Topic: India or Bharat (Read 448 times)

Fact is that government has to push its propaganda to kids via some media and the method to do that is through books and there is comes the role of NCERT.

In either case India is a country where religious and political indoctrination should be countered by instilling kids with the idea of asking "why" at every thing they encounter in order to develop critical thinking and then only these type of junk would not matter to them.

That is one big stupid recommendation by the panel under the influence of BJP. What are they trying to achieve before the election. Changing the name from India to Bharat doesn't solve any issue. Making changes in the curriculum to suits the global demand of skill worker should be the primary objective. They are still debating whether to use India or Bharat. How much free time these guys in NCERT have for such discussion?

A bit late in posting this news. I would like to ask everyone here, what do you guys think about it?



I personally want both names, that is Indian & Bharat to be in the school book. It is not right to wipe out the name India and only promote Bharat. I don't  agree with this decision of panel and the government.

Personally i would say it is obvious that we are talking about this on the verge of another general election, the sole purpose is to create diversion from the real issues and the ruling government know very well that people will divide with their opinions. If a change in name will create the illusion of shedding the colonial past, then we have much deeper issues than what is presented.

Had a good laugh when yesteryears International Cricketers like Virender Sehwag jumped to this bandwagon of shedding the colonial past by renaming while they played the very game the colonial reign presented  which obviously made them rich and famous .

Fact remains that BJP tried changing the name in the past during 2016 and in 2020 and the supreme court rejected the pleas, now the opposition has created an alliance and named them Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance in short INDIA, BJP wanted to use this as a bait and flare this with the help of media which is gaining momentum which is not surprising as they have the uncanny ability to divert attention to major issues during elections and win the majority.

There is an official statement by the US official that the intel was shared by the US to Canada, like you mentioned, it is highly unlike US wants to flare this up at this moment due to geo political and economic ties because India is their biggest trading partner and with the way things are going, they might not want to jeopardize that alliance.

I understand that we are not big enough for now, but we will become big in the next 10 years. The good thing about this fiasco is that Mr Truedeau has brought shame to Canada by inviting a Nazi to their house. The game changer happened without India doing anything, how stupid can a PM of a country be while inviting someone without verifying the background? I assume this critical mistake can help India create an atmosphere in which the Canadian government would be criticized and the narrative of Canada harboring terrorists would be justified. What the Canadian PM did was to only destroy him and his country.

The same country is referred to by both "India" and "Bharat," with "India" being the term used in English and "Bharat" being the name used in other Indian languages. In other words, when you say "India" or "Bharat," you are referring to the same nation.

Why we are not accepting it?

We are big but not big enough in terms of economic or military power, even diplomatically and definitely not strong when up against a Western block. Canada is weak only if we look at it bilaterally but not when we club them with the big western block. I mean just look at all the major institutions, everything comes under the Western powers. Yes, we are making inroads but it's a recent development and we have a long way to go so denying the accusation is practical, unless it's proven otherwise.

RAW comes directly under PMO, which basically means if the former is caught, in result the latter party will get $ucked royally (not domestically but internationally). Blowback can be drastic like facing sanctions or start acting like a vassal state against China/Russia because you know, we are beastly people with a beastly religion and were supposed to follow the white master.

Or maybe we are really innocent lol.

My question is to both of you, assuming that India did kill those guys and the named one on Canadian soil. Why cannot India openly admit that they were killed by Indian agents? If America can do and Israel can do why not we? If India does admit then what will be the repercussions?

We know that the West cannot ignore India anymore as they need India against China. Then they do need the growing Indian market which has a big potential for economic benefits. The amount of investment happening in India has led India to become the 5th largest economy. While Canada sits in the 9th position, the West can ignore Canada whereas they cannot ignore India. This is my reasoning for India to accept if it has used its agents to do those tasks in Canada.

CBC broke this story and it's basically the mouthpiece of the Canadian government-funded news outlet (69% gov funded lol hinting at Funny incident)  so it's obviously leaked by gov.

