Topic: idiot police - jacob blake shooting (Read 316 times)

There is no reason to measure lethal police shootings by population because different races interact with the police at different rates because  they commit crimes at different rates.

As a rate of /per police interaction, black people are less likely to be killed by the police than white people. There are over 300 million police interactions with citizens every year, and of those 300 million interactions, there are less than 10 unarmed black people killed by police each year.

In the 3 months of BLM/anifta riots in the US, many more black people have been killed by the BLM terrorists than unarmed black people will be by police in a year. This is only counting in the riots. If a black person is going to be killed by another person (justified or not), they are over 250 times more likely to be killed by another black person (who is not the police), than being unarmed and by the police.

If you are referring to Floyd, the medical examiner said in his report that if he had not been influenced by the video of Floyd's last minutes, he would have said that Floyd died from a drug overdose. Floyd's lungs were twice as heavy as what was to be expected; this explains why Floyd was saying that he couldn't breathe before he was put into the police car and while he was still standing on his feet.

You're right probably best to lay off on that for now.

Seems like the police union and the officers on scene are saying that a knife was found, which would justify the force. While family lawyers (the Blake family) are disputing that and saying that it isn't true. In the video you can see something shiny in Blakes hand, though that has the chance of being car keys or a knife. So we'll have to wait a bit on that.

Even after an investigation though, I'm assuming that people aren't going to trust it on both sides. We're expecting LEO's to say that he had a knife though, and that would make this shooting make a bit more sense. If no knife, I don't see a reason for this.

I'd wait for a more thorough investigation on that part. There are conflicting reports whether he had a knife on him or had a knife in his car. I don't think a knife is visible in the video - both his hands seem to be empty - but it's too blurry to say for sure.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-investigators-police-offer-starkly-views-jacob-blake/story?id=72675684

Police claim the following:


https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-had-knife-and-put-officer-in-headlock-before-shooting-claims-police-union-12059179 - For the same source but linked again.

He has been said to have brandished a knife, and officers can be heard telling him to drop the knife. Is that something that you're trying to dispute?

You set the topic of the thread yourself. If you make it about "idiot police" and "dumb Americans" then that's what's going to be discussed.

im a white guy. and even i can see the double standards

a white guy telling the cops he might have a gun in his car... pfft. a pat on the back for being an american
a white guy having a gun on him and telling the cops he shot somone.. pfft. bottle of water and pat on the back
a black guy telling the cops he might have a knife in the car... shot 7 times whilst unarmed

cops could have stayed at a 21foot distance and have no harm/threat to them
its known as the tueller drill.. should be part of standard police training

seems your trying too hard to ignore the evidence, the videos, the actual events
should i get you a bottle of water for being 'patriotically' ignorant

how about discuss the actual events and not cry about my insults

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well some are not talking about the mentality of police. or even jacob blake they are talking about me
which is funny how they avoid talking about police mentality or jacob blake events

even funnier how i said this a few times and still new posts are made about me.
i dont mind you making comments about me. as long as you include context of the topic
such as the police actions in the jacob blake events
like in other topics i call badecker an idiot but i also include the corrections and details of the topic
to inform others about the topic and why people like badecker are idiots

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so back on topic. if cops are not using the tueller drill to stand at a distance. or not only going closer to tackle/apprehend.. then they need retraining
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sv0iN5J-9mk?start=610&end=648
emphasis is on the suspect actually having a weapon on them
emphasis again only if the suspect has a weapon on them is it self defense

Youre sure trying very hard to make him look innocent.
We know you hate America and Police. Move on.

he had no knife on him
the police presume he had a knife in the car and thats their excuse to shoot him because they thought he was going to reach for one

when a guy comes in my house and says 'i might have a knife in my car but nothing on me'  id tell him to 'fuck off' out my house
when someone comes in my house with a loaded gun after killing 2 neighbours im not gonna give him a bottle of water and pat him on the back and tell him good job

your trying too hard to make an unwanted guest minor crime sound like a deadly threat major crime. while also trying to make a deadly rime sound minor

come on, use your brain stick to the actual events and stop going to fantasy land thinking a guy with an illegal firearm is ok to walk the streets and killing people. while another guy without a knife needs to be stopped

adding to this event. the main sherrif of the city has made past speaches of how he doesnt want blacks having kid or living in certain suberbs
so if you think its not racial. you are in fantasy land

Bigger crime? No. Just a fallacy-ridden rant.

