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Quote from: molecular on December 04, 2012, 02:47:46 AM

Dude, at least show some respect towards a hard-working dev by taking his concern seriously.

I'm thinking he might have a point. I'm still on the "bring it on"-side, but we shouldn't just dismiss his valid concerns by telling him to shove it, especially when he's one of the few people actually progressing bitcoin.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on November 30, 2012, 04:18:34 PM

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Quote from: julz on November 29, 2012, 11:29:08 PM

I worry also that this story brings attention to Bitcoin as a 'sanction buster'... when it's barely got off the ground as such and is more easily squashed.

+1

If you want bitcoin to survive in the long term, if you like bitcoin, don't go waving it around as the currency of Iran, or the Taliban, or anything of the sort.

Or, to quote Satoshi during the Wikileaks/Manning furor, No, don't "bring it on".

What exactly are you going to do about it ?

Dude, at least show some respect towards a hard-working dev by taking his concern seriously.

I'm thinking he might have a point. I'm still on the "bring it on"-side, but we shouldn't just dismiss his valid concerns by telling him to shove it, especially when he's one of the few people actually progressing bitcoin.

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Quote from: 420 on December 03, 2012, 10:23:03 PM

Quote from: btctalk on December 03, 2012, 03:39:54 PM

It's funny that I started to introduce bitcoin to iranian communities 2 months ago and no one seems to be interested to help me out with this, and now it pops in the news and there are finally some people coming in asking questions.

if anyone interested in helping me out here are the websites:
bitcointalk.biz
btctalk.com

They speak Persian?

Yes, Persian (also called Farsi)

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Quote from: btctalk on December 03, 2012, 03:39:54 PM

It's funny that I started to introduce bitcoin to iranian communities 2 months ago and no one seems to be interested to help me out with this, and now it pops in the news and there are finally some people coming in asking questions.

if anyone interested in helping me out here are the websites:
bitcointalk.biz
btctalk.com

They speak Persian?

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It's funny that I started to introduce bitcoin to iranian communities 2 months ago and no one seems to be interested to help me out with this, and now it pops in the news and there are finally some people coming in asking questions.

if anyone interested in helping me out here are the websites:
bitcointalk.biz
btctalk.com

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Quote from: julz on November 29, 2012, 11:29:08 PM

As much as I like this usecase - the story does strike me as a bit of an exaggeration.

I've no particular insight into what's going on in Iran - but while there have been a few nodes popping up in Iran over the past couple of weeks as evidenced on:
http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=48hrs
... it doesn't look like much.

Perhaps they're using things like the blockchain.info/wallet rather than full nodes, but I'd like to see some evidence that there are even as many as 100 people using it there.

Given the Iranian government's stance on the internet, I'm pretty sure Iranians have practice hiding where there internet use appears to be coming from.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on November 30, 2012, 04:18:34 PM

What exactly are you going to do about it ?

1 take all funds from mtgox
2 go to police and and say mtgox is used to laundry money
3 Huh

4 profit

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Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2012, 03:26:09 AM

The people of Iran are as much to blame for their government's misdeeds as Americans are.

What misdeeds?

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Wat

Quote from: jgarzik on November 30, 2012, 03:12:37 AM

Quote from: julz on November 29, 2012, 11:29:08 PM

I worry also that this story brings attention to Bitcoin as a 'sanction buster'... when it's barely got off the ground as such and is more easily squashed.

+1

If you want bitcoin to survive in the long term, if you like bitcoin, don't go waving it around as the currency of Iran, or the Taliban, or anything of the sort.

Or, to quote Satoshi during the Wikileaks/Manning furor, No, don't "bring it on".

What exactly are you going to do about it ?

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Wat

You will accept our funny money for your oil or else...

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Quote from: sunnankar on November 30, 2012, 04:05:31 PM

Quote from: 420 on November 30, 2012, 03:56:09 PM

Therefore people who submit their tax dollars have some of the guilt. But most lies with the direct decisions of the high ups that know actions cause deaths of people.

A victim is never responsible for the actions of the perpetrator. Taxation is theft and the State is the violent aggressor. If you are the victim of theft by an aggressor then you are not responsible for what the aggressor does with the funds. Therefore, if you submit tax dollar to the State you do not bear any guilt or responsibility for what they do with the proceeds.

you bear something

Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2012, 04:07:18 PM

No victim-blaming, 420. People robbed at gunpoint cannot be blamed for misdeeds funded by their stolen assets.

