Topic: INVESTMENT NEED CAPITAL BECASUE THE BANKSTERS DEALYED MY PAYMENT (Read 965 times)

"Stole" is probably too strong. I'll change it when I get home.

edit: I think this wording is fair and accurately describes what happened.

Fair enough. It's the system in action and that's good. Like I said in time I would review my own support of the flag if this is a 1 off. I agree with the neutral, as it paints the picture from beginning to end while also being a revision and de-escalation from negative; which can say more than words at times. A good reason not to handle the money of others while having a wobbly pops.

AFAIK you're in DT so it's active. I have opposed it because as I said in the other thread I don't see ill intent on Csmiami's part. DarkStar_'s neutral is probably fair although I disagree with its wording.

I reworded it.

Well, yes but no. Once I sent the 0.0027 I left my phone unattended (as I was with other people) and didn't check the forum until I was back home. I had no actual chance of responding before the reds were sent, I was simply sent negative feedback without any previous discussion about it (I'm not saying this is something that must be done, but in this particular case, I could have been done). So of course, when I got back and saw how things were looking, I "rushed" to right everything before it was too late

(this answer applies to the feedback Darkstar has just left I believe)

True, I took this one personally, since he had previously spammed my thread and was creating quite a lot of threads to ask for a loan. But I also believe this is the first time I take it personally on the forum with anyone

Yes I am in one of my more active days so I came across DirewolfM14's thread which included the snipit pointing me here. I didn't feel the need to duplicate the negatives I was already seeing but did feel the need to have a warning due to this behavior. I did wrestle with the "anyone" part of the flag but I feel that's to broad a statement to make someone would have to be some next level type of scammer to be able to scam anyone that crosses their path. So that was the judgement call I made in creating the flag. Edit:What I saw showed the potential of you having a few drinks and some newbie who looks like a scammer (unproven but prejudged) happened across your path; this may repeat if not for the actions condemning it. What I saw was an alarming way to treat a supposed scammer, and potentially benefit from scamming the supposed scammer. Who was to know if this could have been repeated should you have had a few drinks and again a newbie who looks like a scammer (unproven but prejudged) happened across your path.

I did see after I created the flag you have responded to everything but the urgency seemed to come from the negative implications it had for you. For now I will continue to support the flag I created - I honestly at this point am unsure if it needs others support or not - but it will still be there as an inactive flag that can be seen. Like anything I leave feedback related, I'll monitor for a while hoping to see no sign of this type of behavior in the future, and am always willing to unsupport a flag or revise feedback.

I am agree with that. Thank you ever l will be around here in the forum.

How can we close this forum, i mean not eliminate just lock for not more messages on this threaths?

Yeah, no hard feelings. As I have just posted on your thread, it was more the shock of opening the forum and seeing a double red+flag for a few satoshis. Honestly, I think I'd have acted in quite a similar way.

The only thing I might disagree on, is the way the situation was escalated to the trust discussion, before I was consulted/had given any actual response to the situation

@Csmiami,
I've removed my review and my support of the flag.  I wish this situation could have transpired differently, but at least it ended without anyone being hurt.  I hope you don't harbor any hard feelings, If I or anyone else had treated a newbie this way, even if he is trying to scam, I would expect the same outcome.  Scamming a scammer doesn't make you any different.

Hmmmm, even I do agree with that.

I didn't actually see that thread and that's why I PM'd Direwolf (to prevent more people getting involved). Thanks for pointing that out

I'm not too sure whether the flag is appropriate or not so I left it. The text says this:


With flags, if you're unsure, the best action to take is nothing.

Then I think I can relax a bit... strange though that it hasn't showed up until now. I'd PM'd Direwolf about the neg before seeing the flag, I don't think something odd will come out of this, but I guess I should also talk to Steamtyme to remove the flag


I guess there is some truth to that... I paid the price for trolling a newbie/"likely scammer"

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Where did this just go to?

