Topic: If we lived in a libertarian society (Read 414 times)

That's easy. I would open up a protection service and a quality assay lab. They will thrive when people figure out how dicey it is to buy unregulated products, and how hard it is to protect themselves from organized crime in a society with no law enforcement.

I like small government. But not at the expense of safety and order. The fact of the matter is that there are too many malcontents and morally bankrupt folks that will snatch up your shit in a heartbeat given the chance. It's how survival works.

Libertarian government can only work in a culturally homogeneous society, and that's a rare thing these days. I wouldn't buy too much from folks I couldn't hold personally accountable, there is little recourse for buyers in a model like this. If I didn't grow it, or get a personal recommendation from a trusted person, I just wouldn't consume it.

My top pick would be to manage Nature's Sushi Parlor, using the exotic meat of (mostly) Red-Bellied Piranhas (sourced locally), to feed and entertain mostly Wolves, Foxes, Mountain Lions and American Rattlesnakes, as an enhancement service for experiencing natural balance and tranquility for fellow free walkers, optimizing the wandering-amongst-the-trees-in-the-beautiful-calming-green-forest lifestyle.

Born into the family clan, I started work at 8 AM sharp on the 6th year of my birth.

I was already "trained" to work, but this time it's for real.

We had to work, otherwise they would come.

They were evil, infidel beast. They'd steal anything we had. They didn't care. They would rape the mothers, the daughters, and even sons like me!

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My breakfast consist of a rice patty and half a glass of goat's milk. Not very much food for 12 hours of continuous work. At least my "duty" was easier than others. Their duty had was to stop them. They weren't born as lucky as me, to be entirely free to live my life.

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Today was a great day! A day of rest, we won a battle against them and managed to double our supplies! We can rejoice that we won!

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Our father died today, my brothers fought. I thought about taking a few supplies and leaving, but they are out there. Also, where would I go? What would I do? My brothers would be too busy fighting one another to notice me leaving.

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I've done it, I've ended them. My eldest brother took charge of our clan and I was selected to fight them. I won though. My brothers and I mourned our losses, but we'll make up for them - we found more mothers here.

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I'm the last of my generation. I've survived countless raids. I deserve to lead our family. And if anyone is willing to contest my claim of family, you are banished!

I'd open the business of free listening to music.
This is a really good and creative idea for business.
Wanted to listen to music - listened.
And no annoyance to you.
Permanent relaxation in the public domain.

I don't think it's so useful to compare these things. Eye for an eye is from the Old Testament. Christ come to the Earth and fulfilled the law of the Old Testament. We can read this in Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (see also Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15). In place of the laws of the Old Testament, Christians should now follow the law of Christ.

Matthew 5:38-39 read:

Christ was teaching that we shouldn't take a vengeance. We shouldn't try to get back a people that do us wrong. It won't actually help anything.

You seem to want to remain without understanding. There is no contradiction in the Bible.

Eye-for-eye is the job of the government, to retain peace and justice among the people. Go back and read. It is stated in the context of government.

Turn-the-other-cheek is an exhortation to put up with a bit of pain from another, rather than to start a big fight.

"Love your neighbor as yourself," is simply to recognize that other people feel about themselves as you feel about yourself... because we are all people. Even the crook or murderer wants love for himself. Peace in love... or do you want strife and fighting?

Sadly, I think you're right about lawlessness increasing. I just like to think that it wouldn't quite be like the "Wild Wild West". I still think that most people would want to do good things. I don't know enough about libertarian ideas to talk about it in depth. I don't know what libertarians typically think about law, police, and justice. I'm sure they would be in support of having less systems like that. I'd love to hear any libertarians' perspectives on this, if their reading.

I didn't say most will, but the law of the land would change significantly and it goes back to more lawlessness. You will find there is more murders and rapes etc where there's very little going to be done about it. Obviously the threat of punishments and even the death penalty doesn't stop people from killing or committing crimes, but I would see it as going to some sort of post-apocalyptic scenario where it's everyone for themselves and you fend for your own life and family. There will be certainly less systems in place to prevent and investigate such crimes after they've happened I think.


There's also another great saying: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The bible also says many other contradictory things like turn the other cheek, love your neighbor and so on.

