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legendary
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March 03, 2015, 09:15:01 AM
#50
When Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938 some regions of this country in the same time were occupied by Polish troops. Poland invaded and annexed Zaolzie territory part of Southern Slovakia. Why would you expect one year later in a similar situation the Soviets to act differently?

Please if you use History, do not change the content.. i know that Russia like to rewrite it and remove the ugly stuff but ... and you forget to add that after the war, the land has been given BACK !

And Zaolzie was not part of Slovakia ... look where is Silesia in Poland !

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On 1 September 1939 Nazi Germany invaded Poland, starting World War II in the West hemisphere, and subsequently made Zaolzie part of the Military district of Upper Silesia. On 26 October 1939 Nazi Germany unilaterally annexed Zaolzie as part of Landkreis Teschen. During the war, strong Germanization was introduced by the authorities. The Jews were in the worst position, followed by the Poles.[52] Poles received lower food rations, they were supposed to pay extra taxes, they were not allowed to enter theatres, cinemas, etc.[52] Polish and Czech education ceased to exist, Polish organizations were dismantled and their activity was prohibited. Katowice's Bishop Adamski was deposed as apostolic administrator for the Catholic parishes in Zaolzie and on 23 December 1939 Cesare Orsenigo, nuncio to Germany, returned them to their original archdioceses of Breslau or Olomouc, respectively, with effect of 1 January 1940.[53]

The German authorities introduced terror into Zaolzie. The Nazis especially targeted the Polish intelligentsia, many of whom died during the war. Mass killings, executions, arrests, taking locals to forced labour and deportations to concentration camps all happened on a daily basis.[52] The most notorious war crime was a murder of 36 villagers in and around Żywocice on 6 August 1944.[54] This massacre is known as Tragedia Żywocicka (the Żywocice tragedy). The resistance movement, mostly composed of Poles, was fairly strong in Zaolzie. Volkslists – a document in which a non-German citizen declared that he had some German ancestry by signing it; refusal to sign this document could lead to deportation to a concentration camp – were introduced. Local people who took them were later on enrolled in the Wehrmacht. Many local people with no German ancestry were also forced to take them. The World War II death toll in Zaolzie is estimated at about 6,000 people: about 2,500 Jews, 2,000 other citizens (80% of them being Poles)[55] and more than 1,000 locals who died in the Wehrmacht (those who took the Volksliste).[55] Also a few hundred Poles from Zaolzie were murdered by Soviets in the Katyn massacre.[56] Percentage-wise, Zaolzie suffered the worst human loss from the whole of Czechoslovakia – about 2.6% of the total population.[55]
Since 1945
Polish Gorals from Jablunkov during PZKO festival in Karviná, 2007

Immediately after World War II, Zaolzie was returned to Czechoslovakia within its 1920 borders, although local Poles hoped it would again be given to Poland.[57] While most Czechoslovaks of German ethnicity were expelled, the local Polish population again suffered discrimination, as many Czechs blamed them for the discrimination by the Polish authorities in 1938–1939.[58] Polish organizations were banned, and the Czechoslovak authorities carried out many arrests and dismissed many Poles from work.[59] The situation had somewhat improved when the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia took power in February 1948. Polish property deprived by the German occupants during the war was never returned.
legendary
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March 03, 2015, 09:03:32 AM
#49
Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.

You forget to tell that all the stuffs built ... has been built by "slave" ... they forget to add "abandonned child" ... do we need to recall you that Russia has been since ages the highest number of child abandonned in street ?? You explain that many US people are living outside ... and in russia ... ? How many lives under descent economic needs ?

Every thing build in russia has been built with the blood of people .... last show has been Sochi Games ... so if you want to show that Russia is Strong because they slaved people, yes you are right !

Hoo and as they are so strong , i wish they will restore Kadykchan .... because i thought "ghost city" could never happend in the so big Russia ....

Free propaganda ... but once again the video show the truth ..... invaded by weapons , governed by anti-democratic and only the power of fear ....