I think the flag was created before you responded. I know for sure that Steamtyme created it before you responded.
I've removed my negative trust as you did end up making ArmandoComellas whole.


Both of you lose from this which is a fair outcome in my opinion. Both parties handled it poorly and unprofessionally. You paid double fees for sending him the wrong amount, he has to pay extra transaction fees from having to spend two inputs instead of one.


You don't have the moral high ground either. Go waste other people's time somewhere else.

Let me tell you someting this is not because life is a bitch, you need to understand that everything is cause - effect this how the life works once you understand this eveything is more easy.

Thank you DarkStar for being good as a judge and thank you for understand in the end Csmiami.

Welp, life has turned out to be a bitch, and "The minimum withdrawal amount is 0.00030000 BTC". Looks like he is going to get some BTCBTC after all from all this idiotic thread (maybe not getting at all, but I am paying double fees)

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Alright, this is now getting out of hand. I think I have explained the situation the best way I could and that everything has been sorted out, but creating a flag now seems a bit overkill to me ATM...

Sounds correct to me.

Glad to see we still think the same way for some stuff....

I'm going to just publish it to prevent a second error... If in the first withdrawal I sent 0.0027, on this one I'll be sending 0.0003-0.00003366 on fees; 0.00026634BTC, right?



I suggest you lock this thread as soon as the transaction is sent.

Yes, I'm agre with DarkStar, he has a good sense of justice.

Resolve the situation and I will remove my negative trust feedback. Send him 0.003BTC - 0.0027BTC - one transaction fee

Well, I happened to be a bit drunk and on the mobile site, so I did just input the numbers and scroll down to the confirm button

There we agree, and I am kind of flattered you consider me that smart.


Of course I'd be angry about it, I do currently have some user owing me 0.05BTC since last year, but nothing I can actually do there.


Right was I was going to propose, to see if you and direwolf would agree that's something reasonable. I believe it is, and I have admitted my mistake (and I think I won't joke around anymore to prevent getting another hot potato like this one)

The amount deducted including fees is very clearly written on the page. I don't think that 27.3 == 30 in any situation.


This was a way to potentially take a few satoshis for yourself without anyone realizing.


If you don't want to be involved with the funds, then send the whole amount back (minus tx fees) instead of keeping $3 for yourself. You're making yourself involved with the funds by taking 20k satoshis. I agree that it is a small amount, but I personally don't believe that people should be allowed to steal small amounts without consequences. If someone stole $3 from you, would you be fine with letting them go without consequences? It's not the amount, it's the principal.

FFS, are we really going that way? I was having some drinks with some friends at a bar, when withdrawing I saw fee was roughly 3xxx, amount he sent was 0.003, so 30-3=0.0027. It didn't sound off when doing it, and since it was not something "urgent" or "pressing" I didn't really double check with a calculator. My bad there I guess....


If my intentions had been malicious, I would not have repeatedly said "0.03 for 0.015" on every message I sent from the begining, I would just say it once, never mention it again until payment was (obviously) not made full and the I'd have started bitching around how he didn't send me the money or something. I honestly didn't expect him to go as far as to send me any BTC, and when that happened I turned to consult two other members that had been active in the discussion, since those funds were doing me no favour. Also, if my intentions would have been malicious, I would have not returned any single satoshi....

My god, a double red neg over 20k satoshi? I thought I had made myself pretty clear a couple of times about not really wanting to be involved with those funds, this started as a joke/experiment but ouch....

That´s correct and i think i can learn a lot here on this forum. I will be around here so don't miss me!

Enjoy your $3 profit  

Csmiami used Freebitcoin's slow withdraw to return ArmandoComellas's 0.003BTC (minus tx fees). Freebitcoin's withdraw fees are dynamic, but fees have not hit around 800 sat/byte which would cause a 0.3 mBTC withdraw fee. A reasonable maximum would be around 0.05 mBTC (5000 satoshi), and thus Csmiami pocketed 0.25 mBTC+ (roughly $3 USD with current exchange rates). The 0.05 mBTC figure is a rough estimate based upon a 120 sat/byte fee for next block, though the 'Slow' withdraw option is a batch transaction and the fee charged is likely based off of a future estimate for when the transaction was sent. It would make little sense for any algorithm to assume that 120 sat/byte would last, and a more reasonable guess would be around 0.037 mBTC fee based off of the current charge of 0.034 mBTC.

