Topic: I understood why I do not get merit. (Read 1047 times)

I was just thankful that this past month the issues were about the continuous drop in BTC price and the issue about merit is subsidized, when everyone will stop talking about then it's like a normal thing that some of us doesn't have merit but we keep pushing on being helpful in the forum.

Meta received 8,81% of total sMerit from the 1st of June 2018 onwards, so 91,19% has been awarded to other boards. There are therefore plenty of other awarded sections. Meta probably has some of the most interesting conversations going on, and that attracts higher quality posters probably than boards that are a complete swamp of spam.

The base of it all is still being capable of creating a decent content. Without that capability, it doesn’t matter where you post. Placing a three legged into a race is going to lose wherever you decide to place it.

It seems to me that the best way to get merit is posting in the meta section. A lot of you guys here have merit, everywhere else, I don't see it as much.

1. Always add the original post

Good story! I thought about learning English only after visiting this forum. All new and interesting information first appears in the English threads. So for me, this forum gave another impetus to the development of myself.

Very well written, thank your very much. May I send the text to every "please merit me"-PM please? ;-)

I totally disagree with this line. I am a bounty hunter myself and to be honest I am satisfied with my rank now. Why? cause i know that i'm still lacking knowledge about the whole cryptocurrency in general. There is a saying that knowledge is power which is true but I also believe that manners and good deeds will earn you respect. Try to observe this forum and you will see a lot of posters who are losing their dignity and manners just to earn those precious MERITS. Knowledge + Respect will surely make you a great person and nobody can take that from you.

NOTE: Not only quality post can earn you merits but also a helpful post.

When I was younger, I joined a Karate school ( I didn't respect the style and switched to Wing Chun, but that's another story), and one of the first questions that the instructor asked new members was "Why do you want to learn Karate?", and one of the members replied " I want a black belt". His reponse to that was to take off his belt and give it to the new pupil, and he pointed out that he had achieved his ambition, but it was worth nothing. So many new members here have the same attitude. They want merits just to be able to make worthless posts to earn bounty, and they don't consider the far greater rewards that come from learning a skill. Bitcoin Talk provides a wonderful opportunity for new members to expand their knowledge, and to improve their communication skills. This will stand them in good stead for the rest of their lives. Merit should be an measure of your personal development, and not a ticket to a few scammy coins that probably won't be worth much anyway.

Wearing a black belt won't help you to defend yourself, mastery of Chi Sau will. What good is it to become a Legendary, if you still can't communicate in decent English, or have a working knowledge of Bitcoin.

Actually, it is probably better if you do think about merits right from the start, and not go down the “just keep posting” road without it in mind. Now the idea is not to have merits in your mind like if it were of divine nature. Neither are they something you get in a lottery or raffle that you participate in, with better chances the more you post. Posting one-liner non-contributive posts as if there was no tomorrow will never get you any merit.

I’d rather people did have them in mind, as a feasible (yet scarce) feat, but understanding how your posting habits need to adjust to a better nature and contribution to the forum. It is way better to write less posts with much more thought/research, than being a Forest Gump poster that will eventually either be nuked, or arrive at Forest’s abrupt conclusion: "I’m pretty tired" (of posting jibberish). "Think I’ll go home now" (quit posting and do something else).

Every one wants merits, Specially when you are a bounty hunter just keep posting don't think too much about merits, It will come to you one day. I am a still a newbie too. lets gain education from here and lets share it later. good luck bro.

I don't care about merit now at first hard to accept because I know hard to get it especially if you are not good in English but I already accept it. I think better not to talk about merit.

It is very hard to get merit because your posts must have quality, sense and valueable. For you to recieve merit. And also not everyone will see your post. You need more experiences in btc to learn about it.

I am also hopeful to this one.  I think the expectations of Merit Sources should vary from one rank to another.  You cannot expect superb post from a newbie compare to a full rank member, hence we must extend more grace to the newbies.

