Topic: I'm seriously concerned about the money being stuffed down the vaccine toilet. (Read 373 times)

i know 2 people that had it..
but even if i said 'your free of the virus because jetcash' they still would have got sick

while jetcash has been crying for a while now about how much money.. he has shown 100% lack of actually researching the cost.

UK can vaccinate 35million people with all the R&D costs for under £50m
lets call it £1.20 per vaccination cost to taxpayer worse case

well he probably fills up his camper van with petrol at say £20 a week
of which £4 is VAT
of which £8 is fuel duty

so that £12 tax from just one week of car fuel can cover all the costs of 10 people a week
if he has just one coffee a day for 7 days. thats £7. 5% vat. thats 35p
thats just about another person a month

41people get a vaccine just from his coffee trips a month.
246people for the 6 months he has been visiting morrisons to get on wifi and cludge this forum
and it hasnt cost him a single penny more then he would usually spend

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the rest of his spending (income tax/national insurance, VAT on bills, Vat on groceries and other stuff) can pay for other things.

but i hope he realises that the small spend of just a coffee a day plus the fuel to get him there. well thats helping 246 people for just the last 6 months of his ranty chants on this forum
246.. yes jetcash 246 people will get to have a vaccination just from your coffee/wifi habit

You cannot "convince" a virus that it does not exist. As of now, 4 members of my direct family have had the virus. I tried to convince them that it was not possible, but they were somehow not into it.

money for vaccine research is only the same amount of money for a 2 week circuitbreak lockdown for only birmingham UK.

the funny thing is the oxford vaccine is actually making money from america. yep UK benefiting from vaccine research.

oops. wait.. now i get it.. your in the UK but your one of them weird people that think your deep down american and you are pretending that american things affect you.
now its starting to explain things where you keep thinking that big pharma profits on people. you keep forgetting how the UK health system works

maybe oneday you will take your MAGA hat off and remember that your british. but that day is only a possibility when you stop reading american conspiracy sites

more money is wasted trying to commercialise battered marsbars in retail shops and guess what. they didnt last long.
so if you wanna cry about wasting money for corporate products. i can name many

I agree, but so much money has been squandered on research that will never produce a beneficial product, that the governments have to justify it. This means that they have to implement restrictions and demands that reduce the building of immunity, and extend the recovery period for those who have problems as a result of infection. If they can ramp up these results then maybe they will try to mandate vaccination to move more of the public's money into the coffers of the Pharma companies.

Pretty sure we're at the point where being concerned about vaccine research and development is the last thing to do.

What we really should consider is how lockdown affects the economy.

they are not doing the lab experiment of human studies/bio markers..
they are just making the chemicals needed to make the vials of vaccine

kodak is known for its chemical activation manufacturing process. they know what chemicals react with what

things like a oil found in animals and plants that when combined with a certain molecule binds to a certain receptor known to be used by the immune system.

this kind of oil is natural and makes the vaccine target being absorbed into the immune system thus be more efficient to get the immune to respond to the vaccine rather then wait around

kodak know chemistry and know how to get supplies of chemicals.

so when astra zenika say they need a certain oil. kodak can supply it in bulk

kodak has been making medical ingredients for years. but they are not making the final vaccine compound.. thats for places like astra zenika johnson & johnson and GSK

How is it possible that kodak and fuji are making vaccines? A company that has known to be a photography business now getting involved in making vaccines? I did not get the point but no way a government will going to support a vaccine which coul not be reliable as a cure for covid19. If camera companies are now switching their inventions to making vaccines and if found out their vaccines are reliablr then that would be better. But if it will goes wrong then good luck to the US government or the official that has been making it to happen wasting money of the poeple will be more an issue compared to covid19 vaccine.

just to add more slaps to jetcash's lack of research and understanding

based on 35million working aged(tax payers) in the UK
the oxford vaccine phase one equates to 5pence per tax payer cost for trial
the oxford vaccine phase two equates to 12p per tax payer

then its 12p a tax payer per 'cluster' of phase 3. which is not that many multiples because other countries are also doing their own 'cluster' of phase 3.

so in essence. it costs a tax payer well under £1 for all 3 phases of vaccine trials

have a nice day

What a damage the coronavirus have done for the world. We have become so confused that we can't tell the difference between our left from our right or where to place our priorities. It's so obvious. Governments of nations, institutes, organizations have spent more in trying to provide solution for this pandemic but all efforts seem to be laid bare. It's obvious the we are yet to receive the heat from this supplux out of budget spending once we get to start living with this thing which most of us are already doing and it almost feel like, there is no Covid19 amongst us no more.
Evolution has always been known to take care of situations like this if what science tells us is really through so, let's learn to live with it in respect to it's guidelines and hope for the best. Perhaps in time our bodies would emerge natural immunity towards this pandemic coupled with the available researchers done to even better it.
Mr. Trump was declared not to be contagious by the white houses data, what's the trick?
What's the rest of the world missing or not getting?
The whole pandemic thing still remains a course of wonder!

