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January 25, 2024, 03:34:04 AM
#64
Checking and double checking the Seed phrase is an important part of ensuring the safety of cryptocurrency ownership; very often, due to inattention, you can simply write down the wrong word order in a notebook or on a piece of paper, and this will lead to a big problem and loss of assets in the future.
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January 24, 2024, 05:18:40 PM
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A very good observation Op I think it takes someone who has made this particular mistake to understand the importance of double checking your seed phrase even after writing it down for proper confirmation.
I did not need to have my property robbed to be afraid of leaving my door unlocked.  Either they are very irresponsible or they do not care unless it affects them.
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January 24, 2024, 04:28:53 PM
#62
Another thing: Check your seed's integrity. At least once a few months. Create backups. There are far more chances you screw things up than some random dude compromising your seed phrase. It has not happened to me, but I'd absolutely not want to be the guy who found out his text was erased from a flood, or a heavy storm.

It is a good reminder to take this shit seriously, because we're all alone in this. There is no recovery service.
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January 24, 2024, 04:13:09 PM
#61
Usually I screenshot the phrase because to check and re-enter it we just open the image and retype it, use a laptop or desktop to make it easier and save it on my hard disk and laptop. Actually, this depends on how each person works, just be careful and save it and don't link your wallet to suspicious sites. It is important to always check your address or seed phrase regularly.
This is one of the WORST ways to keep your Seed.  Do not link your Wallet to suspicious websites but have a Screenshot of your Seed?  This sounds like a HUGE disaster waiting to happen.

Practice better Seed storage methods.  Bots scrapping text off images are a thing.  Try writing a post on a popular Internet forum like Reddit containing a digital game code.  It will become redeemed in seconds.  Not because humans redeem it.  Because bots do.

There was a time when people started changing a few digits to *s and #s and you had to read the title to find out what to replace them with.  Some kind of a game which was also against bots.  I imagine these scripts are now much better and faster than that.  Chat GPT can give you very well composed answers in seconds.  It can now read images and all too.  All it takes is you accidentally upload the image on some Server that gets compromised at one point in the future.  Or you get a virus that does just that.  Scans your images to find codes, Seed phrases et cetera.

Keep your Seed safe.  Please.  We do not need one more thread of some body who is desperate to find who stole their Bitcoin.
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January 24, 2024, 02:42:10 PM
#60
Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.
Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
I have also been a victim of this before and I almost cried because everything I was inputting to get my account back was never working for me. I tried different means, I used different words maybe it's going to help me to get it correct but I could not. I had to leave and go to bed in excruciating pains because I had tried everything I needed to do. I had to go back to try inputting the seed phrase after some weeks my mind had settled down. I finally got it correct after hundreds of trying.
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January 24, 2024, 02:24:37 PM
#59
Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
This is a good reminder, perhaps this is trivial for many people, but it is important for the security of our wallets in the future. To be honest, I always do what you say every time I create a new wallet by writing a seed phrase and saving it. After that, I restored the wallet again and entered the seed phrase that had been saved. This is to ensure that the phrases we store are truly valid.

Because the seed phrase is very fatal if entered incorrectly, even if you write the wrong lower or upper case letter, we will fail to access our wallet. So it's true, as you said, it's better to check twice or three times before saving a seed phrase, especially in a wallet that we keep for the long term or the main wallet, of course we really need to be careful and thorough.
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January 24, 2024, 12:28:35 PM
#58
Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.


A very good observation Op I think it takes someone who has made this particular mistake to understand the importance of double checking your seed phrase even after writing it down for proper confirmation. The last time I made this mistake was the day I tried to screenshot the words so that I can write them down when am less busy but guess what, it was unable to screenshot and out of curiosity I almost made the mistake but thank God I checked it again if not i would have ended up making this mistake so kudos to op for bringing this up here.
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January 23, 2024, 05:24:09 PM
#57
Usually I screenshot the phrase because to check and re-enter it we just open the image and retype it, use a laptop or desktop to make it easier and save it on my hard disk and laptop. Actually, this depends on how each person works, just be careful and save it and don't link your wallet to suspicious sites. It is important to always check your address or seed phrase regularly.

This is actually a bad procedure. You make digital copies of your mnemonic recovery words, store them on your likely online devices and if they become infected by malware, your mnemonic recovery words can be stolen. You can't be 100% sure to avoid an infection.

