Topic: invest in my gambling (Read 3490 times)

lol why we must invest on you? And believe on you?
We never know you and your skill gambling
better we play itself than we have to lose our money on you

You're just a newbie how can we believe you in that thing even you said you the most popular gambler player in the world then how if id say to you that im the boss of the boss would you believe me too? We can gamble or our own sake and we enjoy the entire game without the help of others.

how much profit every day every week every month
and where your portofilo your gambling

You should change gambler to beggar 

gambling never pay off, i did it for some time, wined many times big amount, but lost more many times, so at the end house alvays takes our money if we do not stop

What is your pokerstars player ID, and what was your nick in that site you had played? I want to check your statistic on sharkscope and pokerstars. But tbh, this look like begging for money to gamble, and i am 100% sure investment in gambler is never good idea.

not plan how much profit every day, every week, or every month
not portofilo
i join your investment i think is very underlow is brain to think about investment

Sure, let me exchange my 1kg of Gold. I'll come back later and give you the loan.

I don't know who are they trying to lie to, it even says under their name 'TRADE WITH EXTREME CAUTION'. Why would you even trade with such guys.

i think is nothing interest your investment
account newbie, not portofolio only write open investment

Invest in your gambling omg what a smart investment that would be, there are so many better things I can invest in that some random guy on bitcointalk gambling.  How about I just gamble myself and have some fun instead of having some guy just run off with my money lmao

not guaranted maybe your send bitcoin is op run is your capital money
and nothing placed bet your bitcoin

That is a bad way to gamble when you are taking loans just to do your gambling, if you think you can win in gambling then you should set up an amount for your bankroll and treat it as your investment that you will use throughout your gambling sessions, taking loans is a desperate move and you cannot assure you will profit from gambling so basically more bigger problem will arise.

your garanted my capital money or not
if win behalf, and lost your guranted or not

If you was a successful gambler you wouldnt have to beg for a loan. Admit it your just lying to yourself that one day you will win back all the money you have lost.

It appears our money is more valuable than your time.

No one is going to give you anything until you prove you ar worth their time by showing how you are a good investment.

I would suggest starting by explaining why you can't use the money you claim to have won the last time someone staked you to play poker. The answer to that question will be a very good first step to figuring out fi this is a good deal or not.

Yes I am looking for an investor, but investor based games are ponzi schemes.  this is nothing like that.  virtually every enterprise has an investor.

and no, im not going to do any of that.  my time is valuable and your suggestions are stupid.

Yes it is.  The game is gambling, and you are looking for investors.

The risks are too high because you're a newbie in the forum.  What did you expect people to think?  You think you're just going to be able to get trusting investors?  What have you done in this forum?  Have you made any investment in this forum yourself? 

This is advice for starting over, because you were too quick to ask for investors:

1) Start a new account.

2)  Post helpful posts.  You know a s*load about gambling it seems.  Why not help other gamblers out with pro tips and insights?

3)  As you develop some kind of name, you might want to buy something from someone on the forum from someone who has green with a decent number.  Talk about gamble, take one yourself- send payment without using escrow.  That will help establish you as trusting.

4)  Once you become a member, then, MAYBE you ask for investors, but make it small and limited.  Ask for reputable members of the forum to invest just a little.  wait for their feedback.

5) Slowly add more investors while working out the kinks.

6) Grow your business slowly, but steadily, and you will become successful.

This is not an 'investor based game'.

Those prediction guys are scams inho.
They hope you win so you think they know what they are doing and you give them some of the cash.

It looks like someone is crying



there is no coins for you

Mr. Professional gambler

Maybe you have invested in gambling professionals and you are not seeing any positive from them. You have never tried my tipping service ,cause if you had now you would be in a really nice profit now. I invite you to do so.

I have already invested in different gambling professionals but I am not getting a positive from doing it. I know why they are doing it because they just want to transfer the risk to us, and they receive income whether we lose or win because we avail of their services.

Ill do it myself lmao no need ur hell thanks :p

Lol a whiny degenerate. If you're so good in gambling then use your own funds and build it up from there.

Yea, we're the lame ones. Not the guy who abandoned the thread for a month and didn't do shit to prove that this would be a good investment.

so nobody wants to invest?  lame.

