Topic: Ignored user's post on QUOTE is visible (Read 478 times)
This is a discussion forum where people say different things and have different opinions. If Person B quotes and replies to a post written by Person A, how will you understand what Person B is talking about if you don't know the whole story, if you don't know what person A said? How will you know if you agree with Person B if you don't know what Person A said? Even if you put person A on ignore for reason X, you might still agree with them on reason y and not agree with person B's quote and correction, for example. So you need to know the context to participate in the discussion properly even if one of the parties is on ignore. If you can't take into account everything that has been said, it makes no sense adding to the discussion and agreeing/disagreeing with person B.
But I doubt there is a way to make it as OP expected.
The system isn't built that way, but maybe the OP shouldn't be so rigid with his wishes. Most people look away when they hate each other, so why is this any different in the OP's case?Ignored users will remain ignored as long as we don't remove them from the ignored list. So it doesn't really matter to me when someone quotes their post as long as I still don't want to respond to it. In real life we can't keep hoping that someone we really hate will never meet face to face someday, that's very unlikely, unless they have been in different realms.
I have never used the ignore list feature before, ~
I also still don't use this feature. It is not a must, we use it when it is really needed only.In my opinion, ignoring some users just make them beyond our monitor. We no longer can track their activities.
~with your explanation, I think this feature is in it's perfect working condition. Because just as many have said and I'm trying to add mine, it will make no sense if the writeup of an ignored user not visible when quoted by a totally different individual. Because what if that individual was trying to explain a topic using the example of someone you ones ignored, because such thread or article will never be complete if certain quotes is hidden simply because you ones ignored such user.
You are right. There is no problem with that feature, it works fine.According to OP case, it was visible because it wasn't the activity (post) of the ignored user. The post was created by a non ignored user. So, both the quoted post and his post became visible. I know OP means to make the quoted post be not visible for OP only (other members can see it). But I doubt there is a way to make it as OP expected.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense.
I have never used the ignore list feature before, but with your explanation, I think this feature is in it's perfect working condition. Because just as many have said and I'm trying to add mine, it will make no sense if the writeup of an ignored user not visible when quoted by a totally different individual. Because what if that individual was trying to explain a topic using the example of someone you ones ignored, because such thread or article will never be complete if certain quotes is hidden simply because you ones ignored such user.
The user still remains on the ignore list what was displayed wasn't a direct post of whom was ignored but a post from some other user who quoted the user on an ignored list.
If the quote doesn't reflect, it will be assumed the poster is making an off-topic post, mostly when the quote only relates to a particular post from either the OP or a reply on the thread. I think the sole aim of the ignore button is not to hoard information but to ignore a particular user. And bad posters become good over time so their post could be quoted in agreement or opposition but which ever reason it was quoted for it doesn't change the fact they still exist on the ignore list just that someone found interest in their post and as long as the quote was made by someone not on an ignore list it will always show both.
If the quote doesn't reflect, it will be assumed the poster is making an off-topic post, mostly when the quote only relates to a particular post from either the OP or a reply on the thread. I think the sole aim of the ignore button is not to hoard information but to ignore a particular user. And bad posters become good over time so their post could be quoted in agreement or opposition but which ever reason it was quoted for it doesn't change the fact they still exist on the ignore list just that someone found interest in their post and as long as the quote was made by someone not on an ignore list it will always show both.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
It's very simple if you want to know the answer, make sure you have to know the difference between post and quote, the two features are never the same because the quote will not be able to change after the author of the post updates the post, so the quote is static text from the basic post as well as some collection of code (quote author= [username] link=topic=[link topic] date= ) post (/quote) javascript will convert it into a reply post, but the quote doesn't have coding correlation with the base post then it will appear public without the influence of the user being ignored and the quote post not never changed even though the author of the previous post has changed that post.
If someone else quoted the post of a user you have ignored and you do not see that quoted post (as being suggested by you) , how will you understand the context of the new post ? So current scenario is more appropriate.
Ignored could be option if you found user have spam post habit and you want to hidden this user trough ignored list, several DT member have did it by ignored user considered have low quality post and most close with spam post. About spam or lower quality post based on each other opinion, actually several thread ever discussing about user listed with spam and have low quality post, but regardless the Bounty Manager keep allowing this person exist in their campaign without think his participants list have spam or low quality post.
