idea--- A decentralised trust system

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:54:29 PM

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

Since the system will be decentralized, there wont be DT or separate webs of trust

What you are describing would be the same as using the current system and putting everyone on DT or putting everyone on your trustlist.

So again, as people have said, what prevents me (or anyone else), from creating 500 accounts and giving you (or anyone else) a neg rating with each account? Then everyone would see those ratings and you would be considered untrusted because supposedly 500 people have negged you. What prevents someone from doing that? You say that giving trust requires trades, but how is that enforced?

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 27, 2016, 03:42:56 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

Since the system will be decentralized, there wont be DT or separate webs of trust

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

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Quote from: dogie on February 27, 2016, 02:56:07 PM

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

alt account a: "Oh hello alt account b, that was a great trade we did, have some feedback".

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 01:58:03 PM

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

alt account a: "Oh hello alt account b, that was a great trade we did, have some feedback".

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 01:54:46 PM

Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

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Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

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Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

I don't understand the current trust system. Moreover, i am shocked trust still exists in the 21st century. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Amph on February 26, 2016, 02:47:14 PM

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

he is basically saying to remove the default trust, nothign new, but his forum alone is a centralized environment, you can not have a decentralized system in a centralized environment, sound like an oxymoron to me

Well theymos has suggested an improvement that would result in more diverse trust lists. It was voted on and not accepted though. The idea was to force users to build their own trust lists out of suggestions. I agree though the admins own the house and there will be no free state in it.

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

he is basically saying to remove the default trust, nothing new, but his forum alone is a centralized environment, you can not have a decentralized system in a centralized environment, sound like an oxymoron to me

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 26, 2016, 07:21:00 AM

Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

some degree of centralization is unavoidable, complete decentralization will only lead to abuse and shilling, especially on this forum.

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 08:29:03 AM

Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

There are flaws to the current system, true. The question is what changed should be made to improve it. If OPs suggestion is "everyone gets a vote" Im against that change. Its just too easy to get new accounts and leave meaningless ratings which lead to inflated positive ratings. Making the system more complex to use is hardly an improvement.

Yep, plus on its own, every admin can hire any hacker to get into the system and make it work for them. And i guess you're right that if it would just complicate things, i dont think it will be of much help.

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Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

There are flaws to the current system, true. The question is what changes should be made to improve it. If OPs suggestion is "everyone gets a vote" Im against that change. Its just too easy to get new accounts and leave meaningless ratings which lead to inflated positive ratings. Making the system more complex to use is hardly an improvement.

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I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 26, 2016, 07:21:00 AM

Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

Is it moderated? What prevents people from creating 1000 shills to change their appearance?

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

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Only joint score should be removed from the current system.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

The entire forum would be controlled by those with the most accounts, not the most trustworthy.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

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There is no pressure ,they don't care.

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Quote from: vodaljepa on February 25, 2016, 08:02:05 PM

Is there anyway to check if you're on the trust list?

You can go to this page, click Ctrl+F, type in your username, and see if it shows up anywhere other than in Depth 0. If it doesn't show up anywhere else, then you aren't in any of the default trust levels in your trust depths.

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The current trust system is totally fine. There may be a high amount of pressure on people in DT1, but if there is an undeserved trust, other members can go to the DT1 member and ask them to review the trust rep.

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Is there anyway to check if you're on the trust list?

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Just in case OP's still confused about how the trust system works here(thats just the Part 1)

Its pretty confusing when you say you do know how to exclude me from your trust list, keep offending me with one liners and backlash against me being added to DT while yourself having me manually added to your trust list.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:19:01 PM

Quote from: Mickeyb on February 25, 2016, 07:14:43 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

If 20-100 people decide how the bulk of the forum views a person's profile then the system is centralised, do you disagree? You have to be an idiot to disagree

Your arguments are plain stupid, one can't just say 'This and this, if you disagree you're stupid'. Constructive criticism is one thing but what you're doing is called trolling

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

No he doesnt, he plans to go into the new forum using a similar system as we are using now, there would be a system to identify alts in the new forum

You don't know , there hasn't been an official announcement or even any rumors about it. Again, I can easily make 50 alts or buy them, discredit someone and sell them and move on with my life. Know VPN much?

You're making bogus up at this point. Although I agree DT might be giving power in the hands of a few individuals henceforth making it centralized and ab-usable, its tolerable at this point

If 100 out of half a million people decide on a person's general rating then this system is centralised, do you disagree?

also im not making anything up, read this document that theymos wrote- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bHlm4NQkSzaBTT5tLIqQBmV92wSsbdOX5r-dRR9Dgg0/edit

Again, you just showed you dont understand how the trust system works. I see you are still having mexxer on it and in addition you accept lutpin if your depth is at least 2. oh and see, i am on DT2 with your current settings as you still have mexxer in. funny...

so you dont think we are untrustworthy? nvm, ill stop to write more posts in here. doesnt make any sense...

