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Topic: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64 (Read 132 times)

legendary
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I don't know where you get that from. If anything, it's the other way around: COVID statistics are inflated because anyone who tests positive is counted as a COVID even if they have no symptoms. That is: someone with advanced cancer who eventually dies and shows no symptoms of COVID. It counts as one more case.

The manipulation is amazing, people who die of cancer or heart attack and have been positive for covid become official victims of the virus - and in my country, it is even rewarded with more than € 1000 for funeral expenses.
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I think not only do suicide and overdose rates rise dramatically during times of economic crisis.

Mortality rates due to homicides and criminal activity also rise spectacularly as well.

It can be seen in an uptick in videos circulating on social media containing road rage, robbery and random violence.

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The obvious question is, why isn't he showing the data, why are no numbers only random thrown percentage?

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The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319.

That's 2.35%, x20 lower than what that guy claims.

An increase of such magnitude would have shown immediate results in population statistics, Indiana had around 60k deaths per year prior, which would trigger an increase of 50k in the last years but the population has gone actually up by nearly the same percentage 0.3%.

The only possible explanation for such a large number would be that Indiana had a very low mortality rate for that age group, and the 40% comes from things 1000 to 1400, not 30 000 to 42 000.



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The most important factor is the economy and then health. If so far the death rate has increased, especially during a pandemic, this is a kind of mass death. Even from the start of the pandemic until mid-2021 in the country where I live, the death toll has continued to rise.

We all have big questions in our minds, is it true or not, but is it true that these deaths are being made into some kind of reduction in the world's population? although that sounds redundant. But I always keep that silly question.

The death rate is increasing, complicating economic factors. During the pandemic, prices skyrocket, and demand increases, but the income of workers or freelancers is lost. Frustration, depression, and ending life by suicide. Thus, the data do not account for the 40% increase in mortality in Indiana.
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That’s ridiculously high number considering the scientific advances that we have made in the field of medicines and technology as well. We live in the era where robots are also able to support the complex surgeries and already living the sci-fi lives on the earth in the 21st century.

I suspect the numbers are growing because of sudden deaths from N-number of causes. For example, accidents, drowning, deadly disorders, diseases, wars etc.

More or less this surely puts burden on the insurance companies however they are smarter to exclude the above reasons as they might have pay over the shoulders to cover all of them. 

Anyways, COVID is main reason during this period which has been discussed already.
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We are still in the midst of the crisis. Unless COVID-19 officially ends, these companies can easily raise the insurance policy, and you will find many happy to pay due to the state of uncertainty and fear of losing life in health centers.
We may witness new waves that lead to more deaths that will put pressure on the insurance systems, which may push more pressure to them.

We cannot compare what happened to the global financial crisis of 2008 because many things have changed and the economy has learned how to recover from these problems, but the crisis will be worse and it seems that we are not ready for it.
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I am 90% sure that there are more people dying from covid but not shown as covid on their paper so that the numbers could be shown as lesser than what it is.

Only a few countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom are reporting deaths from COVID in an accurate manner. Here in India, the deaths were under-reported by a factor of 10x to 20x. According to the official figures, the number of COVID deaths stand at less than 500,000. But the real figure is at least 5 million, and can be as much as 10 million. Even among my relatives and friends, I know several incidents of individuals in their 30s and 40s losing their life as a result of this deadly virus.

I don't know where you get that from. If anything, it's the other way around: COVID statistics are inflated because anyone who tests positive is counted as a COVID even if they have no symptoms. That is: someone with advanced cancer who eventually dies and shows no symptoms of COVID. It counts as one more case. I posted a debate in the Irish parliament some time ago in which it was clear but I can't be bothered looking it up again because the debates on this are so visceral that talking to someone with a different opinion is like talking to a wall.

Would have to guess suicide and overdose rates are off the charts at the moment. Essentially, the same thing that happened during the 2008 economic crisis.

If I remember correctly, the doom and gloom of 2008 was part of what motivated Satoshi Nakamoto to design and build bitcoin. I wonder if similar trends might manifest themselves as a result of the fallout. Will people seek ways to prevent these types of crisis from occurring in the future. Or is the majority demoralized enough to not even attempt it. Will it become culturally normalized as we become desensitized to it.

Although the article seems like it could point to a relationship with the vaccine, or with COVID, they are not going to be one or the other. I have enemies everywhere on this issue: the antivaxxers and the pro official version.

