In addition to Bitcoin (BTC) and Satoshi (Sat) I like to propose Nakamoto (Nak)

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Quote from: kryptqnick on January 20, 2023, 06:11:28 AM

As others have mentioned, there are already many units in use, so there doesn't seem to be a need for another one. Also, IMO, the more we have, the trickier it gets in conversations with people and online. I focus on BTC and am comfortable with numbers like 0.02, 0.005, 0.0003. I just count the zeros after the dot and before the number. I'm also okay with mBTC, more or less. But when someone says an amount in thousands or tens of thousands of Satoshis, I don't have an immediate idea how much that is. And that's talking about the most famous units, while there are others as well.

It does get confusing to use BTC when you're talking about a few sats, say 0.00000023 BTC, whereas 23 sats is so much simpler.

Using those two units is reasonable because their relationship is not covered in any other standard prefix like k, m, g, etc.

BTC, sats, and standard prefixes are all we need in my opinion.

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As others have mentioned, there are already many units in use, so there doesn't seem to be a need for another one. Also, IMO, the more we have, the trickier it gets in conversations with people and online. I focus on BTC and am comfortable with numbers like 0.02, 0.005, 0.0003. I just count the zeros after the dot and before the number. I'm also okay with mBTC, more or less. But when someone says an amount in thousands or tens of thousands of Satoshis, I don't have an immediate idea how much that is. And that's talking about the most famous units, while there are others as well.

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Quote from: davis196 on January 19, 2023, 02:04:36 AM

Calling different amounts of Bitcoin with different names would only confuse the noobs.
I would rather change the name of the Satoshi into Bitcoin. This way most Bitcoiners won't be HODLing several hundreds thousands of satohis. They would be HODLing hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins and the price of something won't be 0.00001 BTC. It will be 100,000 Bitcoins. Grin

The amount of Bitcoin millionaires in the crypto world would increase and everyone would be bragging about having lots of BTC.
Why don't you name parts of Bitcoin to Gavin Andresen. He has a contribution to Bitcoin. We should honor him in some way. Grin

I propose the amount of 1 million Bitcoins to be called one Gavin. Grin

To be honest, I'm pretty sure the terms Bitcoin and Satoshi(sats) are already set in stone.

There were multiple attempts to try different names, and only those two persist until today.

At least I'm happy it's named Bitcoin and not Netcoin...

https://www.financialexpress.com/blockchain/bitcoin-would-have-been-named-as-netcoin-sources-say/2689658/

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Calling different amounts of Bitcoin with different names would only confuse the noobs.
I would rather change the name of the Satoshi into Bitcoin. This way most Bitcoiners won't be HODLing several hundreds thousands of satohis. They would be HODLing hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins and the price of something won't be 0.00001 BTC. It will be 100,000 Bitcoins. Grin

The amount of Bitcoin millionaires in the crypto world would increase and everyone would be bragging about having lots of BTC.
Why don't you name parts of Bitcoin to Gavin Andresen. He has a contribution to Bitcoin. We should honor him in some way. Grin

I propose the amount of 1 million Bitcoins to be called one Gavin. Grin

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Don't make things too complicated. If you prefer to use Nak, you can do that. And if there are people who prefer to use Sat, mBit or whatever, they will choose to use it. Let people choose what they want while you can introduce or tell your idea of what term you want to use to call BITCOIN. It's more about how good we feel using it. I prefer to use 0.00000001 BTC Grin

But common people will not think about that. They will have their own choice how what terms they will say about BITCOIN.

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Yeah, it will make things complicated for us, I mean for beginners, its going to be confusion. Heck, even some of us who have been here in crypto may not understand how many decimal point Sat is.

And then we have BTC as unit and others. As much as we want to honor Satoshi with another unit in his name, I don't think that the majority will be into it. We are already fine with what we have right now, we have established the norm, we don't want to disrupt it.

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Quote from: jossiel on January 18, 2023, 06:10:02 PM

I'll get confuse with all of these milli units for smaller amounts or in decimal amounts of bitcoin. I'm used to tell like 0.001 bitcoin and rarely use satoshis for the smaller units but I've known that when I've started to accumulate for which I've seen in the faucets.

