Topic: ICO or STO or SAFT? What's the safest bet? (Read 515 times)
If you are looking for safe. I can't say anyone is safe. All are risk taking. No investment now in crypto is guaranteed to give a good ROI. What we need is to be careful and invest wisely.
Well i will choose only IEO now, i never heard about SAFT but i think IEO is better and for sure coins will be sent after IEO if buy on trusted exchanges, but never buy on unknown exchanges.
You are a little confused because as far as I know SAFT is a tool for concluding agreements between projects in a particular contract, but not a means of selling tokens, and if you say in general, then the best option for selling tokens is of course STO or IEO.
Till now the safest mode of investment for the crypto is the STO which is Security Token Offering. This token offering is very secure and your fund is also keep safe by a recommended body. But, whatever the security matter that doesn't mean the crypto market volatile also regulated by a recognised body. You can still face the crypto behaviour in the crypto market.
right now IEO is the hottest one among them but it is nowhere near heated and hyped up as ICOs in 2017 because they are the continuation of the same scam under a different disguise but because of that disguise they have gained a short term viability where they scam people for that period of time before they join their predecessors and die slowly to disappear completely from the market.
I just recommend IEO since IEO is the most safest way to invest in the cryptocurrency world. You can guarantee your profit there.
Tell me, how many IEOs have you joined to even recommend it?
Guaranteed? Don't ever say such word in the world of cryptocurrency or other types of investments.
Do you have any data of how many IEOs were completed? Have you seen the price of the token/coin immediately after IEO?
Maybe he used the wrong words especially as he sort of guaranteed profit. This is the wild west tbh and no one can assure another of making positive returns.
I however understand where he is coming from as I've found IEOs to be very convenient.
I look out especially for those with applicability to our already existing reality and go all in. A perfect example will be the successful ECOMI project, currently making all the right moves that'll lead to adoption.
It seems people nowadays don't even get themselves into ICO's anymore because of the lack of hype and shady projects surfacing. Now there is always something new under the table like STOs, or ILP's, and now SAFTs. Giant companies like Bitmain and Telegram used IPOs to raise funds, Kodak used a SAFT, and other large blockchain based businesses used ICOs. What is the safest bet and how can you guarantee a positive ROI going thru these crowdfunding platforms? I have a hat that says 'Make ICO's Great Again' even tho that's definitely not possible.
"With an ICO the founders of a crypto startup could raise money without diluting their own shares in the company.
The problem with ICOs is that literally anyone with a whitepaper, a slick-looking website, and an idea could launch one and begin raising funds.
A damning study
by ICO advisory firm States Group concluded that around 80 percent of ICOs carried out in 2017 were complete scams.
Throw in confusion over governmental regulation, with regulators themselves admitting that ICOs can begin life as a security and transform into another asset type down the line, and it’s easy to see why the ICO craze has quickly dropped off."
Photo and quote source: https://southafricatoday.net/cryptocurrency/saft-vs-ico-which-approach-is-better-in-2019/
I rather go for STOs that ICO because I have invested in so many ICO project since last year up until now and I don't really have anything to write home about because all of them always turns out to become a shitcoin or the value is below ICO price after waiting for months to see the coin hit the exchange, this has been so frustrating and it made me gave up on all ICO because I believe that I would continue to have same experience over and over again. "With an ICO the founders of a crypto startup could raise money without diluting their own shares in the company.
The problem with ICOs is that literally anyone with a whitepaper, a slick-looking website, and an idea could launch one and begin raising funds.
A damning study
by ICO advisory firm States Group concluded that around 80 percent of ICOs carried out in 2017 were complete scams.
Throw in confusion over governmental regulation, with regulators themselves admitting that ICOs can begin life as a security and transform into another asset type down the line, and it’s easy to see why the ICO craze has quickly dropped off."
Sub-question: whatever crowdfunding idea you voted for, why did you vote for it?
