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Quote from: Jating on July 15, 2024, 08:52:02 AM

It was nearing July 14 for the announcement but sadly it's just probably not in the plans of the management for Inoue. I agree that it can be with boxing politics and might not benefit Inoue's career or something.

What are the possible main reasons for fighting TJ? I'm still thinking about it.

The main reason why Team Inoue chooses TJ Doheny as their next opponent is the latter's popularity in Japan. If you browse through TJ's resume, his last three fights were held in Japan so he is very sellable in Japan than Akhmadaliev. Though no specific date yet but reports had it that Inoue vs Doheny will be held this coming September in Tokyo.

And TJ won all the 3 fights in Japan, and so it make sense for team Inoue to fight him as there could be a storyline to somewhat stop TJ in his tracks as he has one all his fights in Inoue's backyard and what a better way to show than Inoue itself who I say is the king of Japanese boxing for now.

Although Inoue will sell any stadium in Japan if he fought Akhmadaliev. And just like what others might think, this could be Inoue's last fight in this division and so he will be very careful to choose an opponent that might pose a lesser risk on him.

We don't know the exact reason behind it, but I'm pretty sure it's not just about him being careful since Inoue can fight anyone he wants as long as the crowd would love to see it. Marlon Tapales beat Murodjon Akhmadaliev, and Inoue defeated Tapales with his power. Based on that alone, we can say that Inoue would still dominate Akhmadaliev if he were to fight the challenger.

If this is going to be his last fight in this weight class, then that's good because Inoue will be moving on to the exciting part, which is trying to become an undisputed champion in a new weight class he'll aim to dominate.

Yeah, I think that will be their aim here, to go up in another weight class for Inoue. Perhaps they know that Inoue is not getting any younger at 31 years old already and could be hitting his prime by this point.

And with that, they want to maximized his potential but just taking a light opponent in TJ and then move up wherein the challenges are getting harder but since he is at his peak, they are very confident that he could at least get one belt at 126 lbs and then later, talk on becoming undisputed.

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It was nearing July 14 for the announcement but sadly it's just probably not in the plans of the management for Inoue. I agree that it can be with boxing politics and might not benefit Inoue's career or something.

What are the possible main reasons for fighting TJ? I'm still thinking about it.

The main reason why Team Inoue chooses TJ Doheny as their next opponent is the latter's popularity in Japan. If you browse through TJ's resume, his last three fights were held in Japan so he is very sellable in Japan than Akhmadaliev. Though no specific date yet but reports had it that Inoue vs Doheny will be held this coming September in Tokyo.

And TJ won all the 3 fights in Japan, and so it make sense for team Inoue to fight him as there could be a storyline to somewhat stop TJ in his tracks as he has one all his fights in Inoue's backyard and what a better way to show than Inoue itself who I say is the king of Japanese boxing for now.

Although Inoue will sell any stadium in Japan if he fought Akhmadaliev. And just like what others might think, this could be Inoue's last fight in this division and so he will be very careful to choose an opponent that might pose a lesser risk on him.

We don't know the exact reason behind it, but I'm pretty sure it's not just about him being careful since Inoue can fight anyone he wants as long as the crowd would love to see it. Marlon Tapales beat Murodjon Akhmadaliev, and Inoue defeated Tapales with his power. Based on that alone, we can say that Inoue would still dominate Akhmadaliev if he were to fight the challenger.

If this is going to be his last fight in this weight class, then that's good because Inoue will be moving on to the exciting part, which is trying to become an undisputed champion in a new weight class he'll aim to dominate.

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It was nearing July 14 for the announcement but sadly it's just probably not in the plans of the management for Inoue. I agree that it can be with boxing politics and might not benefit Inoue's career or something.

What are the possible main reasons for fighting TJ? I'm still thinking about it.

The main reason why Team Inoue chooses TJ Doheny as their next opponent is the latter's popularity in Japan. If you browse through TJ's resume, his last three fights were held in Japan so he is very sellable in Japan than Akhmadaliev. Though no specific date yet but reports had it that Inoue vs Doheny will be held this coming September in Tokyo.

And TJ won all the 3 fights in Japan, and so it make sense for team Inoue to fight him as there could be a storyline to somewhat stop TJ in his tracks as he has one all his fights in Inoue's backyard and what a better way to show than Inoue itself who I say is the king of Japanese boxing for now.

Although Inoue will sell any stadium in Japan if he fought Akhmadaliev. And just like what others might think, this could be Inoue's last fight in this division and so he will be very careful to choose an opponent that might pose a lesser risk on him.

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Quote from: Darker45 on July 11, 2024, 08:47:08 PM

It was nearing July 14 for the announcement but sadly it's just probably not in the plans of the management for Inoue. I agree that it can be with boxing politics and might not benefit Inoue's career or something.

What are the possible main reasons for fighting TJ? I'm still thinking about it.

The main reason why Team Inoue chooses TJ Doheny as their next opponent is the latter's popularity in Japan. If you browse through TJ's resume, his last three fights were held in Japan so he is very sellable in Japan than Akhmadaliev. Though no specific date yet but reports had it that Inoue vs Doheny will be held this coming September in Tokyo.

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LOL! Casimero is always calling out Naoya. But why should Naoya even give him the attention? Casimero is saying a lot of funny things like Naoya is lucky if he can reach round three with him or that Naoya is afraid of him and is running away, but who is he really? Rather than barking at those at the top, he should fight and defeat anybody in his way toward Naoya. That's the key. My boxer neighbor can't just call out Tank Davis and brand him a coward just because he doesn't respond and face him. This is the case with Casimero. He's been provided with great opportunities but this loud mouth just wasted them all.

