Topic: If we want a proper testing of Epochtalk, we need at least the Beta site back! (Read 1323 times)

Select-copy-paste is a major hassle on mobile.

like e.g. inability to quote posts from locked threads in SMF

So overall you have 1 click and Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V more to do.

I'd say just automatically start a new conversation from that point forward. If someone got removed they won't see the new conversation but can still see the old one. If someone got added they see only the new conversation. This would work exactly the same as if I copy-pasted the quote in a new conversation manually.

Do you let user to see past conversation? and lots of other questions, permissions, code, etc.

Technically it would work but it's a hassle compared to how Bitcointalk/SMF works - hit reply or quote, modify the recipient list any way you want, send. There is no reason the new forum can't be at least as convenient instead of forcing me to copy-paste the quote in a new conversation, then re-enter (some of) the recipients. It should just allow me to edit the recipient list and it can create a new conversation automatically if the recipient list has changed.

I know quote PM is not available yet but think it might solve these problems

I'm not done yet LOL

More PM weirdness:

Right now it's impossible for the user to figure out which notifications work and which don't.

all mentioned users will receive a notification any time the post is edited.

This has nothing to do with quotes. If I make a post and want to @ someone 3 seconds later I should be able to do so by editing the post and adding the @username (without creating a new post).

@ in quotes should not trigger an alert whether it's a new or edited post.

This is an intended behaviour. In reduce spamming, we prevent notifications from happening on edit. Otherwise, all mentioned users will receive a notification any time the post is edited.

This is consistent with most services that use notifications.

That is the intended behavior. Would you like to be spammed every time someone quotes the post you were mentioned in ?

I think we're using the latest version but I don't see an admin panel to verify - suchmoon is holding out on me.  

If we're using the latest, I'll try a screencast to capture the behavior.

Ya, me too... I was upset the first time, really unhappy the 2nd time I did it after re-typing the same long message. I gave up and went to a summarized message after that. lol

-Mentions do not notify a user in an edited post (if you edit in a @username to an existing post)

Could not really replicate this. https://coinbistro.com/threads/0ikKhHejRWmWWV3R8l6EgA/posts?start=55#Nly-V65FSZmJsrtdDG8eZg worked with images in a row and on separate rows

I found that out after writing a pretty big post... Was pretty pissed.

Added the replies in green
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Thanks a lot dude  

Need to make a list and prioritize them in a way

Not sure where the bugs and such are best reported, and they may not be bugs but parametrization features or functional oddities. Maybe best in both places. For now, there is a thread on the referenced website, and as @theyoungmillionaire has done, I'll post mine here (trying not to report what others have already done):


Some of the apparent bugs we may find could have to do with system configuration, as perhaps there are parameters that can be set by the Admin to customize the environment such as lack of edit tool bar, post max. size, etc.  At this point, bugs and lack of functionality (compared to current Bitcointalk) may be confused. I'll try to skip reporting things that have already been mentioned.

These are a few I’ve found so far:

1) Copy/paste post from Bitcointalk seems to confront size limitations-> post is trimmed to around 600 words out of 1285 of the OP.

2) Screen width is not taken into account as much as on the Bitcointalk site: posts here are cropped by around 25% on my screen (wide 4k). Also zooming in to screen on Bitcointalk redistributes post text accordingly, while here it does not do it if you shrink the screen size (it does if you enlarge the screen a lot).

3) Some text with spaces that displays aligned on Bitcointalk does not here. Possibly due to the default text font being different (when I copy text into word from this site it displays as “lato”, whilst being “calibri” when doing the same from Bitcointalk).

4) When I try to snip  in a quote the way I normally do it  (less than + 2 dots+ greater than), the preview and post actions delete the snip.  That is weird, and when importing all Bitcointalk could be an issue.

5) I can edit my profile UserName. That seems to be the PK to each user.  If I can change it, that could be troublesome (let alone for scraping and joining data, but that is a lesser issue from the forum's perspective).

6) Although already mentioned, not being able to delete a post, but only hide it is weird.

7) (minor issue) “Code” embraced areas seem to add a few blank lines on its own will, making the code area larger than necessary.

8 ) (minor issue) Direct urls  are sometimes converted to hyperlinks and others not (dictionary based?).

9) “Too many request” appear twice on screen. We are not many concurrent users, so it’s strange to see it.

10) Imported someone’s small pyramid quote. Displays fine but dates are wrong and relative to 1970.

11) Created 15 posts. I deleted one of them, and @iasenko another on a self-moderated thread. Nevertheless, my activity shows as 14 (not 13 as I expected). Also there is no post count. Post deletion seems to hide posts, but perhaps it is not adjusting Activity properly.

12) While on my profile, my post history has a very small thread title space (so it tends to appear trimmed).

13) There is no post number in the personal post history. If there are campaigns, counting posts will be a bit more difficult in relation to how it is done on Bitcointalk.

14) In addition, post history is only relative to thread, but we do not see the path to the thread as we currently do on bitcointalk (section/subsection/etc.).