Well done !
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March 03, 2015, 07:34:52 AM
#48

Gaddafi steal 200 billion,Saddam steal 200 billion,now Putin steal 200 billion.
Same pattern, same propaganda
tss
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March 01, 2015, 02:24:46 AM
#46
great video to put things into some perspective.  quite a view, proud of tyranny rather than the us democracy spreaders aground the globe.  different than we would say about russia.  i liked it alot
legendary
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February 28, 2015, 11:51:17 PM
#45
Don't bother, he's now unsuccessfully trying to overcome the cognitive dissonance  Cheesy

When Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938 some regions of this country in the same time were occupied by Polish troops. Poland invaded and annexed Zaolzie territory part of Southern Slovakia. Why would you expect one year later in a similar situation the Soviets to act differently?
Because of cognitive dissonance. Only the brave and noble western warriors of light are allowed to act in such way. Fucking dirty evil soviet hordes by definition are forbidden to defend themselves.

Of course Stalin killed 1 billion people. And even more... He personally raped their corpses.
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February 28, 2015, 11:42:42 PM
#44
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
Obviously it can't be. But if you want to hear some other opinions... you can read this.

According to Oleg Rzheshevsky, a President of the Russian Association of World War II Historians, only 4,148 Red Army officers and many soldiers were convicted of atrocities. He explains crimes such as acts of sexual assault as inevitable parts of war, and men of Soviet and other Allied armies committed them. However, in general, he says Soviet servicemen treated peaceful Germans with humanity.

Makhmut Gareev states that he had not even heard about sexual violence. He says that "instances of cruelty, including sexual, occurred", and that they "simply could not be absent after what the Nazis did" in the USSR, but also states that "such cases were strongly suppressed and punished," and that "they did not become widespread." He notes that the Soviet military leadership signed an executive order on 19 January 1945 that demanded the prevention of cruel treatment of the local population.


And, suddenly, you can find words of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in Wikipedia. Who also wrote in his books that Stalin kill more than 100 million people in the USSR. He also lied about many other things and it's proven. So, it's clear for me that Soviet soldiers was not monsters. My grandparents are good men. And I will never believe people who say that they were rapist or killing monsters. Screw that. They lost their brothers, they lost their moms, sisters, they facing death to save the country and (in future) life of my dad and my life. And now, after the 70 years, bastards began to scream that soviet soldiers were bad, unpolite, rapist and etc. As i said, screw that!
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February 28, 2015, 09:22:08 PM
#43
I'll ignore your assumption that a defeated country whose capital is taken over by the enemy ceases to exist and just state the facts.
You'd better read what I said instead of deducing my assumptions.

What I said is that the state seizes to exist if there is no government at all! The government of Poland didn't go out of the capital to the eastern part of the country. They were evacuated to London. You can't expect a foreign neighboring country to remain neutral. Of course the Red army will move in to create a buffer zone if the Polish government deserted from their duties.

When Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938 some regions of this country in the same time were occupied by Polish troops. Poland invaded and annexed Zaolzie territory part of Southern Slovakia. Why would you expect one year later in a similar situation the Soviets to act differently?

They were so eager to create the buffer zone that they attacked Polish forces stationed along the border and proceeded to drink Vodka with the Nazi, coming from the West. The prisoners were put in concentration camps and 6 months later, in March, murdered and buried in mass graves.

Poles and Czechoslovaks were conflicted about Zaolzie 20 years before that, simply because it was inhabited by both nations and both thought of it as their land. The Allies proposed a plebiscite to be held in 1919, to allow people to decide which country should claim the land, but finally it didn't happen and the land was divided in Spa (1920). As a result over 100 thousand Poles were forced to leave and of course most of them wanted to go back. Zaolzie was taken without a fight 18 years later, with consent of the foreign minister of Czechoslovakia, so it's hard to compare this to what the Soviets did in 39.
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February 28, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
#42
When Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938 some regions of this country in the same time were occupied by Polish troops. Poland invaded and annexed Zaolzie territory part of Southern Slovakia. Why would you expect one year later in a similar situation the Soviets to act differently?
Because of cognitive dissonance. Only the brave and noble western warriors of light are allowed to act in such way. Fucking dirty evil soviet hordes by definition are forbidden to defend themselves.
legendary
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February 28, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
#41
I'll ignore your assumption that a defeated country whose capital is taken over by the enemy ceases to exist and just state the facts.
You'd better read what I said instead of deducing my assumptions.