Casimero is getting the attention of Inoue but he seems to be ignored at most times. Inoue is decent and I'm not saying that Casimero isn't decent. But if it's about asking for a fight or challenging a champion, there's a process to it and he needs to process and do some negotiations about it.

Quote from: Darker45 on July 11, 2024, 08:47:08 PM

Anyway, I can't see how Akhmadaliev wins against a Naoya who is at the top of his boxing form. It seems that Akhmadaliev isn't ripe yet to face the monster, an undisputed champion in two different weight divisions.

As posted by cryptomaniac, it seems that this match of Akhmadaliev won't happen against Inoue or not yet for now.

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It was nearing July 14 for the announcement but sadly it's just probably not in the plans of the management for Inoue. I agree that it can be with boxing politics and might not benefit Inoue's career or something.

What are the possible main reasons for fighting TJ? I'm still thinking about it.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 11, 2024, 08:24:19 PM

^^ So meaning to say, that they will have to pay Akhmadaliev step aside money so that Inoue won't fight him and instead faces TJ Doheny? What will happen to Akhmadaliev then? Will he have to wait again before he can get a crack at Inoue?

Just weird though that it seems this fight is what boxing fans are looking for and it could have been lock in already and good to see former champion Akhmadaliev to test Inoue. For sure they are not afraid of him, but most likely this is due to boxing politics again, too bad for Akhmadaliev though.

Also on Inoue's choosing to fight TJ Doheny next, what does this imply for Inoue and the WBA's order of a mandatory defense against Akhmadaliev? It appears that the WBA super bantamweight championship will be removed from Inoue's waist after his fight vs. Doheny.

If Inoue knows that the WBA championship will be removed from him, I speculate that he has decided already to move to the next division on featherweight where he can challenge the champions there including Brandon Figueroa.

I heard some say that the WBA is putting pressure on Inoue for his fight against Akhmadaliev, but we all know that Inoue is under promoter Bob Arum who is professional who can always have really great fighters.
I sure everything will never get out of Bob Arum control and if the choice is TJ Doheny as his next opponent then clearly that is the end for Inoue fight in the Batam Super Class, after all TJ Doheny has also been strong challenger and is one of the best for Batam Super.

Yes, that what we all want, seeing how Inoue has increased his weight and entered Featherweight, this is the right step and of course being able to move up to higher class can allow Inoue to avoid bad things if there is challenger at Batam Super who manages to beat him.
If this all really happens then it will be very exciting and in maybe year time we can see Inoue who can fight against those Featherweight monsters.

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But Naoya is not facing an ordinary boxer in Casimero, Casimero happens to be a three-division world champion and he has fought some of the great names in the divisions like Tete, Rigondeaux and he is a future Hall of Famer
I always say that facing Casimero will be an added legacy for Inoue for the simple reason that Casimero hasn't lost for the last seven years.

Skipping Casimero is not good for his legacy because there will always be a comparison, and Casimero's resume is far better than those he fought excluding Donaire.

If this was 4 or 5 years ago then Casimero would certainly be one of the best names on Inoue’s resume. However, this is 2024 and Casimero has not been relevant in a while. If Inoue fights him he will be criticized for cherry picking a washed up fighter. If Casimero can come back and wins a title, it suddenly becomes an intriguing fight again. Based solely on their skill level, Inoue will always be a huge favorite. It will be up to Casimero to earn that fight by getting a significant win, but the longer he stays inactive, it will only allow other fighters to get ahead of him.

I don't think that Casimero though will be active at least for the rest of the year, there are no confirmed fights of him surfacing around and it looks like he is contented doing things in his social media. One thing that we should look as well is that Casimero is getting older by the day while Inoue is improving and facing a lot of great fighters while Casimero's career has stagnated since he moved up to 122 lbs.

As for the postponed fight between Inoue and Akhmadaliev, it will really hurt Akhmadaliev specially if this will be Inoue's last fight at 122 lbs as he won't have his chance to test his skills against the pound for pound Inoue. I haven't check but is TJ under Top Rank? If he is then I'm not surprised that Bob Arum chooses him as it will be all in-house money for him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 12, 2024, 02:55:28 AM

We have the same thoughts, maybe this is going to be Inoue's last fight at 122 lbs and then after winning, he might want to move up to 126 lbs and challenge all the champions there. And it very well the advise of Bob Arum not to fight Akhmadaliev, just one fight against TJ and he is done at super bantamweight.

And still a win-win for those who are waiting at 122 lbs, I mean it will open up again a new set of champions. So for those former champions that Inoue has beaten, they will have equal opportunity again to regain their belts once Inoue move up to Featherweight division.

I hope that happens because it's not fun anymore watching him fight boxers who are not on his level. He has already become an undisputed champion, which is enough to prove that he is the strongest in that division, so there's no reason to stay long. It's due time for him to move up. After this fight, let's see, because the champions are waiting. Personally, I think he will still become an undisputed champion in that division. Mark my words.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 11, 2024, 08:24:19 PM

^^ So meaning to say, that they will have to pay Akhmadaliev step aside money so that Inoue won't fight him and instead faces TJ Doheny? What will happen to Akhmadaliev then? Will he have to wait again before he can get a crack at Inoue?

Just weird though that it seems this fight is what boxing fans are looking for and it could have been lock in already and good to see former champion Akhmadaliev to test Inoue. For sure they are not afraid of him, but most likely this is due to boxing politics again, too bad for Akhmadaliev though.

Also on Inoue's choosing to fight TJ Doheny next, what does this imply for Inoue and the WBA's order of a mandatory defense against Akhmadaliev? It appears that the WBA super bantamweight championship will be removed from Inoue's waist after his fight vs. Doheny.

