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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

so you want to replace one market manipulator super rich guys with other rich guy market manipulator in just a different market while the regular people get scammed all the same or worse because the ICO scam market is not regulated and they have a much easier time scamming people out of a much large sums of money!

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

If you could explain how you are going to achieve that then i could stop thinking about the plans you have in your mind, i have no idea how you are going to do that because i do consider bitcoin as an alternative market and it is not created to replace the fiat economy and no government is going to allow that to happen.

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Quote from: santiPOGI on March 27, 2021, 08:14:34 PM

IPO?

I am pretty sure that in the end it will be the same as the old way(ICO, STO, IEO) where in the end scammers
will use it to scam others here in this field of business.

Dude, please, IPO dated way older than ICO/IEO. IPO is regulated unlike token offerings on crypto, thus the amount of "shadiness" on ICO is way higher.

There is nothing wrong with IPO since businesses will need capital, and the rich want to invest. It's a win-win solution. The problem is the society doesn't educate enough people to be the supply side of the equation (the businesses/entrepreneurs), instead, they teach people to trade and do non-scientific price analysis (the demand side).

I will not be saying that I am supporting OP because I do not believe that these crypto stuff would matter and it is not even remotely close to IPO level. However I have to say you are naive if you think that financial world is regulated, those guys are willing to do whatever they want and if they fail they will be bailed out and if they succeed they will make money, so they know that there is no way they could bankrupt and keep doing whatever they can. Hell there has been a lot of banks who have done horrible stuff, like literally launder money for criminals and all they got was a few billion dollar punishment which was nothing to them at all, literal nothing.

This is why the first part about what OP said is true, ultra rich screw the game for their side and do whatever they want to do, but the second part of crypto coin offering could be solution is probably wrong.

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Quote from: santiPOGI on March 27, 2021, 08:14:34 PM

IPO?

I am pretty sure that in the end it will be the same as the old way(ICO, STO, IEO) where in the end scammers
will use it to scam others here in this field of business.

Dude, please, IPO dated way older than ICO/IEO. IPO is regulated unlike token offerings on crypto, thus the amount of "shadiness" on ICO is way higher.

There is nothing wrong with IPO since businesses will need capital, and the rich want to invest. It's a win-win solution. The problem is the society doesn't educate enough people to be the supply side of the equation (the businesses/entrepreneurs), instead, they teach people to trade and do non-scientific price analysis (the demand side).

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Quote from: teosanru on March 26, 2021, 01:53:48 PM

Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

Ah! This is sounds more like a dream you would have watched last night. I mean let's for one second say that you are the new tycoon by breaking into the ICO, IDO and IEO industry you have discarded FIAT money and introduced Bitcoin as mainstream money and you are going to bring in an ICO where you would buy first before it's initially traded on an exchange. But now what? Similar to the earlier arrangement some other bitcoin-based hedge funds would drive the price further higher followed by some other poor people who would buy the coin at an overinflated price. What would change? You are the new villain of the Economy now and people would devise new ways to beat the system you have created. How can ICO be different in this context and how will Inflation play a role here? It's speculation not inflation that is playing it's role here.

It require a strong financial literacy to fully grasp what I’m talking about, the mega IPO are some of those totally apart from speculation, they’re a facist “too big to fail” investment, the mega rich get into the IPO and amend a new bill, forcing the pension fund to only allow them to buy from initial traded price but they’re not allowed to participate into the IPO, because it’s a “too big to fail” mega IPO, the stupid idiot tax payer is not allowed to not rescue the IPO, they’re force to totally absorb the initially traded volume on the exchange, the first trading days is always the biggest volume of the entire price history not without any reason, the first trading day is the time ultra rich made a killing by heavily dumping every piece of share they have at a mark up price to the pension fund, without question asked, without criminal charge, everything must not be allowed to contradicted, it must work as planned without a single failure, it must not contain a tiny element of speculation.

1. I am not from the US, if this is happening at such a mega scale in the US i doubt there is any trust left in the system. I am from India where this is in control prices do dump after the IPOs but generally they do pump also after the IPOs giving even retail investors huge listing gains who invested through IPOs
2. Even if it happens in IPO how do you think ICOs or crypto or IEO will be able to solve this issue? Is there any way? I don't think so. The IEOs are exactly the same and without any regulation.

