Topic: If There could be A Time where A Man itself will be like wallet? (Read 164 times)
You made me go back and watch Terminator 2,that old movie which for me never gets old.It looks like they are ahead of their time with robots being programmed to take over the future and some leader of it,some kind of crazy fantasy there and the question you are asking is a lot like that movie,crazy fantasy.I think that in even 2 centuries from now that would be pretty impossible to achieve just like Terminator 2 a movie of 1991 which so far we have not seen such things becoming true.Even if it comes true what benefits will this bring to humanity?I personally see more flaws than benefits in such scenario.
January 30, 2023, 03:17:31 AM
I'm not down with the whole chip implant thing idea. Don't want us humans turning into cyborgs.
If people start using a "human wallet", it'll probably be because of biometrics or something like that. I think there're already some trials for self-service stores where you can grab what you want and just go. They've got the whole store covered in cameras and use facial recognition for the checkout part, it's pretty wild.
Same thing goes down today if your card gets declined, no matter the reason.
If people start using a "human wallet", it'll probably be because of biometrics or something like that. I think there're already some trials for self-service stores where you can grab what you want and just go. They've got the whole store covered in cameras and use facial recognition for the checkout part, it's pretty wild.
I find it very impractical to scan people for payment. Imagine you are in a queue in supermarket and somehow the scanner fails to scan you as a wallet to pay. I imagine it won't be a nice experience.
Same thing goes down today if your card gets declined, no matter the reason.
January 30, 2023, 03:03:22 AM
i think instead of facebook trying to build up their own cartoony avatar system that can only dance and buy music. they could have easily bought dragons tale and upgraded that platform
where people can move around and play games for bit value and trade too. where by merchants buying NFT land plots within that virtual environment could set up virtual stores to showcase 3d renders of real life products which get shipped to real world locations when buying in that virtual landscale.
however they want the cartoony way of messing around buying worthless virtual only products at silly premium prices.
they totally went the wrong direction as their first VR debute of function utility and interactability
a dragons tale 2.0 would have pushed things further far faster.. all it needed ultimately was a bit more DPI resolution refinement and a option to edit the avatars gender/facial features. and add in some voice communication instead of just text, and a bit more foot and arm control options.
everything else (updating new building renders, having a payment system, etc) were already there
where people can move around and play games for bit value and trade too. where by merchants buying NFT land plots within that virtual environment could set up virtual stores to showcase 3d renders of real life products which get shipped to real world locations when buying in that virtual landscale.
however they want the cartoony way of messing around buying worthless virtual only products at silly premium prices.
they totally went the wrong direction as their first VR debute of function utility and interactability
a dragons tale 2.0 would have pushed things further far faster.. all it needed ultimately was a bit more DPI resolution refinement and a option to edit the avatars gender/facial features. and add in some voice communication instead of just text, and a bit more foot and arm control options.
everything else (updating new building renders, having a payment system, etc) were already there
January 30, 2023, 02:52:29 AM
I concur with franky1. The only way to turn into a human wallet is to remember your seed phrase. You can do whatever you want on Metaverse. However, not everything is achievable in real life. If someone discovers that you are the Bitcoin wallet, extortion will occur frequently. Compared to the present wallet system, it is riskier. So leave the Metaverse and practice reality.
Just as everyone has suggested, let me add this that the metaverse is just a mirrage for the future intending development whereby everyone is struggling to achieve and be the first to step in, this gives us better more reasons why the digital network must be advanced althrough the world because this is the ladder to heading to the future, bitcoin has initiated the whole feasibility and with that nothing is impossible since bitcoin thrive through and survived, we can move ahead to further the digital technological development and innovation with metaverse which has the possibility of getting unveiled sooner as the research is ongoing, but everything begins from where we are today.