If Inoue knows that the WBA championship will be removed from him, I speculate that he has decided already to move to the next division on featherweight where he can challenge the champions there including Brandon Figueroa.

We have the same thoughts, maybe this is going to be Inoue's last fight at 122 lbs and then after winning, he might want to move up to 126 lbs and challenge all the champions there. And it very well the advise of Bob Arum not to fight Akhmadaliev, just one fight against TJ and he is done at super bantamweight.

And still a win-win for those who are waiting at 122 lbs, I mean it will open up again a new set of champions. So for those former champions that Inoue has beaten, they will have equal opportunity again to regain their belts once Inoue move up to Featherweight division.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 11, 2024, 08:24:19 PM

^^ So meaning to say, that they will have to pay Akhmadaliev step aside money so that Inoue won't fight him and instead faces TJ Doheny? What will happen to Akhmadaliev then? Will he have to wait again before he can get a crack at Inoue?

Just weird though that it seems this fight is what boxing fans are looking for and it could have been lock in already and good to see former champion Akhmadaliev to test Inoue. For sure they are not afraid of him, but most likely this is due to boxing politics again, too bad for Akhmadaliev though.

Also on Inoue's choosing to fight TJ Doheny next, what does this imply for Inoue and the WBA's order of a mandatory defense against Akhmadaliev? It appears that the WBA super bantamweight championship will be removed from Inoue's waist after his fight vs. Doheny.

If Inoue knows that the WBA championship will be removed from him, I speculate that he has decided already to move to the next division on featherweight where he can challenge the champions there including Brandon Figueroa.

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Quote from: aioc on July 11, 2024, 09:25:12 PM

But Naoya is not facing an ordinary boxer in Casimero, Casimero happens to be a three-division world champion and he has fought some of the great names in the divisions like Tete, Rigondeaux and he is a future Hall of Famer
I always say that facing Casimero will be an added legacy for Inoue for the simple reason that Casimero hasn't lost for the last seven years.

Skipping Casimero is not good for his legacy because there will always be a comparison, and Casimero's resume is far better than those he fought excluding Donaire.

If this was 4 or 5 years ago then Casimero would certainly be one of the best names on Inoue’s resume. However, this is 2024 and Casimero has not been relevant in a while. If Inoue fights him he will be criticized for cherry picking a washed up fighter. If Casimero can come back and wins a title, it suddenly becomes an intriguing fight again. Based solely on their skill level, Inoue will always be a huge favorite. It will be up to Casimero to earn that fight by getting a significant win, but the longer he stays inactive, it will only allow other fighters to get ahead of him.

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Quote from: aioc on July 11, 2024, 09:25:12 PM

But Naoya is not facing an ordinary boxer in Casimero, Casimero happens to be a three-division world champion and he has fought some of the great names in the divisions like Tete, Rigondeaux and he is a future Hall of Famer
I always say that facing Casimero will be an added legacy for Inoue for the simple reason that Casimero hasn't lost for the last seven years.

Skipping Casimero is not good for his legacy because there will always be a comparison, and Casimero's resume is far better than those he fought excluding Donaire.

Naoya Inoue doesn't need to fight Casimero at this stage because the latter doesn't have anything to offer to the Japanese Monster except that Casimero is popular in Japan. His popularity will be the only thing that will make Inoue fight him. And if they fight, i do think that it would be an easy fight for Inoue as Casimero is on a decline as what we have seen on his last few fights.

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Quote from: Darker45 on July 11, 2024, 08:47:08 PM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

LOL! Casimero is always calling out Naoya. But why should Naoya even give him the attention? Casimero is saying a lot of funny things like Naoya is lucky if he can reach round three with him or that Naoya is afraid of him and is running away, but who is he really? Rather than barking at those at the top, he should fight and defeat anybody in his way toward Naoya. That's the key. My boxer neighbor can't just call out Tank Davis and brand him a coward just because he doesn't respond and face him. This is the case with Casimero. He's been provided with great opportunities but this loud mouth just wasted them all.

But Naoya is not facing an ordinary boxer in Casimero, Casimero happens to be a three-division world champion and he has fought some of the great names in the divisions like Tete, Rigondeaux and he is a future Hall of Famer
I always say that facing Casimero will be an added legacy for Inoue for the simple reason that Casimero hasn't lost for the last seven years.

Skipping Casimero is not good for his legacy because there will always be a comparison, and Casimero's resume is far better than those he fought excluding Donaire.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 26, 2024, 05:26:18 AM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

LOL! Casimero is always calling out Naoya. But why should Naoya even give him the attention? Casimero is saying a lot of funny things like Naoya is lucky if he can reach round three with him or that Naoya is afraid of him and is running away, but who is he really? Rather than barking at those at the top, he should fight and defeat anybody in his way toward Naoya. That's the key. My boxer neighbor can't just call out Tank Davis and brand him a coward just because he doesn't respond and face him. This is the case with Casimero. He's been provided with great opportunities but this loud mouth just wasted them all.

Anyway, I can't see how Akhmadaliev wins against a Naoya who is at the top of his boxing form. It seems that Akhmadaliev isn't ripe yet to face the monster, an undisputed champion in two different weight divisions.

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^^ So meaning to say, that they will have to pay Akhmadaliev step aside money so that Inoue won't fight him and instead faces TJ Doheny? What will happen to Akhmadaliev then? Will he have to wait again before he can get a crack at Inoue?

Just weird though that it seems this fight is what boxing fans are looking for and it could have been lock in already and good to see former champion Akhmadaliev to test Inoue. For sure they are not afraid of him, but most likely this is due to boxing politics again, too bad for Akhmadaliev though.