15) I can see a post of mine on two pages of the paging of a given thread. If I change the setting to allow 50 post per page (instead of 25), then the post only shows once as it should. The post is last on the first page of the thread (post number 25 - if there were a number), and second on the following page (post number 27 - if there were a number).

16) Management of deleted posts seems a bit of a mess. A post of mine was deleted on a self-moderated thread. Nevertheless, I was still able to unhide it, edit it and quote it.

17) In the Notification menu, marking one or all as read does not refresh their status until you actually refresh the page itself.

18) This seems odd. I received 3 PMs from one single user (ok), but the Reply I create does no reference, nor let me decide, which of the three PMs I'm replying to.


In addition, without it being bug related:

-    Since profiles are not by ID but by username, a priori, you cannot create a process to download say all forum profiles, amongst other things. It could also bring on some difficulties related to mapped character tables on those names with “weird” characters in them.

-    To gain access to the content of all posts from his history, you need to click each thread header from the list. Scraper can do that conceptually, but it may deem a complication.

-    PostId is a weird looking string, but the current one was not much use either if you wanted to retrieve all posts from a thread for example. You still need to scrape the hard way instead of through a correlative set of IDs.

Edit: 20190317:

19) (functionality) I can Deactivate/Reactivate my account, and that hide my account and all my posts from the forum: Good for the user, bad for the forum ?

20) After browing notifications, you need to refresh the page for the new notification counter to disappear.

I just gonna leave this here, and ill check again tomorrow if those things are already fixed.

Great,

How can we get access to the modlog and the seclog? I tried to find it but without success til now.

I'll use this thread to write my review on Epochtalk later.

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My overview > Updated 03.03.


Bugs/issues
1.  Notifications  for mentions are triggered after a certain amount of time.  That is OK .
2. After Marking the notifications  " all read" there is still pending old notification. 
3.  Toolbar menus for posting  are missing . I guess it's intended.
4.  Trust feedback cannot be changed or removed after posting it. I guess there is some cool down time, but should be mentioned somewhere on the page.
5. Seems like the view count is not working .
6. There are no "post drafts" after a preview of a post.
7. Self-moderated thread is actually not a self moderated. You cannot delete posts. Actually you can hide them but the user can unhide them so it is useless.
8 . Some symbols are not displayed at all like asterisk. If you have it in the signature, it disappears.
9. No post count option.
10. cannot delete posts in self-moderated threads, can only hide them - i guess it's intentional.
11. No ranks yet.
12. No restriction in posting and searching, maybe due to no ranking system yet.
13. I cannot move topics in different sections

Side note: I guess big part of those issues can be corrected/activated  from the admin panel. I have no access to confirm that.


What caught my attention /no issues/ :
Activity stops at 14. I guess the algorithm is working.

What I like :


1. You can choose to report user or post, I like it
2. Easy to add users to the trust list,  separate  buttons to trust and untrust lists, cool.
3.  Nice mobile version

Ok, here's what's going on. It does save an empty signature but doesn't update the profile page so it still shows the signature after I hit Save. The signature goes away if I refresh the page. Still a bug IMO. If I change a signature to a non-empty one it shows up immediately.

No e-mail notifications for PMs.

How do I run unit tests? I made some code changes, need to verify it doesn't break anything.

A few things I've noticed:

-Image drag/drop is glitchy with multiple images. When dragging/dropping 2 (or more) images (back-to-back), the [img] tags get created, but in preview it usually doesn't show the 2nd image at all, if you post it, it clears out the 2nd [img] tag. I've found I had to hit 'enter' at least once or twice between each drag/drop to get it to post correctly.

-Also related, drag/drop of one or many images with no text doesn't allow 'send reply' to be hit.

-No drafts capability for new messages.

-Also with new messages, when moving to 'preview', the window gets the focus (hitting the delete key will close the window, wiping the message). Same thing happens when switching back to 'compose', the window itself stays with the 'focus', not the text box, and hitting the delete key (thinking you're deleting text) will close the message window entirely, wiping the message, due to the aforementioned lack of draft capability.

More PM weirdness:

• I can't send a PM to myself. I should be able to.

Never tried to PM myself, but makes sence

• I can send a PM to DefaultTrustList. I don't think I should be able to.

Would hate to see that inbox. ) Will add some restrictions

• There is no visual difference between sent and received, read and unread messages. All messages in the list look exactly the same.

That should be solved by the notifications in the header, tho I agree some slight differentiation should be made

• If I type in a non-existent username (or my own) and try to send a PM to it I get a non-descriptive error message "Failed to create conversation". It should tell me that the user doesn't exist.

Will see about these custom errors. The input box is bolded red for what it's worth

• When it fails "to create conversation" my message disappears. So if I type a lot of text and then misspell recipient's username - all my work is gone.

same as for posts. Once draft module will be in place should fix that and some restrictions like "start new conversation"/"reply" not active if username not correct

• If I try to send a message to multiple recipients and some are non-existent - there is no error message.
• Paging with back/forward buttons is not scalable. I have 150+ pages of messages on Bitcointalk. It would take me 150+ clicks to get to my oldest messages on Epochtalk. Probably 200+ clicks, since the page size is set to 15 with no way to change it.

the format is changed. did you PM with 3000+ different users ? might be possible I guess. Will talk to the guys about pagination.