What I said is that the state seizes to exist if there is no government at all! The government of Poland didn't go out of the capital to the eastern part of the country. They were evacuated to London. You can't expect a foreign neighboring country to remain neutral. Of course the Red army will move in to create a buffer zone if the Polish government deserted from their duties.

When Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938 some regions of this country in the same time were occupied by Polish troops. Poland invaded and annexed Zaolzie territory part of Southern Slovakia. Why would you expect one year later in a similar situation the Soviets to act differently?
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February 28, 2015, 06:21:09 PM
#40
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."

I doubt that, at least the degree being claimed. But it doesn't matter really. They had the right, there is nothing to talk about, period. In fact, Germany got off cheaply.
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February 28, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
#39
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Block are prospering?


for girls extraction yes. the design depends on the aim. when you know the designers desires, you know his aim, the design he uses. 101. toasted.

No they are not, that is the point of the video which I think you better watch again. The former communist countries were prospering when they were with Russia. Now, however, they are just slaves to Europe and the WEST!
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February 28, 2015, 05:14:43 PM
#38
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.
Actually this is a myth created by US propaganda. USSR didn't attack Poland because there was no Polish state anymore when they entered this territory. Polish army was defeated by the Germans and government of Poland was already evacuated in London when the Red army entered Poland!

You're wrong. I'll ignore your assumption that a defeated country whose capital is taken over by the enemy ceases to exist and just state the facts.  At the time of the Soviet attack, Polish forces were still fighting and the German army had yet to reach the Eastern part of the country. There were still whole battalions stationed at the Eastern border. Those soldiers were attacked and defeated by the soviets, although they fought until the end. If you want to know the details read about Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kock_(1939), where Polish soldiers fought and finally defeated the German XIV Motorised Corps, forcing them to retreat, but had to give up after being surrounded by both Germans and Soviets. This was on the 6th of October, 3 weeks after the Soviet aggression, when according to you there was no longer any Poland.

Also, the Soviets were helping the Nazi since September 1st, by giving them intel and helping their bombers find the targets.
Another thing worth mentioning is the fact that the Soviet forces were two times bigger than those of the Germans. They mobilized 600 thousand troops and 4700 tanks, so it was an all out assault.


My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Well, the soviet army really left a big mess behind. E.g. my country spent a couple of billions of dollars on decontaminating former soviet bases. Mostly fuel and oil contamination in the ground water, but on the abandoned training grounds we found thousands of unexploded ammunition pieces, huge amounts of buried batteries and such stuff. All of the buildings (many of them historical buildings) what they seized were quite a bit run-down after they went home. So yes, they really left some serious crap behind. On the contrary when the americans used one of our airfields during the Iraq war they left everything clean, nice and tidy.

Exactly. There were constant problems with the discipline of Soviet soldiers. They loved to drink, start fights and rape women, although most of these incidents were covered up.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
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February 28, 2015, 01:39:25 PM
#37
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.
Actually this is a myth created by US propaganda. USSR didn't attack Poland because there was no Polish state anymore when they entered this territory. Polish army was defeated by the Germans and government of Poland was already evacuated in London when the Red army entered Poland!
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February 28, 2015, 01:25:35 PM
#36
My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Well, the soviet army really left a big mess behind. E.g. my country spent a couple of billions of dollars on decontaminating former soviet bases. Mostly fuel and oil contamination in the ground water, but on the abandoned training grounds we found thousands of unexploded ammunition pieces, huge amounts of buried batteries and such stuff. All of the buildings (many of them historical buildings) what they seized were quite a bit run-down after they went home. So yes, they really left some serious crap behind. On the contrary when the americans used one of our airfields during the Iraq war they left everything clean, nice and tidy.
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February 28, 2015, 12:41:22 PM
#35
For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...