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It looks like this fight might not happen after all,

https://x.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1811117493219418582

I really don't know why Bob Arum or the camp of Inoue not wanting to face Akhmadaliev. And if they totally step aside him, then most likely Inoue might be strip of his WBA belt so he won't be the undisputed 4 belt titlist.

TJ Doheny is a former IBF title holder and has fought in Japan, but I do think that Akhmadaliev deserves a shot as he is also a former champion.

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^^ I would say that those comparison for now are invalid, I mean Inoue is very much active and we still don't know that the fighters that he has beaten already might some day be in the Boxing Hall of Fame. For now, it's Nonito, and then we have to understand that Pacquiao resume of Hall of Famer that he beat is 130 lbs - 147 lbs. And Inoue hasn't move up that much to this weight class wherein there could be a lot of potential Hall of Famers as compare to 118 lbs to 122 lbs so it's to early to compare.

For Bob Arum's statement, it's very obvious that as promoter of Inoue, he had to show praises to his prize fighter and still bring the hype although we already know what Inoue is capable of. But Inoue has to continue to proved more, but then again, can he go up as high as what Manny did during his career?

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I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

I don't know what the Inoue team is thinking but if they are talking about legacy and greatness the best choice of fighter to fight is Casimero let's admit it Casimero is a hall of fame candidate he is a holder of three titles in different weight category IBF junior-flyweight title from 2012 to 2013; the IBF flyweight title in 2016; and the WBO bantamweight title from 2019 to 2022.

Bob Arum has been comparing Inoue with Pacquiao even to the point of saying that he is even than Pacquiao

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“Inoue is a tremendous, tremendous fighter, like we’ve never seen before, maybe since Manny Pacquiao—probably better than Pacquiao was,” Arum told Little Giant Boxing.

Bob Arum: Inoue is a Tremendous Fighter…Probably Better Than Pacquiao Was

But checking both their achievement at the age of thirty we will see that Pacquiao is far better achiever than Inoue

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^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

Yeah, that is the thing with Casimero, he is not that active and his fight at 122 lbs is not that impressive. So he really needs to sit down with his Japanese trainer at least force him to negotiate a good fight for him next. Or who knows, maybe his Japanese promoter will put him and fight in Japan and face a Japanese fighter.

Otherwise it will be too late for him, he is already 35 years old, we know that Manny fights until his 40's, but he is a exception to the rule. Donaire is like 39 years old when he fought Inoue and we all know that happened to him.

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 25, 2024, 02:15:41 AM

^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

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This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Doubt Casimero will be dominating Inoue given how strong Inoue have become, without a single loss. Well, yes, having a clean record doesn't guarantee winning but at least it is enough as a basis on how good an athlete is.

Yes, could be another what if for Casimero, he really blow the chances of fighting him at 118 lbs. But that chance went to Butler and Inoue just knock him out in round 11 if my memory serves me right.

But going back, I would still be favoring Inoue against Murodjon. The kid is indeed a good fighter but I think he still lacks experience with pro scene unlike with Inoue who fought against many big fighters coming to sweep the division. Inoue's last fight proved that he can take haymaker head on and recover during a fight and still bag a victory. There's just so much talent to Naoya and after this match, I think he should be exploring ither divisions as well if he would like to test his strength against more known fighters. Even big name fighters recognize Inoue's skills and that's for a reason of course.

I think everyone is favoring Inoue at 122 lbs, although he has suffered his first knockdown against the hands of Neri and we could that there could be a big upset. And perhaps Inoue felt embarrassed by it. However, he shows how great he is, as he comeback and then knockout Neri with a perfect counter. Akhmadaliev style is similar to Tapales though and we have seen Tapales vs Inoue and the same result, Marlon getting knockout. So this might be the same case here, maybe before round 10, Akhmadaliev will go down and Inoue having another knockout win.

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^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

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I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

True, he made title defense a couple of times and the fight wasn't even close, it's very clear that he dominated the division, so there's no reason for him to stay, unless he is afraid to push his limit. Moving up in weight seemed not a problem for Inoue, so I guess he should continue and try to make his country and his fans prouder especially if he could again become an undisputed champion.

at 126 lbs, he will be facing the champions.

WBC - Rey Vargas
WBA - Raymond Ford
IBF - Luis Lopez
WBO- Rafael Espinoza

I guess these boxers are not popular, so Inoue should be able to still dominate here.

I was actually surprised when Inoue and his team after beating Tapales and unifying all the belts at 122 stated that they will defend the undisputed title 3 or 4 times. That's a lot of fight unless they are decided not to fight anymore at 126.

That champs are 126 are not that popular but they'll be bigger than Inoue for sure. That's like Canelo moving up top to 175 and was heavily favored to win another title only to get schooled by the unpopular Dmitry Bivol. But I also believe the skills and power of Inoue is enough to become a 5 division world champion but I am not too sure about becoming undisputed again.

Raymond Ford just lost his WBA belt to Nick Ball who also had a split draw with WBC champ earlier.

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As for Casimero, i don't think that Inoue or Top Rank would give the chance to fight the Japanese monster as they already laid the plan and Casimero's name wasn't on it. Two fights in the super bantamweight to be held in Japan then move up to the featherweight and still fight in Japan hehe. Seems to me that Inoue have no plan on fight outside Japan in the next two years i think. Even those prospect opponents are will to travel to Japan just to have a fight with Inoue and we can't blame them as the money is even larger than them fighting in Vegas.

The best thing for Casimero is to stay active to better his rankings with or without Inoue.