You have option ignore some one what ever your reason, but after ignoring you can't see their post history and can't quote for the ignoring user list, I have 4-5 ignored list right now.
You have option ignore some one what ever your reason, but after ignoring you can't see their post history and can't quote for the ignoring user list, I have 4-5 ignored list right now.
Perhaps, the creator of that bot should tweak it a bit to exclude ignored users.
I don't know how you missed that, but there is already an option in @BTTSuperNotifier_bot to add users on ignore list, so you don't get those notifications. 
Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
It's the same thing that happens with the @BTTSuperNotifier_bot. You get to receive notifications when a user on your ignore list quotes you directly in the forum. That can be annoying too. You don't even know it's a user on your ignore list until you go to read their stuff in the forum. That's when you discover they're on ignore. Yes, I know that users do improve in their posts style and writing and that isn't a reason I would ignore anyone. There are more cogent and tangible reasons to put anyone under ignore, especially if you think they become irritants. To get quoted by such users and one gets to see it is like putting it out in one's face again. Perhaps, the creator of that bot should tweak it a bit to exclude ignored users. 
If you understand coding you could also try creating a script that would do what you want, but I think this is just a waste of time because in very rear occasions I see quoted posts from ignored members.
I would say this is almost impossible. And I just don't say it's impossible, because in computing everything is possible.
But the content of a post is just text for the server and for the browser, there is no way for it to filter what information appears in the middle of it or not.
This is like a book. You can tear the pages out of a book, but a few pages in front of the torn pages, nothing can be done. Each page is unique and deleting one does not delete another.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
It's the same thing if I quote text from some article or magazine, or if I indirectly use words written by someone else. I don't understand why would that be a problem for anyone, but if you want to go extreme than you can start ignoring everyone else who is quoting members that you ignored.
If you understand coding you could also try creating a script that would do what you want, but I think this is just a waste of time because in very rear occasions I see quoted posts from ignored members.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
A true block function is definitely needed here. I've found a great deal of happiness using this site after ignoring a great deal of troublemakers, but occasionally I still see them posting on my threads or mentioning me when they're quoted. I'd hate for these individuals to think I still acknowledge them or their posts as being anything but worthless garbage, as I may respond to the users who have quoted them. It would be great if we could just hit the block button and then never have to waste time reading anything they write every again. Free speech shouldn't equal a forced audience.
There is a 2019 thread that picked-up some latter discussion on the matter last summertime, where several people related or formerly related to developing SMF chipped-in, essentially to say that any solution would consume too many resources.
It's normal, because this is mandatory for the forum, as the post is edited in order to hide that quote. Something very complicated to achieve, for the benefit it could bring.
It has to be borne in mind that each post by each user is unique, no matter how many quotes there are, all the content of the post belongs to the user who made it. So, even if he has quotes from other users, the post is still his.
Out of curiosity, I browsed through the SMF forum to see if the idea is tackled and resolved in later versions of SMF, to the one Bitcointalk is currently on - not that it’s going to get upgraded, but for the sake of it.
There is a 2019 thread that picked-up some latter discussion on the matter last summertime, where several people related or formerly related to developing SMF chipped-in, essentially to say that any solution would consume too many resources.
See: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=568684.0
There is a 2019 thread that picked-up some latter discussion on the matter last summertime, where several people related or formerly related to developing SMF chipped-in, essentially to say that any solution would consume too many resources.
See: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=568684.0
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Although I haven't used the ignore option much yet. But what you mentioned about the quoting of ignore option I don't think forum has anything to do about it.To give an example,suppose you are a Facebook user, you have blocked someone to ignore his post or picture, but suppose another Fb friend of yours is connected to him, now if he uploads a screenshot of that user post and it appears in front of you, then this Does Facebook have anything to do about it?
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
It happens in other forums as well. Even if you ignore a person, you are still going to find some things they write as in the case you mention or if you are not logged in. But you can also ignore with your eyes what he says, which is what I do most of the time in those cases. Can't you do that? Block either if you are curious and hit show/hide.
