Topic: Innosilicon t3 50 arrived. (Read 801 times)

yep and I am still pissed off at them, but to be fair bitmain  has been crappy as of late.  So I have issues with them. Along with pangolinminer.

while the sale is happening and the bonus unit, philip as usual is correct.

This is good   it is better then the  bitmain t17e I got yesterday

It does 54th at 3356

your factory setting of 50th at 2550   is 800 watt savings at a loss of 4th
your high setting of 57th  at 3300     is 56 watts savings with 3 th extra

Right now innosilicon is blowing out  the t3+ 57th

https://www.innosilicon.com/html/t3+57t-miner/index.html

1666 plus shipping

all of bitmains gear is a bit slower or a month slower.  So at the moment  this is kind of competitive.

My T3+ 57Th  have finally arrived and I have them fired up to test before they are off to the Host.
So far so good exactly at spec...57th on performance drawing 3300W Fans steady at 70% with chip temps hovering in low 70's.

So
High performance we have 57Th @ 3300W (Insane jet engine loud when warm)
Reduced settings
Factory setting puts out 50Th @ 2550W Ambient is 65F (Not for long) fans @50%..... chips temps high 60's
Balanced........not checked yet
Economy.....39Th @ 1800W !!!! And Not too loud at all...tolerable

These are early results after only a few hours on each.
Definitely will NOT be running them full tilt.
All this on stock firmware
These units are for sale in Ottawa but will soon be in Labrador at Cryptoboreas

Yep cause the units need to be run at lower then preformance if you run them long term.

Mine runs at factory +  and I use a voltage regulator that keep power at 227-233 volts.

If you have 208 3 phase and run this psu a long time many  units struggle to do factory speed and will need to do balance +

many big hosts  are 208 3 phase  and can run around 205 volts  this psu will not keep up on preformance setting.

I found a decent 230 volt regulator  that  is rated for 20amps  So far it has been very good. I have four of them:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-SmartPower-Systems-Automatic-Voltage-Regulator-AVR20-230TBF-Plus/372797321665

I  got two at 200 and two at 150

I got one from the seller above. His works well.  as did the others for the other sellers.

My thoughts are this could be helpful if you are running

s17
t17

t3 50
t3 39

on 208 volt 3 phase circuits.  But I think no hoster will want to be bothered with them.

No more because the PSU's die all the time and they consider them a fire risk

Probably because pdu change for c19/c20.

My hosting provide won't allow them in the datacenter anymore.

Promotional pricing for T3 is live but looks like not the T2 yet.

https://twitter.com/Inno_Miner/status/1184408814386200576?s=201

I didn't take them up on the offer of an "upgrade" to T50, so I pulled out of my T43's and got a refund.

It did take 23 days for them to actually send the refund after I requested it, but it did come through.

Good news so about a 25-30 day delay.

And you had to upgrade from 43th at 100 or 125 a miner ?

My single t3 50 does well on factory+ but it does suck a lot of power say 3350 watts.

Pretty annoyed with innosilicon myself and I know you are more annoyed.

So let’s tally

The bad:
Inno late for many
Pulls extra watts
Many had to pay for forced upgrades from 43th to 50th.

The good :

It can do 50.50 t at factory plus
So far It works

I just wanted to update that that Innosilicon did send my miners, they arrived today and I will be installing them next week.

I told my business partner that I was through with Innosilicon, and he sent them an email on my behalf yesterday, threatening legal action if the orders aren't shipped out.  He did the same thing for his order a few weeks ago and already has his machines running, so apparently that tactic works.  I received an email from Innosilicon early this morning stating that the order has been shipped to Hong Kong for international delivery.  They also said that they found all my emails in their spam folder, including my new email address that is not a gmail address.  So if you aren't receiving responses there is a good chance that your emails are all in their spam folder.

Well that sucks.  So both innosilicon and whatsminer are fucking up.  With lots of delayed gear shipments.
Let us know what they do.. I am trying to track whatsminer and Pangolinminer with those late shipments along with late gear from Innosilicon.

At the moment in the other direction ie responsibility bitmain is allowing PayPal payments for s17 to ship in late August.

Complete opposite on bitmain vs whatsminer or Pangolinminer or innosilicon.

Just wanted to add my recent experiences with Innosilicon.