Op you have to satisfy the request of the people in your thread in order for you to get a client to invest in your gambling skills, this is because most people don't easily trust anyone in this forum due to scammers are all over the place watching us.

no assurance even you show that you have a video but the investment would not be secure from you sir, if you can make that winning why are you asking for the money from us, if really have that skills you can use a escrow put at least half on the pot then req  the half will see if you can generate winnings.

The most important question is:

Why you came to ask for money to members to play and share the profits?

you are a professional player you should have much money, so much money that would not ask anyone here

Why reason you came to ask for money to members here?

i think you didn't read the topic here.
there is a double wrong situation going on here.

OP is practically saying give me your money and i will gamble with it and we share in profit/loss. and he doesn't have any history or trust either.

I dont think its a really sound idea to  invest in gambling

If you are investing in your gambling than you are really risky because you never know what will happen with gambling and the chance is also high that you are going to lose.
And losing in gambling happens more often than winning so it is really risky.

Really? then why you are hiding in a newbie account. If your word is legit you dont need to hide your high rank I guess. Even if your a high rank or even a reputable member here you cant just make them invest their btc into you so gamble it so easily. They will take a double risk if they do it unlike if they played it on their own its just a single risk. Hope you get my point.

I never said it was easy. it is extremely difficult to find good bets. That is why there aren't a zillion professional sports bettors and poker players, because it is very hard to find the good bets.

Any bet you make on a dice site, is by definition, a bad bet for you and a good bet for the house. Your bet has a negative expectation, their bet has a positive expectation. You need luck to win, they don't.

Winning in gambling is difficult because you have to consider different angles specially in sports betting. In dice maybe a different thing compared to sports. Dice is boring if you play it all day but it you are lucky you can take big money. (Consistency is the key)

There are plenty of people that do. They invest in (and sometimes teach) other people to play poker, and then take a cut of their winnings. Antonio Esfandiari did not pay all 1 million to get into the one drop tournament when "he" won 18 million in that tournament, he split the winnings with his backers. The guy that won the WSOP main event last year split the money with the people that paid for him to get in.

I doubt "big time investors" would be investing much in this particular scheme involving $5 buy in cash games, but people can and do do this all the time, with good poker players.

This is ridiculous.
If it is just math, then why are there some big time investor using this in a scheme..?
Correct it doesn't work like that. Pretending it works like that shows you are from the other side..

very agree with you because if OP always win during a gamble i'm so sure that he is very rich do not begging here
because it's very useless and nobody will trust OP here

People need to stop saying shit like this.

Gambling is 100% math based. Casinos are gambling and they won't/don't lose. If you make mathematically bad bets, you need luck to win

 If you make mathematically good bets (which casinos and good poker and sports bettors do) you do not need luck.

i am also the same way, i want to experience the fun and excitement of gambling. i don't want to give my money to someone else to take this experience away from me.
besides if i were looking for profit i would have chosen a lot of other things instead of gambling and its high risks.

Gambling for me is fun. I would like to gamble myself because any professional gambler cant deny the fact that its 100% luck based and anyone and everyone can loose and in fact will loose one day or other.

Actual good poker players get staked into games all the time.

The guy who won the WSOP main event did not pay the 10k to get in, someone else did and collected much of the winnings.

I can think of reasons why that guy, even though he is good at poker couldn't/wouldn't front 10k to get into one poker tournament.

I am having trouble coming up with reasons why someone who is good at poker can't/won't buy himself into a $5 buy in cash game.

Usually this type of strategy is used when you know someone with extra high skill and he is able to make profit in your stead by playing with your money.
This however is only possible in games which requires a lot of skill and I would only consider trying that in Poker, you can't really ask someone to play DICE or roulette for you.

Are you serious? I never heard for something like this before. Why would anyone give money for gambling to someone else and to gamble that money himself?
How to understand this, like a loan or investment? Or its just a gift.. Maybe you have references but there is no guarantee in gambling.
I saw all comments but I didn't see that anyone give you money from here (maybe I didn't saw good).

Gambling is all about luck. Are you trying to say that you are a lucky person. No one is going to trust a newbie like you, so.......

professional gambler player use their own money to play gambling is just for fun for the people who want to enjoy and can show us some prof that you grow some money?

