumb plan.

I think what makes more sense for the East is to expect the West is going to fall, not economically, but socially and culturally. That is actually already happening as we watch the development of new generations. It's a society composed by weak individuals, ready to become slaves of a dominant force. On this aspect the East is still tougher and less influenced by celebrities, medias and hypes, although totally opressed by tyrannous governments.

You gain a couple insights from talking to old people and those that have experienced a lot. But if you want progress, an updated outlook in life and the economy, as well as a contemporary take on things, I think the best people to ask are the younger audiences.

It could be tempting to ask old regular joes about the state of the market and how it could affect the future that we have in this industry but I don’t care for a retired person’s opinion. They know little about how the world works now cause they’ve got the goods and are living pretty comfortably now, while it’s us young folks who’s bearing the brunt of the blow.

From my understanding, China and Russia is not trying to take over the west. What they want to do is to free the other regions of the world from the enclave the west has on them. A typical example being that the francophone countries paying tax to France. This has been going on for decades. The French impoverish these regions of the world by stealing their resources to enrich their own country and leaving these nations to die of poverty. And on top of that they tax these nations. Let's not even talk about the US.
This is more than just about oil or economics. It is more about pulling down the stronghold of the west. Maybe we are already witnessing World War III happening.

While I doubt we will get to the point of another world war, as all governments know very well this will entail the use of nuclear weapons and the destruction of society as we know it, at the same time it is obvious that countries like China and Russia do not like their current station and they want to improve it, will they succeed? No one really knows but we can clearly see they are trying and I foresee this will continue for decades to come.

None of this is for definite, its better to look at what all nations share in common which is the ability to fail.  Nobody is immune and is able to just wait for an enemy to make a mistake while they make none.   Russia and China both have big troubles in various ways while being very powerful nations no doubt.


Russia's oil requires investment and they just lost alot of capital, resources, people and technology from starting a pointless war.  What occurred was a mistake and Russia is worse off now no doubt by their own hand they did this for the prospect of quite little  gains.   Russia as a whole is massive, good management of what they already posses is far more important then the small amount in balance by capturing the rest of Ukraine terrority.  Even if success of that war did occur it would come with resistance from neighboring countries for decades, it would not be a simple gain but a liability also.   Every business in the world has an account of both assets and liabilities, only a dictator would consider just a singular view of gains and it doesnt work.   Russia has a much better future then just under one persons vision, I hope they will find it.

From my understanding, China and Russia is not trying to take over the west. What they want to do is to free the other regions of the world from the enclave the west has on them. A typical example being that the francophone countries paying tax to France. This has been going on for decades. The French impoverish these regions of the world by stealing their resources to enrich their own country and leaving these nations to die of poverty. And on top of that they tax these nations. Let's not even talk about the US.
This is more than just about oil or economics. It is more about pulling down the stronghold of the west. Maybe we are already witnessing World War III happening.

Its like more or less taking winning sides and moving further with their development. Have you ever seen how China has taken sides of various countries. To develop a strategic location for import and export they tried to exchange the deal with Sri Lanka, later they also had many dealings with Pakistan with the intention to crush Indian dealings by forcing them to attack India too.

Everything had one point in common, China wanted to have long running plan to crush emerging countries around and make money out of it. I mean its like if you cant win the race then just end the competitors. Isnt it?

Thats the smell we are seeing here. The Putin and China, deadly combination ever. One is strongest player while other is strategic partner. Definitely the duo can take things to next level or just destroy the entire plan.

These two countries are quite strong enough. Whether in every situation or in every field they are quite strong. But I have noticed one thing in them that they almost work hard in each and every field like I can say China's people are far good and far better than the people who are in Russia. But the government of Russia has some settlements out there in the next coming days and we would see that very soon.

While Russia and China's cooperation may appear to be a united front against the US, it's essential to question the underlying motives. Is it a genuine partnership built on shared values and goals, or merely a strategic alliance aimed at challenging US dominance? The answer likely lies somewhere in between. Both countries stand to gain from their collaboration, whether it's economic benefits, political influence, or simply the ability to counterbalance American power.

