If nations can't pay debt to bankers then nations go to in war

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Quote from: Mrbuck on January 06, 2025, 05:32:20 AM

Once debt level high so high that nobody can't pay back there is no free meals in this world world is not run by love compassion but it's business and by FORCE police force goverment force military force and law endorcement.
There is no such a thing that you say you can't pay with money or assets or work then you simply just don't pay well then you go to war.
Countries who got high debt level definately will get involved in wars more.
Debt Will be settled by fighting, nothing really changed from old roman times or accient slave and rulers times our world leaders have the same old mentality they just know how to hide it.
Switzerland are neutral country all the world leaders got their directions from there its a bankers center off course nobody don't talk about this where the true bankers organise all those wars they even keep their old ancesasters pharonic tradions BIS is located aswell there wich directs all the other banks.

Sounds good, but it would be ideal if we take the last 100 years as an example, list all the wars, identify those who started the war, and evaluate the state of their economy. That would be very open and reasoned. I assume you must have data on which you based your theory ?
I would be very grateful for the publication of such data, it will be interesting to analyze each case to answer - to what extent your theory is correct.

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It depends on the country. A colony like the USA that is run by arms dealers and weapons manufacturers is always going to choose war. But there are other weaker countries with lots of issues and people who don't want to or cannot fight. They choose another way to pay their debts like Turkey where their president has been selling the country to the Arabs. From selling the soil to the strategic industries!

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national debt is different and it is more complex than it seems. if in a case a country is unable to pay its debt, then the country will file for debt restructuring and negotiate until how they can get an extension of payment or just pay the interest. or another impact is that it will affect the economy and cause the level of investor or banking confidence in the country to decrease, and that can lead to more difficult economic conditions and political instability.

but in some cases this does not apply to strong economic countries, for example the US which has defaulted several times and raised its debt threshold to be able to borrow again or limit unnecessary spending. but in weak economic countries this can lead to an economic crisis and political instability in the country, we can take the example of Greece, Argentina, Sri Lanka, and Venezuela, those are examples of countries that were destroyed due to being unable to pay their debts, and maybe they need time to recover.

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The United States of America is one of the most indebted countries in the world, but it is not subject to any threat from creditors and it is completely unlikely that it will enter into a war with any party because of these debts. I have never heard of a country that has been involved in a war because of its debts. Debts can cause an internal crisis in terms of the people's spending power, which can lead to political problems.

A country's public debt is part of its economic structure and the political class works with economists to maintain the balance of the economy. Most countries in the world owe other countries and sources of financing with debts accumulated for years. Everyone knows that debts cannot be denied and not paid because this will make them international isolated, at the same time creditors always give loans on lenient terms depending on the country's situation.

This does not conflict with the idea that foreign debts can lead to excessive dependence on creditors in a way that allows them to violate the sovereignty of countries and interfere in their policies.

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Quote from: Mrbuck on January 06, 2025, 05:32:20 AM

Once debt level high so high that nobody can't pay back there is no free meals in this world world is not run by love compassion but it's business and by FORCE police force goverment force military force and law endorcement.
There is no such a thing that you say you can't pay with money or assets or work then you simply just don't pay well then you go to war.
Countries who got high debt level definately will get involved in wars more.
Debt Will be settled by fighting, nothing really changed from old roman times or accient slave and rulers times our world leaders have the same old mentality they just know how to hide it.
Switzerland are neutral country all the world leaders got their directions from there its a bankers center off course nobody don't talk about this where the true bankers organise all those wars they even keep their old ancesasters pharonic tradions BIS is located aswell there wich directs all the other banks.

Every country could not afford War because War destroys the economy of poor country because it takes more resources for the defense and attack purpose. USA is super power and it could afford War because it will force to the G7 group to pay money for the War and they will attack on small country which is not super power because if they attacked on the Atomic power then they will face decline in Economy. Russia is also atomic power and that is Ally and it is supported by many countries and that is the reason Russia did not drop weapons in the Ukraine War and they are in the Ukraine and sorround all country.India is also atomic power but India could not attack on the Pakistan because Pakistan is also super power and Pak army is top of the World.

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Quote from: icalical on January 08, 2025, 02:26:03 AM

High debt leading to war seems logical but that is not always the case. For example, Japan has one of the highest debt-to-GDP ratios, yet it is a peaceful nation, while the US has its debt increased by wars like Iraq and Afghanistan. It is usually more complex than just "debt causes war." As for Switzerland, indeed the country is known for its neutrality and its banking. The BIS in Basel does have a coordinating role in world banking, and to say that Swiss bankers are the secret controllers of global conflict seems like a real stretch. Their secretive nature with money has made them powerful, indeed, but there is no hard evidence of their involvement in organizing wars. Reality is much more subtle than comparisons with ancient empires.

I believe it depends on how each country is being oriented how they can approach their economic aspect of things. Some are being adamant in going to the war for economic reasons. But some don't. Though we can't exactly tell their reasons behind, but definitely, there's politics involved in such decisions. We don't know their ulterior motives but there's particular driving force why they are going to war in this digital era. As we all know, news can spread fast these days because of technology. So no one can just secretly do his things without the knowledge of media or any social media platform. Let us put it this way, this digital age is quite different as we have the fast media nowadays how to learn what is really happening around us.