When you create a wallet and your mnemonic recovery words are displayed, write them down on a piece of paper, number every word by its position, write down the reason for this wallet and the creation date, write down the derivation path used. Your offline, analog backup is 100% not reachable for malware, period!
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January 23, 2024, 02:26:01 AM
#56
Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
Usually I screenshot the phrase because to check and re-enter it we just open the image and retype it, use a laptop or desktop to make it easier and save it on my hard disk and laptop. Actually, this depends on how each person works, just be careful and save it and don't link your wallet to suspicious sites. It is important to always check your address or seed phrase regularly.
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January 22, 2024, 10:49:29 PM
#55
Absolutely, safeguarding our crypto assets starts with being meticulous. The seed is like our key to re-access our wallet if something goes wrong, so we must handle it with utmost care. Yet, it's not just about the seeds; every transaction demands extra caution. Double-checking the destination wallet address, verifying links to avoid phishing, and ensuring the correct asset amount are essential steps. In the crypto space, there's no room for recklessness. Being thorough in these small but crucial details ensures a safer journey in handling digital assets, minimizing the risk of unexpected mishaps or losses. Stay cautious, it's the crypto way.
That's actually the truth about it. Bitcoin is too important or should I said precious to be wrongly transferred to an unknown direction. Bitcoin is limited in supply and should be handled with care. Always double check the information before performing some certain task. In crypto currency whatever money that loss can never be replaced or reproduced so let be guided in other not to make silly mistakes.
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January 22, 2024, 09:44:58 PM
#54
Especially when it comes to managing our own wallet information. Seed phrases need to be kept very secure. Repeated observations should be made in writing down the seed phrases. So that there is no mistake. Because these seed phrases will be useful when recovering your wallet. So that you don't have to be in danger, you have to watch and save
You only can be sure that you already made a good, accurate and usable backup if you test that backup for wallet recovery.

Use the backup to recover your wallet, then compare the recovered wallet with your initial wallet. If receiving address, transaction history are the same between initial and recovered wallets, your backups are good to use.

Always check backup's validity before funding your wallet.
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January 22, 2024, 02:53:45 PM
#53
Giving caution to the highest offenders , especially when it comes to cryptocurrencies , is crucial to who we are as a resource. Especially when it comes to managing our own wallet information. Seed phrases need to be kept very secure. Repeated observations should be made in writing down the seed phrases. So that there is no mistake. Because these seed phrases will be useful when recovering your wallet. So that you don't have to be in danger, you have to watch and save. So that cryptocurrency users can create a safe environment.
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January 14, 2024, 06:27:08 PM
#52
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The thing is, you can't easily make a non-digital backup of private keys. Writing them down is error prone even for a single key and you don't want to do that for multiple private keys which a Bitcoin wallet usually uses. This is completely out of question.

If you export unencrypted private keys, you need a safe offline working environment. It's not enough to turn off any internet connection of an otherwise online device and then assume it's safe to handle private keys while it is offline when you later make this device online again.
Don't assume your daily driver you do all your internet shit with to be safe. Internet browsers are not safe software, they're too complex.

The more you use a modern Bitcoin wallet, the more private keys and addresses have been and are in use usually. Exporting the correct private keys for your current coins becomes a tedious and error prone process. Simply don't do that, it's usually not necessary if you have a properly redundant analog backup of your wallet's mnemonic recovery words and derivation path used by your wallet. A separate redundant backup of the optional mnemonic passphrase is required if you use that for your wallet, too.

I strongly advise to practice a full wallet recovery as if you need to do it in case of a desaster. You will only then be able to verify if you can actually recover your wallet properly. How often did people get excited when they created their wallet or bought a hardware wallet. They couldn't wait to setup a new wallet, transfer some coins to it and that's it. And when later some issues showed up for whatever reason, they struggled with recovery.
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January 14, 2024, 10:56:17 AM
#51
Even with the private key, if a letter is accidentally capitalized or in lowercase or if an extra or missing character is present, it will cause a big problem.
I know that with HD wallets, nowadays nobody backs up the private keys to their different addresses, because the seed phrase is enough to generate everything. But i just want to add that if you lose your seed phrase and your wallet file is not in any of your devices, but you have the private key to the address hodling your funds, you can use it to import that address into a wallet and spend your funds, but don't depend on that, back up your seed phrase securely and have 2-3 copies of it in different places.
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January 13, 2024, 05:36:34 AM
#50
Great advice, you never want to go without making sure that one day if the wallet is lost or not accessible, you can restore it and your coins.
Your method is great and should be good to go. One more thing, you also need to make sure that you have never stored your seed on Internet.
If it's on Internet, it's not safe. A hacker might wait months just to scam you.
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January 13, 2024, 05:30:48 AM
#49

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

this is a good method. but you should first complete the wallet creation and note down the wallet address too. then you can repeat the process to verify the seed. because sometimes even you enter a different word (with a similarity) in the wallet, it'll still open a wallet but then the address will be new. that's why it is always good to note down the address too.
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January 13, 2024, 04:30:37 AM
#48


I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
Thank you for this important information, it is very important to crosscheck seed phrase when we open a new wallet, if a person makes a mistake it will be very costly, you don't know when you will need to import your wallet and if there is any mistake in the spelling of even one phrase or miss the order of the phrases maybe number 1 goes to number 2, then the coins in the wallet can not be recovered again. I have heard about people who can not send their coins again because of the mistake that is associated with seed phrase, either they lost it or they did not crosscheck it very well when they opened the wallet.
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January 12, 2024, 07:51:02 PM
#47
After backing up the seed phase, you should not only write it down, but in this case, you must re-download and install the wallet and check whether the wallet is correct with seedback phases. Inadvertently after writing wrong Seed phase if after depositing Cryptos without checking if the wallet shows wrong Seed phase then nothing can be done but carelessly neglecting the security of the wallet will result in huge losses. So after downloading and installing the wallet we must  Security seed phase of the wallet should be written in the notebook and download and reinstall the wallet again to check the seed phase of the wallet.
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January 12, 2024, 07:27:39 PM
#46
This is truly important advice, and many may overlook it when creating a new wallet and depositing coins they plan to hold for the long term. Making a mistake in writing a word from the seed phrases or arranging them in the wrong order is equivalent to losing the wallet and the assets within it. Even with the private key, if a letter is accidentally capitalized or in lowercase or if an extra or missing character is present, it will cause a big problem.