...during the Russian Civil War. Beginning in February 1946, the Red Army, along with the Soviet Navy, embodied the main component of the Soviet Armed Forces; taking the official name "The Soviet Army" (Russian: Coвeтcкaя Apмия (CA)/Sovetskaya Armija), until its dissolution in December 1991.
Soviet Army and Red Army all the same, unless I fail to see the difference here.

I read your article, you have an interesting view, but getting back to what you said above...

There were busy with a lot of things at the time, for example building monuments (http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/02/27/soviet-army-monument-banned-from-returning-to-warsaw-street) and renaming streets. They were changing school programs to teach Russian language and their own version of history, in which many Polish war heroes of the interwar period were banned. They were also establishing Security Service formed to resemble NKVD (the agents were even taught by Soviet agents) with the purpose of finding and removing nationalists and anyone opposing the new order.
I could go on and on about the good things the Russians (oh, sorry, Soviets) brought us and all the good memories they left behind when they left in 93.
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February 28, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
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I did. There's a museum in my country in which some files that the soviets didn't take with them when they felt that USSR was ending remain. I saw the photocopied files.
Sadly, I have relatives and close friends of those relatives that would say different. Some were more fortunate and were just interrogated and let go, others got to experience the conditions that "wasn't royal". They just used different words to describe that. Regarding the statistics, I base my opinions on what most of the world has agreed upon. Not sure what kind of statistics you base yours.
Wow, that means that I can't change your mind. Because, you know, I've heard a lot of bad things about Stalin's time and even cases when people was arrested or killed because of literally nothing, but I do not trust him cuz I still didn't see any of files and have no friends/relatives who can proove fact about gulags. So, since that I think it's clear that you have a great reason to believe in all that bad things about Stalin and I have a nice reason to disagree with you. Not because you or me are brainwashed, but because we saw a literally diffrenet proofs before. But it was a nice to talk to you.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.
Yeah, that is what people call propaganda. Nobody going to tell you in UK that they support Hitler at the beginning but they will tell you about Gulag. Why Russians can't do the same? So, you can see our propaganda without pacted with hitler but with a lot of good memories insead of it. Have a nice time watching!

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...
Nice add! Thanks you!

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?
I see what you did here Cheesy
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February 28, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
#33
My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Looks like it's the recent history rewriting talking again. Western powers bombed cities (Dresten, Rotterdam). Soviet Soldiers liberated cities on the ground, surgically removing nazis and living the buildings as much intact as possible (the reason Krakow, Budapest are as they were before the war). But now it's all turned upside down.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

I see he also goes with the tune of USSR divided Poland. And again fails to see the bigger picture. Zoom out and look Eastwards. At that moment Soviet Union was at war in the East, fighting Japanese forces in Mongolia. Japan wanted Germany to open a second front, which would have overstretched Soviet military. The German/Soviet non-aggression pact was a brilliant bit of diplomacy, which allowed USSR to complete its defence in the East, before concentrating on the Western threat. Poland was, alas, a playing bit in this pact. Alternative, however, was USSR opening a second front, fighting Germany as well as Japan and losing. In that case Poland would have come under German control for good, and as per Hitler's plans there would be no Poles to speak of. Have you thought about such outcome, bitgeek?
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February 28, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
#32
Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.

Its funny how video is showing Russia like its something amazing, i dont know what that will accomplish, since the world can draw conclusions by them selves, and this looks like North Korea brainwashing, excluding all bad, and just providing the possitive sides.
Anways, noone cares. In the end its like theyre sending this to Obama, i think this was his reaction :



They hate us coz they aint us ? xaxaxa
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February 28, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
#31
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?


No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

Don't you worry about my math.

As long as you keep your figures accurate.

Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?
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February 28, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
#30
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?


No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.


Don't you worry about my math.
Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...
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February 28, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
#29
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?


No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.


Don't you worry about my math.
Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

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February 28, 2015, 11:04:06 AM
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if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

I was trying to point out the opposite...