Even by your standard...

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Iran

An estimated 50 percent of Iran’s GDP was exempt from taxes in FY 2004.[2] There are virtually millions of people who do not pay taxes in Iran and hence operate outside the formal economy.[3][4]

there no gun to heads at the point of the check getting in your hand with taxes being asked for

Even Harry Reid said income tax is voluntary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg#t=0m26s
[Okay, yes doublespeak...]

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No victim-blaming, 420. People robbed at gunpoint cannot be blamed for misdeeds funded by their stolen assets.

Even by your standard...

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Iran

An estimated 50 percent of Iran’s GDP was exempt from taxes in FY 2004.[2] There are virtually millions of people who do not pay taxes in Iran and hence operate outside the formal economy.[3][4]

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Quote from: 420 on November 30, 2012, 03:56:09 PM

Therefore people who submit their tax dollars have some of the guilt. But most lies with the direct decisions of the high ups that know actions cause deaths of people.

A victim is never responsible for the actions of the perpetrator. Taxation is theft and the State is the violent aggressor. If you are the victim of theft by an aggressor then you are not responsible for what the aggressor does with the funds. Therefore, if you submit tax dollar to the State you do not bear any guilt or responsibility for what they do with the proceeds.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2012, 03:26:09 AM

The people of Iran are as much to blame for their government's misdeeds as Americans are.

but possibly more?

Anyone complicit in the direct actions that they are aware of, even based off little more than a hunch have some guilt.

Therefore people who submit their tax dollars have some of the guilt. But most lies with the direct decisions of the high ups that know actions cause deaths of people.

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Quote from: trogdorjw73 on November 30, 2012, 03:37:36 AM

Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2012, 03:26:09 AM

The people of Iran are ~~as much~~ to blame for their government's misdeeds ~~as Americans are~~.

FTFY

BTFM

Simply being a natural-born resident of a country does not confer guilt by association, otherwise war crimes committed by American presidents could have we the sheeple charged as accomplices.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2012, 03:26:09 AM

The people of Iran are ~~as much~~ to blame for their government's misdeeds ~~as Americans are~~.

FTFY

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The people of Iran are as much to blame for their government's misdeeds as Americans are [of their government's].

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Quote from: julz on November 29, 2012, 11:29:08 PM

I worry also that this story brings attention to Bitcoin as a 'sanction buster'... when it's barely got off the ground as such and is more easily squashed.

+1

If you want bitcoin to survive in the long term, if you like bitcoin, don't go waving it around as the currency of Iran, or the Taliban, or anything of the sort.

Or, to quote Satoshi during the Wikileaks/Manning furor, No, don't "bring it on".

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this goes into the press section unless its already there

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Quote from: julz on November 29, 2012, 11:29:08 PM

edit: but on the plus side.. this sort of attention will probably inspire more interest amongs Iranians abroad, and then their families/friends back in Iran.

This is actually a good point. There is a huge Iranian community in North America and bitcoin would serve as a very good remittance option if the traditional methods were being disrupted or unstable.

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As much as I like this usecase - the story does strike me as a bit of an exaggeration.

I've no particular insight into what's going on in Iran - but while there have been a few nodes popping up in Iran over the past couple of weeks as evidenced on:
http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=48hrs
... it doesn't look like much.

Perhaps they're using things like the blockchain.info/wallet rather than full nodes, but I'd like to see some evidence that there are even as many as 100 people using it there.

I worry also that this story brings attention to Bitcoin as a 'sanction buster'... when it's barely got off the ground as such and is more easily squashed.

edit: but on the plus side.. this sort of attention will probably inspire more interest amongs Iranians abroad, and then their families/friends back in Iran.

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Quote from: byronbb on November 29, 2012, 11:14:43 PM

Iranian-American bitcoin consultant Farzhad Hashemi recently traveled to Tehran and talked up bitcoin to his friends.

lol

haha noticed that too. Go on, everyone of Bitcointalk, for you are all consultants of the Gospel of Bitcoin and it is your duty to proselytize those who do not see our ways.

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“They are instantly fascinated by it,” he says. “It’s a flash for them when they realize how it can solve their problems.”

I may have to rethink my 1-2week stable period prediction, and just skip to the upward explosion. Grin

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Iranian-American bitcoin consultant Farzhad Hashemi recently traveled to Tehran and talked up bitcoin to his friends.

lol

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Along with the halving, this HAS to make the price go up.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-29/dollar-less-iranians-discover-virtual-currency

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