I have not encountered this issue since I started in this field because, after creating a new wallet, I save the recovery phrases in a secure place. Then, I check them by restoring and reopening the wallet using these phrases to ensure that I can smoothly access my wallet and see my assets without facing any problems if I'm absent for long periods. The additional password to open the wallet is not a problem such as the seed phrases and the private key. In case of forgetting the password, the wallet can be reinstalled, and after restoring the wallet, you can set a new password.

Thank you, OP, and I hope that no one rushes after creating a new wallet and avoids being lazy, as it only takes a few minutes.
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January 12, 2024, 06:55:31 PM
#45
I agree with PG, I've done that with my wallets especially with the hardware wallet that I own. I have tested it if it will actually recover with that the same one that I've written down, it's just so important to check it out since you'll be dependent on it as per recovery or when you try to sweep that wallet. Now, those that have missed it could check it on your own and check your seed phrases if they're going to work but much better to check everything else and details so you won't accidentally erase everything entirely.
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January 12, 2024, 05:48:07 PM
#44
I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.
Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
jezzzz!!! I've never thought of this dude - there's never been a time it occured to me.. though I know for sure that I'll definitely be in hot soup assuming those words are misspelt or written in a wrong form...I didn't even think there's a way to get over it though... Thanks for the information.

mhennnn.... I'll definitely need to be careful this time around (maybe I need to crosscheck?)?... Right. I'm just wondering how worrisome it might look when you try to import to another wallet and it's telling you something as annoying as - "wrong seed" ..and dammmmnnn it!!! You've got like 5btcsss??? Huh?.

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January 12, 2024, 05:17:44 PM
#43
   Cross-checking your seed before sending is very important because much attention and carefulness is paramount during transactions, checking your seed twice gives you assurances of what you have done in other to avoid mistake and in every transaction we make ,we need extra caution in other to avoid phishing,delay or even get lost .  Since our seeds are very important to us
Lol, why do you have to check your seed phrase backup before making a transaction, if you have to double check anything before making a transaction, it is the address that you are sending funds to. Keep your keys/wallet in an offline device or in a hardware wallet and keep your seed phrase backup in a very safe location and you don't have anything to worry about, neither do you have to check it every other day.
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January 12, 2024, 02:49:04 PM
#42
   Cross-checking your seed before sending is very important because much attention and carefulness is paramount during transactions, checking your seed twice gives you assurances of what you have done in other to avoid mistake and in every transaction we make ,we need extra caution in other to avoid phishing,delay or even get lost .  Since our seeds are very important to us
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January 11, 2024, 11:50:35 PM
#41
Absolutely, safeguarding our crypto assets starts with being meticulous. The seed is like our key to re-access our wallet if something goes wrong, so we must handle it with utmost care. Yet, it's not just about the seeds; every transaction demands extra caution. Double-checking the destination wallet address, verifying links to avoid phishing, and ensuring the correct asset amount are essential steps. In the crypto space, there's no room for recklessness. Being thorough in these small but crucial details ensures a safer journey in handling digital assets, minimizing the risk of unexpected mishaps or losses. Stay cautious, it's the crypto way.
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January 11, 2024, 07:52:30 PM
#40
Not just twice, but you should do it a lot of times. Remember if you mistakenly write your seed phrase, even with just a single digit is missing, you will never access your own wallet. So it’s really a must to keep checking the correct spelling or order of your seed phrase so that the contents of your wallet will not be compromised. Otherwise, if you are just too confident that its already fine and you tend to be more lazy than being cautious, then you will also have to pay the price in the long run, that is losing all your coins or funds in your wallet.
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January 11, 2024, 07:10:31 PM
#39
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Coinomi uses standard BIP39 mnemonic recovery words. The wordlist is fixed, so misspelling a word should be not so difficult to spot. There shouldn't be many alternative similar words.

If the order of the words is wrong then always also the BIP39 checksum will be wrong. Checksum will also be wrong if just one word is exchanged for a very similar one. But if all words are correct but just their order is wrong AND it's a 12 words mnemonic backup, then finding the correct order of words is computationally doable, even if you don't have hefty cracking gear.

If you write down mnemonic recovery words, attach the sequence number of every word to it on your physical backup, so you can't mess up with row and column order. Write down date and reason of creation of this wallet's backup. Write down the software used and best also the derivation path of the wallet. If you use more than the derivation path's default account, document the purpose of each account.
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January 10, 2024, 03:14:58 AM
#38

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.