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Quote from: santiPOGI on March 27, 2021, 08:14:34 PM

Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

IPO?

I am pretty sure that in the end it will be the same as the old way(ICO, STO, IEO) where in the end scammers
will use it to scam others here in this field of business. Just all I can with this thing(IPO) they are the same in which through
this they are making money with via encouraging the community to invest in it, just simple as that.

Rich people helps the project to grow, until they’ve sold their holdings and that’s the time for the project to experience down trend.

We have to accept the fact that the project needs more funds to succeed, I’m talking about good project here and thru private and public offering, they can able to achieve that. The project can’t choose who will buy during those offerings, that’s way beyond their control. They are paying tax based on the law for sure, and rich people can easily avoid paying big taxes because they know what they are doing.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

IPO?

I am pretty sure that in the end it will be the same as the old way(ICO, STO, IEO) where in the end scammers
will use it to scam others here in this field of business. Just all I can with this thing(IPO) they are the same in which through
this they are making money with via encouraging the community to invest in it, just simple as that.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

before you say the plan, we have started it first. however, not all IFO, ICO, IDO, IEO and similar investment programs at the start of launch have a high enough level of risk. with the DYOR you have to prepare all the possibilities. that way, not necessarily participating in every program will give you a high profit value. need to do ananisis of the program. such as where it will be released, what projects are developed with what network, and the extent of potential popularity among interested investors.

then, we also have to look at the program time ranges of ICO, IFO, IDO, and others. because the time determined determines how much enthusiasts can contribute. usually a good ICO doesn't take a long time. it doesn't even take 1 day from pre-sale. then preparing for this potential you will get a considerable profit.

do it with a grab and throw strategy. investors only take once in a profit because the second and third programs are a trap for newcomers.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 26, 2021, 08:14:42 PM

This should have been somewhat changed with the advent of Bitcoin. I'm not saying Bitcoin will directly solve this problem but it should have somehow changed the playing field.

Bitcoin started as a sort of a revolutionary or even underground currency. It was treated dirty, labeled, and frowned upon by the powerful politicians, bankers, and other wealthy elites. But it seemed it was only a matter of time before they will eventually join the small community of geeks, criminals, and weird individuals.

The ordinary folks who were with Bitcoin at a very early phase should have been the ones considered powerful and wealthy later on. The elites would have bought Bitcoin from them at a much higher price. Imagine how sweet it would be if an ordinary citizen is selling Bitcoin to the once powerful at $1,000,000 apiece. Imagine if the ordinary folks were like hoarding Bitcoin and the old wealthy people will do everything to get their hands on them.

Alas, most of the common people have already sold at $1,000, $5,000, $20,000, $30,000, and so on. And now, the community is beginning to be ruled by the same traditional elites. The common folks are now trying to collect Sats, forced to buy back expensive crumbs.

>but it should have somehow changed the playing field.
A mega IPO alone could amounting up to 5 trillions, by comparing the size of the wealth between the two, the ultra rich wouldn’t bat an eye on crypto, having crypto is not rich, until it can be cash out, the mega IPO is the instant cash out for them, invest on IPO, dump on first trading day, and cash out in fiat, the profit they obtain is risk free.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

Most working class people and the poor don't even know what IPO actually means,or they don't care.
Capitalism is a game designed for the rich people to play.Sad but true.
What do you mean by "forcing the tax payer to pay the price too"?I don't get your point.
Forcing the inflation?What are you talking about?We can't force the inflation.
Do you want ICO,IDO and IEO to replace IPO as a mechanism used by the companies to gather capital from the financial markets?Are they really better than IPO?I don't think so.

>Do you want ICO,IDO and IEO to replace IPO as a mechanism used by the companies to gather capital from the financial markets?Are they really better than IPO?

It would be good given the bag holder wouldn’t dump the coins, in fact everybody dump their coin for profit, the stable coin is the only coin which is every bag holder are going after, they would only get happy when their bag holding appreciate against the value in stable coin, that include institutions/whales/traders who think the same, yup, IPO is much attractive, much profitable, it’s directly paired to fiat money.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

You very clearly don’t understand how IPOs work. Institutional investors (meaning your 401k manager) are often targeted to buy the IPO before its publicly traded, or even earlier when the companies raise money when they’re still private. So they are directly benefited by the IPO process. Further, the sovereign wreath fund is an institutional investor, it would not “buy up all the shares” after the IPO, that makes zero sense. That would defeat the purpose of the IPO because that would effectively make the company privately held by the sovereign wealth fund.

