Topic: [Inquiry from admin] Unit evil decay on reversed bans (Read 264 times)

There might not be a resounding answer to this unless from the admin. But I want to relate some real life instances to this;

A man commits murder and was arrested and taken to the law Court. The judge was able to establish his case that there was actually a murder case, but the murderer asked for mercy, by saying that he committed murder out of self defence. The judge considered him and discharged him. Will the case file of the murderer be removed automatically and disposed or will it be in the archive of the court?

Any student that disobeys the school authority would be dismissed. And if you are dismissed, you will not be admitted in the school again, or you will need to pay a fresh school fees. Then, Mr. Bayo disobeys the school authority, but instead of being dismissed he was lucky to get 1 month suspension. On returning in the next month, is he supposed to pay a new school fees?

As far as I know evil score does NOT change when an account is unbanned.
It just decays over time...

I am not sure if units of evil are removed from IP/ranges when a ban is reversed, or not.

In either case, the effect of a single ban is very small, and it is unusual for bans to get reversed when compared to the total number of bans issued (there are thousands of bans issued for things like spambots). I don't think it would be very common for someone to have to pay a fee in order to register due to a single erroneous ban.

Most units of evil are the result of spambots.

My understanding is that a unit of evil is applied to the IP/range as of the time the ban is applied. I understand that a signature ban is typically applied in addition to a temp ban that is much longer than the temp ban, and is given as a way to allow someone to continue posting, but not to be able to advertise in their signature.

I read the entire post you quoted, and I think you are reading the information incorrectly. If you create an account, and due to your registration IP address, you need to pay a fee of x BTC, this amount will remain static, even if a long period of time elapses and no additional accounts in the IP/range are banned.

This could result in someone creating an account one day, being asked to pay a fee of x BTC, never pay the fee, and months later, create a second account using the same IP address, and not being asked to pay a fee to be allowed the post. The first account would be unable to post until the fee is paid, or is whitelisted.

It seems my inquiry is being misunderstood. I'm not referring to a new account which accumulates evil points from the IP address, those accounts do not add to the units of evil.
I'm asking for banned accounts; When an account is banned there is no option to pay a fee or be whitelisted, and the ban adds to the unit of evil associated with the IP, so the next time a new user is registering they may have to pay a fee or get whitelisted.

In a situation where a user is banned and adds to the evil point, and is then later unbanned, does the units of evil added get deducted?

NO, AFAIK when the ban is lifted from the account by paying the fees or adding the account manually to whitelist, the change occurs at the account level and not the IP address. Meaning that even if you paid the fees or were whitelisted manually and logged in with the same previous IP, you will be banned again if it has high evil points.

If this is true, the order will apply to banning signatures from permanent to temporary.

I tend to believe the evil points remain.
The evil points are associated with an IP. The ban is associated with a profile UID.

For example if a new account is created and receives a proxyban by default that user can be whitelisted/unbanned, but the evil points are not erased. If he/she were to create another user from the same tainted IP that one would be proxybanned as well .

So yeah... pretty sure unbanning does not reduce the evil point score.

I'm aware of this, my inquiry is on when an account is banned and the ban is then reversed.
When an account is banned, the units of evil associated with its IP increases, would those units added to the IP be reduced if the ban is reversed?
I'm asking this cause; the amount of evil points affects new users registering from that IP. If the ban was recent, the fee paid would be higher, so it's fitting to reduce them when bans are reversed.

AFAIK, there are two types of Evil Points, one is associated with your IP address (that used to create the account,) and other for your account.
Evil Points associated with your IP address diminish over time unlike the Account Points.
So when an account is banned, those points are added to the IP address and changed over time unless you are included in the whitelist.
As for the account points, they remain permanent.


I also think that small amounts add to IP subnet

You can pay evil fee with Copper membership or send a whitelisting request but the evil point on IP address only decays with time.

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Great question because it was not discussed before. I think there is no rule about it and from what I knew, it is applied for permabans.

I am curious to know if units of evil associated with an account reduces when a decision is reversed;

When an account is banned, a certain level of evil points is linked to that IP to dissuade ban evasions, affecting users using than or similar ip addresses.
Now in some outlier cases, bans have been reversed after a while to less restrictive punishments or none at all; in such situations are the evil points which were added removed automatically, or the have to decay as normal after a longer while?

Also, does signature ban or temporary ban affect the evil points?