The Old Testament "eye for eye," etc., is simply a form of self defense. I mean, if someone hits you for no reason, are you happy with that? You might be able to shrug off a simple bruise. But what about when he starts killing off you children? That's part of what O.T. law is about. The rest of it is about how God reacts to people hurting Him and themselves by sinning against Him and creation (often themselves). Doesn't God have the right to self-defense, and defense of His children?

Thanks for answering.

Well, most people don't kill people actually. Your logic is that they don't kill people because it's illegal? People already use heroin, for example. If it was legalized, do you think people would start using heroin in masses, like the wild wild West?

Well, I guess your friends and living in a familiar country take priority over the cannabis business. That's totally fine. I was just putting it out there as an option.

Because people already do. If you got rid of all laws and punishments what do you think happens? It would be literal anarchy.


It would be kill or be killed. Like the wild wild west (wikki wikki wah wah).


Sure, let me just leave all my friends and family to go to a foreign country just to start a business. This isn't something I'm desperate to do but would do if in my own country if it was ever legaslized, but I'd like to stay in my home country right now thnx.

What makes you actually think that people would want to go around killing others? Couldn't they at least be deterred by the fact that others could kill them? That is a good question though. There is a lot of talk about libertarianism on this forum. I never quite thought out completely the police bit. I wonder what would happen with crime in a libertarian society.

Cannabis sounds like a great business idea. Maybe you could just move to a country where it's legal and get on that.

What type of libertarian society do you mean? One with no government controls at all? In that case I'd have some sort of Hunger Games / The Purge type scenario where you can run around killing anyone you like  . Total anarchy is never great as people can't be trusted to play nice.

On a serious note I kinda like how a whole cannabis industry has popped up in some US states and other countries like the Netherlands. If cannabis was legal in my country I would probably open up a dispensary /smoking room. I haven't smoked weed since my teens but I don't agree with drug prohibition and I know it would make a great business here and take in a lot of money. I quite like the idea of social cubs or coffee shops in Amsterdam where people just go to chill have a chat and coffee or maybe even play a game of pool. Will probably be a long time before it's legal in my country but hopefully we can take after the states once they see the industry is working and they're missing out on millions in taxes.

I'm not sure we will ever live in a truly libertarian society in the original sense of the word because libertarian idea implies government decentralization, which is seen by many as a utopian idea. I like the core idea of Libertarianism, but is it really possible?

Interesting thoughts. I guess that when most people talk about a libertarian society, they imagine one in which people have less restrictions on their freedom. It's probably just a semantics issue. It depends what your connotation of libertarianism. If it really just means that anybody can choose to do whatever they want then that would be true of just about anybody. If you live in North Korea, for example, you are technically free to choose to do anything you want. You just probably won't like the consequences, if you do what you want. I suppose you could say that we have a libertarian society where many people have taken it upon themselves to think up punishments for any behavior that they deem inappropriate.

Actually, we DO live in a libertarian society. People who rule other people through deception are using their freedom to do it. People who do not fight off those who deceive them are using their freedom to live that way... or to die because of it.

Consider being a hostage in a hostage situation. Your captor points a gun at your head and says, "Do this immoral sex act, or I will kill you." Now it is your turn to select your government. Is your government going to be your captor? Or is it going to be your morals? You are free to decide. If you accept your captor as your government, your choice. Pure libertarianism... at least on your part.

Non-aggression principle (NAP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

Yeah, that would be fabulous! 

Governments often have policies that make it much more difficult for businesses to succeed. That is true. I don't think it means, though, that the lack of taxes on businesses would actually mean you wouldn't have to fight. Presumably, all business would be on a level playing field. None of them would have to pay taxes in this hypothetically situation. They would then still compete for business. The prices would just be a lot lower. Maybe I'm missing something. Could you explain how this wouldn't be the case?

Actually, here is all you need to do. Show everybody you can that they can completely beat government via the jury. The jury has the right and duty to nullify any and every law that they don't like. Then, take the law before the jury, and show how it is depriving you of your property unfairly. But most important, show how the law is depriving jury members of their property, as well.

Haha! This is a good one. How could no one have noticed the irony?

