Investing in what porfo is good in the period of stagnation

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Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

Real state seems fine to me, bitcoin is better considering that it is risky you may get more income or less income!

Problem with real estate is that in a 3rd or 2nd world country they are cheap, but there is a lot of corruption and mishandling of archives.

I dont want to wake up and have problems with documentation, like I heard many stories that the land archives got lost or corrupted.

In a 1st world country they have better managed land registries, however land or estate is much more expensive there.

Real estate is not at all profitable in my country. It was profitable and a good source for profit until 7-8 years ago but now this market is over saturated and in almost all the areas are free lands in sale and buildings empty and numerous owners or builders who want to sell. During the last 7-8 years this market have seen only decrease of prices and decrease of demands for such products. The last two years, the real estate owners tell that the prices are almost stabilized but yet the demand is very low. Exception make only the places in downtown. This areas don't know crisis. But is hard to find something good there. No one sell. As for the corruption it is not possible to lie when you buy something. If do everything through agencies of real estate. But are true that the hypotheque here is a mess and it is not strange to find two or three owners for the same land or apartment.

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Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

There's no way a political party with an aggressive enough agenda against nationalizing private propoerties will win in any advanced society. Even the most far left parties out there have a certain threshold where they may start imposing higher taxes, but stealing your property? Don't think so unless you have a ridiculous amounts of houses, like 20+. Most people here will not deal with such problems in my opinion.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 26, 2015, 12:42:09 PM

Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 26, 2015, 12:38:17 PM

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 25, 2015, 05:34:16 PM

Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

Real state seems fine to me, bitcoin is better considering that it is risky you may get more income or less income!

Problem with real estate is that in a 3rd or 2nd world country they are cheap, but there is a lot of corruption and mishandling of archives.

I dont want to wake up and have problems with documentation, like I heard many stories that the land archives got lost or corrupted.

In a 1st world country they have better managed land registries, however land or estate is much more expensive there.

All things that you say can be right, furthermore there are some problems in every deal, fear of spoof and such things.

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 26, 2015, 12:38:17 PM

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

Real state seems fine to me, bitcoin is better considering that it is risky you may get more income or less income!

Problem with real estate is that in a 3rd or 2nd world country they are cheap, but there is a lot of corruption and mishandling of archives.

I dont want to wake up and have problems with documentation, like I heard many stories that the land archives got lost or corrupted.

In a 1st world country they have better managed land registries, however land or estate is much more expensive there.

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

Real state seems fine to me, bitcoin is better considering that it is risky you may get more income or less income!

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

Real estate is really good when they are printing money.

The problem is that I dont know if when the bubble pops, the country will turn into communism and steal your land, or they will just confiscate everything. Hard to tell.

Best investment is always the one that you can control the most. So i`d go into the crypto world mostly.

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This chart should tell you a couple of things, including how boring holding Gold is. Bitcoin did what Gold did in 4 years. It also shows the potential for future bubbles where 5 figures will be nothing. The potential for growth in Bitcoin is too much so our brains refuse to process it as a logical scenario.

How is that a boring chart? It's pointing straight to the moon (although the second chart posted here debunked that quite a bit..)

I guess we are all spoiled here by seeing gigantic gains for bitcoin and altcoins on a daily basis in the bast that a chart like this looks boring..

Is this a chart that presents Gold price?I never paid attention that it became 4 times more!

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Quote from: neurotypical on October 08, 2015, 12:24:02 PM

This chart should tell you a couple of things, including how boring holding Gold is. Bitcoin did what Gold did in 4 years. It also shows the potential for future bubbles where 5 figures will be nothing. The potential for growth in Bitcoin is too much so our brains refuse to process it as a logical scenario.

How is that a boring chart? It's pointing straight to the moon (although the second chart posted here debunked that quite a bit..)

I guess we are all spoiled here by seeing gigantic gains for bitcoin and altcoins on a daily basis in the bast that a chart like this looks boring..

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This chart should tell you a couple of things, including how boring holding Gold is. Bitcoin did what Gold did in 4 years. It also shows the potential for future bubbles where 5 figures will be nothing. The potential for growth in Bitcoin is too much so our brains refuse to process it as a logical scenario.

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

First i ask you how much did Stockmarkets collapse in last year?

General answer is when economy is in stagnation, you invest into Gold.

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Depends on what your country has to offer. Bitcoin isn't that much a good investment vehicle to use though it can still serve as one. Gold and other precious metals tend to have price increases for a long time, so it is a good storage of value. Real estate is kinda pricey, but still a good investment given that the need for space and shelter is always present and increasing. Stocks can go pretty bad, but if planned well, stocks can help you in getting some fat profit and checks.

According to me no one can predict the trend and the prices of any goods in the future. Even my secure way of expression about of the rising of price of bitcoin in one my above post is excessive (I accept this). But I don't think that the increase of gold and the other precious metals will be bigger that the price of bitcoin in term of the periods we talk above. Anyhow this is an my opinion and It is not mean that it will be this way.