Photo and quote source: https://southafricatoday.net/cryptocurrency/saft-vs-ico-which-approach-is-better-in-2019/
There is not a specific model that guarantees bigger profits, it's not about the model but about the project. In addition to this, a little luck is needed regarding the moment when they launch their project, it's very important not to get caught by a big dump and a bear market.
I do not think there is anything safe in this unregulated crowdsale market, we should be ready for unexpecyed scams and frauds untill their is some regulator and we should keep in mind that all these investments are highly risky.
It seems like that. Indeed there is no risky investment. If you don't really think about it before investing, certainly not what makes you get a higher risk. That is why before you invest anywhere, you have to think first about investing, which in your opinion is lower risk and also the project you want to invest whether you have analyzed it first.
I do not think there is anything safe in this unregulated crowdsale market, we should be ready for unexpecyed scams and frauds untill their is some regulator and we should keep in mind that all these investments are highly risky.
So you want to generalize all project? It think different subject have different type, method, and approach to conduct a crowdfunding. We can't apply something to other that easy. It may have different result which lead us to an answer "there is no best method".
Abbreviations are increasing. A new name for life in SAFT, I think. I'm choosing to use IEO as its current system.
for now the IEO is indeed one of the new breakthroughs in addition to ICO which has a tremendous appeal so that many investors switch to the IEO because they have their own exchanges and also the risk of fraud is smaller than ICO. maybe that is the main reason why the IEO is much interested now 
What is SAFT? this is the first time I've heard it.
The point is to talk about the type of investment in crypto right? nowadays people might prefer IEO compared to other types of investment, because IEO is popular now. and they say it's safer.
The IEO offers more profits according to investors (although I don't agree). if I personally might be enough to choose ICO, the reason is because initially the definition of crypto was anonymous. not as it is now, you have to do KYC anywhere.
The point is to talk about the type of investment in crypto right? nowadays people might prefer IEO compared to other types of investment, because IEO is popular now. and they say it's safer.
The IEO offers more profits according to investors (although I don't agree). if I personally might be enough to choose ICO, the reason is because initially the definition of crypto was anonymous. not as it is now, you have to do KYC anywhere.
i think if we talking about the safest the winer is STO.
like the name STO is Secure Token Offering that mean if STO is have an high level security system with STO Token.
for ICO is not safe anymore for now, becareful if you interested with some ICO.
like the name STO is Secure Token Offering that mean if STO is have an high level security system with STO Token.
for ICO is not safe anymore for now, becareful if you interested with some ICO.
STO remain the best bet in my opinion.. The fact that unlike ICOs. STO takes legal compliance into consideration makes it a safer investment option. Providing dividends based on revenue gotten from the platform gives STO investors better investment opportunity..
Well, ICO is for decentralized projects in my opinion. It is the most appropriate way to fund a true blockchain projects. It is full of scams due to its nature, and due to fact we are still in early stage of ico. I believe it will eventually get better.
You cannot use other ways of fundraising and expect to be decentralized, immutable, trustless etc
You cannot use other ways of fundraising and expect to be decentralized, immutable, trustless etc
I voted STO for an obvious reason, that this is not the most popular and people consider this as the safest, but I'm surprised that there is a vote for ICO, ICO's are all messed up the scam sections are full of ICO that run away with investors money and ICO will become a thing of the past within two years if no regulations comes.
And SAFT is something I never read before will check this one.
And SAFT is something I never read before will check this one.
First time I hear about SAFT. This must be something new. In fact, developments on this issue continue without stopping. IEO is also new in this regard. How everyone affected by binance in the bear market by means of IEO, everyone is looking for it.
IEO is nothing new actually, i mean the name is just new. Icos orchestrated by exchanges just were just called normal icos. Bitrex did them, along with some very shady exchanges.
SAFT is new to me too, i had to google that as well, but it seems that even though the names change, there's really nothing new going on.
Seriously whatever terminologies we use to conduct a crowdsale it wouldn't change the fact that people already lose trust to it and whatever hype they made they'll just end up shitty afterwards.
I'd rather to buy more bitcoin or at least bet on gambling sites even it have slim chances of profit but at least I made fun and enjoyed. Not a hater of ICO but I'm just being realistic and practical.