>the sovereign wreath fund is an institutional investor, it would not “buy up all the shares” after the IPO, that makes zero sense.

The ultra rich benefit a lot from the IPO and unload their shares to the pension fund, they do not need to be a major shareholder for the mega IPO, once they dump the share to public, they would never repurchase the share they have dump no matter whether the price would get dump or get pump afterward, of course they would be thrills to be watch the share get dump to much lower price after the IPO.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

You very clearly don’t understand how IPOs work. Institutional investors (meaning your 401k manager) are often targeted to buy the IPO before its publicly traded, or even earlier when the companies raise money when they’re still private. So they are directly benefited by the IPO process. Further, the sovereign wreath fund is an institutional investor, it would not “buy up all the shares” after the IPO, that makes zero sense. That would defeat the purpose of the IPO because that would effectively make the company privately held by the sovereign wealth fund.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

Most working class people and the poor don't even know what IPO actually means,or they don't care.
Capitalism is a game designed for the rich people to play.Sad but true.
What do you mean by "forcing the tax payer to pay the price too"?I don't get your point.
Forcing the inflation?What are you talking about?We can't force the inflation.
Do you want ICO,IDO and IEO to replace IPO as a mechanism used by the companies to gather capital from the financial markets?Are they really better than IPO?I don't think so.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

They say the human mind is the most dangerous weapon ever created by nature.

We live in a time when most have been convinced that using their brains is bad. They believe politicians exist to *free* them from ever having to think about politics. Economists exist to *liberate* them from ever having to think about money, jobs or business.

People have come to believe that thinking, learning and knowing things are forms of oppression and slavery. To enjoy freedom many believe they must never think about anything.

Its very difficult to change things for the better, when many are determined to throw away their minds, the most dangerous weapon they have and the source of all their power.

>We live in a time when most have been convinced that using their brains is bad.

Using their brains to designing yet another money scam, a creative and attractive, it is a very encouraging development, scams should always be studied throughly and used them wisely. Although many are convinced, scams is bad.

>Its very difficult to change things for the better, when many are determined to throw away their minds,

They didn’t throw away anything, they allocate some of the resource on something else, which might be for the greater good. Anybody would want to living in the constant, they wouldn’t want to take any unnecessary risk, it is unpredictable, it’s not easy to success in making changes.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on March 26, 2021, 03:47:26 PM

IPO is just the same as ICO presale when the whale can get the initial price or even better deal. It won't change anything other than inviting more scammers. By the way, I'm not sure if individuals cannot buy IPO at all in your country. In my country, individuals can still get some, but a fraction of course.

Now regarding the 401k, it smells like a ponzi to pump the stock market, indirectly sponsored by the government through "tax reduction." Opt-out, if enough people are opt-out, the ponzi will collapse.

Anyway, which one is stronger, SS3 or Broly?

Indeed, many ICO come up with presale bonus up to 100%, which is perfect breeding ground for pump and dump, IPO is entirely made up of pump and dump, the unfair market would always getting much skewed, a mega IPO, a legislation scandal, tax payer pension fund, the story never end. IPO, some of the small-ish, anyone can get into the private sale, it’s the pump and dump speculative trades for public, of course you would be caught for the foul play involved into the scams. For the mega IPO, the ultra rich would never get caught, it would always be the broker who become the scapegoat to the mega scams, yup, small IPO might collapse when all scammers get black listed, mega IPO would never collapse they shall getting more bigger.

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This should have been somewhat changed with the advent of Bitcoin. I'm not saying Bitcoin will directly solve this problem but it should have somehow changed the playing field.

Bitcoin started as a sort of a revolutionary or even underground currency. It was treated dirty, labeled, and frowned upon by the powerful politicians, bankers, and other wealthy elites. But it seemed it was only a matter of time before they will eventually join the small community of geeks, criminals, and weird individuals.

