Topic: If we were all inmortal would religion die? (Read 1295 times)
Religion is alive only because people live. If all people die, then who will believe in religion? I think that the people themselves invented religion, specifically.
The possibility of life forever will not happen, every thing is created in pairs, there is night and day, there is good and evil, so is life in pairs with death. Every life there must be death.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
We can never be immortal. God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth. All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales. Death will catch us no matter where we are. If we become immortal what's the point going to church so I think no , no one will go to pray anymore but that is impossible as I already said.
I have seen religious clerics exploiting the poor people in the name of disease and suffering. I have seen Indian babas (self-declared gods) fooling the illiterate people by claiming that if they don't believe in their power, then they will suffer misfortune and disease. And I have also seen Christian priests fooling people by claiming that diseases such as cancer and AIDS can be cured with gospel music and prayer.
I think people would lose his faith in religion if we were all immortal. Because there is no afterlife like heaven and hell. So there's no point to do good things and praying because there is no heaven.
Faith came from the need of men to serve and be given immortality in the afterlife. If there we were to be immortal, then we'd no need for a god to cling to, instead men will fight for superiority, making themselves gods
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
This is a good hypothetical question. Let me answer this by saying, Religion will still exist even if we are immortal. Religion will also adapt into changes, new rules and new teachings based on the idea of immortality. Things will also changes according to the need of immortality. Faith, will still be faith and it wont change, but, only few will have it if we will be immortal. if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
I sincerely highly doubt that because people who pray generally do so get accepted into a good after life and also to show mercy. This is because us mortal souls are no match for death and we need some sort of savior to help us out. Take death away and you will have people who have no need for a higher purpose or power or soul because there soul is now all powerful and will exist forever.
The reason why we are mortal today is because we're still alive on earth, the day you die you become immortal and religions ends that day a man dies. There is no religious activities in heaven it only exist on earth.
For me, immortality is not a big deal to me. I will still need guidance through religion because we are still going to experience worst things in life that we are not that strong to face even if we are already immortal.
Im not sure that many people want immortality at all. Sure maybe when your young you want this and believe its possible. However as you get older and more tired I would assume this might change. As we get older, our health fails. Sure you might be alive, but unable to see, unable to remember, unable to speak. Not sure I'd want to live forever.
No, i don't think so, us just that religion will look more plenty,people will turn themselves to God, doing as if they are the creator... There will be a lot of unnecessary religion that are not valuable..
No it wouldn't people always tend to believe in something bigger so it makes them easier to cope with their own problems.
Completely perfectly agreed with you. Humankind have a tendency to believe in some creators called god and This stuff help people to handle their existence problems. For that reason whether we are immortal or not we want to believe in holy stuff.
Yeah. Immortality doesn't mean that we are in control entirely of how we're going to live. Many aspects in life woukd still be beyond our control and that means we're going to look to something to make meaning out of whats happening to us
No it wouldn't people always tend to believe in something bigger so it makes them easier to cope with their own problems.
Completely perfectly agreed with you. Humankind have a tendency to believe in some creators called god and This stuff help people to handle their existence problems. For that reason whether we are immortal or not we want to believe in holy stuff.
Yes I believe that thing will happen for we are on the state of reality. Immortality is the mean concept of religion so I think the words of your question is already the answer.
If we be all immoral, we all gonna die, yes, but sooner, it better to be modest and try keep up some good things in life, until we all say goodbye forever, one by one - it surely will happen. As for religion, say goodbye to it and start living.
i think some people would still go to church or any kind of religion related places. cause i think religion not only for a better life on the afterlife, but religion is place where people confess their sin and a place for a forgiveness. so i believe even we are immortal religion would still exist for some people and for some reason.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
Let say that we will live forever because of being immortal but it doesn't that we can be free with any problems and challenges.
To pray is one way to have peace of mind and have faith to continue moving forward.
In the ream of Immortality there is no religion! If we would live forever or in the state were we would live without death there is no religion. Human beings are not pure enough to lead a church that is immortal and religion is a product of this earth and because of this man worship, prayed and atone for their sin because of fear of death and the consequent judgment.
There are still a lot of problem despite of death, we still can be sick and the world still has uncureable sickness and we always face problem in work and in our life, we need religion so our mind can be at peace and always happy with our life
As has already been said, we are immortal. Psychically, even after you die, your energy content will be bound to the cosmos.
However, consciously, if we never had the fear of death, we would not have to find ways to distract ourselves from if the first men knew this, then no, it is unlikely we would have religions in the way we do today.