Guys, guys, guys! Why is it so much whining about merit? What do you need it for so badly? If you came to this forum to get a communication and to learn something new - you can have it with or without merit, no differense about rank. If you came here to make money - then it should be hard for you to get merit. Yes, before this system you could get rank up just for posting and now you can`t. So what? Life changes, people. There is no "free money" in the world. You want that rank up - you try your best to be useful to the community. And stop complaining, for God`s sake. I`m like 2 weeks on the forum and I got sick already. Noboby going to cancel it anyway, and thanks admins for that.

particularly to the lower-ranked participants that sincerely preference to rank up not only that you're so blessed to emerge as a complete-member prior the merit gadget subsequently we should make bigger some sympathy to them but the information being shared inside the forum is already large in quantity making it tough to begin a specific and original topic. In my case, I striving to have great posts and removing the burden of wondering the way to earn an advantage. however, I can not completely say that I already acquire that nation of thoughts. If you may inquire from me to state five reasons for posting, then I will say that getting a benefit is one among my pinnacle 5

You will receive merits if you make quality posts that benefit other people in the forum.

Merit system is blessing only for those who have created accounts on bitcointalk prior to Dec 2017. They were rewarded merits just because they are old on this forum.
New comers joining this forums now are going to have tough time to get merits, in fact really hard.

Most of  the merits comes from merit sources. They are higher ranked members only but I am sure that they keep in mind the current rank of a member before judging his posts or awarding merits to him.

No doubt, that making a unique post now is a difficult task but it is not that hard. What I have seen is that posts with personal experiences related to crypto or this forum always gets merits.

Partially true but there are people who are in the forum for years and done a lot for the forum. For them only, we are seeing the forum we have now. How about them? They deserved it. Every system starts from some points and feature like merit was needed to protect the forum. Instead of focusing on negativity OP should focus on the good stuffs happening on the forum since the merit has been introduced.

OP really needs to see there are people who started from 0 (like he has now) and achieved 100s of merits. List of members achieved 0 to 100 and plus merits - hope this will give OP and others some encouragements.

PS: Truth is - people like OP will hardly change unless they change their mindset.

Is it just me who think too much talking about 'quality post' with no quality is making 'quality post' shitty?

I don't know what's hard about that. It's like with money, if you got plenty of it, you take it for granted a little bit and start understanding that it doesn't solve all your problems in life (doesn't even solve half of them most of the time), but when you are poor, you always think that when you'll get that "x" amount of money (merit in this case), you'll become a much happier person.

And mostly when you're poor (money, merit, whatever) you just don't do enough in your life to change that.
I guess, I am one of those "shitty posters" you would like to get rid of, and I don't really understand the hate for bounty hunters. How are they harming you? There are a lot of people in need of money and I think it's better that they at least do something to earn some. I am not really experinced in this and don't know how much money can one make with bounties, but what is the harm in trying? Yeah, in ideal world, I would prefer to earn a lot right now, cause I am ambitious person, but I am realist don't really have anything useful to contribute on this forum so far, why can't I start with bounties while learning and one day maybe I'll be good enough to forget about those.
While I think that new rules are very useful for forum, and people with knowledge will still get thir rank up, it's undeniable that a lot of people were just lucky to register here before new system and earn their ranks without real contribution, I believe that's what he is referring to.

What Challenge?

Everyone WAS a newbie once. Why is this excuse? If you think you can do something then just DO! No one cares about anything relates to you unless you prove yourself an important one for them. Try working with your personal development.

When merit was introduced, there were some ways to get merits :

1) Talk good about merits.

2) Ridicule those opposing merit system

3) Make a list of merit abusers

4) Start a thread giving away merits

With time members realized that the intention of these in most cases was to get merits only.

Obviously. Just write them in one post. And if you have anything new to add, edit your last post.

The majority of what you post is redundant answers in SMT (Spam Mega Threads). You will never get any merit if you keep doing this instead of creating relevant content.

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@kriptopsina: see what I did here? answering 2 users in 1 post.

Merits are only for best of the best posers. I have a lot post which is the bestbfor me but yet.no merit. Just do your best and continue high quality posting

Thanks

Can I integrate my answers into one big message?

Thank you very much. You gave me pleasant emotions. I feel and I know that I have something to interest and what to show these assholes with a lot of merit

Well, now you managed to break Commandment number 32 from the Holly Book of Forum rules 4 times in a row.


No soup merit for you!!!

Challenge accepted.
The only thing you are better than me, only the fact that you before I got into the world of crypto currency. This is not a reason for pride.

hmm .... maybe I just do not participate in the bounty and start with another account?

) I think this is some kind of a general plot against me)

You are wrong about me. 1. I'm not complaining but laughing at myself. 2. Before you write this, you should study all my topics and posts. Read at least this  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36289203

But in general, you are right. Inogda want to conduct a dialogue or discussion on the topic, but bounties spammers interfere.