I imagine that it will be due to other causes such as overdoses or other reasons. If this were to happen all over the world, we would have to think about what is going on, but it seems to me that it will be limited to specific causes.
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Only a few countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom are reporting deaths from COVID in an accurate manner. Here in India, the deaths were under-reported by a factor of 10x to 20x. According to the official figures, the number of COVID deaths stand at less than 500,000. But the real figure is at least 5 million, and can be as much as 10 million. Even among my relatives and friends, I know several incidents of individuals in their 30s and 40s losing their life as a result of this deadly virus.
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This is why I believe that there is a good chance the numbers are fabricated but you can't do that on death numbers, if people are dead then they are dead and nothing can change that and they will be paid by the insurance company so they know what they are talking about.

But is the death of all human at this time as a result of covid-19 pandemic? This is a question that I still think that some data could be fabricated. This is making people more panic and creating restriction .


I am 90% sure that there are more people dying from covid but not shown as covid on their paper so that the numbers could be shown as lesser than what it is. If you tell people there are 200k cases of new covid each day and 5k per day death, then people will panic and you will need to lockdown and you need to basically do everything else. Whereas if you show 30k new cases and 300 deaths instead, then you could continue life like nothing happened.


This is a typical analysis of the idea of manipulation that will create fear in the society.  Obviously , if the cases known are announced as lesser and death rate is higher, it will create serious fear. For example in Nigeria the severity is not manifesting in death rate.
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I am 90% sure that there are more people dying from covid but not shown as covid on their paper so that the numbers could be shown as lesser than what it is. If you tell people there are 200k cases of new covid each day and 5k per day death, then people will panic and you will need to lockdown and you need to basically do everything else. Whereas if you show 30k new cases and 300 deaths instead, then you could continue life like nothing happened.

This is why I believe that there is a good chance the numbers are fabricated but you can't do that on death numbers, if people are dead then they are dead and nothing can change that and they will be paid by the insurance company so they know what they are talking about.
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I also read this news, something incomprehensible is going on. Why are there so many sick people in this state? Is everything ok with others? The statistics are frightening. Is the vaccine the problem? There are a lot of guesses on the internet. Anti-vaxxers today win on their beliefs against vaccinations.
But as for new ideas created at a critical time, I think we can hope so. Not all stress affects decreased activity. Individual talented people mobilize all their strength and knowledge to fight in times of crisis. And from such people, we see discoveries that remain forever in history.
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(The Center Square) – The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers in the state.

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”

Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.

Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.

“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”

He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims.

“For OneAmerica, we expect the costs of this are going to be well over $100 million, and this is our smallest business. So it’s having a huge impact on that,” he said.

He said the costs will be passed on to employers purchasing group life insurance policies, who will have to pay higher premiums.

The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319.

These deaths were for people of all ages, however, while the information referenced by Davison was for working-age people who are employees of businesses with group life insurance policies.

At the same news conference where Davison spoke, Brian Tabor, the president of the Indiana Hospital Association, said that hospitals across the state are being flooded with patients “with many different conditions,” saying “unfortunately, the average Hoosiers’ health has declined during the pandemic.”

In a follow-up call, he said he did not have a breakdown showing why so many people in the state are being hospitalized – for what conditions or ailments. But he said the extraordinarily high death rate quoted by Davison matched what hospitals in the state are seeing.

"What it confirmed for me is it bore out what we're seeing on the front end,..." he said.

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.

Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.

The state's online dashboard shows that the moving average of daily deaths from COVID-19 is less than half of what it was a year ago. At the pandemic's peak a year ago, 125 people died on one day – on Dec. 29, 2020. In the last three months, the highest number of deaths in one day was 58, on Dec. 13.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html


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The numbers sound mind blowing when he frames them this way:

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“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”

Would have to guess suicide and overdose rates are off the charts at the moment. Essentially, the same thing that happened during the 2008 economic crisis.

If I remember correctly, the doom and gloom of 2008 was part of what motivated Satoshi Nakamoto to design and build bitcoin. I wonder if similar trends might manifest themselves as a result of the fallout. Will people seek ways to prevent these types of crisis from occurring in the future. Or is the majority demoralized enough to not even attempt it. Will it become culturally normalized as we become desensitized to it.

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