If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

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Quote from: knowngunman on February 04, 2024, 07:46:16 AM

Quote from: Stalker22 on February 03, 2024, 05:08:42 PM

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

Well, thank you for that link and some clarification. The link is about the transfer of Forum domain to another and I don't think my question has been properly answered. I bolded some part of your comment which is the genesis of my initial question. I know it doesn't make any difference but if Satoshi himself appointed thymos as the admin, it could mean that thymos knows Satoshi or vice versa. I don't want to believe someone built a platform and all of a sudden, he left everything under the control of total strangers whom he never knew or met and disappeared. I might sound childish but thymos probably know whereabout of Satoshi, either dead or alive.

It was probably not all of a sudden. And as far as I know, theymos was not the only admin on the forum. You will notice that he is one of the oldest members and joined the forum only a few months after the forum was created. So it makes sense that Satoshi chose members who were active members of the community at the time and showed an interest in technology in the earliest days of Bitcoin. This does not necessarily mean that they knew each other or ever met in real life.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 09:31:19 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's easy, if Satoshi could disappear without anyone knowing then he would know how to come back and how to prove himself

If someone claims to be Satoshi and is busy trying to prove it, he is clearly not Satoshi. Satoshi knew how to disappear and he definitely knew how to come back, if he disappeared without planning it then he would never come back

Whatever Sats does, he should stay the fuck wherever he is.

There is going to be commotion everywhere if he suddenly shows up. And proving his identity isn't going to be easy. It would take years before there is a general agreement. And by that time, the bitcoin market would have collapse. And it wouldn't matter if he signs a message from his PGP key or nothing, there will be commotion every dam place on the earth because of his reappearance.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on February 04, 2024, 05:13:32 AM

Quote from: EFS on February 02, 2024, 12:01:01 AM

First of all Satoshi doesn't need to go back and prove himself.
"Besides opening one of the wallets" no matter what you do I wouldn't believe you are Satoshi. Even if you could sign a message I still wouldn't believe it. You may have his keys but not his identity. I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

So you’re saying Satoshi is Hal Finney is what I’m hearing

If not, I don’t get the notion of so many thinking Satoshi is dead. Satoshi plotted its every move with very precise precision.. Satoshi is clearly in to economics in a big way, and I’d bet the moon they planned long before they left, to do so. Every coin besides btc worth a darn or has any sort of market value has a known lead dev/creator/largest bag holder..and that goes against bitcoins principles ( a central figurehead ). Also (not saying this is you) it’s kind of funny that people reference his big known wallet that hasn’t moved as a clue of their demise.. I mean dude(s)(ets) created btc, pretty confident they created wallets, likely mined / purchased a bunch more through different outlets and perhaps different people on all sorts of different wallets..that large wallet sitting there provides a heck of a lot to bitcoins image.

I have my theories as it’s just fun to think about, but I’m glad they left and confident it’s for good..they want to see their massively historical creation continue to grow and thrive..which is helped by him staying gone.

I know theymos, Cyrus, hilarious etc just love these threads that NEVER come up ….so I’m done. Just had to say my 2 Satoshis

In my opinion, if Satoshi really comes back then he doesn't need to do anything and doesn't need to do a sig message to prove who he is, even though he forgot his email and password for his bitcointalk account. He just needs to create a new account and PM theymos and talk a little about the past. I think theymos will soon find out that he is the real satoshi or not. IMO

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Quote from: Stalker22 on February 03, 2024, 05:08:42 PM

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

Well, thank you for that link and some clarification. The link is about the transfer of Forum domain to another and I don't think my question has been properly answered. I bolded some part of your comment which is the genesis of my initial question. I know it doesn't make any difference but if Satoshi himself appointed thymos as the admin, it could mean that thymos knows Satoshi or vice versa. I don't want to believe someone built a platform and all of a sudden, he left everything under the control of total strangers whom he never knew or met and disappeared. I might sound childish but thymos probably know whereabout of Satoshi, either dead or alive.

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 04, 2024, 04:52:18 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on February 04, 2024, 04:15:19 AM

If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

With all due respect, I'm not so sure we can say for certain why Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous. You make a fair point that it could have been about keeping Bitcoin decentralized and safe from control. But there may be other reasons too that we just don't know. Satoshi never explained his thinking on all this and he hasn't said anything publicly about why he decided on anonymity. So were left to guess at his motivations based on the limited info we have.