Thanks for this reminder, someone might not fully understand the gravity of what you're saying until they perhaps experience the ugly feeling of helplessness in a simple mistake of misspell or not arranging in the right order. I've had an experience with a coinomi wallet, I was trying to restore the seed phrase and it kept telling me about misspell error, and there is nothing I can do about it till this day and the Bitcoin in it is probably lost for ever. So I painfully understand what it means to double or three times crosscheck seed phrase to avoid not accessing your wallet, in the case of compromise, loses, or theft of phone.
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January 07, 2024, 06:02:23 AM
#37
This isn't even enough: you should check if the seed creates the same address again.
Why though?

I would never even try to copy an Address from a Seed that I have not backed up properly.  To me the verification part of my paper is part of a proper backup.  No point in writing down a Seed that may be wrong by a human mistake.

LoyceV is right here, don't ask me how I know, you can write the correct seed, but you can also make a mistake in writing down the address. I had a similar mistake, luckily it didn't cost me, but since then I've been making a seed&addy backup image, and I delete it only after checking, usually on another browser or even another computer.
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January 07, 2024, 05:44:12 AM
#36
I read the "holy fire" as a joke and I liked it. The important message is that no traces should be left on that computer on which you fiddle around with unprotected mnemonic recovery words or private keys. Running a Live Linux solely in RAM which stays offline should be enough. At the end of your session when you shut down or turn off the computer is kind of a virtual holy fire for the bits in RAM. Grin
On a more serious note: I'd never use a wireless keyboard to enter any password or seed phrase!
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What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.

I have several issues with this procedure and this is why:
  • Taking a picture with a mobile phone likely exposes the picture to some cloud storage, like Google Photos, Apple iCloud, any app on your phone that fiddles with your picture gallery on your phone. Are you 100% sure your picture is only local on your phone? I doubt you can. If your mnemonic recovery words land in a cloud: how can you be sure, no human or robot can mess with them (OCR is a thing; picture cloud storage offers various fancy stuff to extract text from pictures, that's no rocket science).
  • Rephrasing the words could be a good recipe for later problems and loss. It highly depends if you're able to remember to revert the rephrasing. People are different, but human memory is in most cases not very persistant, unless you regularly train, memorize, verify it thoroughly! For verification you likely need a physical backup you can 100% rely on. The latter makes memorising somewhat obsolete.


I can't imagine how you can paraphrase 12, or even 24 words, and carry it all in your head. Probably, this person should have a phenomenal memory and confidence that nothing will ever happen to him. Although, can we know what awaits us even in an hour?
How often do we meet people who invent ways to store their seed phrases that are so stupid, and they subsequently suffer from their inventions? Everything simple has already been invented a long time ago; there is no need to go crazy.

Would be almost my words, except that without medical issues, I'd say with proper method anybody can memorize 12 or even 24 mnemonic recovery words. You would have to train your memory regularly and verify your memory also regularly. For reliable verification you would need a proper physical backup. This physical backup on the other hand makes memorization in human brain rather obsolete.

If you only rely on your human brain as storage: this is a recipe for later desaster and loss of your wallet. Don't do this.


(of course running offline, air-gapped, running a Live Linux DVD from RAM, with the curtains closed on a computer that I'll burn in holy fire afterwards)
You are taking the definition of extreme paranoia to a completely different level.  Not that I do not like it though, the more precaution the fewer the worries.
Obviously I don't have holy fire, but indeed, peace of mind is the main point.

I read the "holy fire" as a joke and I liked it. The important message is that no traces should be left on that computer on which you fiddle around with unprotected mnemonic recovery words or private keys. Running a Live Linux solely in RAM which stays offline should be enough. At the end of your session when you shut down or turn off the computer is kind of a virtual holy fire for the bits in RAM. Grin
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January 06, 2024, 01:58:04 PM
#34
This isn't even enough: you should check if the seed creates the same address again.
Why though?
I like to be thorough, it prevents making a mistake when you enter the seed. Let's say you created Seed A, and wrote down Seed A. You wiped and restored the wallet, but when you entered it, you typed a wrong word. Murphy's Law made it a valid seed. Now you have a working wallet, but your seed backup doesn't match. That's exactly the scenario you tried to avoid.
If you would have written down the first address created by the wallet after it first produced that seed, you would have caught this mistake.

(of course running offline, air-gapped, running a Live Linux DVD from RAM, with the curtains closed on a computer that I'll burn in holy fire afterwards)
You are taking the definition of extreme paranoia to a completely different level.  Not that I do not like it though, the more precaution the fewer the worries.
Obviously I don't have holy fire, but indeed, peace of mind is the main point.
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January 06, 2024, 12:27:43 PM
#33
This isn't even enough: you should check if the seed creates the same address again.
Why though?

I would never even try to copy an Address from a Seed that I have not backed up properly.  To me the verification part of my paper is part of a proper backup.  No point in writing down a Seed that may be wrong by a human mistake.

Since the Seed will not be used at all before I restore, the worst thing that could go wrong is I wrote an invalid Seed in which case I have to redo the entire process or I just restored a valid Seed that I some how managed to mistakenly create by my own mistype.