Japan is just too rich and boxing is very much alive in that country which is why their companies and people are willing to pay. Las Vegas or ESPN or Arum and their partners should offer more if they want to bring Inoue outside Japan.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:48:43 AM

I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

As for Casimero, i don't think that Inoue or Top Rank would give the chance to fight the Japanese monster as they already laid the plan and Casimero's name wasn't on it. Two fights in the super bantamweight to be held in Japan then move up to the featherweight and still fight in Japan hehe. Seems to me that Inoue have no plan on fight outside Japan in the next two years i think. Even those prospect opponents are will to travel to Japan just to have a fight with Inoue and we can't blame them as the money is even larger than them fighting in Vegas.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:48:43 AM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Doubt Casimero will be dominating Inoue given how strong Inoue have become, without a single loss. Well, yes, having a clean record doesn't guarantee winning but at least it is enough as a basis on how good an athlete is.

But going back, I would still be favoring Inoue against Murodjon. The kid is indeed a good fighter but I think he still lacks experience with pro scene unlike with Inoue who fought against many big fighters coming to sweep the division. Inoue's last fight proved that he can take haymaker head on and recover during a fight and still bag a victory. There's just so much talent to Naoya and after this match, I think he should be exploring ither divisions as well if he would like to test his strength against more known fighters. Even big name fighters recognize Inoue's skills and that's for a reason of course.

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I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

True, he made title defense a couple of times and the fight wasn't even close, it's very clear that he dominated the division, so there's no reason for him to stay, unless he is afraid to push his limit. Moving up in weight seemed not a problem for Inoue, so I guess he should continue and try to make his country and his fans prouder especially if he could again become an undisputed champion.

at 126 lbs, he will be facing the champions.

WBC - Rey Vargas
WBA - Raymond Ford
IBF - Luis Lopez
WBO- Rafael Espinoza

I guess these boxers are not popular, so Inoue should be able to still dominate here.

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So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

Probably just another 2 more fights and it will be against mandatory, and he could be just fulfilling his obligation to not get strip. And if Inoue is not going to be damage or his possible opponents, then maybe he can have them still this year before he moves up.

Could be blessing for fighters are 122 lbs if Inoue goes at 126 lbs as it will create a vacuum and possible for Casimero to become a champion. But I don't see him moving as high as 126 lbs, maybe this will be Casimero's weight limit and so the fight with Inoue might not happen.

I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 23, 2024, 03:22:36 AM

So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

Probably just another 2 more fights and it will be against mandatory, and he could be just fulfilling his obligation to not get strip. And if Inoue is not going to be damage or his possible opponents, then maybe he can have them still this year before he moves up.

Could be blessing for fighters are 122 lbs if Inoue goes at 126 lbs as it will create a vacuum and possible for Casimero to become a champion. But I don't see him moving as high as 126 lbs, maybe this will be Casimero's weight limit and so the fight with Inoue might not happen.

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So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

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Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

Inoue already faced the best the Super Welterweight can offer there's no name here that can match up his power, skill, and speed I don't want to include Casimero although he is a worthy opponent, Team Inoue or any organization doesn't want anything to do with Casimero, he should move up and go against top superstars in the higher division and not staking wins against weak opponents.

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As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

He doesn't need to be impressive against Japanese fighters as long as he is a worthy opponent, Casimero is a journeyman and has fought many ob his opponents' territories he likes to go to enemy territory and beat him to show how great he is.

Exactly, he needs to win impressively at 122 lbs so that he can have a crack against Inoue. One positive thing that goes with Casimero is that he has a Japanese manager so that might help him secure a fight with Inoue assuming that Inoue will not go up in weight after his fight with Akhmadaliev.

And then Casimero having a fight this year whoever it is as long as it is a good fighter or maybe in the top 5 and win impressively. Maybe that time Inoue and his camp will give him the chance to have a crack at the Japanese champion.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 18, 2024, 08:59:47 PM

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

Inoue already faced the best the Super Welterweight can offer there's no name here that can match up his power, skill, and speed I don't want to include Casimero although he is a worthy opponent, Team Inoue or any organization doesn't want anything to do with Casimero, he should move up and go against top superstars in the higher division and not staking wins against weak opponents.

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As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

He doesn't need to be impressive against Japanese fighters as long as he is a worthy opponent, Casimero is a journeyman and has fought many ob his opponents' territories he likes to go to enemy territory and beat him to show how great he is.

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As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

The last fight was just unfortunate as it ended at Technical Decision (draw), but prior to that, it was also a controversial fight but Casimero was declared as a winner by KO against Akaho. I think they should give Casimero a chance, and I believe if Inoue just like to fight a popular boxer, then I believe Casimero is more popular than the boxers he is planning to fight. It seems like they are punishing Casimero by not minding him as one of the challengers, and Inoue's camp can't blame some other Filipino fans of speculating that maybe he is just trying to avoid a boxer that could beat him.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

So he still has at least 2 fights in this division before going up in weight. And if that so happens, then there will be no Inoue vs Casimero fight. Just very unfortunate to not see it and I think we can all blame it to Inoue himself.

Nevertheless, this could be another great performance by Inoue against another great fighter. It's just the Akhmadaliev is lucky to have a crack at Inoue even though he doesn't have the belt anymore.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

Oh ok, but that can also be said against Tapales, although there could have been arguments that he has the belt, so I will get that one slide. However, it can also be said against Puma Nery, he was even ban in Japan, but then it was just uplifted just to give way for Inoue to fight him? Doesn't really make sense for that to bent the rule.
Anyhow, I still wished that they will go and fight Akhmadaliev as it will really close the book for Inoue at 122 lbs as he has beaten current and former world champion. Only Casimero remains in the background, but if they want to make money, Casimero might be a good candidate for his next fight as well as John Riel has the style and brandish and a trash talker.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

Sooner or later he will have to go up in weight, it's inevitable, and even he said that he will just stay here in this division and then go South next. And it seems that he has his hit list, including Akhmadaliev. Casimero will be the only one remaining, or the mandatory in Sam Goodman. But those two doesn't bring anything for Inoue so maybe after this fight he will go up to Featherweight and face the champion.