I ordered T3-43th/s miners on June 17th which were supposed to be shipped in August or September.  On September 11th they asked for an additional $111 per miner to change from the 43th/s to 50th/s miners with a promise to deliver 1 week from payment confirmation.  It took me 2 weeks to get a BTC address from them to send payment to, which I made in the last week of September.  The last email I received from them on the 25th after I made payment was "ok. will check with the financial department and let you know asap."  Now, my email address is blocked because of a spam blocker on their end and I get this message "Hi,your mail is quarantined, and it returns the error code: 554 DT:SPM".  I am aware that there was an extended Chinese holiday last week, however the lack of communication in the last month and delays with shipments are enough for me to never want to purchase from this company again.  My last email to them from another email address (because mine is blocked) asked for an immediate shipment or return of payment.  I know that my order is a small order to them, but I have been a customer of theirs for about a year with multiple orders made.  I'm not sure if they are inundated with emails from irate customers and that is the reason why they aren't responding or if they just don't care to respond to emails.  Their track record for me hasn't been great.

I am aware of other business partners that have purchased and received their miners and others that have not heard back from them via email.  I will give further updates if they happen to send an email or equipment but it doesn't look promising at the moment.

Still running very close to 50.5 on factory plus .  It pulls 3400 watts in the smaller solar array at buysolar .

So. I don’t mind it as much since it will run at factory+ for the time being.

Down the road it won’t do the promised 33th and 1650 watts.  So at the 1/2 I may not like it very much.

I won’t be buying from them for the time being.

We moved this to Clifton NJ it is running on factory+ does 50.50 th pulls heavy watts 3400.

I can’t recommend this over bitmain t17 or bitmain s17 or whatsminer 20s or whatsminer 21s.

I spoke with another purchaser of inno gear and he is delayed and had to send  more coin in order to get t50's since they did not have his t43's  if and when he

gets them I will post back.  So As much as I am annoyed others are hurt more then me.

Even with FW update my T2's only hit about 29.3ths at 2300w. Seems consistent under performing on all their models so needs more FW attentions. My 100% read on the fan is likely the PSU fan at 100% as I've noticed with the cooler weather of late the pitch is dropped or fluctuates on tube.

Then the psu fan is on the back where typically you'd see it placed in a push direction not a pull.

Yeah  back to the simpler pre 2017 days

The gear does a steady  50.40th  set to factory+

pulls a little high on watts 3400  vs 3100

3400/50.40 =  67.4 watts a th

3100/50.00 =  62.0 watts a th  fairly close to spec.

As long as it keeps running its all good.

We usually have a few reservations of the small maximum order quantities available but they go quickly. Hopefully inno is catching up with production and can hit the release for the 57T must sooner. Time will tell.

I suppose philip's situation is similar to ours but we have hundreds of "partners" to answer to.

Yeah cheap power is nice but three partners is hard. I have to think of them.

Heh, I have no skin in the game with any manufacturer, I've had good deliveries and slow deliveries, I've had cancelled orders because of over subscription, suppliers who I lost coin on because of exchange rate fluctuations, and vice versa.

I think things for you have changed, now you are stressed about mining because its a bigger concern and you have partners, so 8 days of delay, which in the past would have been nothing, is now a big thing for you.

For me, it feels the same now as it did when I had 100TH. The "business" of mining feels the same, the suppliers feel the same, the experience is the same. Maybe thats why it doesn't stress me out, but then I don't have business partners to appease

For now, the T3-50T appears to be mining at spec. But then so do the M21S's that I got at the same time, and people have had problems with them too. Go figure.

Although I am pissed with Inno that these T50's I've had to take as replacements for the more efficient T39 and T43's that I actually ordered. That's an annoyance but I'll live with it now that gear is getting harder to get.

Bitmain pissed me off too with their tiny window of purchase opportunity and their limit of 2 from a batch for the T17-38, but a deep breath and all is good again.

yep  my inno's run in  a 90f space they have filtered air,  but the room is always 80f to 95f.

At factory+  it has been doing 51th.  

I have no issues for it at factory+

But it is so far off spec on low setting I find it annoying to say the least.

40t  and  2460 watts is simply not close at all to 33t and 1650 watts.

  To put it simply  when it roi's down the road and the ½ ing comes around  the option to drop it to  33t and 1650 watts does not exist. They advertised  that it could do that.
So come may of 2020  it will be an issue.

They also advertised it would ship in August it shipped on the 9th of sept.  