I think things are fine the way they are.
In my case I've been ignoring 4 or 5 of those who have been on the forum for a long time and post regularly and I've very rarely read a snippet of what they say since I ignored them.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
If the feature you're expecting to be implemented may hide most posts from you if you ignored more people so its like complicated to implement and not much to be offended if its shown by via others post which is simply becomes someone else's post when they quoted the person you put on ignore.
Pyramid qoute, is that what you mean?
It's especially irritating and it's sad to see that some older members haven't learned even some elementary things like editing the content they quote. However, I was thinking of something else here, and that is completely unnecessary quoting OP - for example, look at this thread from the post you see to the end of the thread (so far) as many as 5 members are quoting the OP, and to make matters worse, the OP is just shilling his web link, and they are helping him.
If you have put someone on ignore list then you would not see his post but if someone else quote his/her reply you will see it as you are viewing the that memeber post which is considered as single post and I also don't find big issue in it.
You just don't want to see his post and if you find it unsuitable you can simply pass on that post or as suggested by others ignore that person also but what if others also quote him? So the best is to ignore these things and move on with the post you don't want to reply or see.
You just don't want to see his post and if you find it unsuitable you can simply pass on that post or as suggested by others ignore that person also but what if others also quote him? So the best is to ignore these things and move on with the post you don't want to reply or see.
After all I won't be bothered by quote other users quoting posts of users I've ignored, I also won't bother reading posts of users I've ignored even if he's quoting mine. It's the way it should be.
Interesting point, if you have an ignored user, you will not be able to read a post from him that he quotes you and may even distort what you say.
You may not actually read this message, but other forum users will, even if he talks badly about you. You won't be able to answer - because you don't know.
But, it doesn't exist for you either, it's not really a problem. Now others don't know if you ignored them or not.
Some people are bothered by rather unimportant things, and I think this is one of them. There are forum members who have hundreds or even thousands of members on ignore, and my advice to the OP is to add to ignore those members who quote members who are already on his ignore list
LOL, I hope that's not the best advice for the OP, but if the users quoting them don't differ much from different users then it can't hurt to ignore both. After all I won't be bothered by quote other users quoting posts of users I've ignored, I also won't bother reading posts of users I've ignored even if he's quoting mine. It's the way it should be.
What is certain is the fact that many abuse the quote option, and it would really be good if there were some rule about it.
Pyramid qoute, is that what you mean?
Some people are bothered by rather unimportant things, and I think this is one of them. There are forum members who have hundreds or even thousands of members on ignore, and my advice to the OP is to add to ignore those members who quote members who are already on his ignore list
What is certain is the fact that many abuse the quote option, and it would really be good if there were some rule about it.
What is certain is the fact that many abuse the quote option, and it would really be good if there were some rule about it.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose.
I think that's has met its intended purpose from the ignore user feature, meaning you've ignored user you should ignore but of course you wouldn't automatically ignore his/her posts cited by other users.So far I haven't had a problem with this, but I don't know why you would be bothered by it. If you ignore the user, then you shouldn't be reading his post even if it's quoted by another user, it makes more sense to me. I would just wonder why you should read it even if it's quoted by someone else.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
Ignoring a user does not delete the user's memberships from the server. It just tells the system, so that user's posts do not appear when you are reading a topic.
In turn, everything that each user writes in their post is their responsibility, whether it is a quote from other users or not.
Speaking in a more technical way without being complex. We can say that for the site, the quote is not from the other user, it is from the user who posted it. For the site, qoute is just a function to highlight a text, and which allows you to create a link to another post or site.
Therefore, when I quoted your post, that content is mine, I can edit, change or replace it. Referring to its origin. But I have all the power to touch this content, not you, because this post is mine.
It's visible because it's someone else's post.
You can't have all user posts getting hidden just because the quoted part of the text from someone whom you ignored
Quick question; why bother reading the posts or quotes if you already ignored the user?
It's like continuing to pip at someone and yet you did want anything to do with them
You can't have all user posts getting hidden just because the quoted part of the text from someone whom you ignored
Quick question; why bother reading the posts or quotes if you already ignored the user?