But the dream fight, will be Inoue vs Tank Davis in the US. For now though, it doesn't look feasible as Inoue is still way below in the weight class. However, everything is possible, I mean Manny vs Oscar Dela Hoya did happen, or Manny going up against a much bigger guy in Antonio Margarito.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

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Every commission has different rules though. This is why boxing is becoming the worse sport because these boxers can just refuse while they can hop from one organization to another. He could be moving up already to avoid this fight if they can't make money in fighting Akhmadaliev.

Akhmadaliev most probably is not worth for Inoue's camp especially if the opponent isn't worth watching. Casimero is also not as popular as Inoue. Inoue is the most popular in Japan and they need the fight to be hosted there.

Indeed but the basic and correct rules are always to strip a champion if he does not want to defend the belt against his mandatory. Only an injury can stop the commissions from stripping a champion because of failure to fight its mandatory. The corruption of the sport though is worsening. Maybe only the WBO is slightly reliable of the big 4.

I still hope Casimero gets the shot but I am hearing rumors of former champ, TJ Doheny getting a shot against Inoue. I am also curious of the reactions of the IBF and WBA who already have mandatory names but Inoue might take another opponent.

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 14, 2024, 11:43:58 AM

This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

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I don't think we need a poll for this fight, even if Inoue suffered a knockdown, it's a flash knockdown where the fighter gets a knockdown but was not visibly hurt or affected.

I don't think Akhmadaliev style and power can offer something different from what his past opponents whom he easily dispose.

Inoue will just add Akhmadaliev to boxers he dominated and knockout before going into the upper division, no one in his division can offer resistance to his domination in the division, the Casimero fight is not going to happen as the Inoue or all boxing organizations shut out a Casimero fight.

Yes, I think Inoue has seen what everyone can offer him at 122 lbs, except maybe Casimero, but as we have seen, Casimero doesn't deserved a fight with the Japanese at this point. Sam Goodman will be next for Inoue if he gets past Akhmadaliev and then fight other mandatories just to please the other governing bodies. or if he can't they can simply stripped him and then Inoue get focusing on one or two belts at least there is no pressure on him to fight like every 3-4 months as it is not possible at this era. And then after tht he could go up at 126 lbs and make things tough for him and then maybe go as high as 135 lbs for a potential superfight with Gervonta 'Tank' Davis.

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Quote from: livingfree on June 14, 2024, 08:29:10 PM

An order from WBA and I hope that they can order as well the venue of the fight and should be outside Inoue's home country. And that's just to shut the fans and his haters out that he can box outside his beloved country.

Is there any advantage if a boxer fights in their own country? I mean many don't want the style of Inoue where he only wants the venue to be in Japan, but is there any disadvantage to the opposing boxer aside from the crowd? Like you though, I also want the fight to be outside Japan because the fans in Japan are just too silent unlike the fans in other countries especially in the US of course. Cheesy

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This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

Casimero has been asking for the fight for a very long time already, but I just don't know why the organization doesn't want this fight to happen TBH. Casimero wants it, but Inoue is just ignoring him, signaling that he doesn't want to fight him. I mean it's just my 2 cents, but I'm thinking that Inoue sees Casimero as a threat, but on the other hand, Casimero needs to fight other boxers first before going to that title fight.

I don't think we need a poll for this fight, even if Inoue suffered a knockdown, it's a flash knockdown where the fighter gets a knockdown but was not visibly hurt or affected.

Well, that might be true, but that knockdown is a huge one for other boxers and they will think "If he can knock Inoue down, I think I can do it as well." Like you said though, it was a flash knockdown, and it looks like nothing happened after that.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:42:58 PM

I don't think that WBA or any governing body in boxing can force where the fight is going to happen. It really depends on who's promoter is going to win in the bid or what will happen on the negotiations before they put up a bid on public. They are just concern that the fight is going to happen based on their mandated rule and the date that they have set, in this case no later than September 25.

True that and I do not think there is a controversy if the opponent ends up being KO'ed since it is a clear indication that the winner has proven that he deserves the win. It will only became an issue if the fight ends up in a controversial decision. I believe it does not matter where the fight happens as long as the organizing body make sure that all is done in fair manner.

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Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

It's because Casimero has nothing not offer, he is not a champion anymore, and so far has lackluster performance at 122 lbs. He can't even score a knockout win in this new weight class and so the camp of Inoue is no longer interested.

It is a waste of time for Inoue to fight Casimero right now. I agree that Casimero needs to get some ranking level up or a title for him to get the attention of Inoues camp. I think his worth of fighting Inoue was gone when he lost his title after the governing body stripped him of his title in his previous weight division. If Casimero's ranking doesn't improve I believe we may not see Inoue's camp allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Casimero need to make his name sensational again by scoring KO's and underdog wins.

Akhmadalieve fighting Inoue is a better matchup than Inoue against Tapales, in my opinion. We might see a much more entertaining and exciting fight than Inoue-Tapales.

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Apparently, it will not be Akhmadaliev who is Inoue’s next opponent. It will be TJ Doheny.
Naoya Inoue Declines Mandatory, Plans for September Fight in Japan

Naoya's last five fights have been against either mandatories or other world champions. At this point, if he wants to take a tune-up against a highly rated challenger, he has earned that right.

