Topic: Incorrect and unjustified deleted messages from 1xbit participants (Read 660 times)

As you can see in the image, I've reported the post to the mod on February 10th and now we are into March 1st, meaning maybe the report was not handled because the mod can't decide if it deserves to be removed. It's possible that the mod has considered the post unworthy of deletion for free speech despite the fact that he has violated the local rules of the thread.

I haven't thought of directing him to this thread via PM or whatever, but maybe he already knows about the matter.

I have no idea who's in that campaign either (and honestly I thought it had ended, given all the bad publicity), but even without that knowledge I would bet my house that those posts were deleted with good cause.  Why?  Because campaigns like 1xbit.com's attract the bottom of the barrel as far as bitcointalk posters go.  It was the same thing when Yobit had its campaigns, and it's the same as every single signature campaign or bounty that accepts members with negative trust, no merits, and/or no checking of post history by the campaign manager.

Any time we get one of these shitty campaigns on the forum, it's like the dead are rising from their graves--long inactive members from the 2017 boom start waking up and applying, and most of them are no doubt part of account farms started before the merit system when you could actually farm accounts with no problem.

Just get over it, OP (and anyone else who wants to bitch).  Nobody ought to be in the 1xbit campaign to begin with.

Yeah, good luck trying to get that to happen.  I share your feelings and have since 2015, but Theymos is kind of an anarchist capitalist and thus lets scams advertise here and does sweet fuck all about all the other scams being perpetrated right here on this forum.  Part of me respects that, because it represents true freedom....but part of me just wants all of these jackoffs banned for life.

How much time has passed since you reported that user's post and does it still show the status 'unresolved'? Maybe the admins are using the same logic as I did with my previous post and they came to the conclusion that even though you have a local rule, those who you are talking about should have the right to defend themselves. hilariousandco usually shares his own takes on the rules in public. Maybe he will say something about this particular case as well. Or you can try to PM him and ask him to comment here for everyone to see. 

I have tried to report it to the moderators because one of them has violated the local rules of my thread, but till now the moderators have not addressed my report about the post. I don't know what is the reason my report is not handled even when that user has violated my thread specific rules. But I have time to wait until the report is handled.

It's probably true that the admin won't know that the user has violated the local rules in the thread if the OP or another user doesn't report the post. Even if the admin knows someone has violated it, I'm sure they won't act if they don't receive a report. Of course it has nothing to do with scam moderation, but the admin can remove the post due to thread local rules.

I agree with you.
Each member of this forum is responsible for this forum, its quality and protection against scam.
We can't expect admins and moderators to be able to see and solve everything.
I understand that many members come to this forum because they are desperate and want to earn something.
Due to their reputation and forum rank, they can't get involved in better paid campaigns, and they don't have enough knowledge and experience to write quality posts.
In that way, the quality of this forum is ruined, which is not good.
If we want a quality and relevant forum, we must fight for it.
No one is forbidden to try to earn something on this forum through certain paid projects, but we must insist on certain standards and rules.
Unfortunately, not every job is for everyone, as in real life. 

Yes, I agree. Getting rid of these scammers from our forum is up to all of us. The issue is no longer whether 1xbit is scamming their players or not, the topic really comes down to their actions and how they affect this community. Evidently, 1xbit hire the worst of the scum for their promotions and ignore all the rules of professional conduct. Disgusting. I understand that at times it can be hard to detect the difference between good and bad on here, but you have to play by the rules of the forum to be a part of this amazing community.

I remember reporting some of the posts on that campaing bullshit. From now on I'm going to take more notice and report as many as I can. Since scams are not moderated, we can do something to fuck them up. If they get a bunch of posts deleted they get paid less.

And it is not surprising that the one who came to complain has been banned for ban evasion. As of today 1xbit campaing participants are the worst of Bitcointalk.

Maybe you misunderstood my post for some sort of support for 1xBit and their promoters. It isn't support. I was trying to say that those wearing their signatures are lucky. They are fortunate because the forum works the way it does and allows them to promote the services of a company who has caused a lot of problems to many players. Scams shouldn't be moderated, they should be banned.

My guess is that the posts would still have to be reported to the admins pointing them to the local rule as well. If no one reports the posts, admins won't delete them unless they come across the thread and decide to check for rule breakers.     

Not many participants of the 1xbit signature campaign complain about why many of their posts are deleted by moderators regardless of whether the posts are reported or not. I think it proves that most of them know the cause and effect of promoting a campaign and I think they weigh the risks too.

I'm sure the mod also won't delete a really quality post even if it's made by the current 1xbit campaign poster. In addition to not moderating fraud, the mod will also be neutral towards reports received so that it is not considered to be beneficial to either party. This is justice that all participants of any campaign get from mods but since most of the 1xbit entrants are only concerned with getting paid without any quality in the post then their posts have been reported for deletion.

Some posts from 1xbit participants are in that thread and it seems the local rules for thread created by _BlackStar are not preventing them from posting. No posts are deleted even though the thread has local rules.