We may however, have some form of cultish worship for the elders of humanity, beings who are many millenia old, and lived in both the stone ages, and the now. We would surely look up to them!
However, consciously, if we never had the fear of death, we would not have to find ways to distract ourselves from if the first men knew this, then no, it is unlikely we would have religions in the way we do today.
We may however, have some form of cultish worship for the elders of humanity, beings who are many millenia old, and lived in both the stone ages, and the now. We would surely look up to them!
if people no longer fear death, and will live an imortal life, yes religion will sure to fade. everbody gets tired of doing the same thing when there is nothing to look forward and free from the fear of death
Finally found the poem. I think it's the only poem that ever made a lasting impression on me. I'd just post it here coz I really like it.
Quote
The Delicate, Plummeting Bodies
A great cry went up from the stockyards and
slaughterhouses, and Death, tired of complaint
and constant abuse, withdrew to his underground garage.
He was still young and his work was a torment.
All over, their power cut, people stalled like street cars.
Their gravity taken away, they began to float.
Without buoyancy, they began to sink.
Each person became a single darkened room. The small hand
pressed firmly against the small of their backs
was suddenly gone and people swirled to a halt
like petals fallen from a flower. Why hurry?
Why get out of bed? People got off subways,
on subways, off subways all at the same stop.
Everywhere clocks languished in antique shops
as their hands composed themselves in sleep.
Without time and decay, people grew less beautiful.
They stopped eating and began to study their feet.
They stopped sleeping and spent weeks following stray dogs.
The first to react were remnants of the church.
They falsified miracles: displayed priests posing
as corpses until finally they sneezed or grew lonely.
Then governments called special elections to choose those
to join the ranks of the volunteer dead: unhappy people
forced to sit in straight chairs for weeks at a time.
Interest soon dwindled.
Then the army seized power
and soldiers ran through the street dabbling the living
with red paint. You're dead, they said. Maybe
tomorrow, people answered, today we're just breathing:
look at the sky, look at the color of the grass.
For without Death each color had grown brighter,
At last a committee of businessmen met together,
because with Death gone money had no value.
They went to where Death was waiting in a white room,
and he sat on the floor and looked like a small boy
with pale blond hair and eyes the color of clear water.
In his lap was a red ball heavy with the absence of life.
The businessmen flattered him. We will make you king,
they said. I am king already, Death answered. We will
print your likeness on all the money of the world.
It is there already, Death answered.
We adore you and will not live without you, the businessmen said.
Death said, I will consider your offer.
How Death was restored to his people:
At first the smallest creatures began to die-
bacteria and certain insects. No one noticed.
Then fish began to float to the surface; lizards and tree toads
toppled from sun-warmed rocks. Still no one saw them.
Then birds began tumbling out of the air,
and as sunlight flickered on the blue feathers
of the jay, brown of the hawk, white of the dove,
then people lifted their heads and pointed to the sky
and from the thirsty streets cries of welcome rose up
like a net to catch the delicate and plummeting bodies.
Stephen Dobyns
A great cry went up from the stockyards and
slaughterhouses, and Death, tired of complaint
and constant abuse, withdrew to his underground garage.
He was still young and his work was a torment.
All over, their power cut, people stalled like street cars.
Their gravity taken away, they began to float.
Without buoyancy, they began to sink.
Each person became a single darkened room. The small hand
pressed firmly against the small of their backs
was suddenly gone and people swirled to a halt
like petals fallen from a flower. Why hurry?
Why get out of bed? People got off subways,
on subways, off subways all at the same stop.
Everywhere clocks languished in antique shops
as their hands composed themselves in sleep.
Without time and decay, people grew less beautiful.
They stopped eating and began to study their feet.
They stopped sleeping and spent weeks following stray dogs.
The first to react were remnants of the church.
They falsified miracles: displayed priests posing
as corpses until finally they sneezed or grew lonely.
Then governments called special elections to choose those
to join the ranks of the volunteer dead: unhappy people
forced to sit in straight chairs for weeks at a time.
Interest soon dwindled.
Then the army seized power
and soldiers ran through the street dabbling the living
with red paint. You're dead, they said. Maybe
tomorrow, people answered, today we're just breathing:
look at the sky, look at the color of the grass.
For without Death each color had grown brighter,
At last a committee of businessmen met together,
because with Death gone money had no value.
They went to where Death was waiting in a white room,
and he sat on the floor and looked like a small boy
with pale blond hair and eyes the color of clear water.
In his lap was a red ball heavy with the absence of life.
The businessmen flattered him. We will make you king,
they said. I am king already, Death answered. We will
print your likeness on all the money of the world.