Have you thought of those coin and project they said government have been attacking all these while? Yes it's true that no one's knows the reason for his disappearance but have you also forgotten how they were looking for him and many people where claiming to be satoshi why they are not. Lemme just say, people don't know if satoshi is a group of people or company that is teamed up for building out bitcoin and give a general name as satoshi.

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Quote from: EFS on February 02, 2024, 12:01:01 AM

First of all Satoshi doesn't need to go back and prove himself.
"Besides opening one of the wallets" no matter what you do I wouldn't believe you are Satoshi. Even if you could sign a message I still wouldn't believe it. You may have his keys but not his identity. I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

So you’re saying Satoshi is Hal Finney is what I’m hearing

If not, I don’t get the notion of so many thinking Satoshi is dead. Satoshi plotted its every move with very precise precision.. Satoshi is clearly in to economics in a big way, and I’d bet the moon they planned long before they left, to do so. Every coin besides btc worth a darn or has any sort of market value has a known lead dev/creator/largest bag holder..and that goes against bitcoins principles ( a central figurehead ). Also (not saying this is you) it’s kind of funny that people reference his big known wallet that hasn’t moved as a clue of their demise.. I mean dude(s)(ets) created btc, pretty confident they created wallets, likely mined / purchased a bunch more through different outlets and perhaps different people on all sorts of different wallets..that large wallet sitting there provides a heck of a lot to bitcoins image.

I have my theories as it’s just fun to think about, but I’m glad they left and confident it’s for good..they want to see their massively historical creation continue to grow and thrive..which is helped by him staying gone.

I know theymos, Cyrus, hilarious etc just love these threads that NEVER come up ….so I’m done. Just had to say my 2 Satoshis

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Quote from: Adbitco on February 04, 2024, 04:15:19 AM

If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

With all due respect, I'm not so sure we can say for certain why Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous. You make a fair point that it could have been about keeping Bitcoin decentralized and safe from control. But there may be other reasons too that we just don't know. Satoshi never explained his thinking on all this and he hasn't said anything publicly about why he decided on anonymity. So were left to guess at his motivations based on the limited info we have.

Quote from: Keawe on February 04, 2024, 04:41:12 AM

Satoshi never had an account at bpip.

What do you mean by that? Bpip doesn't have "accounts", it only aggregates data from the bitcointalk forum.

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If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

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Quote from: FinePoine0 on February 03, 2024, 10:36:08 AM

Since Satoshi is now with the secret we assume Satoshi is dead, but the only one who can open the wallet is Satoshi. Satoshi has sunk to the bottom of the deep sea and Satoshi has nothing to prove. The person Satoshi is sure to never look for ways to prove himself. Satoshi Nakamato is busy trying to prove that he's an idiot.

This is not about being idiotic or not, it is all about being neutral, which is why he created a decentralised system so that he himself will not have control over it. I think this is heroic and many would not be able to change it because they would want to be the owner, or at least the big name/figure known with it.

But Satoshi is selfless in this regard and it is a good characteristic. But his decision not to be known is not 100% good for the system, and this is one reason why I would have loved it if he could do it better, or reveal himself for recognition. But I do not think this will ever happen.

Is it dead? I don't think so, he actually hands down purposefully and also made his intention about it known before he hands down.

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Quote from: knowngunman on February 03, 2024, 03:14:16 PM

Does this mean that Satoshi and thymos or other administrative staffs have any form of relationship? I'm just curious! If I am not mistaken, he (Satoshi) created the forum and I don't think anyone will handle anything vital as this forum to a random person and disappear. If he did not personally handle it to them, how did thymos and others assume the leadership role in the forum?

I'm not too good in tech and I don't know how the system operates but something is not clear to me here. I hope I'm not thinking nonsense... I really need some enlightenment.

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

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I think it is widely accepted no matter the evidence someone would present in the future to support their case for being Satoshi Nakamoto, it will not be believed because known addresses can be signed but they can also be compromised too (just as the GMX email address). Also, it is widely accepted Satoshi was more likely a group rather than an individual therefore proving anything will be extremely problematic.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

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Quote from: dzungmobile on February 01, 2024, 12:39:38 PM

Satoshi Namamoto left the forum since 2010 and over the years, the forum head administrator was changed from sirius to theymos. Satoshi Nakamoto no longer has access to forum domain, forum administration and his account was even locked by theymos.