I understand your point of view but there are many similar thread already on that issue but all resulting to the off topic contributions of the accused campaign participants. The thread was created for members outside the campaign to have a discussion about the matter raised without getting spammed so I understand the reason behind the local rule. That the forum doesn't moderate scams doesn't mean the occupant shoudn't as well. Theymos and the administrators are just been free minded, giving the power back to the community just as Bitcoin has, it's left to us to use it well.

If something is causing a nuisance in the community, we stand up against it or we mightn't have a community. We won the world against spammers before, don't see a reason why this one would be a problem. If we join has together to report this spams as we come across them, we would have a strong argument and the administrators will be force to take action and impose a ban on the signature ad.

Actually, he can't. The thread has a local rule which says that participants of the 1xBit campaign can't take part in the discussion. I don't know how serious admins take those rules, but thread starters are allowed to create their own. Personally, I think if you are talking about a certain person, or a group like in this case, those subjects should be allowed to share their point of view. Not that 1xBit participants have a legitimate case. They decided to wear what they are wearing, and that's it. This is the only forum I have ever been part of that allows proven scammers to stay and those who support them. OP and the rest need to know that. Not that they care about anything though. 

I agree with you that it is an advertisement of 1xbit but I think it is the right place to discuss about post deletion. But it is a matter of joy who are anti-1xbit that op has already been banned. So, op will not be able to post anymore and hopefully think if s/he has any alt account will be ban too considering as ban evasion.

thanks for digging that up. looks like other 1xbit signature campaign members/Shiller won't be able to use the banning of mardaed as unjustified or them being targeted to be banned. just like this one I've seen other member/s from their signature complaining about their post being targeted and deleted. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the banning of mardaed as a complaint. luckily logfiles found the report for ban evasion.

The reason could mostly like be due to Ban evasion. The profile was discovered by @rhomelmabini to be connected to Mikwik  which was already banned.

He probably drew more attention to himself with this rant and someone who had not seen the evidence of ban evasion before decided to report the profile.

That's at least one less to worry about. Does anyone know what was the reason for the ban?

Looks like OP's problem has been solved... permanently:

That is what you get for making shit posts. Instead of whimpering about the "Mods" are unfair towards the 1xbit signature shit posters, improve your post quality. Most of the 1xbit accounts are stolen and farmed alt accounts controlled by a few individuals to make money out of the stupid casino. So the post quality is so poor since the people behind the accounts have to make so many posts from the different alt accounts. The gambling board is in so much of a mess because of the 1xbit shit posters.

I applaud the mods on the great work done.

Let's take it from this angle. If you're one of those people that was scammed by this scam casino, will you be happy that someone still advertises the same scam casino on the forum where you're scammed and there's nothing to do about it?
Aside from that, the forum don't moderate scam and if the deleted messages do not worth it, the user whose message was deleted complains about it.

I have seen other 1xbit scam promoters say this kind of thing in different thread. I observe something from what you people are saying. It is not that 1xbit promoters posts are worse than others. What happens is that people are always reporting the participants because of the scam you people are promoting. Then the moderators is likely to delete posts that are reported to them than the ones that are not reported to them. The more your posts are reported, the more chances it stand to be deleted.

Can you quote a few examples of deleted posts you deem worthy?

Some do indeed.

I highly doubt that, but feel free to post convincing evidence.

Indeed. But I take it you're not talking about the people who get scammed by the scamsite you're promoting.

Don't take it seriously, even I have some post deleted since last week and most of them are from my old post that really low quality. Forum moderators is now very strict  on cleaning the forum and saving some space by deleting low quality. Low quality post is the main reason why most post are deleted and not a personal attack against 1xbit. Forum moderators can easily ban you instead of deleting most of your post if they really want to restrict you from posting here.

I would assume that due to how members of the forum perceive 1xBit participants it could be possible that their spam posts would be more noticeable around the various boards and would lead them to be reported more often and have their posts more frequently deleted.

Those deleted posts were not fine in quality and must have been deleted for good reason. If more posts from a certain campaign were deleted more often, that will be a sign that the participants are shitposting alot.

Why would the mods use alt accounts to do their job, it does not make any sense? In addition, mods do not delete the posts just like that, deleting is the result of reports and the fact that posts are really spam. If you do not believe the system works the way it should, try to report posts for which you think they are spam and look what will happen.


Why should a community fight for someone who knowingly participates in promoting a service that is undoubtedly a scam? You and everyone else who exploit the fact that scam on the forum is not moderated should be grateful for that, otherwise you would not have the opportunity to ask why the posts in that campaign are reported and deleted.

Many users on this forum including myself have had our post deleted once or twice, it's no big deal and i see no need attributing it to the fact that you are wearing the signature of a scam campaign. Also, agreeing to  wear the signature of a scam campaign shows intent, that is more concern for money than your credibility, and since there is little concern for credibility, members of scam campaigns are more likely to put less effort to post quality, so post from such members have a higher chance of been deleted.

I beg anyone to not continue replying to this thread, it's just like 1xbit's advertisement in Meta board. @OP actually can reply to this thread [Ban Request] 1xbit signature spammer. Do you agree? instead creating new one.

