Topic: I sure do miss the GLBSE (Read 3776 times)

hi thanks for the link, it was where i could have requested help to recover my assets but the thread is now closed. I lost my shares I guess. I do not know why they did not contact me Nefario gave my e-mail and payment address to all my other issuers so Its a mystery to me? reg

I didn't hold any of these assets, but I thought the threads for each of them said all the shareholders were paid back? Let me see if I can find a link ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1472338
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1472331

Hopefully that helps.

well I have the thread all to myself now!

So as is common with all "mad" people I will continue to elicit a response:

The owners of asset tickers: silver, and gold on glbse were informed by Nefario on 12/12/2012 of their share holders.

I had shares in these assets but have not been contacted by them?.  If they or anyone who knows who they were, would they contact me. I would be very grateful. regards reg.

hi, one more issuer has stepped up to the plate!. thanks. So I will go ahead now and list those that haven't although not yet as scammers because I have just learned Nefario is issuing several lists and that may be the reason for delays?. So I have recovered about 80% of my investment so far and I think that is par for the course -so far. Some though have not recovered any! so I will keep posting and if others do the same we end up with a good idea of who is honest and who is not. That has to be the way forward in a new world of trust as opposed to written contracts. reg.

thanks I have pm'd one I found several times but they have not replied to my mail . several others seem to have similar tickers but without knowing what Nefario knows (their original contact address I am in the dark. will keep trying though. reg.

I think for assets that have not listed on BTCTC, BitFunder, or Cryptostocks your best bet is going to be finding their respective threads and asking questions.

Cheers.

yes of course thanks- I had a look but nothing? can't seem to get a response from anyone- seems a good tactic? reg.

ps, not used to this detective work can you tell me how to access "spam folders"? I checked scammers and Nefario has a large section but spam? I cant find it? reg.

Thank you for your suggestion, unfortunately none of the shares listed are those that I am missing. I haven,t yet trawled the spam folders but will do so today to see if anything comes up. regards reg

If you see any assets on BTC-TC (https://btct.co/) that you had shares in and have not been able to claim, please PM me the name of the asset and your GLBSE email address.  I can search through the import logs by email address and re-send any introduction emails that may have been missed.

Cheers.

Have you checked spam folders very carefully? At least some recipients of emails from transplanted securities have found their correspondence there.

Thats why I waited two months so I am surprised others have still not been notified. Thanks for the information.  I never tried to contact Nefario direct so do not know about blocking? However most of the people I had shares with were on that list and have not contacted me?. I am reluctant to give up the shares and dividends but either we have a trust based system or not!. Why should some "opportunists" just take BTC's and carry on as if they had a right to take advantage? Isn't that the system we want to replace not copy?. I can accept some were not informed or delays because it was badly done. I can't accept theft because that is what it is and I will wait and then list the names of the companies I had shares with and have not contacted me even though I know they have been informed of my contact by nefario and we will see if the community wants to continue investing with them!. reg.

I am not sure if all the asset issuers received shareholder lists by that date? It seems Nefario was very slowly doing these things one at a time. Evoorhees in the FZB thread just said he still has not received any information about shareholders.

By the way, I tried to send Nefario a PM, and it said he had blocked me. Is it just me, or has he blocked everybody from sending him PMs?

That's not likely going to cut it.

Sadly we have a separate board for scam accusations. Even sadder is that it's a hoppin' place.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

ok thanks, I was trying to avoid that but here goes:

WOULD ALL THOSE ASSET ISSUERS NOTIFIED BY NEFARIO ON 12/12/2012 CONTACT THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AND UPDATE THEM ON THE STATUS OF THEIR SHARE HOLDINGS

I will wait and see if I get contacted (five companies) and if not list them here as unreliable. reg.

Scammer accusations occasionally get a response where polite requests fail.

hi trying to get a response from anyone about this:

slightly lost the plot!!!

can anyone clarify my position as a previous shareholder of companies listed on glbse?

I know nefario released shareholder names to "companies" on the 12th december 2012. Since then, three I held shares with have contacted me and upheld their contracts/ dividends but five have not?.

Do I just wait and hope they will come forward? or do I name them and hope shame them into a reaction of sorts (even an acknowledgement would help)?

Or do I ask others in the same situation to band together to find a solution?

Or is there already a place this is happening?

How do the documents here help shareholders (of companies not contacting their shareholders?)exactly and will a resolution of that data resolve shareholders concerns?  Any clarification would be helpful. reg.

ok so I posted the question to the thread originator but got no reply- so re-posting as I am unwilling to just let this and my btc's go. reg


I don't think I am the only one who is not happy with many guy's holding btc,s that are not theirs and just not contacting their shareholders? can you advise a course of action to elicit any response at all since if there is no trust there is no future for btc! reg

Everyone always seems to forget about Havelock -- https://www.havelockinvestments.com

Maybe because it's quite a bit harder to list there than other exchanges?

As much as people don't like Popescu, I feel like the MPEx is the best one because he knows what he's doing. Meh, you don't have to like the guy, as long as he does a good job, right?