But anyway proposal is welcome as it's for the contribution of what we think is good and easier conversion units.

I think that if it's acceptable in the community and many sees that it's easier to say Nak/s then it'll be popular. Otherwise, everyone will stick to just sats or simply tell decimal amout + "bitcoin".

People are getting confused with these Bitcoin terms on sub-units, adding more terms to the table will more likely add more confusion. I also don't think that there is a need to introduce new terms in the Bitcoin unit system, I believe it is already covered and there is no more need for an additional Bitcoin unit name. As I said adding additional terms will more likely cause confusion.

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I'll get confuse with all of these milli units for smaller amounts or in decimal amounts of bitcoin. I'm used to tell like 0.001 bitcoin and rarely use satoshis for the smaller units but I've known that when I've started to accumulate for which I've seen in the faucets.

But anyway proposal is welcome as it's for the contribution of what we think is good and easier conversion units.

I think that if it's acceptable in the community and many sees that it's easier to say Nak/s then it'll be popular. Otherwise, everyone will stick to just sats or simply tell decimal amout + "bitcoin".

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Quote from: bitcoinore.com on January 12, 2023, 08:53:39 PM

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As Bitcoin gains traction, it will make sense for us to have a unit between Bitcoin and Sats since it will be much easier to say the Price of something is 10 Naks, VS 0.0001 BTC or 10,000 Sats.

Eventually, twenty years from now, everything will be sold in Sats when one BTC equals $10,000,000 USD, but until then, it's an intermediate step.

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If something is 10,000 sats you can say it's 10k sats.

No need to add another name, we have the Metric Prefix

Since Bitcoin has 8 decimal places, having BTC and sats work great.

First 4 decimals have value?, use BTC:

0.1234XXXX would be about 0.1234 BTC

Last 4 decimals have value?, use sats:

0.00001234 would be 1234 sats, or about 1.2k sats

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I like it as an idea it's not bad to have an intermediate unit that facilitates the conversion but why NAK? I remind you that Sats is an abbreviation of Satoshi so it should be the Nakamotos then abbreviated to NAK. So I like how the idea should be put to the vote of the community.

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This makes me laugh lol

There's no any benefit if there's a denomination called as Nakamoto since it's a middle between Bitcoin and Satoshi. Many people are keep discussing to add new denomination that is smaller than Satoshi, because many people believe in the future when Bitcoin price is really high and 1 Satoshi is really expensive, anyone who only have small money can't buy any Satoshi.

So some people think it's good to add new denomination like Mili Satoshi or Micro Satoshi.

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Quote from: Welsh on January 13, 2023, 06:19:48 PM

I find it confusing, especially for new users that might not be familiar with the terms. Saying this to someone that isn't that familiar with Bitcoin, will get you a rather confused reply.

When units become confusion, they can be used to scam newbies.

We can not say newbies are careless, lack of basic knowledge about Bitcoin units so they are deserved to be scammed. Units are created by people, by Bitcoin community and if we can avoid confusion by don't create too many units, less newbies will be scammed.

After Satoshi, Nak units, maybe community will want to have SatNak (SN) unit

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The positive point in Bitcoin is that you can adopt this label and apply it in your software, and if people continue to use it, you may find that everyone started using it as a measure to describe a certain part of Bitcoin, but at the protocol level, there is nothing called these units other than Bitcoin.
The rest of the divisions less than Sat are all based on locked solutions and thus you need to trust in locking code.

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I do agree that there are too many unit names already and there is really no need to find another name. These names all started with some people using it at first, and other places taking it and using it as well, so if you want NAK to be used then you need to promote it to everywhere, or at least have some big name places to use it as well.

However, like I said we do not need it, I agree with others, bitcoin and satoshi is enough for me and I do not feel the need to use anything else, hell do not even use satoshi all that much aside from gambling, so it is clear that it's not going to be a simple thing to convince people using this one at all.