January 30, 2023, 02:51:55 AM
the rfid chip under skin is a disastrous method
1. the chip is the key. anyone with a scanner (card cloner device) can swipe your key just walking passed you on the subway/street
2. those using such wont waste a day patient/local surgery of an implant just for an "extortion" wallet they would obviously use it for their retirement wallet. thus dangerous risk of easy loss by criminals doing street robbery/debit card/id cloning/thefts
3. 12 word wallet/brain remembered phrases are the only true "human wallet" of security. but note the risk of Alzheimer, dementia and amnesia. so keep a back up somewhere safe at home too
1. the chip is the key. anyone with a scanner (card cloner device) can swipe your key just walking passed you on the subway/street
2. those using such wont waste a day patient/local surgery of an implant just for an "extortion" wallet they would obviously use it for their retirement wallet. thus dangerous risk of easy loss by criminals doing street robbery/debit card/id cloning/thefts
3. 12 word wallet/brain remembered phrases are the only true "human wallet" of security. but note the risk of Alzheimer, dementia and amnesia. so keep a back up somewhere safe at home too
January 30, 2023, 02:40:13 AM
As others have mentioned, something similar already exists with chips people inject and use to unlock things, including Bitcoin wallets. I have only learned about it last year, and I was quite surprised. To be honest, I don't think it's a good idea, for many reasons. One is that if someone decides to rob you, your body is literally needed to get the money, so it's an additional violence risk. Also, I've seen it on video of a guy with a chip that it can get buggy, not work from first try. I'd say it's nervous, and who's to say it won't stop working one day? Finally, I'm not comfortable with the idea of inserting implants (unless necessary for health conditions), and with my body having to do with funds with that.
January 30, 2023, 02:24:39 AM
I find it very impractical to scan people for payment. Imagine you are in a queue in supermarket and somehow the scanner fails to scan you as a wallet to pay. I imagine it won't be a nice experience.
I don't really believe that this and related innovations will be welcomed by people. There is nothing attractive into it because current methods are very fast and efficient but of course the government wants to increase control over people and if that finally reaches sci-fi portray, then I imagine not only payment but absolutely every service will be served by automatically checking your identity that will include every info (passport info + wallet + work history, salary history, etc).
That time may come, who knows? It's hard to say yes or no right now. Btw it's easy to say no at the moment because we may won't be able to imagine the advancement of technologies in future but if you'd ask a person some centuries ago if she could imagine seeing and speaking to someone from Greece to Italy, answer would be no and you would be deemed mentally ill.
I don't really believe that this and related innovations will be welcomed by people. There is nothing attractive into it because current methods are very fast and efficient but of course the government wants to increase control over people and if that finally reaches sci-fi portray, then I imagine not only payment but absolutely every service will be served by automatically checking your identity that will include every info (passport info + wallet + work history, salary history, etc).
That time may come, who knows? It's hard to say yes or no right now. Btw it's easy to say no at the moment because we may won't be able to imagine the advancement of technologies in future but if you'd ask a person some centuries ago if she could imagine seeing and speaking to someone from Greece to Italy, answer would be no and you would be deemed mentally ill.
January 30, 2023, 12:37:15 AM
It has already been tried by people with a small capsule that was implanted under the skin of a human. It consists of (RFID) technology and near-field communication (NFC) if I remember correctly. ( https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/why-this-guy-paid-75-to-store-bitcoin-under-his-skin.html )
It is also a very controversial topic, because most people say it is unnecessary and even more dangerous than just using a credit or debit card with the chip on it's own. (Imagine someone cutting off your hand and extracting the chip from it and then using that as a contact less payment option)
It is also a very controversial topic, because most people say it is unnecessary and even more dangerous than just using a credit or debit card with the chip on it's own. (Imagine someone cutting off your hand and extracting the chip from it and then using that as a contact less payment option)
January 30, 2023, 12:29:42 AM
You're less or more talking about Biometric verification which I think one of bad improvement on technology, if you want to access your wallet and it's need biometric verification e.g. fingerprint, face, voice, eyes all thing about your appearance and body, you're just giving your privacy to the wallet!
Right now we're already quite scared if the government want to tightening their rules and ask everyone to complete KYC, now you seems to agree with the government side about the less privacy world. I don't want to get controlled by those corrupt government who want to maximize their earning, we need a privacy to make life safer and better!
Right now we're already quite scared if the government want to tightening their rules and ask everyone to complete KYC, now you seems to agree with the government side about the less privacy world. I don't want to get controlled by those corrupt government who want to maximize their earning, we need a privacy to make life safer and better!