Many people would still like to see Casimero against Inoue, but Casimero has been missing in action since that 4 round technical draw 8 months ago. This will be Inoue’s third fight in that same period. If Casimero doesn’t do something before the end of the year to position himself as Inoue’s next opponent, the opportunity might be gone for good.

So what happens to Inoue's mandatories if he wants to fight another name? The IBF and the WBA can strip him I guess? Unless the two sanctioning bodies will allow Inoue one more voluntary fight. Maybe they'll issue interim belts but hopefully they won't since they're useless anyways.

Casimero if he wants Inoue has be active. Only the WBO has no mandatory challenger at the moment and that's his biggest chance considering he is also a 3 division world champion. But seriously, I am not sure how the current version of Casimero fares against Inoue. I can only imagine another dominating performance by Inoue.

Every commission has different rules though. This is why boxing is becoming the worse sport because these boxers can just refuse while they can hop from one organization to another. He could be moving up already to avoid this fight if they can't make money in fighting Akhmadaliev.

Akhmadaliev most probably is not worth for Inoue's camp especially if the opponent isn't worth watching. Casimero is also not as popular as Inoue. Inoue is the most popular in Japan and they need the fight to be hosted there.

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Quote from: coin-investor on June 17, 2024, 08:27:26 AM

I don't think we need a poll for this fight, even if Inoue suffered a knockdown, it's a flash knockdown where the fighter gets a knockdown but was not visibly hurt or affected.

Agree. After that last fight of Inoue, though he got knock down but somehow he impressed the fans as he was able to stand up like nothing happened. We can see he really has the strenght and stamina that makes him more a complete fighter. So even if he'll get knock down in his upcoming fights, we won't be worried as we know he will come back to end the fight in a knock out. No boxer could beat Inoue in this division, but I only see casimero being the closest to Inoue despite Casimero's bad ranking.

Quote from: coin-investor on June 17, 2024, 08:27:26 AM

I don't think Akhmadaliev style and power can offer something different from what his past opponents whom he easily dispose.

Inoue will just add Akhmadaliev to boxers he dominated and knockout before going into the upper division, no one in his division can offer resistance to his domination in the division, the Casimero fight is not going to happen as the Inoue or all boxing organizations shut out a Casimero fight.

This guy loss to Marlon Tapales via split decision, if we use Tapales as a gauge, then we know what will happen, this will likely end in a brutal KO.

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I don't think we need a poll for this fight, even if Inoue suffered a knockdown, it's a flash knockdown where the fighter gets a knockdown but was not visibly hurt or affected.

I don't think Akhmadaliev style and power can offer something different from what his past opponents whom he easily dispose.

Inoue will just add Akhmadaliev to boxers he dominated and knockout before going into the upper division, no one in his division can offer resistance to his domination in the division, the Casimero fight is not going to happen as the Inoue or all boxing organizations shut out a Casimero fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 15, 2024, 01:02:29 AM

Apparently, it will not be Akhmadaliev who is Inoue’s next opponent. It will be TJ Doheny.
Naoya Inoue Declines Mandatory, Plans for September Fight in Japan

Naoya's last five fights have been against either mandatories or other world champions. At this point, if he wants to take a tune-up against a highly rated challenger, he has earned that right.

Many people would still like to see Casimero against Inoue, but Casimero has been missing in action since that 4 round technical draw 8 months ago. This will be Inoue’s third fight in that same period. If Casimero doesn’t do something before the end of the year to position himself as Inoue’s next opponent, the opportunity might be gone for good.

Hehehe why does Naoya Inoue want a tune up? The 2 fights he has done after Stephen Fulton were the tune up fights already hehehe. There is only 1 boxer who will not be very much boring for the fans and who will also help create the legacy of Inoue. This is Brandon Figueroa. He has mentioned in an interview that he will be move back to super bantamweight for a challenge against Inoue he they want to accept this. It was only Stephen Fulton who has given Figueroa his only loss in his record. Figueroa is also presently the champion of the WBC championship in featherweight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 15, 2024, 01:02:29 AM

Many people would still like to see Casimero against Inoue, but Casimero has been missing in action since that 4 round technical draw 8 months ago. This will be Inoue’s third fight in that same period. If Casimero doesn’t do something before the end of the year to position himself as Inoue’s next opponent, the opportunity might be gone for good.

Can't really deny that as Casimero does not maintain a good ranking in the same division. TJ Doheny is more deserving for a fight but I think Inoue is staying too long in this division. I mean, he had already unified all the belts, why not move up and challenge a champion?

Inoue staying here will only say that he isn't a risk taker, and the fact that he keeps fighting in Japan, it's unlikely that they'll beat the accomplishment of Pacman as a boxer. Bob said he was better than Pacman, then he should prove it.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 15, 2024, 01:02:29 AM

Apparently, it will not be Akhmadaliev who is Inoue’s next opponent. It will be TJ Doheny.
Naoya Inoue Declines Mandatory, Plans for September Fight in Japan

Naoya's last five fights have been against either mandatories or other world champions. At this point, if he wants to take a tune-up against a highly rated challenger, he has earned that right.

Many people would still like to see Casimero against Inoue, but Casimero has been missing in action since that 4 round technical draw 8 months ago. This will be Inoue’s third fight in that same period. If Casimero doesn’t do something before the end of the year to position himself as Inoue’s next opponent, the opportunity might be gone for good.

So what happens to Inoue's mandatories if he wants to fight another name? The IBF and the WBA can strip him I guess? Unless the two sanctioning bodies will allow Inoue one more voluntary fight. Maybe they'll issue interim belts but hopefully they won't since they're useless anyways.