Yes, I agree that no one can predict the trend of the market, but the charts could somehow give you a hint of what the market thinks about the certain good/product. Gold charts from 2000 - 2010 shows a significant uptrend of gold.

I'd better invest some of my assets in precious metals as they have a large potential to gain in value over a long time than to choose other unstable investments which could further wreck my holdings.

Your chart cannot be as a reference point because show the price of gold since the year 2010. But from the year 2011 the tendency was the opposite of that which is shown in your graphic. Se for more this link: http://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart

Below the chart of price of gold in the last 5 years:

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 07, 2015, 11:00:55 AM

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Yes, I agree that no one can predict the trend of the market, but the charts could somehow give you a hint of what the market thinks about the certain good/product. Gold charts from 2000 - 2010 shows a significant uptrend of gold.

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Past performance is no indicator of future results. I would never invest in an asset because of the chart showing gains in the past. Invest in those assets that are fundamentally cheap.

That said, I would recommend precious metals as well. Given the extreme levels of global monetary inflation they are almost guaranteed to rise to a much higher level. So they are at least a good hedge against the inevitable effects of monetary inflation: loss in fiat purchasing power.

If you have a high risk appetite I would recommend precious metal, uranium and coal stocks. Most companies in the sector are at their lowest valuations ever - irrational compared even to depressed commodity prices. Of course, some of these companies will go bankrupt, but if you diversify among 5-10 companies and choose well, it's almost sure that you will see a significant return in the coming years.

Hey, and don't forget Bitcoin... but I guess you know about its potential.. Wink

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Depends on what your country has to offer. Bitcoin isn't that much a good investment vehicle to use though it can still serve as one. Gold and other precious metals tend to have price increases for a long time, so it is a good storage of value. Real estate is kinda pricey, but still a good investment given that the need for space and shelter is always present and increasing. Stocks can go pretty bad, but if planned well, stocks can help you in getting some fat profit and checks.

According to me no one can predict the trend and the prices of any goods in the future. Even my secure way of expression about of the rising of price of bitcoin in one my above post is excessive (I accept this). But I don't think that the increase of gold and the other precious metals will be bigger that the price of bitcoin in term of the periods we talk above. Anyhow this is an my opinion and It is not mean that it will be this way.

Yes, I agree that no one can predict the trend of the market, but the charts could somehow give you a hint of what the market thinks about the certain good/product. Gold charts from 2000 - 2010 shows a significant uptrend of gold.

I'd better invest some of my assets in precious metals as they have a large potential to gain in value over a long time than to choose other unstable investments which could further wreck my holdings.

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Quote from: Mickeyb on October 04, 2015, 03:54:27 PM

Real estate is quite pricey at the moment. Gold is bound to drop even more, at least that's what all of the experts are saying. Stocks are a huge mess. You never know with them.

If I was you, I would buy the land. God isn't creating anymore of it. And buy some bitcoins, the risk is huge, but if this thing makes it, rewards will also be huge!

Here in my country buying land doesn't giving nothing. All the best places when it would be possible to do something with value with which you may have hope to earn something are absent or have price very high. For a period of time (since 6-7 years ago) it was good investing in having houses. The price of those increased every year and in two-three years you would have a good profit. But since that period the price of houses is going down and they have value only if you rent those. By renting have problems because here the people which take the house can damage the house and don't pay the damages. Or don't give the money of then rent and no one can do nothing because this market is semi illegal. In the meaning that every rent must be declared to the authorities in order to pay the tax for this action. No one declare so no one can complain if happen something.

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Real estate is quite pricey at the moment. Gold is bound to drop even more, at least that's what all of the experts are saying. Stocks are a huge mess. You never know with them.

If I was you, I would buy the land. God isn't creating anymore of it. And buy some bitcoins, the risk is huge, but if this thing makes it, rewards will also be huge!

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 03, 2015, 03:18:14 PM

Depends on what your country has to offer. Bitcoin isn't that much a good investment vehicle to use though it can still serve as one. Gold and other precious metals tend to have price increases for a long time, so it is a good storage of value. Real estate is kinda pricey, but still a good investment given that the need for space and shelter is always present and increasing. Stocks can go pretty bad, but if planned well, stocks can help you in getting some fat profit and checks.

According to me no one can predict the trend and the prices of any goods in the future. Even my secure way of expression about of the rising of price of bitcoin in one my above post is excessive (I accept this). But I don't think that the increase of gold and the other precious metals will be bigger that the price of bitcoin in term of the periods we talk above. Anyhow this is an my opinion and It is not mean that it will be this way.