Don't you worry, money is never stuffed down... a few investors and some other actors will benefit from your taxes in the worst-case scenario

Hey! it is still better than spending it on war or massive surveillance.

what jetcash doesnt realise is that governments can easily write off their own debt or convert to a new currency and then just make old currency and thus old debt contracts measured in old currency. obsolete.

yep governments can create a law with 'newpounds' where for 5 months its swapped 1:1
and then at month 6 after giving everyone a chance to have converted.. make it
 that 5 nowpounds are worth 5,000,0000,000 old pounds and make the debt of the whole last 15 years become the price of a 32" TV. because old debt contracts are measured and contracted to repay in old debt currency

so the world will not collapse if there is 'government debt'.
writing off debt can hurt UK's 'credit rating with world bank.. so at very worse they can be pushed out of world credit. well if you dont want debt anymore then you wont want to be in a world credit scheme. then you just create your own pounds without giving a crap about the world credit

so relax your little head. dont worry about UK pound economy.

fiat is not real, so why would you be "seriously concerned" that some imaginary money is changing hands out there? Could it be possibly used more effectively in pursuit of a vaccine? Sure, but that doesn't seem what you are saying.

Fiat isn't a zero-sum game like BTC is. Isn't that why many of us came to crytpo-land in the first place? You seem to be forgetting that basic fact. You can waste fiat on vaccines, endless war, and still have enough to build infrastructure. That we don't build it (in the US) is because politically we don't demand it, not because we can't magic some more trillions into exist via J Powell.

im really concerned about the time being wasted stuffing nonsense into jetcashes head.

if only he spend less time on conspiracy site. he would have soo much spare time to find facts

But they are the ones that aren't becoming ill, and if they aren't ill, they can't spread the Kung 'flu virus, so their friends and progeny are not going to be sick. The whole point of Bill Gates vaccine programme is to make people ill, and thus reduce the population.

The best thing about negationists is that they will eventually exclude themselves from humanity´s gene pool.

RE gays and other, I am not saying there´s anything wrong with that. It is just that most individuals tend to procreate in couples or in extended families until children reach certain age, and that there are biological reasons for that choice.

and before 200AD (before the bible) people existed
and yet they were lots of happy gays/bisexuals
after 200AD they had to come up with new ways to prevent disease so they made up camp fire stories about some magic man that heals all illnesses if you follow his rules or get smited by illness/death if you dont

kinda funny how christianity is now ok about gays and condoms right at the same few years HIV and STI medication became easily available

If there was ever a good way of spending money, that has been trying to find a reasonably effective vaccine for COVID. It is fine if you would rather not have it yourself, but there are millions who will and you will get the freeride.


There is a biological reason why there are two progenitors.

no. humans created the ancient lawbook known as the bible. but wrote it into nice camp fire stories that are rememberable and have some moral story attached to explain why.
if humans just wanted procreation then rapes would not be treated as a bad thing. sex outside of marriage would be acceptable too

humans created these rules to create a civilisation. but because previous religions where people followed actual humans proclaiming to be gods (egyptians) this time the rule makers made up a 'god' that no one can see or question or rebel against so that the human rule makers cant be attacked because 'dont kill the messenger' and instead to treat the messenger well by feeding them clothing them and giving them anything they ask for..
kinda funny how many people have not figured this out

take bitcoin. mystery man making something great that cant be attacked gets success in something that lasts
another person that makes an altcoin gets constant abuse and attacks

but anyway
its not about just procreation. its about survival of the species by staying away from things that can lead to harm

  lol but I have a different view to why the bible frowns at gay marriage.

1. Because it doesn't lead to procreation. Meaning a man can not impregnate a follow man by ejaculation, neither would a woman be able to do so too.

2. God created all animal in male and female for purpose of procreation and sexual satisfaction.

3. It is immoral and not biblical because in creation, God created male and female and mandated them to be fruitful. Genesis 1: 27-28

LOL...you are funny 

Don't you think Kodak and FujiFilm pay their employees who go out and spend that money in the community?

actually they did

when someone with warts gave it to someone else and they were on their genitals.. it kinda reveals how it was passed.
same with 'crabs'

when they have 'coldsores' (herpies) on their mouth but no one else eating the same diet has it then its not the food. but then finding out that person gives blowjobs to loophole the non penetrative sex clause. then they again find out its genital transmitted

also when gay roman soldiers mingled amungst many people but only had sex with particular guys. the could work out thats its not transmitted through handshakes if only the sexual partners got it

yes back then they knew about diseases and said to follow 'gods' rules to avoid diseases
when calling those who have random sex, unclean. not treating body like a temple, impure
who wil be 'smitted' by disease and death.. well thats saying in modern language. have random unprotected sex and youll get an STD
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i know you might think that 2000 years ago people were cave dwellers
but did you know that math, writing and even alot of civilised stuff existed
not just making pyramids or colosseums but also having things like bars, hotels, barns, houses. heck they even had a census

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now think how to implement a government rule with punishment/concequence but without having civilians riot/revolt against the government.
pretend a ghost that no one can see or touch made the rule and the 'government' are just the messengers.
and boom instant laws without the riots/revolts. cant attack what you cant see

here endeth thy history lesson

They wouldn't have known that STIs spread by sex back then...   