He can come back, can get his account back but must sign a message with his PGP key, to prove that he is actual Satoshi Nakamoto. If he succeeds, theymos will unlock his account and maybe he will become a head administrator again.

Before that, he can not do any of three aformentioned points.

Does this mean that Satoshi and thymos or other administrative staffs have any form of relationship? I'm just curious! If I am not mistaken, he (Satoshi) created the forum and I don't think anyone will handle anything vital as this forum to a random person and disappear. If he did not personally handle it to them, how did thymos and others assume the leadership role in the forum?

I'm not too good in tech and I don't know how the system operates but something is not clear to me here. I hope I'm not thinking nonsense... I really need some enlightenment.

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Since Satoshi is now with the secret we assume Satoshi is dead, but the only one who can open the wallet is Satoshi. Satoshi has sunk to the bottom of the deep sea and Satoshi has nothing to prove. The person Satoshi is sure to never look for ways to prove himself. Satoshi Nakamato is busy trying to prove that he's an idiot.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?

Satoshi is not in darkness but rather in light. He sees more than most of us, he could also be involved in BTC more than most of us. He could also be in this forum but the advantage he has is that he won't be receiving countless and spam messages asking him some irrelevant questions. The government is not after him, so he is living the most peaceful life anyone can think.

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 01, 2024, 09:52:40 AM

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's an easy and easiest problem for Satoshi to prove himself here.
1. Satoshi has an account here: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Satoshi, By activating the account, 90% of people here already believe that it is Satoshi.

Only 50% will believe. The rest and including myself will say that theymos activated the account.

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 01, 2024, 09:52:40 AM

2. Satoshi has access to this Forum in all areas, with him deactivating certain discussion boards and moving, eliminating some of the topics here, everyone here already believes it is Satoshi.
3. By creating several new discussion boards, it will be even more certain that Satoshi is real.

These are things that theymos do. So, Satoshi doing them will not prove anything as we will still believe it's theymos that is doing them.

To me, what he needs to do are;

Reappear here
Sign a message with the known keys
Start sending bitcoin to random users in the forum from his known address

But then, all these will not happen.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 02, 2024, 08:04:01 AM

You gave a bad example as you are comparing Satoshi who is anonymous to someone who is not. Fake AI generated videos are still circulating at large while he is still in the public eye. They are not so good now whereas they will be unrecognizable in the coming 10 years. This makes me question why would he leave the limelight that he has now and come back after 10 years only to be part of the limelight again Grin

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That was just an example, it could be anyone else as well not only Elon Musk, but surely if you read it again then you will find that I gave a valid example because these days AI is getting much advance especially the AI where someone can swap another person's face and make it movable.

I know Elon Musk will not leave the limelight but just think if he does then surely many people will try to make his reappearance by using fake AI generated videos. I know Satoshi is anonymous and that's why each time someone claims to be Satoshi while Elon Musk isn't anonymous but man AI is getting smarter each day and those who can use AI can make fake videos of Elon Musk or someone else that disappears just as an example. If I'm not wrong then Jack Ma also disappeared from limelight for many weeks.

I'm sure that in coming 5 years it would be impossible for us to differentiate between AI generated videos and the real ones. The GPU's are getting beefy each year with extra VRAM and graphics power and now with extra AI acceleration. AI based software just love that extra VRAM and with more VRAM the editors who use AI video editing can increase the resolution of the images and that will make face swapping totally look like real.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

Satoshi Nakamata need not present himself to prove himself, for the Satoshi Nakamato who may be hidden will have ample opportunity to return, but never attempt to prove himself.
Satoshi is someone who has been undercover once and won't try to come back a second time, because even if he does come back he won't be too busy to prove himself. The person currently identified as Satoshi Nakamate still resides in Fool's Paradise.

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Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 10:42:30 AM

Proving is easy he is the only one who holds his private keys and he is the one who creates the whitepaper

You can add access to his account on this forum.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 10:42:30 AM

but the much bigger question is why would he need to prove himself

All Faketoshi's first of all try to prove that it is they Satoshi Nakamoto and for this they begin to invent various stories. I believe that if Satoshi ever comes back (which I very much doubt), he will not do any of this. He will just be himself and do what he did before he left.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 10:42:30 AM

and why would he come out now, there are dangers if he expose now, from the government from the bad elements and from those who are envious on the amount that is in his wallet.