However, the consequences of this geopolitical competition extend far beyond the ambitions of these major players. Innocent civilians often bear the brunt of the conflict, becoming pawns in a larger game of power. The ongoing war in Ukraine serves as a stark reminder of the human cost of these geopolitical rivalries.

That's actually just advice from parents. and that is the true meaning of parents as people who truly understand the direction and purpose of a journey. Yes. You get the right person to analyze an incident. However, the level of truth may not be 100% absolute like the Cypto market because the market can sometimes change at any time.

This is more of a competition for these world powers, they'll want to flex their muscles with how many alliances that backs their structures. They'll want to show support for their allies when the need arises, to show the other opponents that they're leading in dominating and subtly controlling certain affairs in their allied nations. Other nations are at the mercy of choosing sides so they'll be in the good book of their preferred candidate. Or else they're on there own if a stronger force preys on their territory, especially one that is backed by a world power.

Op, maybe you are just looking in one direction, and those things also happen, but not on a general scale, because of the pull towards a certain side, towards Russia and China.
But the current problem is that, in terms of economics, both Russia and China have been preparing for a long time and are even ready for long-term conflict. But we also need to look at China's pragmatism, as they never give it away for free, and rather their approach is extremely cunning and smart. Fuel and money are the immediate things that many people think about, but that doesn't mean they need help. Personally, I don't like conflicts, but perhaps they can't be avoided as the complexity grows.

Everyone moves for their own interests. Likewise with every country in the world. Economic competition currently continues to occur between western and eastern countries. But for now the western economy still seems to dominate. But even so, currently I personally see that economic growth in eastern countries is actually growing no less quickly. Even in my country, although in the middle west, there is an economic crisis. In fact, here inflation can be overcome more quickly. Some wars are violent and some are subtle, such as through economics and so on. And so also in colonialism. There are countries that colonize by going to war and there are those that colonize by controlling a country's economic sector. You definitely know which countries implement this. But this will continue to happen. So we shouldn't be surprised. My country has good relations with both parties. Be it the US and Russia and even China. And I hope everything will be well forever. Because I don't like conflict and war. I don't care, they had a cold war a long time ago. As long as it doesn't disturb peace in other countries. But a cold war is much better than a direct war.

Yes, these countries are strong economically, technologically and have quite high military strength, but in an international situation like this I notice that it is only a competition of global powers, but on the other hand I am also worried about the impact on world peace.

Enmity between the US and Russia has been going on for a long time, and China has become America's biggest enemy in the middle. China advances relations with those with whom the US government builds good relations, or China supports the opposite country that the US supports. American products are banned outright in China and as far as I know Chinese government officials are completely banned from using Apple products. In the war situation between Ukraine and Russia, America directly took the side of Ukraine, on the contrary, China helped Russia. Russia, China, America, these three countries are economically and technologically powerful countries in the world and the military forces of these three countries are strong enough and their military budgets are high enough.

Is that true ? Because so far I have seen from many local news that Russia will not help the US and Europe and other western countries as long as the US continues to support the war in the Middle East and continues to provide assistance for the ongoing war. I am more confident in cooperation between Russia and China in any matter, including economic matters, but for other western countries that still have one voice with the US, I think Russia and China will not support it as long as the US continues to facilitate war in the Middle East and also in Russia itself.

My point is that russia got money by oil and china got allready USD and eur.
So both the russia and china will help Western countries with money since the money printer has limits USA and Europe might get some help from russia

National interests will inevitably arise when a military conflict escalates over time, but the problems we have witnessed since the war between Russia and Ukraine partly reflect the divide between the two world powers.

But to be honest with China, I have never really felt the honesty of their foreign policy on a global level, they can be very roundabout or express direct confrontational views with any side any. Obviously, their current position gives them a much greater voice on a global scale. Most recently, with the tense developments in Myanmar, I have learned from some sources that both the US and China are supporting civil conflicts in this country. There are more and more military hot spots in the world, and there are also many speculations about WW3, so it can be believed that war is inevitable for the re-establishment of order and restructuring economic development.