Csmiami is likely doing this with malicious intent - the 'borrower' does not seem to know how Bitcoin fully works as shown in this post, and thus may not know what a reasonable transaction fee would be. It is a small amount, but I consider these actions untrustworthy.

Yes that's correct buddy, life goes on... So l can wait for my funds less the fees comes to my wallet in 3 hours.

Im learning a lot from you

Nailed it.


The funds are at my freebitco.in account, and the next slow withdrawal will be in 3 hours.


Yup, that was actually fun  but life goes on...

I don't believe you mentioned suchmoon or her suggestion in the PM you sent to me.  If you're insinuating suchmoon suggested you let ArmandoComellas twist in the wind for a couple of days before sending his money back, I could see her making a comment like that off the cuff.  I wouldn't take it literally, though.  It seems kind of cruel, and I think suchmoon would agree. 

Sure, ArmandoComellas is an annoying spammer and a would be scammer, that's obvious.  He came here looking for a battle of the wits completely unarmed.  There's some satisfaction in making people like him suffer for a little while, but I don't see the point in letting it drag out. 

If you're serious about your lending business then you want to earn the reputation of being professional.  Letting personal squabbles interfere with that can't be good for business.  Just my two sats, for what it's worth.

Hey Csmiami,

Im still waiting for the funds minus the fees of the transaction.

388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge

Aqui tienes mi hash.

Man really you have troubles in your thoughts, you need to take care about this not all people is like you. Remember the Thoughts are the reflection of ourselves (Subconscious). So im just waiting for my money back minus the fees they gonnna charge you. Than you Dude!

Nope, I think I told you on a PM too; but he suggested something similar to your PM


It was not my intention to keep the funds (at least for more than a couple of days). At first I was just really amazed by the whole situation, how absurd everything seemed post after post, repeating the 0.03 for 0.015 each time. It was quite a good way to gain insight on how these people work; because the moment he smelt he could get some blood (or money), he got so focused on it he just didn't really read the posts of his own thread.


That kind of reminds me of this

Thank you so much DireWolfM14 again. I think the best thing to solve this is if "CSmiami" return back my money less the fees because the netwok will charge him that fees for the comfirmation.+


Really really thank you bro.

Csmiami sent me a PM to inform me how this event transpired, and asked what he should do.  I suggested the exact same thing quoted above.

My statements in this thread are purely in jest, and I hope that was obvious.  Of course I would not condone Csmiami keep the funds, or even spend them in any other way regardless how noble the cause.


@Csmiami, you said:


If you are reffering to this:


I don't think suchmoon believes that's actually gonna happen, and I get the feeling she was being facetious.  If you haven't sent ArmandoComellas' funds back to him yet I think it's about time you do.

Thank you so much DarKstar, finally an intelligent comment. I think the best thing to solve this is if "CSmiami" return back my money less the fees because the netwok will charge him that fees for the comfirmation.+


Really really thank you bro.

Are we seriously advocating for Csmiami to just steal his money? Say someone buys something from me, and sends me the shipping fee upfront and agrees to pay the rest after they receive the item. Before it's shipped, the buyer realized that they can't actually afford the item for some reason and need to spend their coins on living expenses or whatever. Am I then allowed to keep the shipping fee?

A deal was made, and ArmandoComellas backs out. Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

There could be an argument made to scam a scammer to repay the person they scammed, but as of right now ArmandoComellas has not scammed anyone, and while you could argue that they were likely to scam, thought crimes aren't reasons to steal money.

