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July 05, 2014, 07:25:04 AM
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I wonder if liberals understand that Jefferson was talking about what we know as the FederaL Reserve Bank, and issuing the fiat paper money we have today? Printing up paper money by the trillions and then using it to buy real wealth is the theft Jefferson was talking about, and the Fed has been doing it now for over a century.

All the financial elite should know by know the game can't keep going on any longer.

There is a limit on how much they can rob a nation before they are being targeted.
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July 05, 2014, 07:03:41 AM
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The Founding Fathers on regulating corporations.

1. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin.

2. “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
– Thomas Jefferson.

“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
– James Madison
The Founding Fathers on war.

3. “He who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.”
– Thomas Paine: The Crisis No. V, 1797

4. “War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” -Thomas Jefferson
The Founding Fathers on liberalism.
5. “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” — George Washington
The Founding Fathers on religion.

6. “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

7. “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

8. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
The Founding Fathers on taxes.

9. “As to Taxes, they are evidently inseparable from Government. It is impossible without them to pay the debts of the nation, to protect it from foreign danger, or to secure individuals from lawless violence and rapine.” –= Alexander Hamilton: Address to the Electors of the State of New York, March, 1801

http://aattp.org/9-founding-fathers-quotes-that-will-make-conservatives-heads-explode/

But when they go against the consent of the governed with a turd like Obamacare:
"...that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."
I wonder if liberals understand that Jefferson was talking about what we know as the FederaL Reserve Bank, and issuing the fiat paper money we have today? Printing up paper money by the trillions and then using it to buy real wealth is the theft Jefferson was talking about, and the Fed has been doing it now for over a century.
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July 05, 2014, 07:00:33 AM
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The Founding Fathers on regulating corporations.

1. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin.

2. “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
– Thomas Jefferson.

“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
– James Madison
The Founding Fathers on war.

3. “He who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.”
– Thomas Paine: The Crisis No. V, 1797

4. “War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” -Thomas Jefferson
The Founding Fathers on liberalism.
5. “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” — George Washington
The Founding Fathers on religion.

6. “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

7. “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

8. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
The Founding Fathers on taxes.

9. “As to Taxes, they are evidently inseparable from Government. It is impossible without them to pay the debts of the nation, to protect it from foreign danger, or to secure individuals from lawless violence and rapine.” –= Alexander Hamilton: Address to the Electors of the State of New York, March, 1801

http://aattp.org/9-founding-fathers-quotes-that-will-make-conservatives-heads-explode/


Quoting his for my own future reference.

Very nice compilation of wisdom from founding father.
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July 05, 2014, 06:52:21 AM
#9

The Founding Fathers on regulating corporations.

1. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin.

2. “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
– Thomas Jefferson.

“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
– James Madison
The Founding Fathers on war.

3. “He who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.”
– Thomas Paine: The Crisis No. V, 1797

4. “War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” -Thomas Jefferson
The Founding Fathers on liberalism.
5. “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” — George Washington
The Founding Fathers on religion.

6. “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

7. “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

8. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
The Founding Fathers on taxes.

9. “As to Taxes, they are evidently inseparable from Government. It is impossible without them to pay the debts of the nation, to protect it from foreign danger, or to secure individuals from lawless violence and rapine.” –= Alexander Hamilton: Address to the Electors of the State of New York, March, 1801

http://aattp.org/9-founding-fathers-quotes-that-will-make-conservatives-heads-explode/

But when they go against the consent of the governed with a turd like Obamacare:
"...that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."
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July 05, 2014, 06:35:29 AM
#8

The Founding Fathers on regulating corporations.

1. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin.

2. “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
– Thomas Jefferson.

“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
– James Madison
The Founding Fathers on war.

3. “He who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.”
– Thomas Paine: The Crisis No. V, 1797

4. “War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” -Thomas Jefferson
The Founding Fathers on liberalism.
5. “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” — George Washington
The Founding Fathers on religion.