Sometimes it's hard to simply trust the truth, but in fairness, I believe in what you said—that there is no way that each of them has pure intentions. It may also be true that each country that has been mentioned actually has its own intentions or motives.

Now, maybe they're just doing that for a temporary reason; maybe they're just waiting for good timing; maybe they're your alliance now, but one day they could be your enemy; that could really happen.

I must say that it is so difficult to understand what you wrote in the whole message as you didn't make it simple and readable and I don't seem to understand what you meant by the low rates of the US giving them the undue advantage over Russia and China. What is "not" given China and Russia their undue advantage and where were they when the US was building its relation with the world and using their resources fairly for the common good of man?

Your preferred countries are always taking the backseat and you are here believing that the US will be sidelined with time? Well, no one knows tomorrow, not even you and I, let's just wait and see what happens even as the two countries try.

Politics could be surprising, and who you think is an ally today could be an enemy tomorrow, and who you think is an enemy today could be a friend tomorrow. You can't also underestimate the economic and military power of the US and NATO nations, they are studying carefully the situation even more than you a commoner are and will always act appropriately both internally and externally.

I don't see the table turning against the US in the long run, they are too rigid for that.

The relationship between the United States, China, and Russia is complex and constantly evolving. The balance of power and influence in the world is constantly changing and it is difficult to predict how it will ultimately play out. However, it is clear that the actions and decisions of these three countries will have important implications for the global system and the rest of the world. Although the United States has historically been the dominant world power, its influence is waning and it faces increasing competition from China and Russia. However, it remains to be seen how much China and Russia can challenge the US individually or in alliance with each other. A key factor in this dynamic is the role of middle powers such as European countries in helping to maintain the current world order. These countries have their own interests and objectives, and their decisions will affect the global balance of power. Ultimately, the future of the United States, China, and Russia and their influence on the world stage is uncertain. Their actions and interactions will continue to shape the global system. This can result in a complex economic situation, and the outcome is difficult to predict.

I agree with the notion that the West will self destroy if they continue on this path, I believe the West is getting weak, especially with their policies on immigration, why are they not encouraging their Citizens to give birth to more children rather than import immigrants from outside, this is very dangerous. To me if America will collapse it doesn't need China and Russia, both just need to play the waiting game and the collapse will definitely comes just like Roman Empire. Americans have it all and are full, and they are not producing real men to lead the future, just look at what they are clamouring for, Gay rights, Abortion, Trans etc. things that is devilish. Greed is another thing that is killing Americas, they want to make money from everything just like the War in Ukraine, all this money sent to Ukraine, more than 50% are for American companies

No one really has clean intentions, whether it's Russia, China, or the US, they all want to have complete control. When this process occurs it will become increasingly difficult to filter out which ones can really help other countries get out of the crisis. There is always a hidden intention to strengthen the economic system. The cold war that has been going on for a long time will gradually cause innocent victims. OK, Russia and China are indeed working together, but is this cooperation just an excuse to create power against the US or to show the world that the era of US success is starting to approach the threshold?

What was the role of other countries that did not participate in this cold war? save yourself or determine your position in an alliance that is considered strong and capable of overthrowing one of your opponents? or choose to build strength during this competition of three warring nations.

This what he said china and russia can not take west by Force and they know that USA low rates and oil sales have given power to USA build world strongest military.
But what they do is together with china and russia they wait and help for Western countries collapse.
Then they the russia and china will offering the funds to help out and then Putin and china will laugh at West as usa NATO tought they Will foolisly use war but not instead of using brutal Force to make war the Putin is old judow martail arts he knows the old method " LET the enemy crash himself " and that works Western society people are not Strong in their minds and not learning chess game and don't have stradegy but Putin and china have peceful solution.
China and Putin waiting for economic chaos also they help it happens as much they could then they say ...we give you help and Western society countries don't have any other ways they will have to borrow to survive becouse they can not print money much on their own.
China Will Even give low rates Putin have also good money from oil profit he can help Western societies out with money aswell.
So that's the plan Putin and china waiting when Western countries asking help and Putin and china will help very likely.