Everyone spies on each other, including friends (We also do this) but no one speaks about it publicly because it has severe repercussions, hence the leak via media and there is no doubt that this -alleged- intel (if there is any) came from the five eyes, basically the USA but I won't count the UK as well. Don't look at this gameplay as some economic POV only, it's just one of the many factors.

Trudeau digging a hole and so far no one is willing to pull him up but again Canada is the USA's neighbor and founder of the Anglosphere intelligence alliance (Five Eyes) so you never know. If there is any intel (which is a possibility) then USA has to make a decision if they want to release the tapes etc or not and more importantly at what cost? If they do release it then it will backfire on India-USA relations and it is not good for Indo-Pacific strategy. Both the parties Delhi and DC, mainly the latter party invested heavily in this relationship due to new geo-political realities.

To save themselves from this embarrassment the Canadian media came out with a new theory.
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This Canadian government has not officially supported this news. If they spied on diplomat then they have broken a UN treaty. This will led to serious back lash from the Indian government and completely dent the diplomatic relationship between both the countries.

The problem with Canada now is that they never expected such an offensive from India. They expected that India would would keep quite in this matter like it use to do before 2014. India has nothing to lose as Canada needs Indian economically than India needs them. The latest setback for Canada was when India announced Biden as the the guest for Republic day.

The way it's progressing it looks like a test match so we are up for some long haul unless Uncle Sam does his thing behind the door.

I don't think tension would go away easily even if conservatives came into power because India will surely demand a crackdown on Khalistan and this isn't straightforward through the Canadian system. Overall this incident is very educational for Western audiences (minus gov) as far as Khalistan terrorism is concerned. 

Most people in the western world know the country as India and it's not yet considered as Bharat by those people. Some internal people of India consider their country as Hindustan instead of India or Bharat. The name Hindustan simply means the place where Hindus live, but some people say that the name Hindustan isn't suitable for India because there are many non-Hindus who also live in that country.

Now, the Narendra Modi and his party is trying to promote the name Bharat instead of India or Hindustan and when we go to the origins of the name Bharat then we know that there was a king named Bharata and his name was present in the Hindu epic text Mahabharat. Now, it's the decision of the public to vote for either Bharat or India, but generally people still widely accept India as the official name of the country.

The revenue generated by Indian students is big and I have heard that the fee structure for them is on the higher side than the locals. Trudeau made a mess of diplomatic relations by bringing in his personal ego after his humiliation at the G20 summit. Imagine if Canada were to ban visa applications, many students would apply for higher education in the US. Already Mahindra and Essar Steel have withdrawn from upcoming projects in Canada others might follow.  If the opposition party comes to power in the next Canadian election, then relations with India may become normal. As of now, Canada has not withdrawn its pension fund from the Indian stock market, if it does then companies like Paytm, and Kotak Bank will get hammered.

True but to be fair to India. Justin Trudeau started this diplomatic mess and now India is going on the offensive with this visa ban move. I also think Canada might not follow the same route because of various reasons. One of em is that Indian students make up for like 40% of international students in Canada and contribute about $7-9 billion per year.

India-Canada diplomatic relations were already bad and the recent incident is just the final nail in the coffin thanks to man child Trudeau. I won't say "Big blow" because I'm yet to see any bashing from the international strategic community. Traditional foreign media house doing their thing, which we are used to lol. The majority of the op-eds and coverage are full of racism and it indicates that they are already trusting that Trudeuo claims are true without seeing any evidence. "Trust me bro" meme became a reality in this case. Independent and conservative media in Canada are not buying anything tho.

India-Canada diplomatic relations were already bad and the recent incident is just the final nail in the coffin thanks to man child Trudeau. It will take some time to fix it in every scenario but this drama should be closed soon. Also, don't forget there is virtually no blowback in India and on this issue, every single party got behind the gov, which wasn't surprising to me because of the trigger word of "Khalistan".