It is there already, Death answered.
We adore you and will not live without you, the businessmen said.
Death said, I will consider your offer.
How Death was restored to his people:
At first the smallest creatures began to die-
bacteria and certain insects. No one noticed.
Then fish began to float to the surface; lizards and tree toads
toppled from sun-warmed rocks. Still no one saw them.
Then birds began tumbling out of the air,
and as sunlight flickered on the blue feathers
of the jay, brown of the hawk, white of the dove,
then people lifted their heads and pointed to the sky
and from the thirsty streets cries of welcome rose up
like a net to catch the delicate and plummeting bodies.
Stephen Dobyns
And here's another weird question that comes up. I've read some weird questions like "would you eat humans?". The question sounds weird, but we still make it possible to eat humans. But this one is even more bizarre, the immortality will not exist, so there is no answer to this question.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
If we were immortals, there is big probability that religions will die. But don't you think that living forever without a purpose is boring?
Immortality will lead to chaos and make life's life unbearable. If no one dies and can not kill each other from the hatred of the one who accumulates for such a long existence, it will be much worse than believing in some religion.
That's a possibility. What sort of immortality are you talking about though? "Immortal" as in being forever you and not getting sick or immortal as in completely indestructible and just keeps on regenerating a la Wolverine? I think the chance or people leaving religion would be higher with the later. It would make people seem godly compared to the mortals they used to be.
But would we be able to tolerate immortality though? I remember reading a poem somewhere. There Death got so feed up he went on exile. At first humans were exhilarated but in typical human fashion, quickly got bored. They wasted days inspecting their soles. They spent weeks following and observing stray dogs.
We'll end up like the Greek gods, petty, vain and in need of constant validation.
But would we be able to tolerate immortality though? I remember reading a poem somewhere. There Death got so feed up he went on exile. At first humans were exhilarated but in typical human fashion, quickly got bored. They wasted days inspecting their soles. They spent weeks following and observing stray dogs.
We'll end up like the Greek gods, petty, vain and in need of constant validation.
my question isn't if we can become immortal or not, my question is that if death stops being a problem would people still pray and worship the different religions and god knowing that they will never die.
I have gone to church lots of times with my parents, i live in a christian family, and i cannot stop noticing that the majority of people that attend to church are old people/people with drug abuse, financial problems or really old people that know that they are screwed and that they are probably going to die so based in this i know that most of humans seek for god when they are in problems and that this isn't a real faith, they just seek religion when they are going to die because they know that if they can't live well on this life, maybe in the next one they will have everything that they desire in "heaven"
I have gone to church lots of times with my parents, i live in a christian family, and i cannot stop noticing that the majority of people that attend to church are old people/people with drug abuse, financial problems or really old people that know that they are screwed and that they are probably going to die so based in this i know that most of humans seek for god when they are in problems and that this isn't a real faith, they just seek religion when they are going to die because they know that if they can't live well on this life, maybe in the next one they will have everything that they desire in "heaven"
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
Not everyone on Sunday goes to church to confess and pray. Only the followers of the Way. So whether they live forever or not? Does not depend on the church to pray. Some people do not go to church but throughout their lives they do good deeds and do much to help others.
what do you think why we should need religion if we are all immortals? I guess religion exist because in our minds we just been built of our ancient faith
and if immortal exist there's no ancient believe as they are also still living as of now.
and if immortal exist there's no ancient believe as they are also still living as of now.
if we are all immortal , there is no religion in this world . and there is no reason people will go to church and pray , earth will be crowded with immortals just like a room full of people feels like hell.
When I was 12 years old I went to church with my brothers and friends, as everyone on my street went to church I decided to give it a try... I attended the church for a few days, I gave up the church because I did not agree with the things that Church said and did.
2 years passed and my neighbors accused me of being a sorcerer, I was only 14 years old and accused of sending spirits to kill them.
Every day they fought with my parents because they insisted that they saw me at dawn and in the dark doing satanic ritual, when in fact I was sleeping in my bedroom
Everyone on my street stopped talking to me, people ignored me, people spat on me and threw rocks at me.
2 years passed and my neighbors accused me of being a sorcerer, I was only 14 years old and accused of sending spirits to kill them.
Every day they fought with my parents because they insisted that they saw me at dawn and in the dark doing satanic ritual, when in fact I was sleeping in my bedroom
Everyone on my street stopped talking to me, people ignored me, people spat on me and threw rocks at me.
This is the dark face of Christianity. You were targeted because you refused to go to the church. In my place also, the Christians use similar tactics. It is very difficult for Hindus to live in a Christian majority area.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
I will never wish immortality, earth will be very crowded and will feels like hell.
