This looks like a lobbying / mouthpiece organisation put in place by ... follow the money.
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https://www.icspa.org/membership/members/#c113
Topic: ICSPA - is it time somebody put this organisation under the spotlight? (Read 4756 times)
June 27, 2013, 05:52:13 AM
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https://www.icspa.org/membership/members/#c113
June 18, 2013, 02:54:17 PM
This looks like a lobbying / mouthpiece organisation put in place by ... follow the money.
Well yes and no. If you look at those documents you'll find quite a morphing having happened in its short life. I suspect they originally sold the idea to their original sponsors as a coordinated pooling of ideas to assist businesses protect themselves and their customers. That's the tone of that first speech. I don't think it is as straightforward as money. The likes of you and me don't understand the lure of political influence and power and I suspect their abandoning of first principles in order to cowtow to what their Government and police authority 'partners' want is a means of wielding more power. I don't know where money comes into that.
But did you get the tone of that video?! The 'paradise lost' quasi-religious theme with the advent of the internet portrayed with sinister music and dark tones. If they'd been around in the early 90s they'd have pushed the governments to ban the internet and have 2 or 3 AOL-type content providers that they could have in their pockets. To have an organisation that simply doesn't get what today's technology delivers and promises to deliver let alone tomorrow's have any kind of influence on legislation and enforcement is frightening!
June 18, 2013, 02:18:10 PM
This looks like a lobbying / mouthpiece organisation put in place by ... follow the money.
June 18, 2013, 01:01:50 PM
UK is really Shit they ban Pirate Bay, force Twitter to snitch, almost delivered Mckinnon etc etc
June 18, 2013, 12:37:50 PM
Does anybody know a journalist who might be interested in looking into this? If you do or know someone you think might know someone please forward this or share accordingly. I've just been doing some preliminary searching into ICSPA - the International Cyber Security Protection Alliance and am frankly taken aback by what I've found. I think it needs someone with investigative resources/criteria who will have their questions taken seriously and someone who also has the means of selling the story - if there is indeed a story - to ensure word gets out on this.
I know ex-forces guys sometimes struggle with what to do with their lives once they leave but this is a cracker! An ex-RAFfie with a lot of connections and too much time on his hands appears to have woken up one morning in 2011 and thought "I know what, I'll set up an organisation to internationally co-ordinate policy-making and policing of anything internet-related worldwide. We'll get a load of corporate money together and use our contacts to get some political credibility then become the go-to people for more powerful governments and police authorities to get them to implement what we want whilst using the same political clout to bully governments in developing nations to comply, thus bringing the whole of the internet under our control. In the meantime by portraying the internet as a scary place full of nasty people and organisations we'll easily push ourselves as being the saviour of the innocent internet user, and by giving ourselves an authoritative sounding title governments, businesses and the people will just believe we are actually a legitimate organisation accountable to... well, actually it doesn't matter who people think we're accountable to as long as they don't realise it is in fact nobody! Excellent, now where did I put David Blunkett's number?!"
I kid you not! Two years later ICSPA runs out of this office in Chesham, Bucks; they have a video from David Cameron saying why he supports the organisation, they appear to have both Europol and City of London Police in their pockets, they're establishing a foot-hold in Latin America and they're given two pages of the official G8 magazine to lobby participating delegates as to why Bitcoin and all new money-transmitting technologies should be banned (using the usual 3-excuse-rhetoric of child porn, terrorism and money laundering), with the exception of the 'trustworthy' existing credit card and banking names and technologies thus keeping all internet-related financial transactions in the hands of the existing oligopolies.
What I want to know is who do they think they are that they can become judge and jury of the pros and cons of innovative technologies and also enforcement co-ordinator of its own verdict? How did such a policy come about? In their big Glen Eagles conference last year? Where is the agenda? Who is driving it? How much influence do they actually have? How on earth does somebody get to wield such power without ever having to supply a service to a customer or canvas for a vote?!
I'm struggling to figure out if this is a couple of people, mainly the ex-RAFfie nobody blokie (whose name is John Lyons) and Blunkett, just having a go and seeing how far they can push this thing or if it really is a scary beast that's like a cross between the sinister organisations of Ayn Rand and George Orwell's dystopias. Either way I think people ought to know. I think it's time to put ICSPA under the spotlight and see what there is to be seen.
http://www.newsdeskmedia.com/files/G8-UK-2013.pdf (page 60)
https://www.icspa.org/uploads/media/John_Lyons_-_Chief_Exec_speech_launching_the_ICSPA_in_London__July_5th__2011.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSHlmLX8nY
Check out "We've reached out to governments across the globe on your behalf". Excuse me.. on whose authority are you claiming to be doing anything on my behalf?!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=04935HdkvoA
I know ex-forces guys sometimes struggle with what to do with their lives once they leave but this is a cracker! An ex-RAFfie with a lot of connections and too much time on his hands appears to have woken up one morning in 2011 and thought "I know what, I'll set up an organisation to internationally co-ordinate policy-making and policing of anything internet-related worldwide. We'll get a load of corporate money together and use our contacts to get some political credibility then become the go-to people for more powerful governments and police authorities to get them to implement what we want whilst using the same political clout to bully governments in developing nations to comply, thus bringing the whole of the internet under our control. In the meantime by portraying the internet as a scary place full of nasty people and organisations we'll easily push ourselves as being the saviour of the innocent internet user, and by giving ourselves an authoritative sounding title governments, businesses and the people will just believe we are actually a legitimate organisation accountable to... well, actually it doesn't matter who people think we're accountable to as long as they don't realise it is in fact nobody! Excellent, now where did I put David Blunkett's number?!"
I kid you not! Two years later ICSPA runs out of this office in Chesham, Bucks; they have a video from David Cameron saying why he supports the organisation, they appear to have both Europol and City of London Police in their pockets, they're establishing a foot-hold in Latin America and they're given two pages of the official G8 magazine to lobby participating delegates as to why Bitcoin and all new money-transmitting technologies should be banned (using the usual 3-excuse-rhetoric of child porn, terrorism and money laundering), with the exception of the 'trustworthy' existing credit card and banking names and technologies thus keeping all internet-related financial transactions in the hands of the existing oligopolies.
What I want to know is who do they think they are that they can become judge and jury of the pros and cons of innovative technologies and also enforcement co-ordinator of its own verdict? How did such a policy come about? In their big Glen Eagles conference last year? Where is the agenda? Who is driving it? How much influence do they actually have? How on earth does somebody get to wield such power without ever having to supply a service to a customer or canvas for a vote?!
I'm struggling to figure out if this is a couple of people, mainly the ex-RAFfie nobody blokie (whose name is John Lyons) and Blunkett, just having a go and seeing how far they can push this thing or if it really is a scary beast that's like a cross between the sinister organisations of Ayn Rand and George Orwell's dystopias. Either way I think people ought to know. I think it's time to put ICSPA under the spotlight and see what there is to be seen.
http://www.newsdeskmedia.com/files/G8-UK-2013.pdf (page 60)
https://www.icspa.org/uploads/media/John_Lyons_-_Chief_Exec_speech_launching_the_ICSPA_in_London__July_5th__2011.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSHlmLX8nY
Check out "We've reached out to governments across the globe on your behalf". Excuse me.. on whose authority are you claiming to be doing anything on my behalf?!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=04935HdkvoA
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