• No sorting.
• No search.

Fair enough...

• No labels.

Do not have that many PMs in order to start using labels. I guess did not think about them

• No option select and delete multiple messages at once.
• No option to quote a message in a reply (the need is somewhat minimized by the threaded layout but it is still needed).

Fair enough...
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What's so special about 3+ hyphens that I can't post them but I can post one or two?

Yup

Why limit it at all? Let the admin decide if it should be 64k or 10MB.

Are you saying you can save an empty signature?

Tor Browser. ... As for the tabs, technically it doesn't log me out in the current tab but the new tab is not logged in.

Will change limit to 64k. Until then it can be changed from the source-code.

Sorry but I don't have the above issues on my end.
What browser do you use ? Weird that it logs you out in new tab. Never happened to me (yet)

Thread list in a board can't be sorted.

Attempting to edit a thread title throws an exception in the backend.

An option to paste images directly from clipboard would be far more useful

Couldn't find a way to move a single post to another thread or to split a thread

BBCode issues

Post size is limited to 25k characters - less than the current Bitcointalk limit of 64k

It's impossible to remove a signature. Saving an empty signature doesn't work.
Opening forum links in new tabs logs me out. I use tabs a lot so that's a major deal breaker.

The editor clearly needs an overhaul but also needs to be 100% compliant with current way posts are made/edited/displayed. That might mean a more spartan like editor (for bitcointalk at least). We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

I love your enthusiasm

Yes I did. The editor is still WIP on a few features.

Set UTC (or some other timezone different from your actual timezone) in your account settings.

Did you have to remove newlines from my post?

Click "+ Post Reply" in a thread. Enter some text. Double-click "Send Reply". The post gets posted twice.

They recently changed the logic behind timezone offset (so each user can set their own GMT+/- local time) Tried it a few times but worked for me. Not sure what to say on that front. Could not replicate it

Again... works for me. Those temporary glitches are a real pain in the ass because if you cannot replicate you don't know what to fix. Regarding the last part just seesm the break point is not at the middle on the category button. A few more mm below and would have worked as advertised.

Has some faults there. Tried to replicate your post here: https://coinbistro.com/threads/0ikKhHejRWmWWV3R8l6EgA/posts?start=40#8twUqUb-T9GSfGYUHyDGjw   post #40 . Looks decent IMO altho had to edit the post a bit.

Don't understand what button you're talking about...

Don't know about you but I found this to be very productive! Thank you so much for your input and for taking the time to install Epochtalk.
As I said before, any advice or critics is one more step towards the goal.

Some issues are trivial, like spelling errors:

Timezones are broken

Some quote tags don't display post link/timestamp at all. I don't have a screenshot but IIRC it happens when thread ID has an underscore in it.

Admin panel: created a category, created a board, dragged the board to the category, hit Save - board disappeared. No idea why. Next time it worked correctly. Then I started dragging another board, changed my mind, dropped it back into Uncategorized Boards - it disappeared. Drag-n-drop itself is clunky. The following board will end up in EpochTalk Testing despite me holding it on top of (or even slightly below)

And then there is usability... or lack thereof. I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt and assume I just don't know how to configure something, although I'd think it should be user-friendly out of the box. For example the post editor. On Bitcointalk you click a button - you get a smiley, you click another button - you get image tag, etc. Do I have to type everything by hand in Epochtalk? Image drag and drop doesn't work.

I haven't yet found a way to put two lines of text on top of each other without a blank line in between, other than to use something like a bullet list.

If you put three hyphens on a line like this

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The hyphens disappear... Apparently there is some sort of markup allowed (in addition to bbcode)

Double-clicking the "Send Reply" [sic] button will duplicate posts (no warning).

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I'm glad that people are interested!


beta.bitcointalk.org was run for a couple of years, but virtually nobody used it. It was too boring. I'd ideally like people to actually try using Epochtalk for various things that they find fun/interesting. Maybe try a more restrictive moderation style, maybe make it more niche-focused, maybe try adding some crazy features, etc. If people actually try to use it for real things, then the real deficiencies will be found.


No, that's very old.

Can you please detail what you found so horrible ? Would appreciate some more info on that.

First let's have User Testing. Once a majority or theymos is satisfied with the result we'll talk about the pro QA guy/gal

I finally got ET installed and it's quite horrible.

There needs to be a somewhat dedicated person with QA experience for testing it if there isn't one already. Random users poking around won't cut it.

This so much.

I finally got ET installed and it's quite horrible. There's a bunch of issues reported on Github but unfortunately I don't have time to go through all that and figure out what's already been reported, what has been deemed as acceptable etc. There needs to be a somewhat dedicated person with QA experience for testing it if there isn't one already. Random users poking around won't cut it.

- Hire a prof QA to do it quickly and efficiently.

www.cryptos-currencies.com Ann > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptos-currenciescom-first-forum-using-epochtalk-5115500
https://coinbistro.com Ann > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinbistrocom-epochtalk-testing-grounds-5158825