That's the dream, to be able to operate a free business where you don't have to fight to make a profit. Some might argue though that the way America encourages innovation is through fierce competition. More people fighting to make money makes a higher quality of business. The problem with that concept is that the government is full of incompetent crooks who turn a few million a year off their circle of glory-jerking speeches and book publications after spending several years in office making the rich richer. I don't understand how people can stand against libertarianism but have no practical solution for these crooks.

Libertarian sounds like utopian to me and I wish it were real, but I'm a realist and just cannot picture it even to myself in my imagination.

The idea of living in a libertarian society is very appealing, BUT... it looks like very few people are ready to accept the rules of the game, you know what I mean? A libertarian society is a highly organized society, which remains a dream for most of us...

Recently I've been thinking a lot about an idea some years back. The idea is to have a tool library. It's not really a business to make a lot of money, but it would benefit so many people. Basically, you just rent or buy a place and stock it many different tools that people could need. Customers just pay monthly or yearly fee to use the tools when they need them. They would have a due date, just like books from traditional libraries. It's similar to two neighbors sharing a lawn mower. You never actually need your lawn mower more than once a week. I think this is a business I might start.

The thought of running a business and know the government has no say and cant do anything is like a dream!

If we live in a libertarian Society where people can do what they want would be nice,  but in these days it's so hard to have the will to do the things you want freely because some people judge you in any small things you do,  even the clothes you're wearing and etc.

Why just one blockchain? You should be able to trade amongst other currencies if you wish.

What if we funded a libertarian society , through a blockchain which could automate a majority of certain processes , assets and contracts within a ecosystem , that can be tested in the wild through a country or a town or city state or what have you , and show the world the results? That would be an interesting look how we do it.

but it's worth a try

In a libertarian society, we would need to figure out ways to attract people to stick to one blockchain, that can handle assets, contracts, and be a reliable escrow service.

New testament is fairly non-aggressive. But the Old Testament! Oh my 
OT should be flagged as "not for under 18" because it contains some explicit violence. Its principle being "an eye for an eye, a tooth for tooth" would turn the whole world blind and toothless.
But you must already know this. Check out Buddhism or M. Luther King if you want to know what non-violence is.
Sorry for the off topic, but I'm sensitive to exaggeration.

In the society today libertarian life has continue, instead you're not hurting to anyone,because its a view that each person has the right to live in his life as he choosen,to respect the equal rights of other and their property-rights before the government are created.it also its a central idea of people permitted to the run theirs own lives as they wish.

Well, actually, without the Bible, one still needs some guidance to understand what the non-aggression principle is.

The point is the little word "if." It's close to true that, "... if we're all a tribe living together with the same ideals. Then we wouldn't need the bible," for libertarian living. But nobody understands the non-aggression principle well enough to do it right. Non-aggression isn't a simple thing. Anti-non-aggression accidents happen all the time. This is part of the reason we should not live in big cities.

The Bible pretty much is the best guide for non-aggression. Why? Because all the forms of accidental and intentional aggression are dealt with properly, according to the non-aggression principle, in the Bible.

I would run a business and not worry that the government would come around and tax me out of business. That would be nice.

This is assuming that everyone is following the N.A.P - Non-Aggression Principle. Do what you will as long as your hurting anyone else. Imagine if we're all a tribe living together with the same ideals. Then we wouldn't need the bible.


But we live in a society of the oppressors... There's always one that rules in the game of power. It's very interesting. I think everyone just needs to take the "N.A.P" Non aggression principle. Then we don't need respect because respect is earned i believe.

It does not matter what type of society we lived in, the most important thing is that we should respect each other. Whatever you do, just bare in mind that you are not oppressing someone.

To make a libertarian society work, the members must willingly, and almost automatically, have respect for each other. This respect will get them to follow the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

However, this respect will also keep them honest enough that they will do justice to those among them who deserve punishment.

The best training manual for a workable, libertarian society is the Bible.

If we live in a libertarian society , where you were able to run a free market paradise , without hurting anyone of course ...

What business would you run?

I'd have a S.U.P - Safe Usage Place

So lets say you are doing LSD in my establishment , I would give you access to a forest where you would be able to walk freely through the forest , allowing you to experience a calming green forest while you wander amongst the trees.

of course you can let your imagination run wild with ideas.

It's like a nature reserve but for humans.

What would you do?