Topic: Instutions and whales buying assets now on ground floor (Read 195 times)

Bitcoin has a capitalization of over $1 trillion and accounts for 50% of the total cryptocurrency market capitalization. That is a very large number, but compared to other financial markets such as stocks with a capitalization of more than 100 trillion, gold more than 15 trillion, or even bitcoin which is smaller than the capitalization of a technology company like Apple, Nvidia...has a capitalization of more than 3 trillion. Bitcoin is still very small in the international market and manipulation is not too difficult.

Not to mention, is there any guarantee that powerful organizations such as the Fed, the government... will not participate in this game? And for them, just releasing a few pieces of news is more than enough to manipulate the market for their own profit.

I do not deny that bitcoin is based on supply and demand but it would be correct to talk about the long term, in the short term it is inevitable that there will be manipulation by some organizations. Furthermore, a market that does not have many regulations and remains unregulated would be ideal for whales because manipulation is much easier, they will not miss this opportunity.

I think they can always produce fud and bad news to drive the price falling deeper and create fear it will require no capital but even then it also requires a bad news to start with.
manipulating with capital I think is kinda impossible if done simply by just dumping or buying coin, but if it's accompanied by some really bad news I guess it can affect market to some extent.
however most of the institutional investors just seem to keep buying and not really affecting the price overall.

the entire market I think is simply driven by the market fear index as well as the bad news and good news so far.
just like how BTC bounced when german tried to buy back bitcoin and try to settle things over the counter.

Alot of the buyers are companies who wish to represent others in their holding and charge a percentage on operating a BTC holding in a variety of ways.  If it was a casino set of games, they want to be the house running that game not the player exactly as its a more certain business to them.

Big banks have been involved with tech before, Goldman Sachs was involved with Tencent at their very beginning and they quadrupled their money.   However with those profits they then sold out their share, they didnt hold forever because it was just a trade to them.   If they had just held the investment would have been over ten times their entire banks worth in future but it was not obvious at that point.   

And that is the supply and demand principle in play. Definitely, when there is significant demand from the market, the price will eventually rise up because we know very well that the bitcoin's supply is fixed. So it is only a matter of when it will increase depending on the market performance.

Also, as you said, price manipulation in btc is quite hard because you need very large capital just to make a dent on its market. Therefore, hard to implement the wash trading technique in btc market. Whereas, if you talk about small cap coins, even the devs can create a sudden pump because they only need small amount of money to manipulate its market.

There are some assets and some low-cap cryptocurrencies that a resourceful institution can manipulate to a certain extent. But BTC market capitalization is too high for such things. Buying when the price gets lower is a reasonable strategy, and anyone who has money is welcome to try it. But driving the price down artificially? I don't believe it's possible with Bitcoin, not on a meaningful scale. Some may just take advantage of situations that are already going on, including buying BTC when the price is down. But then if there's a significant buying activity following a price dip, it drives the price back up.

The elevator is on the way down right now, so it's a bad time to be guessing what the whales are doing. In fact some of the biggest whales around have indicated that they are looking to cash out very soon. Take the mount gox administrators for example, they are currently indicating that they would like to offload 50k bitcoin into the market which will put some kind of drag on the price. Combine that with the US and German governments who have accrued sizable holdings for different reasons, that also wish to sell off. Trend lines on the currency are pushing downwards right now, so crypto in general may be going through a period of dropping and consolidation before it starts going up again.

just plainly put: one bitcoin at 55.000 x 300 000, one BTC gets back to 60.000 it is a earning 5000 x for each (300 000) equals $1.500.000.000.
Or betting on the opposite, you place less money and pay the vig. make thus even more.

That's a bit too far from current price, even more after the recent dip; btw, do you know how to keep track of their  buying activity? Do you know if they continue buying these days?


What do you mean when you say "2 to 5000 in Price"? I don't get your reasoning if you mean what I'm thinking.

Then, I suggest more analysis before making claims based on weak premises and inadequate research.

Institutional investors and whales in general have always manipulated Bitcoin market to instill fear among investors and crashes in price. It has been their method since the beginning of this industry, although volatility right now is much lower than it used to be in the previous decade. Early investors learned how to deal with this frequent scenario by just being patient and calm to not get triggered by those manipulators.

That is why the goals of a Bitcoin investor should be aimed for the long term. There isn't overnight safe profit here. When someone decides to invest in BTC, his mindset and schedules have to be prepared for a potential scenario where he could need holding his portfolio for few years at least. That is enough time for Bitcoin to move along its cycle of highs and lows.

This way, it's possible to overcome the negative effects of market's manipulation by whales and still make considerable profits from it. The problem is that many people are giving up on the opportunity they have to invest in BTC, completely leaving the opportunity for institutional investors who are already taking charge of Bitcoin market in large scale.

Political declarations are about as much worth as the business declaration of a fortune 500 company.
Close to cero value.

knowing that so many of these big institutions are bullish in their stance with bitcoin investment, they are for sure buying up bitcoin on ground floor.
probably the recent short squeeze is clear proof of that fact.

blackrock literally calling bitcoin a hedge against poltical instability means that they gonna invest in bitcoin no matter what since that's pretty much sums up their view.
the retailer with paper hand could only sell their bitcoin and transfer it to the vault of these big institutions at the end of the day. as it seems, those big institutions always getting profit massively for a reason .
the fact that these big institutions keep buying bitcoin as an investment should honestly eliminate fear from the retailer investor but many are still so afraid of investing in bitcoin for long term.

With their amount in BTC Blackrock does not need to wait till BTC reaches 300k
With 300+ Thousand Bitcoins and 2 to 5000 in Price , well they make a fortune.

What the blackrock doing its they buying all the supply of btc then maybe probably at 300k they will dump their bags. 
So they want to dump it when it will hit hardest and by that time Everybody Will be out of money and in debt.

People clapped and screamed hurray from the top of their lungs.
They didn't know what they wished for. The whale game is now a top roller game.
No safeguards in place for whaling, a flaw in the design. 

They have a lot money to buy assets like btc from the ground floor.
The sideways Market of btc indicates that exacly.
Im not expert Im just newbie but i have analytical mind i think they keep it sideways market to buy up most of the supply and they want that old holders of btc Will sell also finally and generally they want to get weak hands out of assets because they are not healthy for Market anyways.
Once they get their hands on assets they just don't sell it even If the fed will keep rates higher and other central Bank rates don't go much lower the big instutions have used the "biden airdrop covid19" funds to buy up all the supply so once they own most of the assets we can only dream about that prices will fall it's a nice dream only because when big financial instutions own the assets they not starving lol ...so they never need to sell their assets.
What i think that btc can go from here easy to few hundred thousends.
Off course at some point they sell it but they sell when they have made a lot more money then they have invested but off course they don't sell once with big orders once top of the market is near they start selling little by little while good news and positive retail fomo will be going on.
Imagine what the altcoinsi and meme coins will do it i guess many investors life will be changing in one year a lot.
So i guess we gona have situation when people look at their life no Jobs and economy is down but btc keep going higher and higher it doesnt make sense for people so they watch btc and cryptocurrency...they might not Jump in when price 100-200k but If they see btc keep going higher and higher so when 300k+ Im sure they will jump in and why they do that it's because it's a last hope and atleast some action the movement while a lot economical sectors will be just on stand by.