6. “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

7. “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

8. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
The Founding Fathers on taxes.

9. “As to Taxes, they are evidently inseparable from Government. It is impossible without them to pay the debts of the nation, to protect it from foreign danger, or to secure individuals from lawless violence and rapine.” –= Alexander Hamilton: Address to the Electors of the State of New York, March, 1801

http://aattp.org/9-founding-fathers-quotes-that-will-make-conservatives-heads-explode/
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July 05, 2014, 06:26:04 AM
#7
Benjamin Franklin would ask us today “what are you doing for God’s sake??”
Written by Allen West on July 4, 2014


On July 4, 1776, the greatest experiment in human liberty took shape.

My passion for our Republic stems from a love of being blessed to live in an exceptional country and bear the simple title of American.

I have seen many other countries and none beat the land of the “All night Denny’s and 7-11.

These days, some feel America is what’s wrong with the world. I see an America that embodies what can be right with the world. In 238 short years we have achieved something that many have only dreamed of — a land where we “hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.”

When those words were written, no, it was not the prevailing reality. But, it was the hope of the writer, Thomas Jefferson, and that of the 55 other men who affixed their name. If those words had never been written, we would never have believed it possible — and we would never have achieved that goal.

The Founding Fathers gave us a vision of what was possible in a land of opportunity. A place that simply said that it didn’t matter where you were born or from whence you came — here you could “be all that you could be.”

All that was asked was a respect of the rule of law — our eventual Constitution. And what was given, with our consent, was a government chosen to represent our best interests — not self or special interest.

And so here we are today. There is nothing wrong with America and the fundamentals for which she was established. What is wrong with America is the abandonment of those basic principles and a loss of respect and regard for the rule of law at the highest levels.

What is happening with America is a lack of understanding our foundational values and precepts.

What is happening in America is something that would cause those 56 men to shed a tear.

However, I believe they would sit us down — especially ol’ Benjamin Franklin — and with a tinge of sarcastic wisdom he would simply ask, “what are you doing for God’s sakes?” Franklin would remind us of his challenge on that hot September day in 1787 that we have a Republic — if we can keep it.

Here on this Independence Day in 2014, put down those hot dogs and hamburgers for just a moment to remember and honor the men, the 56, who pledged to give their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for your freedom and liberty today.



Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/benjamin-franklin-ask-us-today-gods-sake/#X6BF04LfvcVFE2f7.99
Let's just sit back and watch how many progressives, who possess an ENTIRELY different set of values and ideology than Allen West, come here to agree with him.

Because that's what we're supposed to do, don't you know.

A buck says a couple of them will not be able to resist the usual labels.
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July 05, 2014, 06:22:50 AM
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Benjamin Franklin would ask us today “what are you doing for God’s sake??”
Written by Allen West on July 4, 2014


On July 4, 1776, the greatest experiment in human liberty took shape.

My passion for our Republic stems from a love of being blessed to live in an exceptional country and bear the simple title of American.

I have seen many other countries and none beat the land of the “All night Denny’s and 7-11.

These days, some feel America is what’s wrong with the world. I see an America that embodies what can be right with the world. In 238 short years we have achieved something that many have only dreamed of — a land where we “hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.”

When those words were written, no, it was not the prevailing reality. But, it was the hope of the writer, Thomas Jefferson, and that of the 55 other men who affixed their name. If those words had never been written, we would never have believed it possible — and we would never have achieved that goal.

The Founding Fathers gave us a vision of what was possible in a land of opportunity. A place that simply said that it didn’t matter where you were born or from whence you came — here you could “be all that you could be.”

All that was asked was a respect of the rule of law — our eventual Constitution. And what was given, with our consent, was a government chosen to represent our best interests — not self or special interest.

And so here we are today. There is nothing wrong with America and the fundamentals for which she was established. What is wrong with America is the abandonment of those basic principles and a loss of respect and regard for the rule of law at the highest levels.

What is happening with America is a lack of understanding our foundational values and precepts.