The main danger is not only this. Satoshi's return will allow him to influence the entire BTC-network and this will be the end of decentralization. This was the essence of his departure.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 10:42:30 AM

No security can provide his safety he is too important now more than ever and I don't know a single reason why he needs to expose himself.

He was always very important.

This reason never existed.

If the bitcoin founder ceases to be anonymous, then how anonymous (correction, pseudo-anonymous) can his brainchild be?

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Proving is easy he is the only one who holds his private keys and he is the one who creates the whitepaper there is no document to provide, but the much bigger question is why would he need to prove himself and why would he come out now, there are dangers if he expose now, from the government from the bad elements and from those who are envious on the amount that is in his wallet.
No security can provide his safety he is too important now more than ever and I don't know a single reason why he needs to expose himself.

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Quote from: SamReomo on February 01, 2024, 04:07:05 PM

If someone is Satoshi then he doesn't need to prove that he's Satoshi. Like Elon Musk doesn't needs to prove that he's Elon Musk even if he disappears for 10 years. During that time 100's of people can use Fake AI generated videos by claiming that they're Elon Musk but no one trust them, however when he reappears then he doesn't need to prove that he's the real Elon Musk.

You gave a bad example as you are comparing Satoshi who is anonymous to someone who is not. Fake AI generated videos are still circulating at large while he is still in the public eye. They are not so good now whereas they will be unrecognizable in the coming 10 years. This makes me question why would he leave the limelight that he has now and come back after 10 years only to be part of the limelight again Grin

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

I have read your responses, and it seems to me that you are intentionally trying to provoke or upset others online, which is commonly referred to as being a troll. I also suspect your account is an alt account as it is evident you know where to post and the way you are replying to replies of forum members. Please remember that Satoshi is long gone and we do not want someone in the forum trying to prove he is Satoshi. We have already seen the drama of faketoshi. None of us are interested in the same show again.

Why don't you come up with an idea to fake the identity of one of the private coin developers? I would love to see that drama as it will keep me more engaged in a discussion than this post of yours will do.

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He created everything that we all know now about Bitcoin so it will be easy for him to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto, he doesn't need to prove to anyone that he is he can come posting in the style that he is accustomed and open his wallet and sign in is just a proof that he is the real Nakamoto.
But he must have a good reason why he wants to come back, there's a lot of risk for him if he shows up now.
The interest on Nakamoto is so high and the value of the Bitcoin he is holding now will put him and his loved ones in danger there are a new breed of hackers and trackers to track him, he should remain a mystery.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 09:33:13 PM

Even if Satoshi sold his entire lot of 1 million coins it would definitely not be enough to "crash" the markets.

I think it would. Satoshi deciding to sell off his Bitcoins would cause a massive hysteria in the crypto community. Headlines would be spun around it:
Has the founder lost faith in his creation?
Has the security of the founder been breached, how safe are your bitcoins then?
Bitcoin; a ship without a captain

The list goes on and on. The government would sponsor propaganda against it and there would be a massive crash. What I would be confident about is that Bitcoin would recover from it.

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Quote from: EFS on February 02, 2024, 12:01:01 AM

I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

That's what came in my mind, I believe only a few people who could be Satoshi Nakamoto are not alive anymore. Only one person who's still alive can be Satoshi Nakamoto but he totally rejects that he's Satoshi or he has created Bitcoin and that's why Satoshi won't reappear and anyone who claims 100's of times that he's Satoshi is just an impostor.

I also agree that even if someone signs a message from Satoshi's wallets I would also not trust that person. Satoshi is still alive in our heart and that's the best place for him I guess. Long live Satoshi in our hearts and in our emotions, you're a true genius and only genuine master of cryptography!

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No need to prove, he will appear just like he's disappeared on us through all these years, also why do we need to do this useless thing? Of speculating how he will come back and prove himself, I'm sure that it will come to light when the time is right. Let the old dogs sleep so soundly, I think that whatever purpose we think Satoshi serves, he's going to disagree on that and he's better off as figurehead than a spokesperson at this point, kind of like Jesus or Buddha, they've done their part of giving us the tools, it's now up to us how we will use it to further spread their message, at least that's what I believe this to be the similarity to the current dilemma of who's Satoshi and when will he come back, and wouldn't knowing right now how Satoshi will prove himself as the real deal a bad thing because we don't know if there's a false one that will try their best to pretend that they're that person and the proofs that they learn could be a potential tool for them fool a lot of us.