You should provide some evidence to claim your statement for that post screenshot of deleted messages and let the community to discuss whether the post is deleted for low quality or simply for personal vengeance against 1xbit participants as you said.

And also I wonder how you know that many people posts were deleted? Did they informed anywhere in PM or in any other discussion?

Your posts have been deleted by the moderators due to their low value and/or spamming, which has nothing to do with the fact that you are promoting a scam casino. What's the deal with accusing mods of working with alt accounts? What did you mean by that? Furthermore, it is not against the rules to report posts that do not meet the standards of this forum, in fact, it is encouraged.

Can you give us some examples of your posts that you believe were deleted wrongfully?

Possibly your posts are also deleted, you can post it here and let us see if it is not a spam, count low quality posts as spam too. All posts that are deleted can be screenshot and posted. If you have any deleted post, post it here for us to see. I have seen good members that write just three lines often but not all the time but having very quality posts, it is not about the length of a post but about the quality, have you not seen long plagiarized or spam post that were deleted before on this forum?

What I think is that after many posts from people that joined 1xbit have been known to be spams and low quality posts, this drew the attention of people that reportclow quality posts often, they reported some posts to moderators. Moderators also saw that people that join 1xbit campaign are low quality posters, they focus more also on them.

For this to be solved, anyone on 1xbit campaign should post good, concentrate more on your post and let it have good quality.

Honestly, you sound like a worrior without accent.
If you think all you have written is an epitome of a good post, then you may be wrong. Most time we don't even know the quality of a good post. We only bring it to our own perception. What you think is a good post might be totally weak for others.
Maybe someone can just exercise an example of a good posts with examples. Writing long posts with multiple spaces does not determine a quality post. We don't need to use the word spam for all deleted posts. A post can be deleted without being a spam, so let's differentiate it from the major reason why posts are deleted.

No you are wrong, 1xbit campaign is a scam betting site, but this is not about this topic, scam is not moderated and 1xbit are scamming people, I am wondering people that are not on this forum searching for bitcoin online and see this forum, if the thread is full of the result of 1xbit signature campaign posters, they can through that means open an account and be scammed, but let us leave that alone and going deeper into the main topic.

Psychologically, everyone will be affraid to use their account to join 1xbit campaign, likely alts are used, this forum is not against alt accounts if it is posting good and not poor, but the more the alt the more low posting quality, that is what some members can not condone on this forum, they have noticed 1xbit campaign is full of poor posters and they keep on reporting the posts and moderators are doing their work.

If you have any good posts that are deleted, post it here.

Please quote some of the deleted posts so we can judge whether the mods' decision to remove them was justified or not. (am sure they deserve to be deleted and I've reported few of them myself ;p)
Someone correct me if am wrong, but I don't think check or have the time to check which signature a reported user is part of before handling the report. But they surely will recognize users who have many of their posts reported. This will surely taking the decision to delete a post a lot easier.

How many sockpuppets do you have in that campaign? Your user ID doesn't show up in modlog.

You should reconsider your life choices if not being able to post shit on an internet forum gets your knickers in a knot.

I do not think that moderators delete any quality posts. Your post can be deleted if the post is off topic and/or spammy. But it can not be deleted automatically. For that someone/multiple persons have to report against you so that your post/posts can be deleted by moderators. And as the campaign you mentioned means to promote a scam forum members may make report sothat your posts can be deleted and you might be banned for being deleted your post/posts.

Only the mods / admins can delete things.
For the most part they don't go looking for things to delete they respond to reports.

People in the 1xbit campaign are promoting a casino that has a VERY VERY BAD reputation, so people are more aggressively looking at what they post and reporting anything that steps even a bit out of line. Where as if you had no sig, or had a sig that was for a less scamming business they might not report some posts.

It's not attacking the participants, it's attacking the casino and trying to stop it from being advertised.

It's not corruption, just people doing what they think is good for the forum.

-Dave

Here you go- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-request-1xbit-signature-spammer-do-you-agree-5385267

It's not about 1xBit participants; it's all about your post quality & anyone else's post quality from any other campaign. I haven’t checked out your posts nor anyone else's post from 1xBit campaign participants. Your or other people's post are getting deleted because they are not up to the mark.

I guess there's no alt of mod thing here including JollyGood. It's something set in your mind. They are reporting your post and mod is deleting if they are spam. They are reporting other people's post as well and mods are deleting if they are spam. Change your posting habit, add some quality/value in the post. I believe this won't happen.

I've been in contact with several people about this, and I'm not the only victim. Individuals participating in 1xbit signature campaign have been victims of corruption on the forum. I feel some of the mods here work with alt accounts, including Jollygood to name just one example. Many of my posts and those of others from the 1xbit campaign have been erroneously removed for no reason at all. The real reason is that all posts from almost all people participating in the 1xbit signature campaign are deleted, while the content of the posts is fine. I would like to ask the community to act against this. It now looks like pure corruption and frustration as people do not want individuals to participate in the signature campaign. This is against the rules and I think these people should be tagged and some mods should also be put under a magnifying glass. This just can't be what's happening now. There are a lot of victims who have had a lot of posts removed incorrectly.