The ordinary folks who were with Bitcoin at a very early phase should have been the ones considered powerful and wealthy later on. The elites would have bought Bitcoin from them at a much higher price. Imagine how sweet it would be if an ordinary citizen is selling Bitcoin to the once powerful at $1,000,000 apiece. Imagine if the ordinary folks were like hoarding Bitcoin and the old wealthy people will do everything to get their hands on them.

Alas, most of the common people have already sold at $1,000, $5,000, $20,000, $30,000, and so on. And now, the community is beginning to be ruled by the same traditional elites. The common folks are now trying to collect Sats, forced to buy back expensive crumbs.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

They say the human mind is the most dangerous weapon ever created by nature.

We live in a time when most have been convinced that using their brains is bad. They believe politicians exist to *free* them from ever having to think about politics. Economists exist to *liberate* them from ever having to think about money, jobs or business.

People have come to believe that thinking, learning and knowing things are forms of oppression and slavery. To enjoy freedom many believe they must never think about anything.

Its very difficult to change things for the better, when many are determined to throw away their minds, the most dangerous weapon they have and the source of all their power.

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IPO is just the same as ICO presale when the whale can get the initial price or even better deal. It won't change anything other than inviting more scammers. By the way, I'm not sure if individuals cannot buy IPO at all in your country. In my country, individuals can still get some, but a fraction of course.

Now regarding the 401k, it smells like a ponzi to pump the stock market, indirectly sponsored by the government through "tax reduction." Opt-out, if enough people are opt-out, the ponzi will collapse.

Anyway, which one is stronger, SS3 or Broly?

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Quote from: teosanru on March 26, 2021, 01:53:48 PM

Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

Ah! This is sounds more like a dream you would have watched last night. I mean let's for one second say that you are the new tycoon by breaking into the ICO, IDO and IEO industry you have discarded FIAT money and introduced Bitcoin as mainstream money and you are going to bring in an ICO where you would buy first before it's initially traded on an exchange. But now what? Similar to the earlier arrangement some other bitcoin-based hedge funds would drive the price further higher followed by some other poor people who would buy the coin at an overinflated price. What would change? You are the new villain of the Economy now and people would devise new ways to beat the system you have created. How can ICO be different in this context and how will Inflation play a role here? It's speculation not inflation that is playing it's role here.

It require a strong financial literacy to fully grasp what I’m talking about, the mega IPO are some of those totally apart from speculation, they’re a facist “too big to fail” investment, the mega rich get into the IPO and amend a new bill, forcing the pension fund to only allow them to buy from initial traded price but they’re not allowed to participate into the IPO, because it’s a “too big to fail” mega IPO, the stupid idiot tax payer is not allowed to not rescue the IPO, they’re force to totally absorb the initially traded volume on the exchange, the first trading days is always the biggest volume of the entire price history not without any reason, the first trading day is the time ultra rich made a killing by heavily dumping every piece of share they have at a mark up price to the pension fund, without question asked, without criminal charge, everything must not be allowed to contradicted, it must work as planned without a single failure, it must not contain a tiny element of speculation.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on March 26, 2021, 01:36:59 PM

Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

Ah! This is sounds more like a dream you would have watched last night. I mean let's for one second say that you are the new tycoon by breaking into the ICO, IDO and IEO industry you have discarded FIAT money and introduced Bitcoin as mainstream money and you are going to bring in an ICO where you would buy first before it's initially traded on an exchange. But now what? Similar to the earlier arrangement some other bitcoin-based hedge funds would drive the price further higher followed by some other poor people who would buy the coin at an overinflated price. What would change? You are the new villain of the Economy now and people would devise new ways to beat the system you have created. How can ICO be different in this context and how will Inflation play a role here? It's speculation not inflation that is playing it's role here.

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Reminder only the ultra rich can get into many mega IPO, remember aramco? Only the rich can get the IPO price, once the stock is initially traded on public exchange, the stupid idiot sovereign fund would buy up all the shares bought up by the ultra rich at mark up price and make a killing from the foul play, and all these are perfectly legal, your 401k is criminally exploited to enrich the ultra rich to even richer, the ass*** ultra rich wouldn’t care.

Now we need to come up with a plan, by using ICO, IDO, IEO to force the tax payer pay the price too, what’s your take, can we force the inflation to come totally loose control to the point food price is no longer measurable with fiat paper money?

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