I'm not complaining, and yes, I'm smiling. I will work on myself, I will grow. I finished the courses on the analysis of ISO projects, and I think this is a step to success. Good luck to you.

Good for you!  I think that your attitude and example is commendable.

However, let us not neglect that fact the THE STRUGGLE IS REAL!

Especially to the lower-ranked members that really desire to rank up.  You are so blessed to become a full-member prior the Merit System hence we should extend some sympathy to them.  The information being shared in the forum is already huge in quantity making it difficult (if not impossible) to start an unique and original topic.  

Making it worse for newbies because they only know little stuff and all of their current knowledge come from the forum - how can they start a topic that interests a higher-ranked members (please be reminded that only higher-ranked members can give merit/s)  if what they know are only so-so?.

In my case, I am striving to have quality posts and removing the burden of thinking how to earn a merit.  But I cannot fully say that I already achieve that state of mind.  If you will ask me to state 5 reasons of posting, then I will say that getting a merit is one of my top 5.

The rule will always be true at any odds.
It's just matter of shitposters that they would like to change their minds, their attitude or not.
I agree that you are right, rule#5 has been suggested (or pseudo-suggested) repeatedly all the time by hundreds of forum users, including shit-posters.
It's something like un-necessary to repeat.

It seems to me that the best way to get merit is posting in the meta section. A lot of you guys here have merit, everywhere else, I don't see it as much.

I am not expecting anything at all 

Maybe if the commandments were written in English I could answer that.

OP is on ignore.  Hopefully there's a merit source in the Russian section,and hopefully OP has more writing talent in his native language than he does in English.  There's no way in hell he's going to earn merits if he keeps posting this crap in the main sections, not to mention that this entire thread is just a veiled effort to beg for merit.

These are much better suggestions....that no one except higher-ranked members will ever follow.  Noobs who came here to spam for bounties?  Merit and ranking up are all they care about.  #5 here has been stated repeatedly since January, and it's consistently ignored.  

I'm still waiting for the day that these shitposters give up and go away.  It's a fantasy, I realize, but I'm trying to remain optimistic.

I'm sure that'll still be true at 70 days and 700 days.

It's been around 7 days since you have created this topic and I see you still could not manage to get a single merit. Looking at your post history now - I see you have no intention whatsoever to change your posting habits. You did not actually understood anything.

I'm glad that you marked my originality. And my message is my confession. I still really want to get a merit. But this is not a problem for me, it's just a fact.

Lol, please stop this sort of boring topics like "Why I don't get merits? I know why I don't get merits. When I get merits? How to get activity in the forum? How to get merits? etc.?". Those ones have become more popular recent days. I have a theory that there are account farmings tried bombing Meta board to get both postcounts and merits.
Please don't bomb the Meta board with your shitshows.
It's interesting to see spammers joined Meta board and shown their 'pseudo-constructive efforts' to beg for merits.
However, please stop this because such fake-efforts will never get merits.

I always love how bounty spammers come to Meta and make one post other than just Facebook and Twitter links, only to complain they don't get merit for their spam.

Guess what: that's exactly what the Merit system was designed to do!

From the topic itself "I understood why I do not get Merit". Then don't blame the system why you don't rank up in the end. I'm sure that this won't be your last thread containing blah blah about Merit System. I'm sure that when you've been pissed off of not receiving any Merits, you'll definitely make another thread complaining about your problem If you really understood why you don't get Merits, then make a solution to those reasons why no one can't even give you a single Merit. You knew those reasons isn't?

But if you're not interested in getting Merits, then your shitposts are way much better not to exist. I'm not just talking to you OP, I'm also pertaining to everyone, including myself

Merit is not the goal itself. Simply communicate, learn new information, get PLEASURE. After all, the merit, beyond this forum, has no value.

Isn't that fun ? When you login after few days and see some merits in your profile, you will feel compelled to check the posts that gave you merit. I am still to enjoy that feeling. It will fade away with time though in my opinion.



You cannot hide it. Your profile will easily give all details about it to the viewers. We can see your merits and posts which got it. The data regarding who gave it is also stored for some days.

So many of these type of posts.

Essentially an attempted 'insightful' post from someone who pretends they don't want merit, but actually does, and disguises it by singing the praises of the merit system that has seen them receive zero merit. How original.