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First of all Satoshi doesn't need to go back and prove himself.
"Besides opening one of the wallets" no matter what you do I wouldn't believe you are Satoshi. Even if you could sign a message I still wouldn't believe it. You may have his keys but not his identity. I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 09:33:13 PM

Satoshi built Bitcoin for the 🌎, for the people. Look there are over 1 million digital assets and still growing. Even if Satoshi sold his entire lot of 1 million coins it would definitely not be enough to "crash" the markets.

It depends on how he went about selling them. He could certainly crash the price at least temporarily by placing a market sell for 1000s of BTC at a time. The fallout would be greater than your average whale manipulation as these are Satoshi's coins, after all. Everyone would be speculating that maybe he knew something that nobody else did.

Plus the moment his coins are moved, we're all gonna know about it. The price would likely drop before he ever got a chance to sell even 1 BTC.

Barring some major catastrophe - like a hidden backdoor in Bitcoin's cryptography - its true that the market would eventually absorb them and the normal price trajectory would resume, this time minus the unknowns imposed by Satoshi's Stash. It could take years, though. Who knows. With any luck these are dead coins and will never move.

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Satoshi built Bitcoin for the 🌎, for the people. Look there are over 1 million digital assets and still growing. Even if Satoshi sold his entire lot of 1 million coins it would definitely not be enough to "crash" the markets. He's probably a major geek and has been watching his baby grow into a giant system. Stay innovative my friends. Nothing is as it seems. Question everything. Aloha everyday BTC

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

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I have come across a thread that this kind of question was asked too and after I read through the comments and opinions of other users, I just agreed with some of their opinion. One user said that Satoshi might be living an ancient lifestyle in a cool house where he doesn't use very modern and fancy tech device but with an old fashion desktop and he is not even concerned about his lost wallet address. He is only happy for the success of his creation. I feel convinced that satoshi is not coming out from where ever he is but even if he does, there could be few things that he will be asked to do to prove he is Satoshi, we can guess what those things are but might not be right about them too but what we must know is that, he was the one that created the technology, so he actually knows what he can do to create a problem.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

Actually all of us here don't know what's really going onabout Satoshi nakamoto's life if he dead already or he is alive but didn't access this forum or else he is in the forum but still anonymous. There are a lot of questions came out to our mind but one thing for sure if Satoshi will came back here in this forum then Al out questioned will be answered. Anyways there's a chance that Satoshi will came back but we don't know when as we saw what other quoted above.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.

What do you mean by "besides opening one of the wallets"? Signing a message with one of the private keys is the most effective way to prove ownership and access to those keys.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics?

Of course there would be skeptics. No one in their right mind would accept such evidence. How would you prove an "original whitepaper doc" anyway?

Quote from: kaka_Shipai on February 01, 2024, 08:38:19 AM

Well, if you are satoshi Nakamoto, then the first thing you can do is to send some donations to some accounts and crash the market, so that the price of Bitcoin can be lower.

That would be just plain stupid, wouldn't it?

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If you're satoshi nakamoto then you already know how to prove it and would never consider doing so as you took extreme precaution in hiding your identity.

A different perspective is that we are all satoshi, so there's really no need for anyone to have to prove anything. Well, unless you're Craig Wright who may seemingly become the only person in the world to be proven not to be satoshi nakamoto. Then besides the typical embarrassment, you also are the only human being who ever existed that cannot say you're satoshi nakamoto. Cheesy

For the rest of us, we are satoshi.

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If someone is Satoshi then he doesn't need to prove that he's Satoshi. Like Elon Musk doesn't needs to prove that he's Elon Musk even if he disappears for 10 years. During that time 100's of people can use Fake AI generated videos by claiming that they're Elon Musk but no one trust them, however when he reappears then he doesn't need to prove that he's the real Elon Musk.

Satoshi disappeared from the scene because that was good for him and for Bitcoin. If he really needed praise and fame then he would never disappear. His main motive was to create a currency that anyone can use without any restrictions and he created that currency, and when he knew that the currency he built got active users then instead of getting followers and fans, he chose to disappear so community can use the project without any fear.

Those who claim to be Satoshi are always fake ones because real Satoshi will never do that. If he needs to reappear then he will reappear and trust me when he gets active then people will consider him mighty. Satoshi is here in the form of Bitcoin just feel his presence because he gave us a coin that's so precious and more valuable than Gold.