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:19:01 PM

If 100 out of half a million people decide on a person's general rating then this system is centralised, do you disagree?

I agree, just don't see the point of even starting a discussion. You can choose your own trust list. theymos isn't here to save them from their laziness

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:19:01 PM

also im not making anything up, read this document that theymos wrote- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bHlm4NQkSzaBTT5tLIqQBmV92wSsbdOX5r-dRR9Dgg0/edit

Educate me where exactly has he pointed out anything about alts

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The other thing to remember is that you aren't forced to follow the default trust system. You're able to make up your own trust list, picking and choosing users who you believe are reputable, and who leave reputable ratings. Or if you're generally happy with the default trust system except for a few select users, you can just exclude them from your trust list.

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

I think that would be a very bad idea, as mentioned before due to alts. Plus, even if there was a hard limit of one account per user, why would you trust a rating from a brand new, unknown user as much as you would from a reputable user with tens of thousands of dollars traded on this site?

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Quote from: Mickeyb on February 25, 2016, 07:14:43 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

If 20-100 people decide how the bulk of the forum views a person's profile then the system is centralised, do you disagree? You have to be an idiot to disagree

Your arguments are plain stupid, one can't just say 'This and this, if you disagree you're stupid'. Constructive criticism is one thing but what you're doing is called trolling

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

No he doesnt, he plans to go into the new forum using a similar system as we are using now, there would be a system to identify alts in the new forum

You don't know , there hasn't been an official announcement or even any rumors about it. Again, I can easily make 50 alts or buy them, discredit someone and sell them and move on with my life. Know VPN much?

You're making bogus up at this point. Although I agree DT might be giving power in the hands of a few individuals henceforth making it centralized and ab-usable, its tolerable at this point

If 100 out of half a million people decide on a person's general rating then this system is centralised, do you disagree?

also im not making anything up, read this document that theymos wrote- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bHlm4NQkSzaBTT5tLIqQBmV92wSsbdOX5r-dRR9Dgg0/edit

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

If 20-100 people decide how the bulk of the forum views a person's profile then the system is centralised, do you disagree? You have to be an idiot to disagree

Your arguments are plain stupid, one can't just say 'This and this, if you disagree you're stupid'. Constructive criticism is one thing but what you're doing is called trolling

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

No he doesnt, he plans to go into the new forum using a similar system as we are using now, there would be a system to identify alts in the new forum

You don't know , there hasn't been an official announcement or even any rumors about it. Again, I can easily make 50 alts or buy them, discredit someone and sell them and move on with my life. Know VPN much?

You're making bogus up at this point. Although I agree DT might be giving power in the hands of a few individuals henceforth making it centralized and ab-usable, its tolerable at this point

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Quote from: whywefight on February 25, 2016, 07:01:50 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system, the current system is clearly broken
Decentralised trust systems such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net to some extent run much better than what we currently have, although people only leave positive or negative feedback for trades which i think is good, i dont need to leave a positive or negative rating because you are my cousin

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

just my 2 cents

this posts just shows what i thought the whole time: you dont know how the system works.

If 20-100 people decide how the bulk of the forum views a person's profile then the system is centralised, do you disagree? You have to be an idiot to disagree

Quote from: Mickeyb on February 25, 2016, 07:04:55 PM

Add this to the trashbin already. theymos probably has some idea for a more complicated and a bit more decentralized trust system, but I have one word to reply with here to make you whole proposal sound ridicuolous 'alts'

No he doesnt, he plans to go into the new forum using a similar system as we are using now, there would be a system to identify alts in the new forum

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Add this to the trashbin already. theymos probably has some idea for a more complicated and a bit more decentralized trust system, but I have one word to reply with here to make you whole proposal sound ridicuolous 'alts'

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system, the current system is clearly broken
Decentralised trust systems such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net to some extent run much better than what we currently have, although people only leave positive or negative feedback for trades which i think is good, i dont need to leave a positive or negative rating because you are my cousin

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

just my 2 cents

this posts just shows what i thought the whole time: you dont know how the system works.

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How about a decentralised trust system, the current system is clearly broken
Decentralised trust systems such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net to some extent run much better than what we currently have, although people only leave positive or negative feedback for trades which i think is good, i dont need to leave a positive or negative rating because you are my cousin

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

just my 2 cents

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