If someone kills my wife it would still be fallacious for to you show up here calling the whole country idiots because of that.

+1 to that.

Unsure why we've devolved into personal attacks on here. My whole point before was me saying that I think that the officers are going to get off (when this is brought to court, and if) based on the circumstanced surrounding the shooting.

He had a knife in his possession and he was going inside a vehicle with children -- wouldn't that warrant him going into a situation where he can harm others? This is why the police took him down. As I said before, people don't shoot to wound -- they shoot to kill.

So if that person comes in your house armed with a knife and comes attacking you and your wife? Are you going to beg him to drop his knife and leave your house? Not do anything to him to protect you and your wife if you had a gun in your hand?
Or not shoot him because he is black?

Come on man, use your brain and stop making everything about race.

so when people avoid discussing big issues and pretend that cops shooting unarmed people is not worth talking about. but instead saying that calling someone an idiot is a bigger crime....
sorry. you got your moral compass on backwards

.. whats next
someone kills your wife. no problem. but he done it without taking his shoes off at the door to stop trecking mud on the carpet.. only in america

You're calling the whole country idiots because you don't like the opinions of some people (whom you assume to be from that country) on this forum. I don't know how you imagine that helping whatever point you're trying to make. It's more of an indictment of your inability to form a coherent argument.

Yes, there is. Of course the dataset is limited because this is just shootings, and doesn't include instances of police murdering people through choking or neck-kneeling. Unless you are arguing that the police may have a problem with racism, but wider society doesn't? In which case I'd just direct you to the nearest 'all lives matter' person.

But the situation is improving, because finally this is being acknowledged and a lot of people are appropriately outraged. We have progressed a long way beyond the 50s/60s Rosa Parks era, with the US even electing a black president. And we will eventually get to the point where people are treated equally irrespective of colour, but it remains a long journey. The US is a global leader in many things, and if this is handled correctly, they can provide a good example for other countries (my own included) to follow.

You're right, it isn't right to call someone a fool but the Americans thought the police were doing something bad. Police shots are now within the hospital. He had to undergo surgery to get rid of the bullet from his body police fired from behind hitting Blake within the spine. The spine becomes fragmented so even after the surgery this young man from Kenosha cannot stand together with his spine straight. consistent with his lawyer albeit junior Jacob Blake can walk after this nothing are often said but a miracle. Blake Jr. because his father's name is additionally Jacob Blake.

maybe i do use the word idiot alot in this category. but there are just soo many idiots in this category. so it just becomes easy to point them out

if people were not an idiot they would not be called one

maybe people thinking they are being personally attacked by the word idiot. they should spend a few minutes looking at their opinion and working out is their opinion logical, practical, moral, ethical.. just common sense

if not then maybe the fault is the idiotic opinion. and not the person calling it idiotic

I wont argue with someone that calls others idiots because they have a different opinion.
My god you must be fun at discussions.

guy with gun not shot
guy with gun actually killed people = no punishment

guy without a knife in his hand. SHOT

he didnt even have a knife in his hand
the cops had ample oppertunity to tackle him

do you see the difference
it seems like you are trying to find lame idiot excuses why cops should shoot unarmed people and why armed people should not be shot

change your moral compass because i asking you to think about your thoughts wont work

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ok ill try to let you use your brain
think about this
a person with a gun in their hand and finger on the trigger gets given a free pass, pat on the back and bottle of water
a cop SUSPECTING someone has a knife 20feet away from their hand = need to get shot

have a rational thought. or my quote about how i think americans are idiots stands

He was not obeying.
What is the cop supposed to do? They also need to protect themselves and have family at home.
Sit there and ask and beg him to stop moving and/or reaching for a gun?  