Thanks for the award but im still waiting for my money

I was thinking about donating it to Sea Shepherd (I have some personal thing for them), but helping the forum may work too. Suchmoon suggested another approach though

LOL! @ArmandoComellas, You just won "The most entertaining fuckstick on bitcointalk today" award.  You win absolutely nothing.  Don't spend it all in one place.

Hey Csmiami, maybe you should donate the 0.003BTC to Known Alts And Part Time Extortion thread.

Thank you. it wasn't easy, but I had the best partner to it 

PS: means a lot coming from a professional tested shitposter 

Best shitpost of the month.

Yes, I dont trust you now!

So you are indeed abandoning a deal in the middle of it....

Thats true i reall y meant 0.03 for 0.015 but its okay if you dont want to send me back my 0.003 BTC just keep it maybe you need it for more than me!!

Thats true i reall y meant 0.03 for 0.015 but its okay if you dont want to send me back my 0.003 BTC just keep it maybe you need it for more than me!!

Then send the remaining 0.027 and stop clowning around.

Except your address doesn't even have that much so I doubt you had any intent to follow through on this nonsense to begin with.

That was kind of the point of this "sociologic experiment on forum scammers"

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Nope, you were the one saying 0.03 on the first place; I did only repeat it several times for you to correct me, or in case you didn't, realize that you really meant 0.03 for 0.015

It was my bad i didnt see that extra 0 (0.003) i dont have the bad intentions as your thoughts coming

What are you saying brother, that is extortion, you are worst that banks, just give me back that 0.003 BTC if you just dont do it, then  you will be shown as the not good man here in this place!

FFS what a clown...

Did you really think Csmiami won't notice the extra 0?

Ou, but I do indeed feel like maintaining it, so as it has been stated here, you still have to send 0.027BTC before I release your 0.015BTC loan

If you dont want to maintain the deal just send me back that 0.003 BTC

So you suddenly want to get out of a deal that has been made in public and quoting the ammount of BTC several times? What if now I don't feel like it and want you to maintain your end of the deal?

Oh shit i put 0.00300000 well man send it back to me please!

I see no transaction of a value close to 0,03BTC

https://www.blockchain.com/es/btc/address/14GmTrt1j33Nex17BExoP3Ejz2dpgeiQMy

here is the validation ID!!

What the fuck is that

Hahah okok the validation ID is LkurwbbgL34cDin9

Not receiving the 0,03BTC for a 0,015BTC loan You didn't post any valid transaction id

Hello Friend!! the transaction is done, here is the hash in the blockchain

My hash is     388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge

0,03BTC to be sent to 14GmTrt1j33Nex17BExoP3Ejz2dpgeiQMy and I will send 0,015BTC as a loan

Done, give me your hash!!

If you send the 0,03 first to any of my addresses, I'll gladly give you a loan of 0,015 within the hour

We are also sick and tired of scammers!





Better come with collateral.

Hello Guys,


The issue is I'm sick of the banks and their bureaucracy and corrupt financial system and rotten to THE NUCLEUS

Skype: armandocomellas
Whatsapp: + 52 984 879 5849

I come with you to believe in me, I am putting together a player of pokerstars casino where I have withdrawn an amount of 350 USD but to date they have not transferred me, I am from Latin America and I retired through their Spanish side using my code swift and clabe interbancaria and the topic esque my resources request them on may 27 but to date I have not reached anything, then now I want to play in casino but using critpomendas since they are almost instant withdrawals so I require your kind confidence to invest with me, I need a minimum capital of 0.015 BTC I can give my skype name "armandocomellas" and we talk in case there are doubts about my system and ability to make money

Example i need a minimum of 0.015 BTC

Anybody doing the minimum investment i will give you an everyday a profit return of 0.003 daily till you cover the full investment after that i will give you the 5% eveyday till one month is complete.


You dont know so thats why after 1 hour of you made the investment i will give you the first 0.03 to create the confidence that you need to trust me.

Thank you guys and im here to help, help each other and start believing in people, Peer to peer