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Quote from: Mrbuck on January 06, 2025, 05:32:20 AM

Once debt level high so high that nobody can't pay back there is no free meals in this world world is not run by love compassion but it's business and by FORCE police force goverment force military force and law endorcement.
There is no such a thing that you say you can't pay with money or assets or work then you simply just don't pay well then you go to war.
Countries who got high debt level definately will get involved in wars more.
Debt Will be settled by fighting, nothing really changed from old roman times or accient slave and rulers times our world leaders have the same old mentality they just know how to hide it.
Switzerland are neutral country all the world leaders got their directions from there its a bankers center off course nobody don't talk about this where the true bankers organise all those wars they even keep their old ancesasters pharonic tradions BIS is located aswell there wich directs all the other banks.

You maybe need to go on an economics course because you have a pretty weak, or even non-existent, trail of reasoning. Bankers are getting paid all day, every day, and are living in absolute luxury. Sure they don't mind war happening in poor places far away but have no interest in ruining the peace around them in places like North America or Europe. They will lend money to both sides and get paid, but they still want a normal sanctuary in the richer countries of the world. I think the idea that Switzerland is neutral is long gone, especially after America pierced their private banking bubble, and that was just an excuse in the past to avoid fighting for good. Maybe lay off the conspiracy theories, because you can barely put together a normal theory.

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High debt leading to war seems logical but that is not always the case. For example, Japan has one of the highest debt-to-GDP ratios, yet it is a peaceful nation, while the US has its debt increased by wars like Iraq and Afghanistan. It is usually more complex than just "debt causes war." As for Switzerland, indeed the country is known for its neutrality and its banking. The BIS in Basel does have a coordinating role in world banking, and to say that Swiss bankers are the secret controllers of global conflict seems like a real stretch. Their secretive nature with money has made them powerful, indeed, but there is no hard evidence of their involvement in organizing wars. Reality is much more subtle than comparisons with ancient empires.

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Quote from: Perfectbaby on January 06, 2025, 08:01:31 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on January 06, 2025, 06:29:02 AM

And how much more with the other countries that also have debts, everyone needs to adjust with all of these matters that are affecting our lives. Inflation, crisis, pandemic, low wage and all of these leads people to ask for a debt and when the time of payment comes, because of problems, many can't even afford to pay the interest which is the sad truth. We don't want another war to go on or any other reset. Undecided

We are on twenty first (21st) century and not in the 19th and 20th centuries where countries and Nations declared wars ignorantly over every little thing and currently there are lot of mineral resources which some country could used to pay off their debt, as we have Gold, Diamond, Gas, Crude Oil and many more a Nation could used to clear their debt. So, why should there be war anymore?

You've just mentioned the resources why there are wars that are being started. For the exploration of those precious resources and to be taken over by the reigning country and expand their territories.

Quote from: Perfectbaby on January 06, 2025, 08:01:31 AM

Apart from that individual loan can be paid gradually without having to go into war, the only problems will be that the interest rate might be too high higher than expected, and of course there are countries that uses credit card, and when you don't have sufficient balance you can buy on credit and gets debited whenever you are being credited from work place.

While that's true that individual citizens can pay their dues and loans, it's still a different matter when it's the country and the government itself has been accounted for their loans. And don't compare the actual debt of a country with credit cards and such from individual sources and credits.

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Quote from: passwordnow on January 06, 2025, 06:29:02 AM

And how much more with the other countries that also have debts, everyone needs to adjust with all of these matters that are affecting our lives. Inflation, crisis, pandemic, low wage and all of these leads people to ask for a debt and when the time of payment comes, because of problems, many can't even afford to pay the interest which is the sad truth. We don't want another war to go on or any other reset. Undecided

We are on twenty first (21st) century and not in the 19th and 20th centuries where countries and Nations declared wars ignorantly over every little thing and currently there are lot of mineral resources which some country could used to pay off their debt, as we have Gold, Diamond, Gas, Crude Oil and many more a Nation could used to clear their debt. So, why should there be war anymore?
Apart from that individual loan can be paid gradually without having to go into war, the only problems will be that the interest rate might be too high higher than expected, and of course there are countries that uses credit card, and when you don't have sufficient balance you can buy on credit and gets debited whenever you are being credited from work place.

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Didn't we have an idea already on how economy can reset? It's not only with wars but also with pandemic and crisis. The US debt keeps on increasing every split second that we're spending: https://www.usdebtclock.org/
And how much more with the other countries that also have debts, everyone needs to adjust with all of these matters that are affecting our lives. Inflation, crisis, pandemic, low wage and all of these leads people to ask for a debt and when the time of payment comes, because of problems, many can't even afford to pay the interest which is the sad truth. We don't want another war to go on or any other reset. Undecided

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Once debt level high so high that nobody can't pay back there is no free meals in this world world is not run by love compassion but it's business and by FORCE police force goverment force military force and law endorcement.
There is no such a thing that you say you can't pay with money or assets or work then you simply just don't pay well then you go to war.
Countries who got high debt level definately will get involved in wars more.
Debt Will be settled by fighting, nothing really changed from old roman times or accient slave and rulers times our world leaders have the same old mentality they just know how to hide it.
Switzerland are neutral country all the world leaders got their directions from there its a bankers center off course nobody don't talk about this where the true bankers organise all those wars they even keep their old ancesasters pharonic tradions BIS is located aswell there wich directs all the other banks.

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