Permit me to disagree with you lady, before the invention of ICO, there exist IPO and IPO has been a very effective means of raising fund for rejects and it has never been in the history of IPO that investors is being scammed, because whatever project you invest in has a physical location, the only thing common to all of them is project failing, but the chances of getting a failed project in IPO is very low compared to ICO. I'd rather to buy more bitcoin or at least bet on gambling sites even it have slim chances of profit but at least I made fun and enjoyed. Not a hater of ICO but I'm just being realistic and practical.
It was when ICO came that we started having the issue of scam and shitty projects, which is why I believe that STO will be another great safe way of investment which is quite similar to IPO, but running in blockchain and being regulated by SEC.
I know of IPO which was the original public offering before ICO came to make IPO irrelevant, but for other ones you mentioned, I must confess to you that this would be the first time I will be hearing about them, and I guess that I still have lots of things to learn in this industry.
Well, based on the little knowledge that I have between STO and ICO, STO is still for sure the safest means of investment as it is backed up by Sec and also being regulated, so it becomes very impossible for scammers to penetrate STO system, but when you talk of most profitable investment, then there is no king like ICO.
Well, based on the little knowledge that I have between STO and ICO, STO is still for sure the safest means of investment as it is backed up by Sec and also being regulated, so it becomes very impossible for scammers to penetrate STO system, but when you talk of most profitable investment, then there is no king like ICO.
First time I hear about SAFT. This must be something new. In fact, developments on this issue continue without stopping. IEO is also new in this regard. How everyone affected by binance in the bear market by means of IEO, everyone is looking for it.
Same here, I even google what that means and based on my research its just like a private investments for accredited investors. ICOs are dead, no hype and no investors because of shady/scam projects. STO is still too early, there have been some problems in a legal aspects. My money is on IEO right now, its where are the trend and hype is. 
Abbreviations are increasing. A new name for life in SAFT, I think. I'm choosing to use IEO as its current system.
There's no "safest bet".All crypto related projects come with a very high risk.Just don't think that you could make any money from crypto startups.Just put your money in them (a really small amount) because you like idea behind the project,not because you want to make a ROI.
IPOs are more regulated and expensive(in order to protect the investors),that's why only big companies can afford listing an IPO.
IPOs are more regulated and expensive(in order to protect the investors),that's why only big companies can afford listing an IPO.
I am agree, there is no safest bet in investment field, every investment have risk and sometimes higher than others. IPOs mostly in stocks market and i think its risky too if we are looking on Uber IPO.
One token is issued as a security and it is owned and represents the performance of the company and you can even get dividends. Works very much like a stock. The others are just usage of the network and sold to users once the network is live. STOs are the way to go moving forward.
EXCEPT in crypto, there isn't a secondary market for them so they're ultimately useless. Companies can go under within the time it takes for them to get listed. So are you looking for safe or for ROI? price rise in this market is affected by hype and rumor, so anything that have it will have good return.
Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee
It's hard to say both. If I were looking for safe, I'd already look for an established company and invest in equity or their token. But for these new ones in regards to fundraising, a solid ROI would be nice- unless I truly believe in the project and I tend to stick around long term. Good profits have been made from ICOs but some people have gotten absolutely rekt. Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee
On a side note... Bitconnect 2.0 coming out soon... Anyone all in?
NONE OF THEM!
you are already using the correct term ("bet") in your title but i think it was unintentional. ICOs and all the alternatives are a gamble not an investment and should be treated as such. if you start having delusions about them, then you start losing money.
and remember that it is not about being "scam" or not. so when you quoted that article, you shouldn't misunderstand it. it says 80% of them were scams but it does NO mean the 20% were "good investments". 100% of ICOs and alternatives are bad investments whether they are obvious scams or not.
you are already using the correct term ("bet") in your title but i think it was unintentional. ICOs and all the alternatives are a gamble not an investment and should be treated as such. if you start having delusions about them, then you start losing money.
and remember that it is not about being "scam" or not. so when you quoted that article, you shouldn't misunderstand it. it says 80% of them were scams but it does NO mean the 20% were "good investments". 100% of ICOs and alternatives are bad investments whether they are obvious scams or not.