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Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

Correct. But if you need (want) to invest in something that is worth in every country and every time you can invest in bitcoin. The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high. Being a limited number of coins and being spread every day more its value will more and more high. This will be reflected on its change with the other currencies. The only problem is that this kind of investment is long term investment (for sure). Maybe very, very long term. There can be high values even soon but for sure can be told only that it is a very long term investment. So if you want to do such investment buy bitcoin as you want or the amount of money who want to risk in this kind of investment and send them to your wallet. Then forget them. Remember only when the change with the other currencies has reached the value wanted by you. Change those and you will have you profit.

The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high
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I think that the user need an help in other type of commodities and not only btc...
Keep in mind that also the volume can change the situation... If I can buy one house at 200.000 dollars, ok I am an "estate investor" but to make a "really" investment i need moore and moore funds....

If the price of bitcoin can go 1000 000 us dollar one bitcoin for me it is enough to buy even 10 bitcoins - which cost about 2400 - 2500 us dollar - that are not the amounts you mention. So, I think, that the investment is an investment whatever may be the amount of money spent to buy bitcoin.

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Depends on what your country has to offer. Bitcoin isn't that much a good investment vehicle to use though it can still serve as one. Gold and other precious metals tend to have price increases for a long time, so it is a good storage of value. Real estate is kinda pricey, but still a good investment given that the need for space and shelter is always present and increasing. Stocks can go pretty bad, but if planned well, stocks can help you in getting some fat profit and checks.

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Quote from: oblivi on October 03, 2015, 11:26:21 AM

It's very hard to predict what will happen with real estate. It depends a lot on different countries, so you can't talk about investing in real estate as a global thing. I wouldn't get involved in countries that were outside US or Europe when it comes to real estate, simply because I can't trust the economies enough outside those 2 places, and I would like to travel where I buy property and see it for myself and the idea of traveling to some place like Iran doesn't seem very nice.

I do not think it is bad to buy real estate in Iran since it has a very growing economy and great stability, safety anyway lets not deflect from the main topic. So you are saying there is no general law for investing in stagnation period.

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It's very hard to predict what will happen with real estate. It depends a lot on different countries, so you can't talk about investing in real estate as a global thing. I wouldn't get involved in countries that were outside US or Europe when it comes to real estate, simply because I can't trust the economies enough outside those 2 places, and I would like to travel where I buy property and see it for myself and the idea of traveling to some place like Iran doesn't seem very nice.

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Quote from: Cs87kxy on October 03, 2015, 07:51:32 AM

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

Correct. But if you need (want) to invest in something that is worth in every country and every time you can invest in bitcoin. The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high. Being a limited number of coins and being spread every day more its value will more and more high. This will be reflected on its change with the other currencies. The only problem is that this kind of investment is long term investment (for sure). Maybe very, very long term. There can be high values even soon but for sure can be told only that it is a very long term investment. So if you want to do such investment buy bitcoin as you want or the amount of money who want to risk in this kind of investment and send them to your wallet. Then forget them. Remember only when the change with the other currencies has reached the value wanted by you. Change those and you will have you profit.

The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high
...
I think that the user need an help in other type of commodities and not only btc...
Keep in mind that also the volume can change the situation... If I can buy one house at 200.000 dollars, ok I am an "estate investor" but to make a "really" investment i need moore and moore funds....

Yes, exactly it is the case and I want to invest on other commodities except bitcoin and specially regular things while I do not have much money.

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Quote from: Cs87kxy on October 03, 2015, 06:48:05 AM

Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

For example suppose living in a country like Turkey or Iran that is dependent on oil and has average economy.

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Quote from: Cs87kxy on October 03, 2015, 06:48:05 AM

Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

Correct. But if you need (want) to invest in something that is worth in every country and every time you can invest in bitcoin. The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high. Being a limited number of coins and being spread every day more its value will more and more high. This will be reflected on its change with the other currencies. The only problem is that this kind of investment is long term investment (for sure). Maybe very, very long term. There can be high values even soon but for sure can be told only that it is a very long term investment. So if you want to do such investment buy bitcoin as you want or the amount of money who want to risk in this kind of investment and send them to your wallet. Then forget them. Remember only when the change with the other currencies has reached the value wanted by you. Change those and you will have you profit.

The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high
...
I think that the user need an help in other type of commodities and not only btc...
Keep in mind that also the volume can change the situation... If I can buy one house at 200.000 dollars, ok I am an "estate investor" but to make a "really" investment i need moore and moore funds....

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

Correct. But if you need (want) to invest in something that is worth in every country and every time you can invest in bitcoin. The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high. Being a limited number of coins and being spread every day more its value will more and more high. This will be reflected on its change with the other currencies. The only problem is that this kind of investment is long term investment (for sure). Maybe very, very long term. There can be high values even soon but for sure can be told only that it is a very long term investment. So if you want to do such investment buy bitcoin as you want or the amount of money who want to risk in this kind of investment and send them to your wallet. Then forget them. Remember only when the change with the other currencies has reached the value wanted by you. Change those and you will have you profit.

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Quote from: expert4knowledge on October 03, 2015, 04:44:07 AM

Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on... Wink

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Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

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