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Quote from: kaka_Shipai on February 01, 2024, 08:38:19 AM

Well, if you are satoshi Nakamoto, then the first thing you can do is to send some donations to some accounts and crash the market, so that the price of Bitcoin can be lower. This way everyone will know that the driver of the Satoshi's account is back and everyone will start believing you.

Why would he do such a thing? A sane person can’t do that and he can’t be that type of person. What will he prove by altering the movement of the market. There are other ways he can prove that he is Satoshi without having to intentionally influencing the market price. Signing a message with his PGP key is amongst many others to prove his identity here in the forum. Satoshi doesn’t need to prove himself to the world once he’s back, everything will be so obvious that you don’t need to be told that this is Satoshi.

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Quote from: kaka_Shipai on February 01, 2024, 08:38:19 AM

Well, if you are satoshi Nakamoto, then the first thing you can do is to send some donations to some accounts and crash the market, so that the price of Bitcoin can be lower. This way everyone will know that the driver of the Satoshi's account is back and everyone will start believing you.

This is the last thing a responsible person will do.
According to research, LiteCoin is still suffering from the silly move of Charlie and has lost its rank as Bitcoin Silver till today.
The only way Satoshi can prove himself to be real Satoshi Nakamoto is by writing a Bitcoin signed message from the Exodus wallet not crashing the market.

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If satoshi come back on this forum, then I don't think he needs to activate his main account again. He's not coming back to be known because he's already famous, but if he does come back, maybe there's something that needs to be worked out. We never even know for sure whether satoshi is around us, perhaps some people have interacted with it without realizing that it is satoshi. Who knows?

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If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?

Experts might catch him and take his DNA so they know who else is in his bloodline, or something else that would likely be detrimental for satoshi.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on February 01, 2024, 09:52:40 AM

It's an easy and easiest problem for Satoshi to prove himself here.
1. Satoshi has an account here: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Satoshi, By activating the account, 90% of people here already believe that it is Satoshi.
2. Satoshi has access to this Forum in all areas, with him deactivating certain discussion boards and moving, eliminating some of the topics here, everyone here already believes it is Satoshi.
3. By creating several new discussion boards, it will be even more certain that Satoshi is real.

You are missing many points.

Satoshi Namamoto left the forum since 2010 and over the years, the forum head administrator was changed from sirius to theymos. Satoshi Nakamoto no longer has access to forum domain, forum administration and his account was even locked by theymos.

He can come back, can get his account back but must sign a message with his PGP key, to prove that he is actual Satoshi Nakamoto. If he succeeds, theymos will unlock his account and maybe he will become a head administrator again.

Before that, he can not do any of three aformentioned points.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's an easy and easiest problem for Satoshi to prove himself here.
1. Satoshi has an account here: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Satoshi, By activating the account, 90% of people here already believe that it is Satoshi.
2. Satoshi has access to this Forum in all areas, with him deactivating certain discussion boards and moving, eliminating some of the topics here, everyone here already believes it is Satoshi.
3. By creating several new discussion boards, it will be even more certain that Satoshi is real.

It wasn't difficult for Satoshi to prove himself here and it wasn't a difficult thing to do, but I don't think that will happen again, even if it did happen, it would make the world uproar, especially in the crypto market.
Satoshi, actually made himself like Bitcoin, anonymous, rarely remembering his creation.

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Well, if you are satoshi Nakamoto, then the first thing you can do is to send some donations to some accounts and crash the market, so that the price of Bitcoin can be lower. This way everyone will know that the driver of the Satoshi's account is back and everyone will start believing you.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC. So young that statistically speaking his brain wasn't even fully developed when he first deployed BTC. The human mind isn't fully developed until the age of 25 for most males.

So what? He wouldn't be the first inventor to invent something revolutionary at a very young age.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC. So young that statistically speaking his brain wasn't even fully developed when he first deployed BTC. The human mind isn't fully developed until the age of 25 for most males.

I think you are fantasizing too much about some things that no one can prove anyway. It's completely nonsensical that you claim that Satoshi Nakamoto was genius enough to create Bitcoin, and that he didn't have a sufficiently developed brain to understand that it didn't need to disappear in order for Bitcoin to be what it is today?

You also assume that Satoshi was male, and what if he was actually female?

Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

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Usually, nothing is as it seems, and if the person or persons behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto had a plan (and it is very likely) then the goal of that plan was to convince us of something completely opposite to what is considered the truth today. In his last messages, Satoshi stated anyway that he was leaving Bitcoin in good hands and that he would deal with other things, and he must have done a lot that we certainly cannot attribute to him. However, I don't believe that he has ever made or will make something that will be more successful than Bitcoin.

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Quote from: ABCbits on February 01, 2024, 05:39:22 AM

FYI some people believe real Satoshi wouldn't return and would assume anyone who claim as Satoshi as fake.

We are all Satoshi by using Bitcoin for transactions and satoshi (the smallest unit of Bitcoin) for transaction fee.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

No. But rather than critic, there would be many disbelief and skepticism. faketoshi CSW attempt to forge several document/file (which found out by government) which makes people more careful against such proof.

Craig Wright made many attempts to convince people that he is Satoshi Nakamoto but failed.

Craig Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto: What is The Truth About the Bitcoin Founder?
Craig Wright’s ‘Lies and Deception’ Justify Minimal Damages Claim, UK Judges Say
How Many Wrongs Make a Wright?
Craig Wright's Copyright Claim
Copy of e-files correspondence.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

FYI some people believe real Satoshi wouldn't return and would assume anyone who claim as Satoshi as fake.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?

No. But rather than critic, there would be many disbelief and skepticism. faketoshi CSW attempt to forge several document/file (which found out by government) which makes people more careful against such proof.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC.

I'd rather you not speculate on Satoshi - especially if it's irrelevant. Who really knows that Satoshi was just one person and not a group - who can guarantee that?

After all, we all never know at what age Satoshi created bitcoin ^{[if he was one person]} and how many people were involved in the group if it consisted of several people. I'm not trying to speculate wildly about it and sniff out something that Satoshi probably never did. It's somewhat reasonable not to speculate on him and hope he returns - but he won't ruin this empire that has been built if he comes back.

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Quote from: HmmMAA on February 01, 2024, 01:20:49 AM

The problem with that PGP key is that while you can see in the wayback machine the first snapshot of bitcoin.org archived with date 31 Jan 2009 ( https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/ ) , if you click the PGP key link at the bottom of the page it will transfer you to a page that has it archived with date 28 Feb 2011 and not with the same date as the original webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc ) .
So , to my understanding , that PGP key means nothing as someone with access to bitcoin.org could have change the original and placed there another one .

It is also here & a few other places:

https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

When you import it into a PGP program, it shows that the key was created 10/31/2008 and includes the email address "[email protected]".

Since the archived version on bitcoin.org only goes back to Feb 2011, yes, we'd have to trust that the key was not altered between the time Satoshi first added it to the website and the date of the archive. Seeing as how Satoshi was communicating with others up until April 2011, its likely that its the same key. Updates to DNS records for bitcoin.org suggest the domain didn't leave his control until May 2, 2011.

According to theymos, sirius was also an operator of bitcoin.org during this time -- he would have no motivation to change the PGP key either.

Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

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Fast forward to Dogecoin and he does it again.
...

To quote satoshi,

Quote from: satoshi on July 28, 2010, 10:10:46 PM

WTF?

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Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC. So young that statistically speaking his brain wasn't even fully developed when he first deployed BTC. The human mind isn't fully developed until the age of 25 for most males. When he does come back I could predict that BTC might be like Steve Jobs first Mac. Brilliant, but a bleep compared to what he would eventually create. I know BTC will always be an integral part of the future of blockchain technology, but what if Satoshj only worked on it for a few hours making it easy for him to forget? Fast forward to Dogecoin and he does it again. This time for only a day or so. Only to forget again and than be reminded of his work so long ago when the same person that he worked on it with ended up in the same grocery store as him nearly 8 years later and 3000 miles from where it all began. Pure fun and imagination ofcourse. But what if everything you thought wasn't what you thought? What if he was still alive and working on something at this very moment? Would you want to be a part of such a project or would your scorn at the thought? BTC Toodles 🍜 LIFE IS SUPPOSED 2 B FUN 😁

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Quote from: nutildah on January 31, 2024, 10:58:47 PM

In addition to signing a message from an address known to be controlled by him, he could also sign a message from this PGP key, which is the same one he was talking about here:

Quote from: satoshi on July 25, 2010, 06:06:57 PM

For future reference, here's my public key. It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008. Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know. But signing the same message from both bitcoin address and PGP key would certainly be a good start for proving that he was back.