I know. here is why. you know reddit is toxic (censored), by going there providing your energy, you support and maintain a toxic structure. Do you want to build a toxic structure, furthermore that you don't control? meaning that even if you waste your energy in this toxic structure it can be taken at the whimp of one of the overlord? nooo. would be a bad choice in my opinion. How do you justify the contrary?
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February 28, 2015, 11:01:59 AM
#27

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

I was trying to point out the opposite...
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February 28, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
#26

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

Parts of Reddit are dead for me as well... But I haven't lost faith completely yet. I'm mad at the moderation of certain subreddits, the admins are pretty cool though. They protect small and controversial communities. I posted this link to show that not everyone gets the message from this video well. /r/europe is far from being dominated by Americans like most of Reddit is. Yet we see most of the Europeans in there agreeing that this video is vicious propaganda.

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.
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February 28, 2015, 10:55:24 AM
#25

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

Parts of Reddit are dead for me as well... But I haven't lost faith completely yet. I'm mad at the moderation of certain subreddits, the admins are pretty cool though. They protect small and controversial communities. I posted this link to show that not everyone gets the message from this video well. /r/europe is far from being dominated by Americans like most of Reddit is. Yet we see most of the Europeans in there agreeing that this video is vicious propaganda.
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February 28, 2015, 10:55:20 AM
#24
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?


No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.
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February 28, 2015, 10:48:41 AM
#23
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?


No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.
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February 28, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
#22

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.
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February 28, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
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Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Block are prospering?


for girls extraction yes. the design depends on the aim. when you know the designers desires, you know his aim, the design he uses. 101. toasted.
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February 28, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
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Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.

Realpolitik.

That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Block are prospering?
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February 28, 2015, 10:37:57 AM
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mprep has forgotten how to think, poor mprep . mprep  does not have own opinion, only copy and paste from wikipedia  Cheesy

because it's their drill... learn what is in the book to reshit what is in the book, if they do that good they get point from a man too stupid (the teacher) to know that all what he already learned himself has been framed by people so much smarter than him and his students that they can't even grasp such level of intelligence, and will safely call it a conspiracy theory that it could be so. Good for them, they feel safer. WS.

More men in jail for drugs = more daughters, gf, wife available for the sex state, let's face it, it's monkey way, create fear, usurp authority, exploits. No way to manage an Army, Russian Size. Furthermore if you look they focus on past and long gone Russia, maybe they should speak about what happen 1000 ad.

Why? Looking forward, toward a peacefull, prosperous, harmonious and stable Russia would mean what for their little project of exploitation worldwide? bad. Happily in Russia there is a certain experiences on the way to manage Military Affairs, it was evidently too costly, but quite a grinder...

America needs to apply the "shock doctrine" on it's on soil, even if the lead was Hillary, it's just a nice little pretapping roofing style... MMMOOOOAARRR WS LOVES BLOOD. And so I as everyone in WS was told that you can just pay a bitch and get her do what you want, including destroying the food supply of the nation !?! what the fuck? Do you really believe to be able to plan anything but raids from there? LLLoooLLL idealists don't understand the street.

And the street doesn't care. IN GOD WE TRUST.
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February 28, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
#17
Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.
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February 28, 2015, 10:17:38 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards?

The USA is a police state. But not in the sense of a form of government which "exercises power arbitrarily through the police" (though this is debatable per se). It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public. New Orleans as the most obvious example in real life and The Purge in fiction.
I do agree that the US has problems with their police facilities, as in mainly solving issues with brutality. However, that's what elections, protests and demonstrations are for, to remind the government that you are still in charge. US has to be careful in maintaining order due to the amount of cultures, religions and customs clashing with one another.

If the control was lax, the society would fracture into either religious, political or national groups ruling over regions where there are most inhabitants fitting their selected ideology. However, let's keep the discussion on-topic and discuss the issues with the US government in a thread meant for said discussion

Why did you write this? No one here discusses "the issues with the US government" in isolation. Your remark is actually more off-topic here than the part it refers to.
I mentioned this to remind everyone so that it wouldn't end up in a discussion that I described.
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February 28, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
#15
How do you know? Did you saw their probable causes? Did you saw the files of prisoners? Who tell you that?
I did. There's a museum in my country in which some files that the soviets didn't take with them when they felt that USSR was ending remain. I saw the photocopied files.