Yeah, only the picks provider will get rich because every time they have picks they charge us win or lost. I am thinking of doing this kind of business because this is a risk free type. but I doubt if people will believe me. LOL

It is right, gambling is just for playing games for entertainment, people want to play games and get entertained, so for them there are a large number of games available some are free and for some the providers charge some money.

Well it's better to bet our own bitcoin than giving someone who calls their self a professional gambler. As a gambler myself I know that the risk on betting my own bitcoin is more fair than letting someone which can be lose after I give it to him.

I am very glad that there is a professional gambler who provide services for us who want to use it, but I think if you are already a professional gambler, why are you not using the techniques that you have for your own benefit ..?? isn't it far more profitable to yourself..?? . And if the reason you want to help us, help us about the techniques that you use so you can claim that you have been a professional gambler or more details give us the science of being a professional gambler

Can you prove in some way that is really you in that video? In any case, it's very suspicious for a newbie to come here and ask for people to invest.

It is not that easy to earn some money with gambling indeed, as you can see you see that there are also a lot of people that is still losing a lot of money with gambling.
And you have to be lucky indeed with gambling otherwise you will lose a lot of money.

Yes, you have to show some proves of your growing bankroll and have to show us that you are now a rich person with playing gambling, But !!! if you really are a good gambler and have won a lot then why you are wasting your time for playing for other, you have money you won so play to increase your money more.

here is a video I made a few years ago discussing some no limit hold'em situations that arose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=WyQtAPTqLv4

whether people will believe. a newbie says "I am a professional gambler" and without any proof. I do not think so.
at least you can prove your record, it might be a lot of people who believe in and try to invest.

maybe you should first hang around in the forum for a while and turn that 14 activity into 140 activity and change that Newbie status to a higher rank then ask for investment in your pocket.

Show us proof of your losses.

perhaps you might need to proof in the way like, perhaps making a video or some testimonial from others, in order to let people to trust you

Lol you seriously think anyone will give you money to gamble? i certainly not. you say you're a professional gambler then you must have hundreds of bitcoins right, why asking us for money?
show us the proofs of your winnings.

Wow this is really disrespectful to the users of the forum i usually dont like down talking on anyone but is this guy really serious about asking someone to invest in his gambling dude fyi there is alot of intelligent users on here that look out for scammers and this got that written all over it. First of all if your a professional gambler you wouldnt need people to invest unless its high stakes gambling and you dont got enough to buyin but your talking about low stakes here your story make no sense plus this is something you ask people you know not bunch of strangers you never met its clear that you didnt think this through I honestly wish you the best good luck buddy

No one can guarantee profit.

Relying only on luck in games like poker where there are good and bad strategies is stupid. If you are good at poker, you are more likely to win. Investing in a good poker player is not the stupidest idea in the world. Still unsure if this a good investment or not.

Newbie member asking for investment to gamble and give fixed return, sounds really fishy. Nobody gonna trust you bro, you should atleast provide detail about your plan or atleast your past work detail on OP.

However truth is nobody even big gambler can't gaurantee profit on gambling, it totally depends upon luck and not upon strategy. I will suggest everybody not to make follish move and give him bitcoin in a hope of return. Be careful guys.

Doing it with dice is stupid because you can't beat dice.

Doing it in poker can make sense in some situations because some people can win at poker.

Whether or not doing it in this particular situation is still up for debate.

I can come up with reasons why someone who is good at poker needs money from someone else to get into a big cash game or a big tournament. Why someone would need this method for the microstakes requires an explanation that hasn't been provided yet.

It's very difficult to beat sports betting; the markets are too efficient for practically everyone to overcome the vig.  Lots of people who pretend they can beat it though.  The best way to make money off sports is to book the bets.

I am pretty sure you will not find many people willing to invest in you, I have been showing this forum consisent wins 35 wins and 14 losses out of 49 games(sports book average odd 1.55), yet they don't think I am good tipster for them, so good luck finding someone willing to invest in you.

THis is not new , Many people have tried to do this before , I have seen a person who shared some dice stats and asked people to invest in it , HE said he will give back 30% per hour , DOnt believe in all this .  dont fall to this .