I think  one problem with mining is the now mentally   So who cares if it  won't downclock in May of 2020  that is far off.  Okay  you could be right may not be a problem in may of 2020.  but shipping 9 days late  was now and that was 100usd in coins.  They did not offer a refund of that or even a coupon.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-best-in-class-btc-miner-innosilicon-t357t-t3-50t-shipping-in-september-5185022  I asked for a coupon  for make up for the 2 advertising wrongs  and offered to buy more gear.

which means I don't hate the gear. (I don't like their advertising)  2 fails  one fail for now and one for later.

Look mining is a business  we all try to do what is best for our ownself  and maybe for others.

I would buy one from them if they gave me a coupon to make up for late shipping and for bad downclocking.  

The gear to me is worth  about 1600 not the 2100 they are now asking.  It they had shipping on time  I would ask to pay 1700 or 1800 for one in 7 days.  not the 2100 they are asking.

My T3-50's are up and after a couple of hours are running on default settings @ 50T with +/- fluctuations of only 1%

They are in a datacenter though so probably have better cooling available to them than where Phil has his.

I think if your really read everything in that post you wouldn't be making such a statement, I clearly mentioned


Which is the proper way of doing things, I also don't understand how is it logical to compare a gear which you can get in 4-7 days to a gear that will only ship in late November and will probably only be received in December.

if you can get a T17 now for 1145$ then there is no math needed, go for it, but if you have to wait till December, a gear like the one in review will be at your door step in just a couple of days, and you will have at least 65 days lead , that is almost 750$ of profit ( before the power bill) , also all bitmain gears are sold out at the moment, so the earliest batch will probably be next year January.  

The math is really simple here, and it all depends on how much do you have to pay for the gear, I personally don't like per-orders of any kind, I base my business plans on the current situation and don't like to have my BTC sitting in a manufacturer wallet for 3-5 months to get the gear, I either pay more now or just hold BTC, but it's different for everyone.

The T17 38T costs in the last Bitmain nov. batch $1145. So this is $30 per TH and not $45.

Late product earns less. Philip's comment on returns is incorrect, technically we do not allow returns after an order is submitted to manufacturer, though we treat any issues case by case.

Hopefully Philip can find time to double the FW version is latest and we can hope for more efficiency gain.

These numbers are not bad to be honest, the T3 50th goes for 2000$ in china from resellers, the T17-40th on the other hand goes for about 1800$ , the latter does about 58 watts a TH.

cost per th

T3  = 40$
T17= 45$

40th*5$ = T17 is 200$ more expensive

assuming power cost is 6 cents per kw:

40TH on the T3 cost  =   3.91 $ / day
40TH on the T17 cost=   3.34 $ /day

a difference of  0.57$ a day , so to ROI that 200$ price difference in gears price we do the following

200/0.57 =  350 days almost a whole year

let's see how it stands against S17-53 th which goes for 3500$ in china, it does 45w per th

cost per th

T3= 40$
S17 =66$

difference in 50th = 1300$
assuming power cost is 6 cents per kw:

50TH on the T3 cost  =  4.89 $ / day
50TH on the S17 cost=   3.23 $ /day

a difference of  1.66$ a day , so to ROI that 1300$ price difference in gears price we do the following

1300/1.66 = 783 days or 26 months !!

Honestly, with the numbers ,it makes every sense to get the T3 50th for 2000$ than getting any other gear from bitmain.

These numbers are based on the average price of "buy now" from Chinese resllers, buying the gears directly from the manufacturer will be a lot of different, but the waiting time will be different too.

It was not set to factory when I started it it was set to performance.

I did not run it long enough to give a fair number. But it was 52th

I am pretty happy with efficiency I will run it till I go to sleep. It is loud enough that I won’t sleep well.

I will test factory in the morning and performance in the afternoon.

I was annoyed it came late but if I can get 45 or 46 th on factory - -

48:on factory and 52 on performance .

Okay  just fired it up and set to Factory

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the gui looks like  my t3 39 and like my t2 24

I use an hourly kwatt meter  more accurate then the instant versions but  you need to wait for 2 hours to get a decent measurement

I estimate  it will be about 5.4 kwatts maybe more for the 2 hours.