Is there a risk I am missing on?  I suppose it is that you are afraid the mistype will significantly reduce the security of the Seed?

(of course running offline, air-gapped, running a Live Linux DVD from RAM, with the curtains closed on a computer that I'll burn in holy fire afterwards)
You are taking the definition of extreme paranoia to a completely different level.  Not that I do not like it though, the more precaution the fewer the worries.
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January 06, 2024, 07:10:43 AM
#32
When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.
When I create a fresh wallet and I'm copying out the passphrase, I'm always mindful of word spellings. You know the word, "colour" isn't spelt that way by American. It's "color" for them. That difference can lock one out of one's wallet if a single word isn't put in its right place, either by spelling or sequence. I'm always meticulous whenever I'm downloading or registering stuff online. I put every other thing on hold until I'm done. That way, I haven't been a victim. That's my little secret.
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January 05, 2024, 07:09:39 PM
#31
I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
It would have been a hard to believe thing that someone could write his or her seed in the wrong other. I get it that, people could write things in the wrong order but when it comes to seeds, it’s something that I don’t see to be a common occurrence.
Why is that?
By the default, it’s a standard procedure that your seed be entered in its right order or sequence. This follows, a procedure that would have necessitate your writing down of the seed during wallet creation and a strict warning on importance to privacy.
Should you have followed the instructions and written down the seed as they are given, the sequence would be okay. I’m an event where the seed happens to be wrong, chances are, you might just have an empty wallet and could go about creating a new one.
Still, it’s not a bad advice to give these means to safety and privacy some extra care.
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January 05, 2024, 05:25:26 PM
#30
This is an important note, because one can never be too careful. I could only imagine the horror one would be faced with when he or she found that she actually made mistake in writing his seed phrase  😱😱. That's why I always check thoroughly so that I won't be a victim of my own mistake, I have heard stories of actually losing their Bitcoin in their wallet all in the sake of no way to actually recover the seed phrase to the wallet and sometimes it actually made me wonder if actually there is no way around such situation at all🤔🤔.
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January 05, 2024, 05:23:09 PM
#29
Not only twice but even a lot of times. Your seed phrase is your main entrance to your wallet, if one is missing, you will definitely not access your account. If you can create a back up for your seed phrase, then it would be much better so it will be more safe and secured.

Also, keep your seed phrase privately and never try to disclose it even to the closest around you. Once you break this, then you can never have your wallet anymore as there could be someone who's already accessing it and steal all your funds.
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January 05, 2024, 05:10:59 PM
#28
This is a simple and yet very important reminders for people who wanted to or prefer to jot down their seed phrase in a paper than saving it on a notepad.  Although I don't use this method (manual writing on a paper) since I am using electrum, I can copy it on a notepad and print it on a paper if I wanted to save a back up of the seed phrase outside my computer.
I don't understand why you would want to go through this hassle, just generate your seed phrase and write it down on paper, your seed phrase should not be written in your notepad or stored somewhere in your computer.
Aside from that I always get the private key of the address I used for receiving and then import it to just have a solo address for receiving(this is to prevent remaining BTC to be sent to other address when transacting part of the BTC held on that address).  This way I have two options in recovering the address, one is through the seed phrase and the other one is through the private key.
Using one address only is not good for your privacy and there is no need to back up a private key belonging to one of your addresses. You are somewhat complicating things imo, just do it the "simple" way, back up your seed phrase which can generate all the addresses in your wallet and keep the backup very safe.
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January 05, 2024, 04:21:52 PM
#27
Thanks for this advice. Normally, I take my time to look at each word carefully as I write them down on a piece of paper and so far I've never had any issue. Your approach is the best and it'd safe one from making a costly mistake. Imagine stacking Bitcoin in your wallet, and unfortunately you lost your device and you wanted to import your seed phrase into another device, only to discover that you made a mistake during backup. Damn! It'd be too painful.
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January 05, 2024, 02:21:29 PM
#26

You're correct on the seed phrases getting exposed to the internet later but it's dependent on the kind of camera with which is being used to capture the seed phrases because not all camera gives the phone access to store files deleted on cloud and if it doesn't involve a camera that stores trashes for some interval of time before it gets exposed to cloud how will it be exposed and besides not all phones automatically stores photos on cloud.

That could be phones but normally all the phones this days actually are a risk apart from the cloud there are other apps that collects informations like this but you can’t be too sure, once a phone has actually been connected before to the internet then it is at risk. This is part of the reason why wallets blocks taking screenshots of seed phrase. The best thing still remains retyping it just like electrum does.


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I've done more important things, even passwords by rephrasing them for so many years now and believe me my brain captures exactly how I manipulated everything and I've never gotten any mixed up in the course of me rephrasing some important things that I don't want anyone to understand except me though your advice is welcomed. I know the reason why you assume it to be a bad culture because of if it involves a long time that I might forget how I rearranged everything but trust me I'm very good at remembering how I manipulated anything that's of importance to me even in the long run.