If you are investing in gambling than you have to be lucky to have some profit with gambling because the chance is small to win in gambling it is namely risky for everyone.
Gambling is is only made for fun and some people think that you can be rich with gambling.

here you can see some video of my play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkzPdt_cm2U

yes true, at least as you CarlesPuyol made a thread about the prediction, so I believe if you really are a professional gambler with transparent results.

yah I hadn't given much thought to that, but it might pose some issues especially since I have never used bitcoin. But I'm definitely open to the idea of playing on a bitcoin supported site.  As a libertarian I'm pro bit coin.  One thing we could try too, just to limit the risk on the part of the investor, is they could invest just 1 or 2 buy ins for the lowest stake on a bitcoin site.  This would probably be an investment of as little as $1 or $2 USD.  Of course you wouldn't expect to make much from this investment, and I probably wouldn't be able to devote more than half an hour a day to it, but it is an idea anyway. Actually it could be a nice challenge to see how much bitcoin I could run up from such a small amount.

From what I know pokerstars is not accepting bitcoin as payment. So you expect someone send you money via bitcoin tranfer, you will exchange it to FIAT and then play on pokerstars with it.
Then if you win you will convert it back to BTC and send it back? Couldn't you try to play on bitcoin accepting poker sites?

I think you need to prove yourself first that you are good in gambling. The best thing you can do right now is sell your picks  through sports betting. If you can share your picks in a daily basis for free that would be better so you can build your reputation. It is really hard to trust people these days because scammers are all around this forum just watching us.Good luck

$75-$100 if 1000 members here joined you and you just disappear in no time what will happen? we lose right away right? if you really wanted us to believed you prove yourself mate. if you really can make our money wins might be
better to bet with you after proving yourself.

Where did the 3k you won with your backer go?

Poker staking is a better idea than lots of the other horseshit I've seen on this forum, but I really would question someone who isn't able to stake themselves for a game this small.

First I'd just like to thank everyone for participating so far, this has been a fun and I think beneficial discussion.  There are two things I would like to address at this time.  The first is the question of edge, advantage and skill in poker and the second is the topic of variance and reasonable expectations with regards to short and long term results.  First, edge.  Edge can be defined as the advantage one gambler enjoys over another. You may have heard the term 'House Edge' with refers to the advantage the house holds in a particular table game (.5% for blackjack, 1% for the pass bet in caps, 5.5% for most bets in America Roulette). The essence of being a winning gambler is making positive expectation bets (and of course the corollary to this, avoiding any negative expectation bets).  Hence forth I will refer to expectation (more exactly, expected value) as EV. The EV of most wagers can be determined either through mathematical analysis or brute force simulation. This is not really the case with poker, which has a tremendous amount of variables, and a rich and detailed strategic depth matched only by the most complicated games (if indeed it even is).  Most of poker's complexity lies in the fact that it is a game of incomplete information.

My play is fundamentally adaptive.  I don't really have a 'style' or strategy.  What I aim to do is to understand my opponents and to exploit their weaknesses.  For example some players are incredibly passive.  They are loathe to bet or raise.  Instead they prefer to call or fold.  This is a very easy style to beat, since you can take free showdowns at will and punish them with your strong hands and strong draws.  Unfortunately it's tough to get a nice heads up game against a loose passive player, but if you are vigilant you will find some of these and they are basically free money. Other players compulsively bluff, and then of course you should take some lines check call lines to induce when it is reasonable. Adapting to your opponent's play is important.  So is focusing on what is going on at the table (only play 1 table, and make sure you are in a room without any distractions when you play, never browse or anything like that, always focus on what is going on and what your opponents are doing).

So as to expectations.  I think a fairly reasonable expectation is that I will win at a rate of say 13 big blinds per hour.  So playing at $10 PLO with a bankroll of $250 that would be $1.3 / hr.  But there would be fluctuations, where winning or losing $10-$30 in one day is very common, and where winning or losing $50-$100 in one day is less common but possible.  But in the long run we would expect to win roughly $1.3 / hr at PLO 10 and $3.25 / hr at PLO 25.  And I'm basing these estimates on the > 100k hands played at these limits within the last 6 months.