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We already have mBTC as a convenient unit for fractions of Bitcoin that are much larger than satoshi. It's convenient because most of the world (sorry, Americans) are familiar with SI, so people don't have to learn how much 1 mBTC is, everyone knows that "milli" stands for 1/1000. I don't see how any other unit in this category could become more popular than mBTC.

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I don't even use Satoshi's. I just say 0.00001 or 0.01343 rather than using any other names like mbtc etc. I find it confusing, especially for new users that might not be familiar with the terms. Saying this to someone that isn't that familiar with Bitcoin, will get you a rather confused reply.

If you spell out the denomination, there's little that can go wrong really. It doesn't require any special knowledge or being in the know of what everything is being called these days; obviously if they don't listen, then they could mess up how many zeros etc, but there's ways around that also.

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I'm new to the NAK unit because so far I only know a few unit names such as SAT satoshi, this information is quite useful for all beginners, although many may be more familiar with satoshi units because the high price of bitcoin makes people only hold a few satoshi in their wallets they

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Nice effort, but I don't think it's necessary, though. Sats are still a thing and adding more units will only confuse people because we will end up having millinaks, meganaks etc Cheesy

The appearance of stablecoins such as USDT in the crypto-marketplace made the use of sats less popular and less appreciated but in the pre-USDT times, quotation of coin price was done in sats most with the Bitcoin trading pairs

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There is no need for adding one more Bitcoin unit called Nak when we already have a bunch of them, and in my opinion it can only create more confusion with people.
Even with units we have now I myself have to check conversion data to verify if amount is exact when I am checking values for sats and mBTC.
Maybe in future when Bitcoin value is much larger in fiat terms we could use some better and easier system of units, but until then I think this is enough.

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An interesting proposal with a funny name (Nak). I guess when the name for the (Sat) measurement was chosen, (Nak) was one of the options that was rejected. It seems to me that adding one more unit would be superfluous. Traditionally, all currencies use 2 values, for example, the dollar and the penny. Extra units can only confuse people more, especially beginners. So, OP, I expect that your proposal will not get a big response in the bitcoin-community, but anyway, thanks for your initiative and it was curious to know about your idea.

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You'd have to submit a proposal letter to the bitcoin's manager Tongue

Kidding aside, I think you are in the minority here. I mean given how many bitcoin units there is, only 2 or 3 of them is being used on a daily basis. Not to mention that there are still many elderly people who have newly entered the bitcoin space hardly grasp how decimals are divided across many bitcoin units.

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There are already many bitcoin Units.

bitcoin, bitcent cBTC, millibit, mBTC, bit μBTC, finney ,sat and millisatoshi ( for the Lightning Network).

There is no need to create another one.

You can ssee all of them here:

https://bitcoindata.science/bitcoin-units-converter.html

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Well, who knows? When the right time comes. For now, it seems we only need the Bitcoin, the millibitcoin or mBTC, and the Sat or Satoshi. And it seems things are running pretty smoothly with these three units, at least for now.

There might come a time when a different name will be assigned to 10,000 Sats. It remains a possibility. It could be named Naks, who knows?

We have to acknowledge the fact that early on, there was no millisatoshi, and then comes the Lightning Network and it was perfect time for the one hundred billionth of a Bitcoin or one-thousandth of a sat to be called millisatoshi. So, your Naks might come in the future.

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Many units I can not remember and don't use, milliBitcoin, milliSatoshi, Tonal Bitcoin ...
Bitcoin units
MilliSatoshi for Lightning Network
Tonal Bitcoin

Satoshi conversion to USD rate.
https://www.btcsatoshi.com/

Have another unit Nak is not necessary. I won't use it and can not remember it like other units. Two units, Bitcoin and satoshi are enough for me.

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As Bitcoin gains traction, it will make sense for us to have a unit between Bitcoin and Sats since it will be much easier to say the Price of something is 10 Naks, VS 0.0001 BTC or 10,000 Sats.

Eventually, twenty years from now, everything will be sold in Sats when one BTC equals $10,000,000 USD, but until then, it's an intermediate step.

Thoughts?

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