Burnside, discussing GPG usefulness in different situations with spammer mircea popescu's lapdog, is close to pointless. She is so overexcited about her own voice and writings and too egocentric to actually generate an original thought on subject at hand. Like a typical PR fluff and spammer, she just regurgitates what she is told - zero understanding of the fundamentals.

You know what... sometimes I almost agree with that scumbag and sadistic woman beater (yes, he brags about it in IRC) mircea popescu - most of you are way too stupid to even be allowed to use a PC with out a proper supervision. (No, I actually think only select few are that stupid <- you see, I am a nice guy actually... LOL)

Using mpex is not a sign of intelligence. Sending you money to that fucktard is actually showing the opposite.

BTW, mpoe-prbs, is also a know spammer, like that pompous master of hers.
So, we have 2 arrogant fuckwits, mircea and his pr clown, with criminal tendencies who tell repeatedly to BTC community how stupid and retarded you all are. Never mind, that romanina horse thieve uses GPG on his bazaar... I guess you are all OK now.
 
Lets not forget that his The Mirce Popescu bazaar (what a narcissist!) was/is using illegally obtained "USA only" TLD....no problem, he uses GPG, everything is OK. LOL

And lets not forget the fact that old spammer and a shit peddler mircea popescu pays to that snotty pr-fluff of his to yap here 24/7.

Mircea also likes to leave an impression he has background in finances (the way he answers, if asked by noobs in IRC). No, he has not. He made some money with spamming and now likes to think he is something truly special. BTW, this is very typical behaviour for a sociopaths with a horse thieve mentality.

Funny fact is, only reason anyone pays any attention to that loser, is his one stock wonderbazaar. What if evoorheese understands one day what a fuck-up popescu really is and moves sdice from mpex? Puff... and this empty gas bag falls over. He can go back to spamming and selling porn.

I'm not suggesting that you had malice like Pirate. You are making your investors whole. It is a commendable thing, and it shows a lot of integrity. I put your name out there with Pirate's because you were problematic in different ways.

As I understand it your problem was that you tried to be a clever fund manager at a time when most of what was available to include in a fund was toxic junk. You tried to do the best you could in an environment which was overpopulated with bad information, and the two things you needed not to leave the market did. Maybe you could have structured the fund better by fixing the ratios of shares between the NYAN.X's, but that is an optimization problem which probably would have still been rendered moot by the collapses of Pirate and GLBSE.

You aren't in my post because you are a villian, but because you were a victim. A victim who through a deficit of knowledge eagerly positioned themselves such that they would be making their investors whole out of their own pockets in the midst of on of bitcoin's more stable bull runs.

I think your silver fund will do better. You are taking a simpler structure and tying your business to an asset with volatile yet intrinsic value. I won't be joining your fund at this time because when I invest in metals I always take delivery, preferring Ye Olde Pawnshop to serve as my exchange of choice. I don't know much about metals funds, but it seems like it would be hard for the silver to lose its value because Nefario runs away with the records.

You are Icarus falling from the sky after the easy bitcoin security industry melted, while Pirate is Pol Pot depopulating Cambodia. Very different stories, but both cautionary tales. People have to watch so that Pol Pot (Pirate) doesn't genocide everybody's money, but they also have to watch their own egos lest they fall from the sky like you did last year.

Please don't compare me to pirate. Comparing me to Pirate is very unfair given what I actually did. I stepped in and paid people who lost money on pirate. For example, Matic Kočevar, the BitBet guy. When pirate folded I paid him over 1,000 BTC. That's a lot of money. I was honest. And now I am paying CPA's assets (NYAN) out of my own pocket.

I paid people back just like everyone else did. In fact I did more, I put my own personal money on the line. Now I am running a new business, TU.SILVER which is enjoying relative success and will soon be worth more than all other precious metals funds in the community combined. Probably time to give it a rest.

Sure little things, maybe somewhat embarrassing public things. I doubt he's going to fold up like Nefario did, or pull a bet Mathew's.

I'm sure in time he'll miss finance stuff, too. He has to.

Yes it does, but thankfully it happens outside of finance. Bitcoin doesn't need MP to be a jurist or a hardware engineer, so I can easily forgive if he has some misses here and there. We need him to be the capable financier he is though or we'd be stuck with nothing but Usagi and Pirate all of the way down.

As they say, egg happens.

I find it kind of endearing. I reserve some degree of skepticism about their comments regarding their direct competitors, but it doesn't tend to be very strong when they carry just a few very strong securities and most other bitcoin securities are pass throughs for MPEX listed businesses or crap.

Trolling is an art form ingrained into the cultural fabric of the internet. Mr. Popescu has embraced it as a marketing strategy and it doesn't seem to be doing him poorly. There's some egg on his face from the Rota experiment and if BFL ever ships a bit more. I find that overshadowed for the most part by the number of people on the receiving end of caustic remarks by MPOE-PR, who very clearly merit them. I'm almost half convinced the abrasiveness is part of a cost saving measure to keep idiots out so they don't have to deal with the tech support or intolerable prospectuses.

Leaving aside that on any OS with half-decent permissions "a virus" doesn't really mean much in general, you could trivially set your gpg-signing to a certain dedicated userspace and a large part of the problem is solved (even if someone manages to install a keylogger on your usual account it won't do much). As far as I know the gpg ring is encrypted, so simple access to the files without the passphrase is not much help either.