Ever heard of an accident that causes Amnesia? Accidents are unpredictable just like death, so no matter how sound you think your brain is it is bad to actually depend totally on it. Don’t be too confident on your remembering ability. Backup your seed offline in the correct order and add a passphrase.
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January 05, 2024, 01:47:48 PM
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Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.

This is a simple and yet very important reminders for people who wanted to or prefer to jot down their seed phrase in a paper than saving it on a notepad.  Although I don't use this method (manual writing on a paper) since I am using electrum, I can copy it on a notepad and print it on a paper if I wanted to save a back up of the seed phrase outside my computer.  Aside from that I always get the private key of the address I used for receiving and then import it to just have a solo address for receiving(this is to prevent remaining BTC to be sent to other address when transacting part of the BTC held on that address).  This way I have two options in recovering the address, one is through the seed phrase and the other one is through the private key.

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January 05, 2024, 01:02:05 PM
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What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.

Firstly taking a shot of that seed phrase is a bad because it can get exposed to the internet later, yes you might be using the phone offline at that time and later delete it but do you know that the deleted file will be save in your trash and later the deleted image will be exposed to cloud where most phones automatically store your photos?

You're correct on the seed phrases getting exposed to the internet later but it's dependent on the kind of camera with which is being used to capture the seed phrases because not all camera gives the phone access to store files deleted on cloud and if it doesn't involve a camera that stores trashes for some interval of time before it gets exposed to cloud how will it be exposed and besides not all phones automatically stores photos on cloud.


Also rephrasing your seed phrase or even arranging them in any other order can be a security risk because you trust your head to remember how you got them arranged or rephrased and this can be mixed up later as it is bad culture to rely on your head to always remember things like this.

I've done more important things, even passwords by rephrasing them for so many years now and believe me my brain captures exactly how I manipulated everything and I've never gotten any mixed up in the course of me rephrasing some important things that I don't want anyone to understand except me though your advice is welcomed. I know the reason why you assume it to be a bad culture because of if it involves a long time that I might forget how I rearranged everything but trust me I'm very good at remembering how I manipulated anything that's of importance to me even in the long run.

What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.
Zaguru12 has corrected this already. It is not good to take the screenshot of your seed phrase. Just use a good wallet like Electrum and make your backup offline. Do not also rephrase your seed phrase, you can just extend it with passphrase. With passphrase, the wallet will generate different keys and addresses. Anyone that will need to access the wallet needs the passphrase. Backup your seed phrase and passphrase differently in different locations. Having like two or three backups each.

Though I don't do screenshots but however, I concur to your advice of running an offline backup on electrum of which I use electrum wallet and extending it with passphrase in other to generate different keys and addresses is also a welcome idea and I must say thank you for the advice.
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January 05, 2024, 10:33:53 AM
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The seedphrase is as important just like the money you have in the wallet and it should be treated very well because if their is anything wrong with the seedphrase it is impossible to have access to the asset in the wallet.  It is good to cross check the seed phrase very well after copying it down. it is necessary to check if their was any error in spelling or wrong position of the 12 word of the seedphrase. Most of us are so fast in collecting our seed phrase without giving it much attention.
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January 05, 2024, 10:23:10 AM
#22
In my daily routine, I always check my account's security, updates, notifications etc. just to make sure all things are safe now, even small details that you can overlook will now risk your information or even the asset.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Those days we want to make sure our wallets are safe we think of shuffling the words but let's be true most of us don't have the full capability to remember the things we made after weeks or months so i guess this idea could ruin yourself. I guess not only the seed but also the device we are using even though we say it's safe its different if you have another layer of security on it to prevent getting compromised most likely with the hot wallets, but if you are in cold wallets, natural occurrence is most likely your enemy.
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January 05, 2024, 10:21:33 AM
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Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
It's like you actually saw what happened to me  Grin because I have faced this kind of situation and just like you stated it, I even wrote the phrase down but didn't do a back check to confirm if the words are correct enough although at the first import of the phrase, I actually was minimizing my phone and checking the phrase I wrote on keypad and inputting it to the space on the wallet and after the wallet was successful created I wrote it down but unknown to me that the words I wrote down were not in the same order(spelling) and later found this out when I actually changed my device to which my wallet was and in puting the phrase to this new device the error of wrong phrase keep popping and believe it was like a nightmare I wouldn't want to relive so I tried changing some of words and luckily for me, it was a misspelled word that was the case for my own.

so doing a double check on seed phrase is something that worth it, you never can tell what error you might have made #dontbelazy
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January 05, 2024, 09:56:32 AM
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I haven't faced such an issue, and I know many of you will say that you haven't had such an issue in your entire crypto life. There are some reasons behind it; maybe you were too careful with the seed phrase. There could be another reason, but it would be terrible to be true. Perhaps you have taken snapshots of your seed phrases or copied and pasted them digitally, which is not recommended.

I am saying this because I am the one who used to do these stupid things, and I believe I have a lot of friends like this who do the same thing. FYI, I stopped it doing it. Even though this is not any kind of guide, but it was a good reminder for everyone.
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The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.
Very valuable instructions. In this way, I believe the risk of writing the wrong wallet phrase will be greatly avoided. So far I have only focused on writing wallet phrases, without checking whether the code is correct or not. Maybe most investors have the same habits as me.

