I was thinking about gpu shortages and have a theory.

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Quote from: Sebahl on December 31, 2020, 12:08:27 PM

Why would the OEMs do it? They could just up the prices of their GPUs and/or make custom GPUs for mining and sell them. They could also cooperate with large mining farms for early/custom designs and have them do a profit split agreement or something.
They have a duopoly - so this would be much easier for them than running a whole operation themselves.

Yeah they could and if the boards I described exist they cut a deal with a farm. Send a few of their own workers to monitor the running of 10000 boards.

Farm gets a sell back of ram and cpu chips.

Or like I said they call it quality control lease the chips and the ram let the farm test them and then recycle the tested chips into our gpus.

Seems like it would be easy to do as no wear and tear on cards or fans.

When we get the quality tested chips we can't see them and as long as they were run on medium speed the don't die.

All my 1080ti's have run 3 straight years at 170 watts. only issues are some fans break.

if design was like a waffle iron pulling chips in and out would be really fast.

radiator and fan would be in the lid

chips on the bottom

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Why would the OEMs do it? They could just up the prices of their GPUs and/or make custom GPUs for mining and sell them. They could also cooperate with large mining farms for early/custom designs and have them do a profit split agreement or something.
They have a duopoly - so this would be much easier for them than running a whole operation themselves.

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no they would not suffer from wear and tear. simply run them at low power.

remember all liquid cooled. so no overheating of any chip.

as for cost these would be in-house not for anyone but amd and nvidia.

If both ram chips and gpu chips simply lift out when you want to sell them.

the boards can sit idle for years at a time.

when card starting making more money this year I grabbed five boards that were stored for two years in a dry out door shed. along with ram and psus. those boards all work with new cards.

So to do my idea is cheap for amd and nividia not costly.

and it means we are not seeing cards anytime soon.

unless eth crashes like mad.

think that a set of 3080 chips on a four chip board with 40 gb ram cooled by waterblocks

means 400 x 5 cents 20 dollars a day. with good cooling and a hunderd day delay.

it is 2000- 200 = 1800 for those four chips.

then pack the lightly used well cooled chips into new cards.

I dont see how they are not doing this to some degree.

even if to say it is quality control testing.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 31, 2020, 12:27:05 AM

My theory is amd and nvidia could be running these today now.

and since the gpu ram and the gpu chip are not soldered they can pull and sell them in 3000 series or 6000 series when eth crashes.

you would not know they did it.

chips don't have time counters you can access to show they were used for 100 days or whatever.

The problem is those chips would have wear and tear on them and could fail in consumers hands if they ended up using it there. I doubt they would do something like that. Perhaps they have a few GPUs mining crypto who knows. They make more money selling their hardware than mining with it. Mining cryptos is actually dumb even though I am doing it also for fun. Much better to buy at a low price and then sell at a higher price.

When Ethereum was $85 you could have bought 5-6 ETH for the price of one GPU. Or 21-22 ETH for one 3090. How long would it take for one GPU to mine that much? Never. Not even a 3090 could mine that much on it's own. It would take a 3090 2-3 years to mine 6 ETH, perhaps even longer as difficulty increases. And we all know Ethereum mining will come to an end before that.

It is not worth it for AMD or Nvidia to mine imo.

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#SWGT CERTIK Audited

I think that this solution will cost much more and will not be interesting for miners.
Miners try to buy as cheaply as possible in order to recoup their expenses faster.

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Nvidia has this:

I was thinking

If the gpu chip and gpu ram could be pull ing and out like ram and cpu's on a regular mobo

The companies could be mining and simply pull the gpus chip and ram chips to put into a card.

Seems to me that laptop mobos are kind of what I am saying

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/alienware-area-51m-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-upgrade-kit/apd/490-bfdk/graphic-video-cards?gacd=9646510-1025-5761040-266794296-0&dgc=st&ds_rl=1282786&gclid=CjwKCAiAirb_BRBNEiwALHlnD1dXHr_9BekgvOOftozsMIbbdBrDWYLDWSVaHeB42c0Ml98aIRBF2BoCue8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

there is no need to solder in the gpu chip or the gpu ram if you built a variation of the mobo above.

drop a water cooled setup on to it and it would be quite a setup.

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Can't answer this question since I'm not a motherboard or hardware builder, the right people to answer this question are those who are working under PC components companies like AMD, MSI, Gigabytes etc, I'm not sure if Xeon motherboards have four CPU slots though 🤔, Xeon have the craziest builds, check out some Xeon servers maybe they have up to 4 CPU motherboards, not sure

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I dont think that amd and nvidia are the cleanest companies out there but i think that like in the old gold rushes the most money is made by the people selling the mining gear then showels pickaxe and other stuff now gpus, if they could i bet they would like to sell billions and billions of product
but i think in this case pandemic and other stuff hit them.

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My theory is amd and nvidia could be running these today now.

and since the gpu ram and the gpu chip are not soldered they can pull and sell them in 3000 series or 6000 series when eth crashes.

you would not know they did it.

chips don't have time counters you can access to show they were used for 100 days or whatever.

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Okay we all know a mobo can have 2 cpus. easy to cool and easy to remove.

so what prevents a mobo from having

8 spots in it 1 for a cpu and 7 for a gpu chip and each spot for the gpus has 10gb ram

I know that kind of a mobo is buildable. cool it with water coolers cpu ram and gpu

FLESHED it out a bit
laptops kind of do this design
but 1 cpu on the mobo and 1 gpu on the mobo
with separate ram for each

one cpu spot would be a cpu the other spot would be the location for the water pump

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