There's no "safest bet".All crypto related projects come with a very high risk.Just don't think that you could make any money from crypto startups.Just put your money in them (a really small amount) because you like idea behind the project,not because you want to make a ROI.
IPOs are more regulated and expensive(in order to protect the investors),that's why only big companies can afford listing an IPO.
IPOs are more regulated and expensive(in order to protect the investors),that's why only big companies can afford listing an IPO.
I just recommend IEO since IEO is the most safest way to invest in the cryptocurrency world. You can guarantee your profit there.
Tell me, how many IEOs have you joined to even recommend it?
Guaranteed? Don't ever say such word in the world of cryptocurrency or other types of investments.
Do you have any data of how many IEOs were completed? Have you seen the price of the token/coin immediately after IEO?
Never heard about SAFT and will want you to explain more in details. You didn't mention IEO or you don't know about it?. Currently, IEO a has been a huge success and many projects are moving to it so that's the best for me currently
SAFT? A lot of names to call it but isn't it the same for asking funds?
I haven't participated any IEO but is it juat to list the token on the exchange and let the market pay the exchange while the team can dump what they have allocated for themselves or they get the funds from the exchange who act as escrow?
I haven't participated any IEO but is it juat to list the token on the exchange and let the market pay the exchange while the team can dump what they have allocated for themselves or they get the funds from the exchange who act as escrow?
OP, would you like to add another choice like IEO? if you can and i will choose it as my safest bet on the speculating a new platform.
The ERA for SAFT and STO have already ended and both were getting only short hype but ICO and IEO still become the main bet right now.
Visit icodrop and you will know about the average return that has already generated by IEO.
The ERA for SAFT and STO have already ended and both were getting only short hype but ICO and IEO still become the main bet right now.
Visit icodrop and you will know about the average return that has already generated by IEO.
As of now there is no reason to join ICO anymore unless they came from the Admin Himself, What I'm saying is even reputable Members are promoting some shady project thankfully the are tagged now like needmoney and others because they are the only members who promote scam project and the real ICO buried.
I cant say STO are guaranteed ROI but just a conservative way on raising funds and handling asset. What is the difference on ICO? if the tokens will be traded also on same exchange like other utility token? Can anyone tell me if there is a security exchange already listing this STO projects. Probably they will also be listed om normal centralized exchange maybe the only difference is the approach and maybe they have a buy back program to stable the price of their tokens. But this is also manipulation, if you think of it.
I just recommend IEO since IEO is the most safest way to invest in the cryptocurrency world. You can guarantee your profit there.
If a company choose a STO instead of a IPO for a securities offering, then they have a better exposure when compared to an IPO. Therefore, STOs are better from the point of the company as they have a higher chance to become successful in fund raising.
I don't know much about SAFT, what I know is that SAFT is a non-debt financial instrument that can be converted into equities in a later date and the investor looses his money if the start up fails. Therefore, I think there is no considerable difference between SAFT and typical ICO.
For the customer/investor any of these types is risky. However, if it is a regulated offering, the risk is less when compared to unregulated offerings specially typical ICOs. Therefore, if the investor wants to invest in a less risky investment opportunity, IPOs are still better than other types. STOs also a type that would be interesting with better legislation in the future.
I don't know much about SAFT, what I know is that SAFT is a non-debt financial instrument that can be converted into equities in a later date and the investor looses his money if the start up fails. Therefore, I think there is no considerable difference between SAFT and typical ICO.
For the customer/investor any of these types is risky. However, if it is a regulated offering, the risk is less when compared to unregulated offerings specially typical ICOs. Therefore, if the investor wants to invest in a less risky investment opportunity, IPOs are still better than other types. STOs also a type that would be interesting with better legislation in the future.
Seriously whatever terminologies we use to conduct a crowdsale it wouldn't change the fact that people already lose trust to it and whatever hype they made they'll just end up shitty afterwards.