Maybe that is hell!
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
Considering the primary reason for religions existing is to explain what happens after death... yes
People are only religious because they fear death... when you are very afraid of something, you can believe anything that comforts you
But, if nobody is afraid of death, religion would be unnecessary
I think this sort of question is one of those that can be a yes and no depending on how you think about it. On the yes side of it, the thing is that people aren't going to care about the afterlife due to the fact that you're not going to be going to the afterlife. But when you go on the otherside of this, people are still going to want answers to the most basic of questions that normal people, aren't able to answer.
One of the biggest questions is going to be 'how did we get her' this is the question that no human can fully answer without being debunked by someone else,this is the void that religion fills in life. But overall I'll have to say that this is one of the questions that's insanely tough to answer.
One of the biggest questions is going to be 'how did we get her' this is the question that no human can fully answer without being debunked by someone else,this is the void that religion fills in life. But overall I'll have to say that this is one of the questions that's insanely tough to answer.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
I will never wish immortality, earth will be very crowded and will feels like hell.
Earth wouldn't become crowded, we'd colonize space and have underground and underwater cities in no time.
I don't think religious thought will ever go away especially considering how long it has lasted. Some of the oldest text in teh world are religious. Plus for many people it's more important than anything else in the world! Think about all those that have dedicated their lives to religious thought and practice. If they lived forever...
First of, it is "immortal", not "inmortal".
As for your question, the answer is no, it wouldn't. It is impossible to truly be immortal. Think about it. It would require someone to live literally forever. Human beings still would not be able to survive natural disasters, such as a meteor hitting Earth or earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.
Even if we could alter our DNA to stop us from aging, it would be impossible to never die due to the reason mentioned above.
As for your question, the answer is no, it wouldn't. It is impossible to truly be immortal. Think about it. It would require someone to live literally forever. Human beings still would not be able to survive natural disasters, such as a meteor hitting Earth or earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.
Even if we could alter our DNA to stop us from aging, it would be impossible to never die due to the reason mentioned above.
immortal soul or spirit.
When I was 12 years old I went to church with my brothers and friends, as everyone on my street went to church I decided to give it a try... I attended the church for a few days, I gave up the church because I did not agree with the things that Church said and did.
2 years passed and my neighbors accused me of being a sorcerer, I was only 14 years old and accused of sending spirits to kill them.
Every day they fought with my parents because they insisted that they saw me at dawn and in the dark doing satanic ritual, when in fact I was sleeping in my bedroom
Everyone on my street stopped talking to me, people ignored me, people spat on me and threw rocks at me.
I had to live in the house alone for years and without no friends until the day I moved out of the other province
All these people who accused me of witchcraft were church people
Do you know what really killed my neighbors? It was AIDS that killed them
Religion blind people
Religion makes people commit atrocities
God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth.
Really? You were born of the love of your parents and there was nothing divine about it.
All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales.
I do not know anything about immortality, but I must tell you that everyone including you should be very grateful to science
Because of science today we are here in bitcointalk, only science can solve our problems and we can only count on the aid of science
You can say that God exists, but everything you use in your day to day life has been thanks to science.
Of course religion will die
These religious fanatics go every Sunday to the church, because they believe that when they die they will go to paradise to have everything they want. the same applies to the crazy of the Muslims who are going to do terrorism thinking that in paradise they will have a good life
I love true science. Science which is clean from the dirts of the stupid theory of evolution. Any kind of other science backed up by evolutionists who tells us we come from Monkeys or from Reptiles I will never believe it until I see a Monkey becoming a man. If not then it is a lie. With this I am not saying the paradise is proven either but surely the evolution theory is made up story from the past.
Do we have faith just because we will die? Do we go to churches because we know we will die? Even if we will libe forever, we should praise and worship God because we are His creation. And if we are living, it is not like we only need air to breathe but foods to eat and water to drink. And all those things can only be provided by our Creator. Another topic that will cause debate.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
I think that you don't understand our reality.
People have a transient and mortal body and immortal soul or spirit.
So, our bodies die, but eternal and immortal spirit returns to the creator, God.
So, we will always believe in God but right now we need religion to re connect with Gd, since we lost this connection.
When we find God again, we will not need religion any more.
God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth.
Really? You were born of the love of your parents and there was nothing divine about it.
All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales.
I do not know anything about immortality, but I must tell you that everyone including you should be very grateful to science
Because of science today we are here in bitcointalk, only science can solve our problems and we can only count on the aid of science
You can say that God exists, but everything you use in your day to day life has been thanks to science.