This is like investing in a stock.  On a day to day basis it can increase or decrease in value, but by implementing a move down upon losing plan you can keep the actual ROR (Risk of Ruin, chance of busting) to a fraction of 1%.

I am planning to play specifically micro to low stakes pot limit omaha cash games on Pokerstars.  These are games with a buy in between $10 and $100.  My edge comes from a number of things.  I game select religiously.  By choosing to play only against people who are 'bad' at poker I can win at a higher rate than someone who is not selective about their games. My software tracks how much money people lose, and I use that to determine where I should be playing, or not playing. I spent my entire adult life studying poker in all it's forums; my opponents are just trying to blow off some steam or relax after they are out of work.

I am a Math Major and i grad from one of the world top 10 university. I know how to calculate the odds of winning at any one point of time so winning more than half of the time in poker etc is reasonable for me.

So what games are you planning to play and how are you going to ensure that you will end up winning most of the time?

tred : poker, I don't know anything about handicapping sports.

So if you always win why are you begging ?

have to say you are super lucky to be able to still play on stars,, great site

Poker or Sports?

I play on Pokerstars.  $75 would represent 15 buy ins for .02/.05 ($5 PLO).  While this is still a somewhat risky (I estimate ROR to be 5%, although that can be mitigated significantly with a plan to move down to PLO 2 @ say $40) my point was more to demonstrate that we could get started for a relatively minor investment rather than to suggest that exact course of action.

so where do u play at as reg.
 not sure that $75 dollars is even close to enough for those stakes you say u r playing, unless of course you are just sitting back and waiting..
  so what are your screen names so u can be looked up on sharkscope and other sites?
   are u playing Bovada at all as i play there several hours a day and nothing u have said resembles any player there.
 i was supernova elite on stars for years till Black Friday ruined it for players like me in the states.
  let me know where you play as a reg, i will gladly sit down at the table and watch your action, and if u r good like u say u r i will gladly play at your table.

https://imgur.com/a/xJqlV

A fair point.  My strongest game right now is PLO cash.  In dec. of 2015 I was staked to play PLO cash and did pretty well, winning for my backer 3k (and 3k for myself).   As you can see in the above screenshots I've been winning at a statistically significant sample size for PLO levels .10/.25 - .5/1.  I use an aggressive game selection methodology "bum hunting" as well as the myriad skill set that every professional player has at their disposal.  I observe my opponents carefully.  Sometimes I'll be in a three handed game with two fish, and I do something I call 'opposition research', which is I flip through all the hands I have on them in hold'em manager, often hundreds, in order to pick up patterns.  Some people never bluff, or don't value bet light; if they don't value bet light, but then are somewhat aggressive, you have to wonder, is he a frequent bluffer?  I adapt to fish and crush them.  I'll sit alone at 24 tables, if a reg sits I sit out, if a fish sits I'll play and sit out my other 23 tables (sometimes I wait to get 2 heads up games vs fish just so I can quit if a reg sits).

We could get started for as little a $75 USD (a somewhat risky 'hail mary' 15 buy in bankroll for PLO 5).  This is a great investment for whoever chooses it because you are only risking whatever $75 or $150 USD.  I am going to inputting 40-50+ hours a week.  And over time your investment will snowball, as I safely move up limits and reinvest our winnings.

Like many things in life, it is very easy to gamble, and very difficult to do it well. 

LOL, professional poker players use their own money. Why would you give your winnings to someone else instead of keeping it? I guess you lost your money.

Maybe they are only loosing 
But about the thread, you have to show us some proves of your growing bankroll.

why would people trust you to gamble using their money when they can just do it themselves?

I can flip a coin with the best of them but seriously you need to prove you can make selections by posting here as evidence or link to where you are tracked on a site.
Otherwise you come off as some one attempting to take a free ride with other peoples money. Lot of guys trying to do the shill/tips per pay and I do not know how many are actually getting anywhere,might be worth looking into.

I also gamble and win $ 1 million, would you believe? certainly not just like you do people will not believe that you are a professional gambler
anyone can say the same thing but if you can prove it all might be considered, so now you need is to show proof at least in the form of a video while you play.

I am a professional gambler.  Invest and I will gamble for you at low stakes pot limit omaha cash game.  I have previously gambled for other people and won money on their behalf.  References available upon request.