However, after knowing this method, it seems that I and members who read this post will no longer hesitate to create a new wallet. Things that seem trivial and rarely done, but are actually very important to do.
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January 05, 2024, 09:25:44 AM
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Thank you  for this tips. If one have not had this experience, one would not be able to understand the value of this thread you have created. Many people have made this silly mistake and it cost them their assets and funds which they could not recover till today.

I almost made this mistake sometimes last year and lucky enough I noticed the error in  one word of my key which was very hidden so I had to effect the correction. Immediately that I don't lose my assets in the course of saving it.

Checking your seed phrase twice helps alot because you never can tell if you have wrongly spelt a word possibly you interchanged a particular as alphabet that could not be noticeable while in a haste to save and begin using the wallet. Thanks to OP for this awareness.
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January 05, 2024, 07:27:44 AM
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Most wallets I've used require you to retype the seed again before you can generate addresses,  if the wallet does not ask you to do that, it is better not to use it. errors in the seeds are unlikely as long as you write the words in the correct order, as the words used are common compared to keeping the private key, which requires that it be created and written digitally, but prevention is better than cure and checking the wallet several times is better than regretting not doing so in the future.
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The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.
This isn't even enough: you should check if the seed creates the same address again.

I prefer to test the seed with a different application. So when I setup a hardware wallet, I import the seed into Ian Coleman's software (of course running offline, air-gapped, running a Live Linux DVD from RAM, with the curtains closed on a computer that I'll burn in holy fire afterwards), and see if I can reproduce the same address by different means. It's a lot of work, but being thorough gives peace of mind.

What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone
This turns a hot wallet into an even hotter wallet. You're basically doubling the malware risk.
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January 05, 2024, 05:01:56 AM
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Maybe if the seed phrase is generated by one self? New crypto wallets today will tell you to verify after writing down your recovery seed, you will instantly know that you have the wrong words when you are going through verification.

So your recovery seed can't be messed up unless you later change the words yourself, but why would you? If you are the type that still generates recovery seed using paper wallet style then you are the one that need to be extremely careful, not someone who generate a new wallet using Electrum or Trust wallet, because verification of those words is what will follow.
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I can't imagine how you can paraphrase 12, or even 24 words, and carry it all in your head. Probably, this person should have a phenomenal memory and confidence that nothing will ever happen to him. Although, can we know what awaits us even in an hour?
How often do we meet people who invent ways to store their seed phrases that are so stupid, and they subsequently suffer from their inventions? Everything simple has already been invented a long time ago; there is no need to go crazy.
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I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.
That is why I like wallet like Electrum. After the wallet has generated you the seed phrase, you still have to input it using the virtual keyboard that Electrum will display. That is enough to know that the seed phrase that you wrote down on a paper for backup is correct and not wrong. Some wallet do it in the lazy way. It is good to verify and make sure the seed phrase are correct. I have done the mistake on Electum but I was able to know after I was unable to fully setup the wallet

What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.
Zaguru12 has corrected this already. It is not good to take the screenshot of your seed phrase. Just use a good wallet like Electrum and make your backup offline. Do not also rephrase your seed phrase, you can just extend it with passphrase. With passphrase, the wallet will generate different keys and addresses. Anyone that will need to access the wallet needs the passphrase. Backup your seed phrase and passphrase differently in different locations. Having like two or three backups each.
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#12
Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.

That's the kind of trouble you don't think about until it happens to you. Not the same case, but I have had a few problems with wrong passwords that took me several days also to solve, which is also a very frustrating situation.

I always check twice (at least) the digits of the addresses before sending any amount to them, but it is true that I don't give it as much importance as the seed, which is even more important in reality because that's what all the funds in the wallet depend on.

Next time I create a new wallet I'll do it the way the OP suggests: note down the phrase and recover from it. If there is any problem with the recovery, then forget about the seed and create a new one. Much better to realise it before sending any funds, that's clear.
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January 05, 2024, 02:16:10 AM
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What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.

Firstly taking a shot of that seed phrase is a bad because it can get exposed to the internet later, yes you might be using the phone offline at that time and later delete it but do you know that the deleted file will be save in your trash and later the deleted image will be exposed to cloud where most phones automatically store your photos?

Also rephrasing your seed phrase or even arranging them in any other order can be a security risk because you trust your head to remember how you got them arranged or rephrased and this can be mixed up later as it is bad culture to rely on your head to always remember things like this. You can just simply add passphrase to that seed phrase and store the passphrase somewhere else, this way even if someone gets access to the seed phrase without the added passphrase they can restore or recover your exact wallet
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January 05, 2024, 02:09:08 AM
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There are innumerable ways to safekeeping our keys and making sure they are in their correct check. On every new wallet I create  I normally write down my seed phrase on a paper note I dedicate for just that purpose (seed phrases only) and I make sure to use a pen with an indelible inking so it doesn't fade off with time. While writing it down I do number each of the phrase in their order just to avoid mix up and confusion thereafter.