Haha seriously man. I don't think such a series of actions were necessary from both the sides. Especially the Visa suspension, it's too much. Because I don't think Canada might have been affected that much by this sanction from India but if Canada replicates(of which there is a very less probability) there might be a big repercussion of that on all the Indian citizens living there on Work permits. But obviously that's the part or you could say these people are ally of a major vote bank for Trudeau so might not happen at all. Also I feel this is the first big blow on Indian Diplomacy since Modi has taken the chair, a blow that they are not able to extinguish easily by suppressing it.

^^ Justin Trudeau is taking a fair amount of limelight and bites in the media circle. Trads are having a field day over this tho.

I might have missed something but so far no fireworks in this session. Faltu mein hype create ho gayi ya Bc fhutiya bana rahi hai yeh gormint. 

Yeah, you are right things are way different in Kashmir now. Before 2019 everything was out of control and peace was a distant dream. I only quoted what is circulating in the mainstream media. You cannot disagree that the ruling party has the habit of suprising everyone in the country. No one has been able to stop PM Modi from taking bold decisions except the farmers. For now everyone is clueless as to what will be discussed in the upcoming session of the Parliament. In a few days time we would know what has been cooking? 😜

I am not sure about statehood for J&K atm, looks way too early to me. Right now J&K (Valley) looking calm and things are heading to normalcy but it's a long game, surely need a carrot and stick policy.

Hurriyat is losing ground drastically but the government can't be complacent and needs a minimum of another decade to clean all dirt. They need to destroy soft separatism sentiments from the ecosystem, It already started but it will take some time. 

My vote goes for bharath since we call bharath matha so it should be the same name as it before.

Nothing new for the ruling party, they are known for disrupting the political peace in India. They were able to successfully stop the opposition alliance from interfering in the G20 summit by announcing the special session of Parliament before the summit. Till now no one knows what agenda or bill would be up for discussion. The opposition is in the guessing mode and is trying to prepare for the discussion without knowing what to discuss.  

According to some media reports UCC & declaring Kashmir as a state might happen between 18th to 22nd of this month. If these two topics come up in this session ,then another milestone would be achieved by the ruling party. For the time being we can keep guessing just like the opposition has been doing so far.

They don't need to change anything as both names are mentioned in the constitution and can be used interchangeably. Bringing any amendment only because of a name change is not a good optic and a big waste of time. All they have to do is use the word "Bharat" regularly, officially or unofficially that's it.

I am waiting for an upcoming special session and expecting some juicy stuff from Mota bhai. Maybe UCC? Idk but how will everyone react if it's about freeing temples from the government's control? Pipe dream atm but seriously that would be something.

The history part is very precise and to the point. About the opposition I am sure BJP is doing this to taunt I.N.D.I.A. The name game is just a political instrument taken by the BJP to prepare for the upcoming elections. I still think there shouldn't be any issue if Bharat becomes the official name of India. Many countries have done it in the past and we can also do it.


I don't think that the government of Pakistan has officially stated that they would claim the name India. Such stupid statement are coming out from a few group, who call themselves Pakistani intellectuals. Looking at the past, It is their full time job to stick their nose in every Indian affairs. Changing name won't get them a good reputation globally or would help their economic situation unless they change themselves. 

My political reading.

IMO, It's just a political gimmick but if I am being honest then the opposition forced the current government to use "Bharat" instead of "INDIA" when the opposition opted for the India acronym for their alliance, which was an excellent move but double edge sword as well. 

BJP is an election beast, they even take gram panchayat elections very seriously, like it's a matter of life and death. So no wonder they played a "Bharat" card beautifully and they are not breaking any rule at all.

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My personal experience.

I've spent a fair amount of time working in SEA and okayish times traveling the Middle East and in my experience, if we ignore the English speaking locals then you will hear the sound of Indo, Indu, Ando, Hindostan, Hind and Turtsu (another ancient Indian name) which became Tianzhu/Tinzhu-Tinju (heaven) in China/japan instead of India regularly. We only got here because Persian didn't know how to pronounce "SaptaSindhu" which became "Haptahindu", then a shorter version "Hind /hindu)and Greek made into "indu". As far as local Indian languages go Bharat, Bharto, Bharoto, Barat, Bharatvarsha, Bharta, Bharata desham, Bharatam, Bharatu, Hindustan etc are quite common.