And one more thing. You can believe it or you can ignore it. I do not care. I live in Russia and no one from my big family (mom's parents have like gazillion kids, brothers and sisters and father's too) no one was sitting in the prison or camp. In fact, my great-grandad was a kulak (people like to tell that Stalin arrested all kulaks), my grandad was religious man and had a bad thoughts about Jospeh Vessarionovich. And they say that they didn't heard anything about Gulags or Camps until the 90s and so-called freedom of speech. I think that is the best example of how "Bad-bad Stalin surpression".
Guess they were either smart to keep their mouths shut or lucky enough not to have been friends with KGB agents. However, many weren't so lucky.

Funny fact, but the largest anti-soviet liar (Alexandr Solzhenitcyn) was sponsored by USA and printed in... YMCA. Great, right? Tell me more about financed propaganda =)
Might be. USSR was an enemy of the US - it would be more than logocal for them to sponsor those that oppose it. I'm not saying the US is a completely innocent, I'm saying that USSR was ruled by a totalitarian regime that disproved freedom of speech and thought.

You can base on facts when you really saw them. You can base on facts, when you have a right statistics. You can base on facts, when you was in the same situation. I mean that of course there were camps and gulags in USSR. Of course there were a people inside and I can agree that sometimes conditions wasn't royal (like in US correctional facilities lol). But it wasn't as big as you may think. And it wasn't so bloody. Nobody will arrest you just because you think different. People were arrested because of money, power and law-crossing. That's what I believe.
Sadly, I have relatives and close friends of those relatives that would say different. Some were more fortunate and were just interrogated and let go, others got to experience the conditions that "wasn't royal". They just used different words to describe that. Regarding the statistics, I base my opinions on what most of the world has agreed upon. Not sure what kind of statistics you base yours.

That is what I'm talking about! I agree with you and with your opinion about strong hand. I'm just sick of people who call Russia's strong hand as totalitarian gulag system.
I'm not talking nor was I talking about Russia's current government. I was talking about USSR.
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February 28, 2015, 09:45:58 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards?

The USA is a police state. But not in the sense of a form of government which "exercises power arbitrarily through the police" (though this is debatable per se). It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public. New Orleans as the most obvious example in real life and The Purge in fiction.
I do agree that the US has problems with their police facilities, as in mainly solving issues with brutality. However, that's what elections, protests and demonstrations are for, to remind the government that you are still in charge. US has to be careful in maintaining order due to the amount of cultures, religions and customs clashing with one another.

If the control was lax, the society would fracture into either religious, political or national groups ruling over regions where there are most inhabitants fitting their selected ideology. However, let's keep the discussion on-topic and discuss the issues with the US government in a thread meant for said discussion

Why did you write this? No one here discusses "the issues with the US government" in isolation. Your remark is actually more off-topic here than the part it refers to.
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for thinking other than what the Soviet party thought is quite different.
How do you know? Did you saw their probable causes? Did you saw the files of prisoners? Who tell you that?

And one more thing. You can believe it or you can ignore it. I do not care. I live in Russia and no one from my big family (mom's parents have like gazillion kids, brothers and sisters and father's too) no one was sitting in the prison or camp. In fact, my great-grandad was a kulak (people like to tell that Stalin arrested all kulaks), my grandad was religious man and had a bad thoughts about Jospeh Vessarionovich. And they say that they didn't heard anything about Gulags or Camps until the 90s and so-called freedom of speech. I think that is the best example of how "Bad-bad Stalin surpression".

well financed propaganda.
Funny fact, but the largest anti-soviet liar (Alexandr Solzhenitcyn) was sponsored by USA and printed in... YMCA. Great, right? Tell me more about financed propaganda =)

I just choose to base it on facts
You can base on facts when you really saw them. You can base on facts, when you have a right statistics. You can base on facts, when you was in the same situation. I mean that of course there were camps and gulags in USSR. Of course there were a people inside and I can agree that sometimes conditions wasn't royal (like in US correctional facilities lol). But it wasn't as big as you may think. And it wasn't so bloody. Nobody will arrest you just because you think different. People were arrested because of money, power and law-crossing. That's what I believe.
 