You broke 10 out 20 merit's commandments. So which one did you break
Its normally when you don't break any 1 of merit's commandments, but you don't receive any Merit. So its better to understand how to make a quality post than understand how to not break merit's commandments.
Feel free to read some post about how to make a quality post here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-got-merits-lots-of-them-do-you-want-some-3376729
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-small-guide-about-merits-edited-new-ideas-added-3288547

I don't think that is true. The bounty spammer network has reduced the significance of merits. The things that I find significant are the post content, and my opinion of the poster. Things that will drop its significance in my opinion are - excessive formatting, redundant images, bad structure, and rubbish content.

Why you never got any merit so far is because you have been merit conscious. Forget about it, contribute to topics that interests you, go about your daily activities here and viola someone out there will find your efforts merit able and merit it. It's true the merit system made me not to rank up but then again am embracing the forum for what it really iseant for and forgetting about merit. It has been good so far.

Rule #1: Never mention about merit in your threads.
Rule #2: Never mention about merit in your topics.
Rule #3: Never feel down, dissapointed when merit have not come to your account.
Rule #4: Never pay your attention on your merits, your rank.
Rule #5: Keep learning, keep composing constructive threads/ topics, merits will come someday. (this is very common recommendations in the forum after the launch day of merit system and new rank requirements, so I believe you feel tired with it  )

With administrators, I think not. But other forum members look at your merit and your messages get serious weight.

I really like it when people are so detailed and clearly respond. I think I'm on the right track.
At first I had no idea what was going on here. Then I thought that it was not serious. But now I think I understand what's going on here. Now I can not leave the world of crypto-currency.

Thank you for your kind advice.

People on this forum are way to obsessed about merit if you ask me. Still not sure what merit even is, and at this point I really don't care anymore. Does it get me preferential treatment with the admins?

The way to go about attaining Merit, is to construct quality posts that are well explained and logical/relevant.

For the life of me i cannot understand the fascination surrounding Merit, if it bothers you that much then i'm sure you'd have worked out by now how to get even a little bit? Your activity suggests you've been here quite a while so surely you must have seen a few posts that give you the WOW factor.

Look and learn from other people, if you REALLY REALLY wanted merit you'd be able to get it. Like anything in life- its a case of you just having to put the effort in and the reward will follow.

I post this as constructive criticism by the way, just trying to help you. Good luck

Maybe you're right. But I'm not sure that you have read everything that I wrote. You've read this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36289203

You don't get merit because you shitpost.
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Can you lock the thread already? You ain't getting a merit, not now atleast.

But then both of you are liable for a 1BTC charge to me.

Both of these are true, otherwise the system will get tricked into giving merit when it is not due.

You appear to have not learnt your lesson here.


Who's merit?

yes

Ok. But I have only a mobile wallet. The mobile account ran out of money and I can not go online. Can you put me money on my number and then I will send you 1 btc?

Thank you. I'm sure that I can. We tried very hard with my wife to translate this into English.

Rule Number One: You do not talk about merit.
Rule Number Two: You do not talk about merit.
Rule Number Three: Merit breaks lives.

Please send 1btc to the address in my signature immediately!

Doing so will prove in a court of law that you understood your mistake and made immediate changes to correct it.

This suggestion to change "he" to a gender neutral term constitutes my legal advice.  You are no longer liable for any damages once you send the 1btc payment.

Trust me if you were the original idea creator of this topic then I would already seen a lot of merits under your name.
PS: Improve your post quality.

I broke 10 of the 20 merit's commandments.

1. Nobody knows when he will get a merit
2. Never rely on receiving a merit
3. Do not tell anyone about the merit
4. No one owes you merit
5. And merit himself does not
6. Because it simply merit
7. The volume of text does not affect the reception of merit
8. And the pictures also do not affect
9. And even humorous pictures do not affect
10. Merit is received - when they forget about it
11. The more you chase after the merit - the faster it runs away from you
12. To deceive yourself by "hammering a bolt" will not help - it measures the true desire
13. Do not listen to anyone - write what you think
14. It happens that merits do not go by themselves.
15. Merits have allergy to bounty and copy-paste
16. Love for merit is non-reciprocal, it is worth understanding and living with it
17. Merit does not like being asked
18. Merit does not tolerate pity and does not come to tears
19. Merit will not give new knowledge
20. And does not add zeros to the bank account

Only after gaining knowledge - merit will cease to be the main goal.
And when he measures it, he will come himself

(I found these commandments in the Russian topic, but perhaps this is not the original - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35267149)

How many commandments have you violated?