January 30, 2023, 12:05:55 AM
OP, it is sounding like a science fiction story. The concept is good but the cost of development might not justify the end goal and the value it will bring. But I have something close to your thought which is available right away in wearable tech industry.
You can now implant a chip in your body which can be linked to your bitcoin wallet and you can just tap that chip to make payments.
https://youtu.be/Ihdm87Vm1y4
Watch this video.
You can now implant a chip in your body which can be linked to your bitcoin wallet and you can just tap that chip to make payments.
https://youtu.be/Ihdm87Vm1y4
Watch this video.
January 29, 2023, 04:40:27 PM
I concur with franky1. The only way to turn into a human wallet is to remember your seed phrase. You can do whatever you want on Metaverse. However, not everything is achievable in real life. If someone discovers that you are the Bitcoin wallet, extortion will occur frequently.
just becasue a passphrase can generate lots of addresses does not mean you should put all funds onto one passphrase..
have 2 wallets
a savings brain wallet.. and a extortion wallet
you know like people store their main cash on their inside jacket and store just a couple bank notes in their back pocket.
if ever accosted just hand them the wallet with least amount in and say "take all i have, it aint much"
so tell them a passphrase of a small daily spend amount. not your main retirement fund
January 29, 2023, 04:36:53 PM
Sounds like something so overengineered that it'll go unused by most and will probably be vulnerable to other attacks. Most biometric systems are either insecure or unfeasible (a lot can use pattern matching and have multiple successes with different people).
It might become an additional layer of authentication but will face other issues (what if you're ill or in a space where you don't want to talk). Also what stops someone from recording you saying something (unless it gets you to say a random work that's "easy" to pronounce).
It might become an additional layer of authentication but will face other issues (what if you're ill or in a space where you don't want to talk). Also what stops someone from recording you saying something (unless it gets you to say a random work that's "easy" to pronounce).
True that, but a lot nicer idea is to use human brain as a storage for your wallet.dat. The only issue then would be an interface to use it as computers and terminals can't read mind. Voice/facial/iris recognition is unsafe and prone to forgery (photos, 3d models etc) so we need something else. I guess only fingerprints are truly unique.
January 29, 2023, 04:33:40 PM
Human beings serving as wallets were possible in the future, but such a development is truly an over engineered one. Certain things should be allowed to work of its own. Over Engineering will surely lead to disaster. Looking on the way it works I feel like an easy way to steal money. A person can be kidnapped and his funds can be stolen, correct me if I'm wrong.
January 29, 2023, 03:48:46 PM
Weren't those called "brain" wallets?
January 29, 2023, 02:54:00 PM
I concur with franky1. The only way to turn into a human wallet is to remember your seed phrase. You can do whatever you want on Metaverse. However, not everything is achievable in real life. If someone discovers that you are the Bitcoin wallet, extortion will occur frequently. Compared to the present wallet system, it is riskier. So leave the Metaverse and practice reality.
January 29, 2023, 02:44:20 PM
I came across information about individuals who implant RFID chips under their skin, usually in the forearm, for storing various types of data. With this, they can easily unlock electronic locks (e.g. home, car) and even sign bitcoin transactions just by waving their hand in front of an RFID reader if the private key of the wallet is programmed into the chip. Interesting stuff! However, I'm not considering it myself yet as I have no idea about the security implications of the process.
Not that interesting, pretty much useless since the chip is working the whole time so whoever knows that you have this can interact with the chip and copy your ID.
In the current state of technology this is really bad and people who have cars that unlock in the presence of the key nearby have learned it the hard way. Thieves have frequency modulators that try random frequencies and it takes a few minutes before a car is unlocked without the need to touch it. You just stand near it with the device in your pocket, then if it unlocks you get in and drive away.
I don't understand why someone would implant such chip if they could have it on a chain around their neck. The only valid reason to implant a chip is if you're afraid of kidnapping and want someone to be able to track you.
Let's keep money in our pockets for now, not under our skin.