It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public.
That is what I'm talking about! I agree with you and with your opinion about strong hand. I'm just sick of people who call Russia's strong hand as totalitarian gulag system.
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February 28, 2015, 09:18:07 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards?

The USA is a police state. But not in the sense of a form of government which "exercises power arbitrarily through the police" (though this is debatable per se). It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public. New Orleans as the most obvious example in real life and The Purge in fiction.
I do agree that the US has problems with their police facilities, as in mainly solving issues with brutality. However, that's what elections, protests and demonstrations are for, to remind the government that you are still in charge. US has to be careful in maintaining order due to the amount of cultures, religions and customs clashing with one another.

If the control was lax, the society would fracture into either religious, political or national groups ruling over regions where there are most inhabitants fitting their selected ideology. However, let's keep the discussion on-topic and discuss the issues with the US government in a thread meant for said discussion
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February 28, 2015, 09:10:50 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards?

The USA is a police state. But not in the sense of a form of government which "exercises power arbitrarily through the police" (though this is debatable per se). It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public. New Orleans as the most obvious example in real life and The Purge in fiction.
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February 28, 2015, 08:43:41 AM
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In this current turmoil I think Russia is right, so I can imagine you guys might be pissed of because of the western media barrage, but to be frank this video is bullshit. It's about the same as telling that the activities of nazi Germany been really beneficial for everyone because of that was an age of rapid scientific, technological, and social development, employment rate was almost 100%, businesses were thrieving across the globe, but not mentioning the price.

But yes, we all know that WW2 was the greatest thing since the sliced bread because of it made possible for many poor lads to go and see the world and meet interesting new ppl without paying a single cent Smiley.
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February 28, 2015, 08:33:59 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards?  

establishing and running labor camps where many deported citizens where living in unbearble conditions
Correctional facilities was invented not by communists. Also why you didn't mentioned trusty system? Or the conditions of prisoners in US was bearable? Don't kidding me.

mprep has forgotten how to think, poor mprep . mprep  does not have own opinion, only copy and paste from wikipedia  Cheesy
I do have my opinion. I just choose to base it on facts recognised by most intelligent people in the world rather than on a logic of a few lunatics, unable to realise what atrocities USSR comitted, especially to the occupied countries.
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February 28, 2015, 08:24:37 AM
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mprep has forgotten how to think, poor mprep . mprep  does not have own opinion, only copy and paste from wikipedia  Cheesy
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February 28, 2015, 08:15:44 AM
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They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards? 

establishing and running labor camps where many deported citizens where living in unbearble conditions
Correctional facilities was invented not by communists. Also why you didn't mentioned trusty system? Or the conditions of prisoners in US was bearable? Don't kidding me.
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February 28, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
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More pro-USSR propaganda. Mentioning the "good effects" of the merchandise made that most of the countries inhabitants never saw because most of it was then sent back to Russia (as in Russian SFSR). They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge), mass deportations and killings sanctioned by the USSR leader that many still have nostalgia about (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Purges_and_deportations), establishing and running labor camps where many deported citizens were living in unbearble conditions (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Forced_labor). You can try sticking your head in the sand all you want but the rest, whose heads are above the ground, won't believe your bullshit.
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February 28, 2015, 07:48:20 AM
#5
Lol, tipical "vatnik" style video. Paid by kremlin.
Lol, typical ungrounded comment. Provided by haters Cheesy

You see them rollin. You hatin.
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February 28, 2015, 07:34:49 AM
#4
Lol, tipical "vatnik" style video. Paid by kremlin.
Lol, typical ungrounded comment. Provided by haters Cheesy
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February 28, 2015, 07:30:22 AM
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Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.

Lol, tipical "vatnik" style video. Paid by kremlin.
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February 28, 2015, 06:35:10 AM
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cool  Cool
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#1
Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.
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