The immune system is like a muscle - the more you use it, the stronger it gets.  Vaccines exercise the immune system. 

our immune system is better now than before
100 years ago people actually died of measles. now they dont
average life expectancy has increased from 35 to 75.
yep we were not healither 100 years ago
instead 100 years ago we relied on religion and respect to just avoid risks.
for instance. no sex until marraige to avoid STI's and HIV
(oops did you not know the bible abolished gays and marriage outside of wedlock purely due to STI epidemics)
people had hankerchiefs on them all the time. it was not for decoration. it was for purpose. same with wearing gloves the victorian era loved wearing gloves
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(oops did you not realise the practical use of hankerchiefs and gloves 100+ years ago)


anyway
its not a thing of a vaccine turns off the immune system or dampens it.
it actually trains the immune system to recognise and handle the infection without the dangerous part of a multiplying virus that bursts cells open and causes damage/harm

a few people feel that the lack of cells bursting open means that its not triggering 'secondary' immune response which is to send in the 'tanks' that blast infected cells with macrophages and cause cell death as the last resort
but this secondary response. is what causes damage and death.
by having the immune system trained safely, the first defense immune response can do its job. people can then recover/get over it before cell damage.
meaning before symptoms or with low grade symptoms.

vaccines do not dampen the immune system
vaccines do not kill the second stage macrophages. they dont deconstruct the factory that makes the macrophages. they just win the battle before calling in the macrophages.
its still there its just not called into action because people are getting better and the battle is won on the first round

thinking that people should go through the macrophage stage is stupidly a scheme of wanting people to get cell damage and long term harm and suffer.
thats not even logical or practical or even good advice.

the best advice is to get low dose infected or getting a vaccine or avoiding infection if super high risk.. so by doing so there is not much of a battle to fight and if low dose/vaccinated it trains your frontline troops how to recognise an invasion before it even strikes.

idiots that think people should get sick and have cell damage everytime they are infected by anything are the idiots that want people to die

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people think that a vaccine .. using a computer analogy. is a new antivirus software thats added and changes the hard drive of a computer to then recognise a virus..
no

a vaccine is a copy of a virus. where the destructive command and the copy/paste file command is removed from the virus.
so when you computer does its normal file scan. it recognises a file that should not be there. and learns the filename and certain properties to look out for. so that it can quicksearch it better later

then when the destructive file of same filename/properties gets on the system. the computer already knows what to look out for and handles it before its had chance to fully download

a vaccine does not put its own antivirus program to replace the built in antivirus program
it just tells the preexisting natural antivirus software on the system what to look outfor

a vaccine does not destroy the recyclebin or the defrag or the or the restore point.
yes you may notice the recycle bin is empty more often. you may notice you dont have to defrag as much and you dont have to restore pc as much.. this is a good thing

The world is so much focusing on advance pharmaceutical medicine, leaving traditional ones aside. In the past were strong immunity, the immune system were stronger than today. Normally microorganisms that were mutating and dangerous were still fought potently by the body immune system in the past unlike now,  our immunity is likely to have reduced than before. There are many other things to consider like the modern era emitted smokes and gases, the food we intake, and many other things.

The world governments should also focus on traditional medicine, and also try to tell population how to avoid what can reduce immunity, instead of only focusing on advanced pharmaceutical medicine.

1. its a loan not a grant(but yea they can declare bankruptcy maybe later on)
2. kodak are not making vaccines.

3. funny how you think that this LOAN money is needed fr small businesses. when small businesses have had access to loans since march

4. funny how you care less about health and care more about business/economy.
sounds like you are a tax loving conservative that doesnt want money spent on healthcare and instead handed to business owners.

is your current mindset the same mindset you had since a few years ago. or one thats been spoonfed to you by the conspiracy sites that pretend to be all about caring/health. while instead sounding more capitalist eugenic in their preferences
EG this is what you sound like
if your healthy go lick a sick person and get sick, dont go to a doctor for any treatment, instead buy stock in some random business to boost the economy and then pay your taxes for the benefit of the businesses

The news seemed to have caused the spike in the stocks of Kodak as it experienced an over 200% surge over the last couple of days;


There are also rumours of a leak before the news was made public and insider trading going on, some of that was discussed on this Reddit post
What's also odd is it was reported that were contracted to produce pharmaceutical ingredients including hydroxychloroquine; a drug whose potency has been disputed for so long.

It seems that the US is about to give many millions of dollars to camera companies like Kodak and FujiFilm to manufacture useless vaccines. It seems almost impossible that there wil ever be a safe vaccine, and certainly not one that is superior to natural immunity. The vaccine industry has become a money toilet, and, whilst some of the money may be aerosolised  and find its way to the people, most of it will join the brown trout in the banking sewage system. This money is desperately needed to repair damaged infrastructure, and restore small businesses to increase employment.

The resources being soaked up by the banking virus sideline, are being taken from mainstream research projects such as cancer, heart disease and insulin resistance.

How can we stop the mania, and try to rebuild our economies for the good of the people.