PS: You cant throw knives? Its still a weapon. Why even take that chance to let him grab/use the knife?

america. where all crimes. without judge or jury, where you just a suspect = getting shot plain and simple
cops=executioners without trial is the american way

even funnier having a multiple shot gun able to take out dozens of people far away, acceptable
having a knife not in your hand but if it was it would only hurt within arm distance.. not acceptable

very funny world america lives in

he was a subject of an uninvited guest at a party not multiple murder
he didnt break in. he didnt stalk or harm anyone.
he went there invited and then was told to get out.
thats all
no murder, no rape,

however a multilple murder suspect walked towards cops with a gun. and was congratulated and given water.. and said he can go home with a weldone

if you cant see the hypocracy of that then my quoted statement stands
i cannot believe anyone thinks being shot is the punishment for a petty crime is acceptable
i cannot believe anyone thinks be rewarded with a safe passage and water for a murder crime is acceptable

whats next
stop for a parking violation. have a gun heldto your head. and because you feel the cop is abusing his power you brace yourself and run off for cover. and now you feel the cop should shoot you and call it a lawful killing because you run off.

serious dig deep into your moral compass and choose a different direction if thats was your mindset

again read my points
if a white guy was at a party and the other attendee's called the cops to have him removed. they would have thanked him for leaving the property and actually allowed him to get into his car

Calling america dumb because of this?
He was a fleeing subject and he got shot because he didnt comply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Im sick and tired of people always making the race the subject, he was a suspect and thats why he got shot.
Plain and simple.

ok jacob did not have a knife on him. and police are saying he was going to the car to get a knife
1.they were standing at a distance with a gun aimed at him thus a knife is no threat
2. they had ample time to tackle him to the ground

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now here is why it IS racist
just a couple days later. in the exact same town
a white guy HAD A GUN ON HIM and actually shot a few people
while carrying the gun he was walking TOWARDS cops. still with the gun.
cops told him not shot him. just told him to put hands up and drop the gun
they then let him go home

notice the difference.
karl rittenhouse was allowed to walk back to his car and go home with a long rifle that just killed a few people where the weapon has a hundred meter risk. where cops actually walked passed him

jabob died with no weapon on him but 'suspected' to be going to reach a weapon with just a arm length risk

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so remember the double standard
a phonecall about a person not invited to a party being asked to be removed=punishable by death

vs
a person with an illegal weapon, being a vigilante and killing 2 people=punishment of .... nothing
he was not protecting his property or himself because he did not even live in that town. he had premeditation because he decided to go to another town with a gun.

While this is right, it doesn't fully explain it.

Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm if they're carrying a weapon or something along those lines to show that they have the ability to commit such harm. Given the fact that he was holding a knife and entering a car with children, I think it'd be fair to say that he could have presented harm to them.

People discussing the amount of shots or anything like that don't understand what you're supposed to do when you're shooting someone. You NEVER shoot to wound, you shoot to kill. You continue to shoot until the person stops moving. That's how this goes.

We'll see how this plays out in the court though. I think the officers will be let off (if charges arise, not sure if they have yet though)

I don't think there is any basis to support this statement. Blake is a known violent criminal (which was known to police at the time), and is accused of grabbing someone by the pussy without consent (or warning).

1, Blake is not dead, so it is not murder. 2, there is zero evidence to support this is ratially motivated. The same is true for other recent police shootings involving black men. It is also true for the George Floyd case, in fact the body cam footage that the Democrat AG tried to keep under wraps is evidence that it was not racially motivated.

There is no evidence to support this statement.

He wasn't shot for walking away!
He was shot for reaching for a weapon (knife) that was inside the car.

Usually when you are in a fight and the police come and tell you to stop and identify yourself you are supposed to do it. He did not respond, turned around and started walking away.
At that point he was technically fleeing. He can be walking at a slow or a fast pace, it doesn't matter. A suspect that doesn't respond to commands, turns around and leaves is fleeing the scene.
Then he begun to enter a car at which point the police is allowed to stop him because people often have guns in glove boxes or under their seats. They could use tasers of grab him and force him out of the car but they saw the knife and one of them obviously panicked and put whole magazine in the poor guys back. I don't know if he held the knife or just had it lying there but they should have tazed him or shot him in the leg once. I wouldn't want to tackle someone with a knife. Would you? You don't know if he has HIV, covid or any other bug. Pepper spray, a taser or a shot in the leg. They're rookies for sure, but I wouldn't call it murder.