Of course religion will die
These religious fanatics go every Sunday to the church, because they believe that when they die they will go to paradise to have everything they want. the same applies to the crazy of the Muslims who are going to do terrorism thinking that in paradise they will have a good life
That may be a bit harsh for religious people, though i can agree. sooner or later religion, the way it is and what it is, will someday disappear.
Today mostly religions are businesses and ways of manipulation, i don't see anything divine about religions, though its my modest opinion.
God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth.
Really? You were born of the love of your parents and there was nothing divine about it.
All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales.
I do not know anything about immortality, but I must tell you that everyone including you should be very grateful to science
Because of science today we are here in bitcointalk, only science can solve our problems and we can only count on the aid of science
You can say that God exists, but everything you use in your day to day life has been thanks to science.
Of course religion will die
These religious fanatics go every Sunday to the church, because they believe that when they die they will go to paradise to have everything they want. the same applies to the crazy of the Muslims who are going to do terrorism thinking that in paradise they will have a good life
This is a good thing to look at. Possibly some religions would die but surely those that are fully rooted and have a very strong foundation like Islam and christianism would still exist. People most of the time are wary about what would happen to their souls if they die and it varies to which religions they belong to. So removing the aspect of death would make a lot of people change their current beliefs and perspective.
If people did't die, Nobody would any holy stuff like god, angels, jesus. I am sure that Death is a the best thing for living creatures . We know that Life will end and beyond nothing will happened. God or heaven won't be waiting for us after death.
We all know that we will all die, ok agree with that, but how are you so sure there's nothing beyond? Its not a question about hell heaven or purple flying elephants, its a fundamental question, HOW DO YOU KNOW??
The basic start towards answering your question, is to understand that science and nature prove that God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
Naah thanx, theoretically it's impossible to believe any entity that he or she is a god, thus nobody will ever believe anybody that he/she is a god whatever visual effects he/she will produce
so this is impossible and useless question. If people did't die, Nobody would any holy stuff like god, angels, jesus. I am sure that Death is a the best thing for living creatures . We know that Life will end and beyond nothing will happened. God or heaven won't be waiting for us after death.
We all know that we will all die, ok agree with that, but how are you so sure there's nothing beyond? Its not a question about hell heaven or purple flying elephants, its a fundamental question, HOW DO YOU KNOW??
The basic start towards answering your question, is to understand that science and nature prove that God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
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if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
i am never thinking like this because i am not thinking that human could live forever and we should know what is the purposes of human creation. maybe there will be no religion for us and we don't have to pray because we are can not die and everything is working like we want. we only need to stay at our planet without having religion and we only enjoy our time in here.
If people did't die, Nobody would any holy stuff like god, angels, jesus. I am sure that Death is a the best thing for living creatures . We know that Life will end and beyond nothing will happened. God or heaven won't be waiting for us after death.
We all know that we will all die, ok agree with that, but how are you so sure there's nothing beyond? Its not a question about hell heaven or purple flying elephants, its a fundamental question, HOW DO YOU KNOW??
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
By believing Jesus you become immortal and this discussion becomes irrelevant. Religion has nothing to do with it.
But the immortality follows a short nap in the ground.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
By believing Jesus you become immortal and this discussion becomes irrelevant. Religion has nothing to do with it.
No it wouldn't people always tend to believe in something bigger so it makes them easier to cope with their own problems.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
We can never be immortal. God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth. All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales. Death will catch us no matter where we are. If we become immortal what's the point going to church so I think no , no one will go to pray anymore but that is impossible as I already said.
A bit strange question. Death can not be no problem. Just the physical body of a person will not survive for several thousand years even if he does not believe in God.
If people did't die, Nobody would any holy stuff like god, angels, jesus. I am sure that Death is a the best thing for living creatures . We know that Life will end and beyond nothing will happened. God or heaven won't be waiting for us after death.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
I will never wish immortality, earth will be very crowded and will feels like hell.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
This is the weirdest question I've read in this subforum yet. How high are you? LOL
Well, to answer your question, why not? In Christianity's perspective God is the ultimate father and our creator. So why not? Just because we won't go to heaven or hell we should stop worshiping him?
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
We can never be immortal. God has created death and has given everyone of us a certain amount of time to live in this earth. All the shit the media tell us about science and that they have found a cure which can bring us immortality are only fairy tales. Death will catch us no matter where we are. If we become immortal what's the point going to church so I think no , no one will go to pray anymore but that is impossible as I already said.
if we would all live forever, would people still go to churches and pray? what would happen to faith when death is no longer a problem...?
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