The problem with that PGP key is that while you can see in the wayback machine the first snapshot of bitcoin.org archived with date 31 Jan 2009 ( https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/ ) , if you click the PGP key link at the bottom of the page it will transfer you to a page that has it archived with date 28 Feb 2011 and not with the same date as the original webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc ) .
So , to my understanding , that PGP key means nothing as someone with access to bitcoin.org could have change the original and placed there another one .

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What is your motivation for these questions? This is the fourth time you asking about something related to Satoshi and you have not responded to the answers. You will not be able to know anything about Satoshi with information available to everyone, and hidden information will be paid. If anyone was able to determine Satoshi's identity, he would be famous.

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That is precisely the added value that satoshi introduced because crypto is not about how to save time by presenting the vision and mission in a widespread identity, let alone bitcoin which is very important to use. Because everything in our explorer is black on white by saving raw paper reports. So that people are confident with bitcoin transactions that are more confidential but common. Many buyers are moving to bitcoin rather than their wealth is too potentially dangerous for companies, institutions and intuitive units and even users themselves.

Nowadays maybe everyone is comfortable with the incognito system (like satoshi) in transactions, so everyone can create an address for free and satoshi is not lost, he is among us and this is the future. BITCOIN is satoshi and SATOSHI is bitcoin united in a masterpiece.

If in the future he reveals his identity on this forum it will add and there are unexpected updates that will certainly be eagerly awaited by everyone the arrival of the maestro. For me proving with recognition I can do but bitcoin and satoshi are recognized all the time that is very important.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?

I've been reading about the whitepaper to be issued by Satoshi, but do you think it is necessary? Besides, in my experience, a whitepaper is being issued only by a government, an organization or a company. Is Satoshi any of those? He never created Bitcoin in a company or an organisation's capacity, he created it for everyone. So those who are waiting for the whitepaper will continue to wait forever.

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If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?

If any document is produced, it can't hold any water, all that could be done so that people will believe it is truly Satoshi is to make the wallet signings and move his Bitcoin asset. Then, people will believe. Talk is cheap, action is the main thing.

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I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?

Well, his intention is to give everyone the freehand, which he actually did. His coming outside means nothing except for his personal recognition and a weighed contribution in Bitcoin advancements.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 31, 2024, 10:58:47 PM

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know.

Signing a message is not mandatory. If Satoshi Nakamoto already announced his PSG key and his Bitcoin addresses, when he comes back, he can sign messages from those keys as part of evidence. Maybe we will need more than just signed messages to verify Satoshi Nakamoto return.

Quote from: theymos on April 25, 2013, 02:12:22 PM

His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature.

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In addition to signing a message from an address known to be controlled by him, he could also sign a message from this PGP key, which is the same one he was talking about here:

Quote from: satoshi on July 25, 2010, 06:06:57 PM

For future reference, here's my public key. It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008. Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know. But signing the same message from both bitcoin address and PGP key would certainly be a good start for proving that he was back.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

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If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's easy, if Satoshi could disappear without anyone knowing then he would know how to come back and how to prove himself

If someone claims to be Satoshi and is busy trying to prove it, he is clearly not Satoshi. Satoshi knew how to disappear and he definitely knew how to come back, if he disappeared without planning it then he would never come back

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If Satoshi ever appears (which I think is very difficult to happen), what could happen is there will be some kind of hysteria from those who don't understand bitcoin.

The people who really understand don't care about that, because the little monster that Satoshi created, not even he can control.

But considering that satoshi moves the coins... where will he move? somewhere where he can have his privacy exposed? very unlikely.

I still think Satoshi was Hal, and Hal is dead, therefore Satoshi is dead

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This curiosity questions has been asked and answer several times in this forum.

I don't think any of this will ever happen because it's been decade since Bitcoin launch and Satoshi did not show up so its never gonna happen.

And I have been hearing rumors that Satoshi Nakamoto is dead already I don't know if it's true or not but believe me his never going to show up any day.

For sure if he was alive or shows up any time, what ever action he takes will have a positive and negative effect in Bitcoin market but not Bitcoin it self because bitcoin is not centralized or should I say everything that happens in Bitcoin is decided by me and you and the bitcoins devs.

Finally I will say you should wake up to reality and stop asking too much questions there is alot going around bitcoin that you should be worried about not all this past curiosities.

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Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

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