I will photo the  meter and post once  it starts  to mine and finishes tuning.
These take about an hour to fireup fully.

reads                   1165.76
1hr should read     1168.46  actual =?  1169  which is

1169.00
1165.76
      
3.24 or 3240 watts  doing 48 th  this is 67.5 watts a th on factory  not that good.

the gear is cycling which is a no no  I will see if it stops
I suspect that factory is not a good setting for it.



the meter is at 1169 kwatts at  11 am  we are  doing 48th on factory

I did have a lot of recycling for about 30 minutes which has stopped.

so I will test again   11am 1169 kwatts   48 th New York time on factory

I will let it run for a few hours as I want to be accurate.

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It is doing very close to 49th at factory setting
In 18 minutes it will be 2pm it  be 3 hours since 11 am reading of 1169.00

so 1169 + 9.3 = 1178.3   that would be  3100 watts and hour  or 3100/49 = 63 watts I do not think that will happen



actual 3 hour reading = 1178.71
                                    1169
                                         9.71/3 =  3,237/49 = 66 watt a th at the wall  it is rated 3100/50 = 62 watts a th.  not sure it that is wall or dc rating.

so factory setting is okay  :

49 vs 50
 3237 watts at wall

webpage info below:


so 49 vs 50 is 2%    1th lower which is spec
3237w vs 3100wx is 4.4% or  237w higher which is spec

of course it is 66watts a th  vs 61 watts a th  which is very typical of inno to do exactly this

I let it go for 5 hours to 4pm New York time

so
1185
1169
    16 kwatts spent which is 3.2 or 3200 watts  for 49th  that is   3200/49 = 65.3 watts on factory setting

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The next test will be lowest setting   as 33th at 1650 watts is promised if exactly on spec it would be 50 watts a th

translation of that is  33th x .95 = 31.35th  and 1650 x 1.1 = 1815 watts  that is 1815/31.35 = 57.9 watts a th

if I can get it to do 52watts a th rather then my 57.9 watt guess I would like that.

I just set it to lowest most efficient speed.  I will wait till 5pm and get readings

oh temps read 69 to 70 c on my 3 boards at factory settings.

1187.51 is the 5pm reading.

34.33  is the hashrate  I will check it later   to see what we do with this setup.

if this gear does 50 watts a th  the 1 hour  meter read would be

1189.23.

Actually if it can do 50 watts a th it has some staying power down the road. If you can buy it at a lower price in a few months.

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I tested at lowest setting efficient and I am really disappointed in the gear.

it does 40th at 2460 watts which =  61.5 watts a th so it completely missed  the promised low setting numbers of   33.5th and 1650 watts.



I won't order anymore of these.  I want to thank minefarmbuy  for  handling this in a professional manner.
I took the unit to buysolar's house and put in in the barn to us that solar  array
I cranked unit up to factory +   which seems to do 53th at 3600 watts that is 68 watts a th  a lot more than the advertised  62 watts a th.

for now with current diff and coin price  it is okay gear but  it will lose profit at a diff of 23.8   as it will earn 5.62 usd and cost 5.62  if coins are 10200 and your power is 6.5 cents

if the down clocked worked as advertised.  it would earn $3.53 and cost $2.57  to run it when diff is 23.8 and coins are 10200

for the record  I would return this  to inno if I could but I used minefarmbuy  which  does allow a return and minefarmbuy  takes the hit.

inno deserves a hit on this gear.  They completely missed the down clock specs  even if you add in the -+ ranges they blew it .

I would love to see if they put out a firmware that gives the promised 50 watt a th on low speed.

Till then I do not want any more of their gear.

If my testing is wrong  and I had a meter issue someone show the unit at low speed doing close to 33th at 1650 watts.
I am only human and would love to be proven wrong and that  the downclock goes a lot closer to the 50 watts a th promised.

Be advised  that 61watts a th is very far from 50watts a th in the case of the t3 t50  low speed setting.

What's the hashrate on factory and performance? Is it on spec?

Little over 2.7kw sounds pretty good. Keep me posted.

Looks like it settled in at 43 th and does 63.3 watts a th

This is on balanced++ setting.

Of course Inno firmware set fans to 100% and gear is around 59c a board.

Since these go up to Clifton NJ the loud noise is okay but I would prefer 90% not 100%

This are pretty loud I do not think they will please a wife or girlfriend with noise factor.

I set it to balanced ++. It seems to do 43th edit 39th. Watts are at kwatts are at 148.44. I will check in an hour to get a reading.                 
   7:34 pm to 8:34 pm. In theory I will use 2.3 to 2.4kwatts so reading should be 150.84 at 8:34pm