I'd rather to buy more bitcoin or at least bet on gambling sites even it have slim chances of profit but at least I made fun and enjoyed. Not a hater of ICO but I'm just being realistic and practical.
I'd rather to buy more bitcoin or at least bet on gambling sites even it have slim chances of profit but at least I made fun and enjoyed. Not a hater of ICO but I'm just being realistic and practical.
One token is issued as a security and it is owned and represents the performance of the company and you can even get dividends. Works very much like a stock. The others are just usage of the network and sold to users once the network is live. STOs are the way to go moving forward.
I don't know if it's listed but I think airdrops are possibly the best idea, because projects that amass large amounts of money via token offerings tend to squander their cash. Projects that are developed based on pure enthusiasm from a developer or team of developers are more likely to succeed. That's how bitcoin and some other cryptocurrencies came about.
It really depends on the project and team rather the how they are collecting the money and what they are offering.
Of course a regulated project would be much safer than anonymous ones. If a project is licensed and legitimate, there's no problem for the team to come in person and interact with the investors and share their experience and what they are willing to achieve with the raised funds.
Of course a regulated project would be much safer than anonymous ones. If a project is licensed and legitimate, there's no problem for the team to come in person and interact with the investors and share their experience and what they are willing to achieve with the raised funds.
I think many of these new methods of raising money by issuing tokens are lulling investors into a false sense of security. While the switch away from ICO's may eliminate one of the most egregious types of fraud. Namely using a fake identity and then running away with the money, it will do nothing to prevent fraudster like Andrew MacDonald from perpetrating a longer exit scam.
I only know about the ICO, IPO and IEO but the rest is new to me. Crowdfunding is not new anymore, its already here in the market for a decade or more now and some project succeed on that. There’s no safest thing to do that, all have their own risk and there are times that investors don’t want the project. I will go for these three because i already experience their success.
So are you looking for safe or for ROI? price rise in this market is affected by hype and rumor, so anything that have it will have good return.
Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee
Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee
First time I hear about SAFT. This must be something new. In fact, developments on this issue continue without stopping. IEO is also new in this regard. How everyone affected by binance in the bear market by means of IEO, everyone is looking for it.
It seems people nowadays don't even get themselves into ICO's anymore because of the lack of hype and shady projects surfacing. Now there is always something new under the table like STOs, or ILP's, and now SAFTs. Giant companies like Bitmain and Telegram used IPOs to raise funds, Kodak used a SAFT, and other large blockchain based businesses used ICOs. What is the safest bet and how can you guarantee a positive ROI going thru these crowdfunding platforms? I have a hat that says 'Make ICO's Great Again' even tho that's definitely not possible.
"With an ICO the founders of a crypto startup could raise money without diluting their own shares in the company.
The problem with ICOs is that literally anyone with a whitepaper, a slick-looking website, and an idea could launch one and begin raising funds.
A damning study
by ICO advisory firm States Group concluded that around 80 percent of ICOs carried out in 2017 were complete scams.
Throw in confusion over governmental regulation, with regulators themselves admitting that ICOs can begin life as a security and transform into another asset type down the line, and it’s easy to see why the ICO craze has quickly dropped off."
Photo and quote source: https://southafricatoday.net/cryptocurrency/saft-vs-ico-which-approach-is-better-in-2019/
"With an ICO the founders of a crypto startup could raise money without diluting their own shares in the company.
The problem with ICOs is that literally anyone with a whitepaper, a slick-looking website, and an idea could launch one and begin raising funds.
A damning study
by ICO advisory firm States Group concluded that around 80 percent of ICOs carried out in 2017 were complete scams.
Throw in confusion over governmental regulation, with regulators themselves admitting that ICOs can begin life as a security and transform into another asset type down the line, and it’s easy to see why the ICO craze has quickly dropped off."
Sub-question: whatever crowdfunding idea you voted for, why did you vote for it?
Photo and quote source: https://southafricatoday.net/cryptocurrency/saft-vs-ico-which-approach-is-better-in-2019/
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