Casimero if he wants Inoue has be active. Only the WBO has no mandatory challenger at the moment and that's his biggest chance considering he is also a 3 division world champion. But seriously, I am not sure how the current version of Casimero fares against Inoue. I can only imagine another dominating performance by Inoue.

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Apparently, it will not be Akhmadaliev who is Inoue’s next opponent. It will be TJ Doheny.
Naoya Inoue Declines Mandatory, Plans for September Fight in Japan

Naoya's last five fights have been against either mandatories or other world champions. At this point, if he wants to take a tune-up against a highly rated challenger, he has earned that right.

Many people would still like to see Casimero against Inoue, but Casimero has been missing in action since that 4 round technical draw 8 months ago. This will be Inoue’s third fight in that same period. If Casimero doesn’t do something before the end of the year to position himself as Inoue’s next opponent, the opportunity might be gone for good.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:42:58 PM

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Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

It's because Casimero has nothing not offer, he is not a champion anymore, and so far has lackluster performance at 122 lbs. He can't even score a knockout win in this new weight class and so the camp of Inoue is no longer interested.

Yeah, that's why Inoue is picky and even if Casimero keeps on inviting him to fight him and face his challenge, Inoue doesn't just want to.

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WBA has step in, they want Inoue to fight his mandatory and they have given the two parties dates and negotiation or else there will be a purse bid. Usually though, the promoters of this two are going to try to outbid each other so in any case it will still happen.

Although there is history of some bodies not forcing a mandatory when there is a big fight by the champion. But in this case this is what fight fans are also looking for, former champion vs Inoue and Akhmadaliev has redeemed himself already after he lost to Tapales and has been calling Inoue for years.

That's nice of them.

They just want to give it to the fans and this should be settled soon. We need them to be like this at all times and it shouldn't only with this fight of Inoue and Akhmadaliev.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 14, 2024, 08:42:58 PM

I don't think that WBA or any governing body in boxing can force where the fight is going to happen. It really depends on who's promoter is going to win in the bid or what will happen on the negotiations before they put up a bid on public. They are just concern that the fight is going to happen based on their mandated rule and the date that they have set, in this case no later than September 25.

Quote from: livingfree on June 14, 2024, 08:29:10 PM

An order from WBA and I hope that they can order as well the venue of the fight and should be outside Inoue's home country. And that's just to shut the fans and his haters out that he can box outside his beloved country.

Anyway, this is just going to be a month of negotiations and a very mandatory fight. If WBA steps in, no one can stop them and I hope that they'd regulate and order more with these kind of fights.

Quote from: livingfree on June 14, 2024, 08:29:10 PM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

It's because Casimero has nothing not offer, he is not a champion anymore, and so far has lackluster performance at 122 lbs. He can't even score a knockout win in this new weight class and so the camp of Inoue is no longer interested.

So I thought the IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman who entered the ring during the Inoue-Nery fight is next for the Japanese superstar. Anyways, the WBA also has its own mandatory and it's former unified champ, Murodjon Akhmadaliev. I haven't saw Akhmadaliev get hurt in the past and we'll see if Inoue has the power to do it. But even if Inoue cannot stop Akhmadaliev, he should be able to win a decision as he is the quicker of the two.

After this, it'll be Sam Goodman for sure unless Inoue decides to move up to 126. After Goodman, Casimero has the chance unless Inoue moves up in weight. I noticed only the WBO has no mandatory at 122, maybe Casimero has to try to be active and request the WBO to give him an eliminator and the winner gets a shot at the belt.

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An order from WBA and I hope that they can order as well the venue of the fight and should be outside Inoue's home country. And that's just to shut the fans and his haters out that he can box outside his beloved country.

Anyway, this is just going to be a month of negotiations and a very mandatory fight. If WBA steps in, no one can stop them and I hope that they'd regulate and order more with these kind of fights.

Quote from: livingfree on June 14, 2024, 08:29:10 PM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

WBA has step in, they want Inoue to fight his mandatory and they have given the two parties dates and negotiation or else there will be a purse bid. Usually though, the promoters of this two are going to try to outbid each other so in any case it will still happen.

Although there is history of some bodies not forcing a mandatory when there is a big fight by the champion. But in this case this is what fight fans are also looking for, former champion vs Inoue and Akhmadaliev has redeemed himself already after he lost to Tapales and has been calling Inoue for years.

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I don't think that WBA or any governing body in boxing can force where the fight is going to happen. It really depends on who's promoter is going to win in the bid or what will happen on the negotiations before they put up a bid on public. They are just concern that the fight is going to happen based on their mandated rule and the date that they have set, in this case no later than September 25.

An order from WBA and I hope that they can order as well the venue of the fight and should be outside Inoue's home country. And that's just to shut the fans and his haters out that he can box outside his beloved country.

Anyway, this is just going to be a month of negotiations and a very mandatory fight. If WBA steps in, no one can stop them and I hope that they'd regulate and order more with these kind of fights.

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Casimero is ready to fight him but it seems that Inoue doesn't want to, is that right?

It's because Casimero has nothing not offer, he is not a champion anymore, and so far has lackluster performance at 122 lbs. He can't even score a knockout win in this new weight class and so the camp of Inoue is no longer interested.

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An order from WBA and I hope that they can order as well the venue of the fight and should be outside Inoue's home country. And that's just to shut the fans and his haters out that he can box outside his beloved country.

Anyway, this is just going to be a month of negotiations and a very mandatory fight. If WBA steps in, no one can stop them and I hope that they'd regulate and order more with these kind of fights.