It is the closing and relaunching of the wallet using the seed phrase immediately after it's creation is what I know I have never consider doing but borrowing from the Op I will have to add this in my list of procedures in my wallet seed phrase compilation and confirmation to ensure its a genuinely working seeds.
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#9
What people need to pay attention is don't intentionally forget or delete your old wallet seeds, you or someone might unintentionally send coins to your old address.
Yes this is true but we ought to keep the previous keys with cautiousness of were its been stored to avoid others from signing signatures with it and using it maliciously

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Though I have not been affected by this but I will stick to this because I recently created a new wallet which I later forgot the password to my amusement and then I just the wallet cleared data on my device and input my seed phrase and thankfully it was a password not passphrase and so I was able to access my wallet.
Then  I ask my self this question, imagine if it was a passphrase, then the wallet is gone. I guess others who also forgot their password or passphrase never expected to forget such password /passphrase.
My advice on this would be when you creating a password or passphrase on your wallet or anything relating to finance use something that is really secure and you have use before don't just randomly try something new on them
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January 05, 2024, 12:57:06 AM
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What I normally do whenever I create a new seed is to snap it with another phone because I don't like stories that touches the heart as most times I normally create new seeds for several purposes so am always very careful with it. After snapping it then I write it down in my diary book and check very very carefully before I delete it from the phone though what I normally do most times is to rephrase the whole words in case someone incidentally gets access to my diary book and sees it so that's the safe way I normally do in other to protect my seeds.
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January 05, 2024, 12:00:40 AM
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The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.
This is the practical solution, without need to worry if you mistakenly wrote the seed.

AFAIK most of wallets asking you to input the 12-24 words to confirm if you've save your seed phrase and they also give a warning message if seed phrase is really important and don't lose it. So I guess with a common sense, people nowadays won't lose their seeds.

What people need to pay attention is don't intentionally forget or delete your old wallet seeds, you or someone might unintentionally send coins to your old address.
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January 04, 2024, 11:57:31 PM
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This is a good reminder. Even me if I ever created a new wallet I always likr 3 to 5 times checked every details on it cause in case something happened and your wallet got compromise with the device and you wanted to transfer it to new, youll need those keys again and if only one got gone wrong then the funds are dead for good so always make sure its complete and secure. This is one thing many have not yet taken importance.
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January 04, 2024, 11:57:16 PM
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Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
Seed phrase are more critical than the physical wallet. If you lose your seed phrase, lose access to your coins. Whether you are using options like stainless steel or titanium plates it is important that you check again when you write it down. In fact when doing this, it shouldn't be at a time when in the day when you are most distracted. It could be in the early hours of the morning or late hours of the night when your mind is more relaxed and your eyes are clear.
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January 04, 2024, 11:42:56 PM
#4
This is a great precautionary step, it's always better to be safe than sorry, especially when it comes to securing our assets. This is a powerful reminder for all of us to be diligent in this critical step of cryptocurrency management. This might seem like an extra step but can save a lot of trouble in the long run.
I haven't experienced making mistakes yet in copying and writing down the seed phrases of my wallet. This serves as a reminder not to be complacent and to always double-check every detail to ensure that we won't encounter any problems when restoring our wallet accounts.
Thanks for sharing your insights and helping others avoid potential pitfalls, stay secure.

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January 04, 2024, 11:16:04 PM
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The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.
Thanks for this perfect clue. It truly gives one the real idea of how it will look like when one have to restore the wallet. In this process, if the restore option failed as a result of wrong seed phrase, one can just abandon the wallet and create a new one since there is no fund inside.  

I think some wallet will allow you enter the see phrase before they complete the wallet creation process. This is akin to your suggestion as well and eliminates the mistake of writing down the wrong seed phrase.

Nevertheless,  it is actually good to double check everything and sometimes triple check because our eyes and brain can trick us into assuming words. For instance, one can will be given the word 'waste' as part of the seed phrase but end up writing the word 'waist'. So being extremely careful when creating a wallet is indeed a necessity.
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January 04, 2024, 11:09:08 PM
#2
Make a wallet seed backup.
Test the backup by using it to recover the wallet.
If the backup works for recovery, it's usable. You don't make mistakes with your backups.

How to back up a seed phrase

It's better to have correct and usable backup but if you already make mistakes, you can try
The FinderOuter, a bitcoin recovery tool
https://github.com/Coding-Enthusiast/FinderOuter
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#1
Unless you have been a victim of writing the wrong word of a Seed down or the incorrect order of it, you do not know how frustrating and desperate such a mistake can make you feel.

When creating a new Seed, always double check its validity.  Not only by writing it down and double checking it with your own eyes.  To me, even if the Wallet checks two or three words, it means nothing.  There could always be an error and I try to minimize it.

The way I do it is as soon as I write down the Seed, I close the Wallet, then re launch it and use the Restore option.  Enter the Seed from the paper I just wrote and go from there.

I wrote words in the wrong order before and at first glance it looked right.  Next time I had to restore my Seed from my paper, it said it was wrong.  I got desperate for days, until I tried to swap the word with the previous and luckily it did work for me.

Check your Seed twice.  Do not be lazy.
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