It's like continuing to pip at someone and yet you did want anything to do with them
Perhaps the user reads through every post in the thread and might happen to inadvertently stumble across someone that quotes the ignored.
Ignoring someone is fine and cool but to make their post invisible when someone quote their post is somehow not helpful. The post of the one that quote your ignored user will be questionable and meaningless since you don't know what they responded to and you won't know where the conversation is heading to. Implementing this feature will cause confusion in the forum IMO.
But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense.
Well, think it like this: you block person1 number in your phone. You talk with person2. And person2 tells you "you know, person1 said this and that".
We have the same situation here too.
Now, if person2 talks more about what person1 tells than anything else, then you can consider blocking/ignoring person2 too. Else, no biggie.
However, not a bug.
I believe it will be difficult to implement and it is a non-issue. How many times do you browse through the forum and see an ignored users post visible through quote, i don't think it can happen frequently, except it's a member who ignores many good posters for reasons other that the quality of their post, then you may see a lot of their quoted posts because your ignored users are active in popular sections and many forum members interact with them.
But if you ignore only shitposters who are known to post very bad posts in the bounty section, off topic board or very far away from sections that good posters go to, you may never see their posts again, even through quotes.
But if you ignore only shitposters who are known to post very bad posts in the bounty section, off topic board or very far away from sections that good posters go to, you may never see their posts again, even through quotes.
I don't see a problem with this. It's not often that you'll be shown a quote from someone you want to ignore. Mostly, these are trolls or bad posters, and I think that users pay minimal attention to their posts. On the other hand, as previously suggested, if you happen to see posts from a poster you dislike, you may have a chance to reconsider ignoring it. Well, or just put on dark glasses and pass by.
Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
I believe it is limitation of SMF forum machine. Furthermore, if you click on 'Check post history of this user', even you ignored that user, you will still see all of his posts in post history page.So the ignore on a specific user works differently than when you ignore a specific board by using 'Ignore Boards Preferences' which will hide all posts in that board.
- If a display name of one user is changed, the old display name will still remain the same in quoted posts. It won't be changed to a new display name. If theymos does make it for display / username changes, it won't be applied for quoted posts
- It perhaps because it was coded like it intentionally but I am more keen on a first theory.
I will leave this reply from suchmoon the same case/concern related to ignored/quoted post, posted a year ago.
Someone who quotes your ignored user might have an otherwise useful post. It would be nice to have the quote of the ignored user to be collapsed (and while we're at it, collapse/reduce wall-quotes and large images too) but hiding the whole post would be too harsh IMO.
I see this as most appropriate reason why theymos don't snip/hide the post who quote the post of the ignored user. 
I would not hold my breath for this feature, as it would be technically very difficult to implement. There is no easy way to hide all quotes from an ignored user. Quotes can be edited, split, merged, changed... so, there is no simple algorithm that could take all of that into account.
It's visible because it's someone else's post.
You can't have all user posts getting hidden just because the quoted part of the text from someone whom you ignored
Quick question; why bother reading the posts or quotes if you already ignored the user?
It's like continuing to pip at someone and yet you did want anything to do with them
You can't have all user posts getting hidden just because the quoted part of the text from someone whom you ignored
Quick question; why bother reading the posts or quotes if you already ignored the user?
It's like continuing to pip at someone and yet you did want anything to do with them
It is the quote that is visible (when some quoted the ignored person)? If it is like that, the person did not ignore the person that quoted the ignored user, why should it not be visible? That would be wrong if not visible. It is what the person is posting that makes you to ignore him, not because someone is quoting him.
Some poor posters can become a good poster, this may even lead to the user that ignored the user to think otherwise if what he is later posting is good. The awareness may start from the quote. But there are other reasons a user is included on ignore list.
Some poor posters can become a good poster, this may even lead to the user that ignored the user to think otherwise if what he is later posting is good. The awareness may start from the quote. But there are other reasons a user is included on ignore list.
I knew it from long ago but today realized that ignore option doesn't serve its purpose. If we put someone on our ignore list, his/her post isn't visible. But when someone else quote the ignored user, it gets visible which I guess doesn't make any sense. Why don't we have the option to ignore someone permanently in such a way that we don't see their post without removing them from our ignore list?
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