What is happening in America is something that would cause those 56 men to shed a tear.

However, I believe they would sit us down — especially ol’ Benjamin Franklin — and with a tinge of sarcastic wisdom he would simply ask, “what are you doing for God’s sakes?” Franklin would remind us of his challenge on that hot September day in 1787 that we have a Republic — if we can keep it.

Here on this Independence Day in 2014, put down those hot dogs and hamburgers for just a moment to remember and honor the men, the 56, who pledged to give their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for your freedom and liberty today.



Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/benjamin-franklin-ask-us-today-gods-sake/#X6BF04LfvcVFE2f7.99
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July 05, 2014, 05:14:28 AM
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In what seems to be a reversal of fortunes from the 1990s, more and more Americans are looking to Canada as the 'land of opportunity.' According to a new report by CTV News, economic woes in the U.S. are driving a record number of Americans across the northern border as they seek better job opportunities and cheaper education in Canada.

In 2011, Ottawa approved 34,185 visas for U.S. residents  — a figure that falls just short of the all-time record of 35,060 approved visas in 2010. By comparison, fewer than 20,000 Canadians moved to the U.S. over the past two years — the lowest number in nearly a decade.

"Since the 2008 economic crises, we have witnessed a steady stream of Americans applying for Canadian work visas. The main reason for this is lack of employment in the U.S. and our strong Canadian dollar."

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/americans-moving-canada-record-numbers-report-161857845.html

 It has been said the Americans illegally living in Canada could be ten times that number. If you put five Americans in a room with five Canadians and then asked someone to say who is American and who is Canadian it would be hard to do. Thousands upon thousands of Americans came to Canada during the Vietnam war and many of them stayed and became Canadian citizens. Calgary, Alberta is the most "Americanized" city in Canada because of all the legal and illegal oil workers who have come to the city for work. Americans do leave their country looking for better opportunities just like other peoples come to the United States looking for the same thing.
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July 05, 2014, 04:55:48 AM
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Freedom is sometimes messy but the results are worth it.
AUTHOR:   Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION:   “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

                          “A Republic, if you can keep it.”



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E Pluribus Unum and Semper Fidelis. 
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July 05, 2014, 04:49:38 AM
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness
I thought the Liberals had revised that to read, 'the equality of unhappiness and poverty.'


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Have we ever seen a rickety boat leave the shores of America, seeking comfort in another land?
Nah, we use modern Super Freighters to move former American Commerce leaving the shores of America seeking less Government costs and less commercial intrusion in many other lands.
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July 05, 2014, 04:29:12 AM
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Wonderful commentary and very inspiring .Have we ever seen a rickety boat leave the shores of America, seeking comfort in another land?
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July 05, 2014, 03:10:22 AM
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The Unanimous Declaration of the
Thirteen United States of America
In Congress, July 4, 1776

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
The Declaration of Independence is a timeless and constantly relevant reminder of the great experiment in human liberty begun by ancestors long gone but never forgotten. Oppression by a powerful government had finally become more than the people of the American colonies could bear. That government was thrown off in favor of a nation that would progress from its troubled beginnings to become the greatest power on Earth, not because of any evil intent as was the case with so many great powers of history but, because of its inherent decency. It has been said that America is great because it is good. I truly believe that. And I believe that goodness comes from the individual people who work every day to make America a unique and generous and creative force in the world. I worry that, as we celebrate our independence today, many of our fellow Americans are trying to move us toward a state of ever increasing dependence and away from reliance on the institutions that have made us strong - faith, family, common ideals of personal liberty and responsibility. Freedom is sometimes messy but the results are worth it.

As you go about enjoying the anniversary of our independence please pause for a moment and ponder the things that have made our nation the wonderful place it is and reflect on what we can do to continue this grand experiment in freedom. There are very few Americans seeking to abandon this land. Countless millions around the world seek to come and share this great nation and her bountiful blessings as they make their own contribution. We must be doing something right.
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