Actually plenty do. What's it take, an old laptop and a qr reader? That's a 10 Bitcoin budget, they've already spent more than that to get the account in the first place.


Yeah...well....

Both are compromised to a virus.  The intelligent (paranoid) investor will 2FA it by using an offline computer for signing trades with sneakernet usb sticks for transferring the signed orders.  That's why I used the word convenience up above.  We should take a poll sometime to see how many traders actually do this. 


Good to know.  How does it work?  Just deny two of the same order?  I didn't see a nonce or timestamp in the trade docs.

Cheers.

Do you mean passphrase or actual private key?


Well, you can't replay MPEx orders as it is.


What are you, nuts? GLBSE made something like 3k BTC over the course of its entire lifespan. That's MPOE's take for a week in January. What billions.


Buzz off, scammer. The adults are talking.


Nostalgia, you understand, is a mildewy regret for one's own youth sprayed over one's memories. People were nostalgic for Stalin for crying out loud.

Nefario did fuck-all to GLBSE development wise after 2.0 and the site ran as slow as fuck. He was also a retard when it came to finance.

picostocks.com is just getting going too

There is also http://bitfunder.com/

Think this is the biggest set back for MPEX, if they got ride of the PR person I would use them. That and the rumors of illegal activities on the same server as the exchange. If I was the owner of MPEX I would hire a new PR person, it has cost them more money then she/he is worth I can promise you that.

On the contract side of things, a lot of issuers have been seeing push-back from the mods on btct.co.  It's forced them to improve their contracts, and the site supports full basic prospectus input that can be edited over time separately from the contract.  On the issuer side we have detailed info on what to put into each of the fields, so in theory if the issuer answers all the questions at the end you have a much better picture than you used to with GLBSE assets.  Check out https://btct.co/create for an idea of what I'm talking about.  I don't think we'll ever get to full-on MPEx style contracts for everyone, but the goal is to provide the tools so that an outstanding issuer can shine.

I can also assure you that btct.co is no bitcoinica/clone/bootstrap/ripoff/whatever.  The features provided ensure that any issues the site has will have minimal impact on end users and issuers.  It has taken nearly 6 months of evenings and weekends to write and I've been creating sites for the better part of the last 15 years.  You won't see a lot of graphics though, as graphic design is a skill that I absolutely do not have.  

I do miss GLBSE too though!  Mostly because of all my coins and assets that went *poof* when it shutdown.  

Contract wise (even though I don't really agree with the operator(s), but that also didn't keep me from mining at Eligius...) and transparency wise MPEX is unfortunately the only place that can shine. They release statements regularly, have contracts that consist of more than "Check out the forum thread at X" and even though the UX is horrible, they manage to keep their site alive and their users trading.

All in all (as much hate Nefario has gotte over time) I miss GLBSE not because of it's interface (I used it already when it was a command line application... *shudder*) but because at least before the GLBSE 2.0 times it was easy and possible to have features implemented that you might want to have, they have never been hacked and even after they suddenly went big Nefario tried his best (up to the stage of burn out) to make sure it was constantly improved.

On the other hand he took some quick and sometimes harsh decisions (Goat...) on his own which a bit conflicted with his general image - nobody gives a damn if MPOE-PR spews bile and swears at any new potential start-up because that's kinda expected from her. Nefario however was kinda expected to be some kind of nice old grandpa that silently watches over his thriving stock exchange and smiling + nodding all the time while on the other hand improving both the backend and the frontend at the same time, since he anyways earned millions (MILLIONS!) with all that trading going on...

Still I miss GLBSE, the current markets look rather like the next Bitcoinica (done over a weekend) to me and I for sure am not going to trust them with any serious amount of coin.

I agree that MPEX is probably the most secure.  Not because of the GPG signing of trades, but because of the manual withdrawals and the fact that it's been around longer.

In general I think GPG authenticated trading is going to be less secure than Google Authenticator / Yubikey 2FA authenticated trading because for convenience you usually have your GPG keys stored somewhere on your desktop where viruses may be able to get at it.

GPG in general also has no replay attack prevention, whereas Google Authenticator and Yubikey both are time based and you can expand on the built-in time based replay prevention by storing the key and denying use of the same key twice in the window during which the key is valid.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  (wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last!)

I'll also add a +1 for coinbr.com, bitfunder.com, and btct.co.

Cheers.

Depending on what you are looking to trade on MPEx, CoinBr might provide it:
 - https://coinbr.com/about

And mine. Although BitFunder is nice too. I downvote cryptostocks.

BTCT.CO has my vote!

There's also bitfunder.com and cryptostocks.com. The community is a little split right now on which one is going to take the lead. All three have strong points. I think at this point it could go either way.

Nice thanks.. Been out of the loop for a second.

https://btct.co/

While MPEX is UX nightmare it is probably the most secure since it uses GPG keys to sign contracts.

Holy smokes trying to understand the Mpex and making my head spin.  Anything as user friendly as the GLBSE out there? or on its way?