January 29, 2023, 02:38:03 PM
if you can remember 12 words you can become a human wallet
if you can tell someone else those 12 words you can share ownership
the person(#2) hearing those words becomes a human wallet and then uses a electronic wallet to secure his 2 owner wallet funds to become single human wallet funds by transfering it to human #2 new 12 word human wallet
the future is now
if you can tell someone else those 12 words you can share ownership
the person(#2) hearing those words becomes a human wallet and then uses a electronic wallet to secure his 2 owner wallet funds to become single human wallet funds by transfering it to human #2 new 12 word human wallet
the future is now
January 29, 2023, 02:37:13 PM
Today I was wondering because I have seen Ready player one that is based on Metaverse that we are trying to achieve right now. So I was wondering that wether there will be a time might come when a human will be as a wallet and if someone scan than he can see it's money and can send with it's own voice and also Eyes other such security to pay and buy Money.
And I think that at that all we are reading will not be a live to see this. Because I think that one or two centuries will be needed for such upgradation.
So what are your opinions about this.
And I think that at that all we are reading will not be a live to see this. Because I think that one or two centuries will be needed for such upgradation.
So what are your opinions about this.
It is possible in terms of bitcoin. People can inject their private keys in RFID form in their skin. But it is highly vulnerable to have your private key so open maybe someone can cut your arm to steal your funds or maybe simply scan it while you are sleeping.
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January 29, 2023, 02:32:50 PM
Though making meaning from the OP was tough for me, but based on how i understood what he was saying...
I personally do not think there will ever come such a time when human beings can become a wallet such as described by the OP, except the set of humans with this capabilities are going to be robots built for that and maybe other purposes as well.
I've actually come across a news where some guy implanted a bitcoin lightening network chip into his hand, by which he can receive bitcoin payments by the sender scanning his hand with a bitcoin wallet built-in scanner.
Though the above have been done by one person, but majority of people who saw this news condemned it and swore never to tear any part of their body to implant anything..
So in conclusion, there will never a time when human beings will become crypto wallets, it will never happen.
I personally do not think there will ever come such a time when human beings can become a wallet such as described by the OP, except the set of humans with this capabilities are going to be robots built for that and maybe other purposes as well.
I've actually come across a news where some guy implanted a bitcoin lightening network chip into his hand, by which he can receive bitcoin payments by the sender scanning his hand with a bitcoin wallet built-in scanner.
Though the above have been done by one person, but majority of people who saw this news condemned it and swore never to tear any part of their body to implant anything..
So in conclusion, there will never a time when human beings will become crypto wallets, it will never happen.
January 29, 2023, 02:16:39 PM
I came across information about individuals who implant RFID chips under their skin, usually in the forearm, for storing various types of data. With this, they can easily unlock electronic locks (e.g. home, car) and even sign bitcoin transactions just by waving their hand in front of an RFID reader if the private key of the wallet is programmed into the chip. Interesting stuff! However, I'm not considering it myself yet as I have no idea about the security implications of the process.
January 29, 2023, 01:41:01 PM
Sounds like something so overengineered that it'll go unused by most and will probably be vulnerable to other attacks. Most biometric systems are either insecure or unfeasible (a lot can use pattern matching and have multiple successes with different people).
It might become an additional layer of authentication but will face other issues (what if you're ill or in a space where you don't want to talk). Also what stops someone from recording you saying something (unless it gets you to say a random work that's "easy" to pronounce).
It might become an additional layer of authentication but will face other issues (what if you're ill or in a space where you don't want to talk). Also what stops someone from recording you saying something (unless it gets you to say a random work that's "easy" to pronounce).
January 29, 2023, 01:05:48 PM
Today I was wondering because I have seen Ready player one that is based on Metaverse that we are trying to achieve right now. So I was wondering that wether there will be a time might come when a human will be as a wallet and if someone scan than he can see it's money and can send with it's own voice and also Eyes other such security to pay and buy Money.
And I think that at that all we are reading will not be a live to see this. Because I think that one or two centuries will be needed for such upgradation.
So what are your opinions about this.
And I think that at that all we are reading will not be a live to see this. Because I think that one or two centuries will be needed for such upgradation.
So what are your opinions about this.
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