Indian or Bharata history is freaking rich af, you don't need wine to get high. There is a reason all indic religions are referred to as Sanathana, just dig in and embrace it.

As I have said earlier both names India & Bharat can be used as per the constitution. The ruling party has not come out with any official statement about changing the name permanently. Mr. S Jaishankar the foreign minister has already said that both names can be used as per the constitution. The ruling party is only trying to create this hype because the central election is on the way. They will use this hype of name to highlight that they are trying to shed the colonial past. It is not that easy to delete the name of India as it is not only a name but a global brand. If they do change the name then it won't happen rapidly, it will happen steadily.

I have seen views of both the parties who are in favour of this and also those who are against it, also the opinion from down south who strictly are against an only Hindi Name Bharat. My point to all this is why is all this sham needed anyway? We all know constitution has provisions for both the name. The name india comes from the Indus river system that flows here and there is no concrete evidence as to whether Britishers were the first to coin this term. Also there would absolutely be zero effect of this on any person's mind or mentality, honestly no one even better an eye on the Name India for 70 years until this government made it such a big issue.

At the G20 meeting, in front of the Prime Minister of India Narendra Damodardas Modi, there was a nameplat with the country name Bharat, not India. I think the country will be renamed after all in the near future. India is likely to officially change the English-language name of the country to Bharat.

Using the name Bharat makes more sense since we are Bhartiya Nagrik. Bharat humara desh hai.
Have you heard the rumors that once India changes it's name to Bharat, Pakistan will claim that name.
They are saying that since Pakistan has the origin of Indus Civilization it has the right to change it's name to India.
If this really happens I am not sure how it's gonna be. It's really weird.

It is a controversy created by the opposition and nothing more. The foreign minister Mr Jaishankar has already given a hint that both names that is India and Bharat are legal and can be used as per the constitution. India is a international brand name and it is not that easy to change it.

Indian across the country call Indian as Bharat in their native tounge in some form or the other as the name is derived from Sanskrit word Bharatha. I think it BJP is trying to create a rift within the political community to gain a little mileage before the next central election. They and the stupid opposition will now drag this controversy till the end of this year. That will only help the BJP in the upcoming elections. Nothing is going to happen for sure, it is just a way to show the citizens of India that BJP is trying to get rid of the colonial past.

BTW, this topic should have been posted on Press & News

Yes, it is mentioned in the Constitution. That doesn't mean that the government cannot use India. It means that both the names can be used by the government. For example we all know Germany, whereas Germans prefer Deutschland. This is a silly controversy raised by the opposition.

It has become a habit of the existing ruling party to come up with a new policy and the opposition to always create a  controversy surrounding it. I don't think that in the upcoming session of Parliament India's name would be changed to Bharat. I feel both names would be used in the future by the government.

It was not us but the Britishers named India when it was a unified country. The name India is derived from the Indus civilization, which presently is held in the Punjab province of Pakistan. Another reason to change the name as it does not symbolize our country in any way. The Constitution of India, wherein Part 1 of Article 1 clearly mentions India that is Bharat. So technically our constitution allows both the names, India and Bharat to be used officially.

Yes, the G-20 invitation sent by the President did mention the President of Bharat. That does not mean that the name India will be dispensed officially. It is still unclear what is going to happen next. The government has called for a special session of Parliament and after it concludes we may know officially. At the moment there is suspense on this topic, indications are that the name change can happen. Personally, I think we should completely shed our colonial past by renaming our country as Bharat. 

Current ruling party BJP is known for these kinds of things to divert people from something else and most likely no one in India is going to like their country to be renamed and the name India will remain same.

I read a news today that the Indian government wants to change the name of the country to Bharat. So far this is just a rumor and no official law is pending. These rumors are based on the fact that Rashtrapati Bhawan has sent out invitations to the G20 dinner to be held on September 9 in the name of "President of Bharat" instead of the usual "President of India". I would like to hear the views of the people of India themselves on this.

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