No it's not.

That's your opinion. The police doesn't know whose children they are and in what state of mind the guy is. He could be on drugs.


It was his car. They had to stop him from entering it or he'd be able to floor it and possibly run them over. What normal person carries a knife under his car seat? Do you? I sure don't.
What normal guy when asked to stop by armed police turns away, ignores them and goes towards a weapon?


No it's not a murder. They shot too many times but they had the right to shoot him in that situation.

a body cam costs $20

a bobcat armoured vehicle costs $xxx,xxx .. defund the bobcats. the 'maintenance' bill every 6 months could pay for alot more

as for the person in this topic saying he was 'fleeing' which is a felony.
i know in hindesight many people can easily say how things could have been done better

but WALKING away at a normal pace, should not warrant a gun to be aimed at you.
cops need better training. put them in a football field and teach them to tackle

if they would rather shoot someone to avoid injuring a shoulder tackling someone. then that is not a 'eye for an eye' defence
train them how to apprehend someone without the words 'stop or ill shoot'

cops should not be using guns as stopsigns. thats just lack of training and laziness

if a white guy was uninvited to a party and cops showed up. and talked to him in the front yard. they would have just said thank you for leaving the property now get in your car and have a nice day

I'm certain that defunding will be done at the least to slash those budgets for body cams.

Real reform and change will start to arise with proper organization against this misconduct perpetrated by these officers. Bitcoin will and should be essential to any of these activists that are trying to organize and need financing. Change unfortunately doesn't happen without the means to propel forward. People that are knowledgeable about Bitcoin should be the conduits to the on/off fiat ramps if they're needed.

@franky1 this is a clear case of racism, and there’s no doubt in my mind that had it been a white male in front of the officer, then he would have just fired in the air or fired at his knee to stop him.

@PrimeNumber7 the children mentioned are his three small children, and I don’t think that he was ever going to harm them.

Furthermore the video clearly shows him walking casually towards the car, he didn’t even make a run for it which would justify the officer’s claim that he was going for the knife.

Lastly this is a cold blooded murder and it took place because Blake was black, and American police needs to stop these murders asap.


Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-shooting-second-video-family-attorney-newday-vpx.cnn

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53909766

I don't think the issue is Americans being stupid (they're not), or the police being stupid (they're probably not).
Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society). If you couple police racism with the fact that they are allowed to use lethal force, then it becomes an extremely urgent problem.

Whilst you can often find single cases to illustrate any point you want, particularly in a country as vast as the US, the fact that the police felt able to treat Jacob Blake this way given the current climate is a huge warning sign. We've had months of BLM protests since George Floyd; police racism and casual murder of non-whites is right at the top of the news... and must surely be in the forefront of the minds of every frontline police officer out there. And still, despite this, despite the police being fully aware of the wider situation, they still feel perfectly happy to attack and kill non-whites whenever they feel like it, and with zero justification. History suggests they can act with impunity - it is rare that they face justice.

Blake was under lawful arrest, and was fleeing, which makes him a fleeing felon. Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm.

There were children in the car, and Blake was holding a knife. If the police has not used force to stop Blake, he could have taken the children hostage, or he could have used the knife on the children.

With what I read about the incident, Jacob black opened his car door, but maybe the police was thinking Jacob would bring out harmful weapon, this led to the police shooting him 7 times on his back. This is cruel as the act of a wicked person can be, the police did not shoot him 1 or 2 times but 7 times, which means the police could had hidden agenda. To me, I can call it racism because the police is a white man. The police is wicked and should be jailed for such awful misdeed. I like the fact that the police has been identified.

It would be nice if Kenosha PD had body cams so we could review the footage ourselves, but apparently that was in the budget for 2021. Hopefully this nonsense about defunding the police dies down and these cities at least mandate body cams.

i find it stupid that police feel the need to shoot someone under the normal 'self defense' clause that allows cops to shoot. yet the guy got shot in the back, meaning he was running away, not towards

i find it even more stupid that while jacob blake is paralysed in hospital. police now feel that he is a risk of running off

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have