Topic: Iran has made a huge mistake and the world will pay a price for it. (Read 736 times)

Iran has been doing that in different country like they doesnt care on who's going to be affected with it and I do feel pity for those victims specially the big mistake that they recently made with an airplane. Canada is having some opinions and discussion about it.

We are really lucky that trump doesnt give response to the Iran for the world war III because if this war happen it can damage different countries and surely huge number of people will die.  Keep praying for the peace here on earth.

Yes, you are right but I think first of all it has to be changed between the rights of the nation and the impartiality. This is good for both, and some of the terrorist attacks will hurt Iran more than US forces. That is why it is better for Iran to get away from it.

One of the least popular and most unbiased opinions here

I am happy that there signs of war are over and we are heading towards peace. Both USA and Iran claimed that they are victorious in this conflict. I am not interested in who is actual winner or loser, I only know that war in this region will bring death for many innocents. 

The one country on earth who really needs nuclear weapons is Iran since they are under constant and vocal threat, and nuclear weapons are a genuine deterrent.  Just ask the North Koreans.

To my surprise and dismay Iran has never shown any indication of working towards having a nuclear capability.  Every credible intelligence source says so, so I guess I will have to believe it.  Of course Netenyahu and his underlings (Pompeo, trump, the mainstream media, etc) say Iran is developing nukes, but they have been saying that for 30 years and they are compulsive liars as has been proven time and time again.  They never provide any evidence because, I suppose, there simply ain't none.

When I say 'compulsive' that is exactly what I mean.  They lie even when there is no reason for it, and even when it hurts their cause.  They really seem to get some bizarre (kabbalisit?) pleasure out of lying.  It's just weird and freakish.

Anyway, for the sake of the Iranian people and the rest of the world I do hope that the Iranian leadership has been working on something else as a deterrent.  Probably they have, and that's why the JewSA always pusses out.  Maybe it is just the good network of like-mined and capable groups that Gen. Soleimani (RIP) organized.  Chiefly Hezbollah sent Israel back across the boarder in a panic last time they met.  Israel decided that it's best for American bullet-stoppers to be the ones to meet them going forward.

Also, on deterrence and pussing out) there was clear demo that Iran can currently pop any target they like and their ain't dick that the U.S. air defense systems can do about it (see the Saudi refinery and the bases in Iraq.)  In both cases the attacks were designed to do no damage but clearly demonstrate a certain capability.  Word is that it is Chinese tech.  That probably means American tech sold to China by are 'greatest ally'.  That would be the ones who are ethnically cleansing the 'promised land'.  For now.

iran is making a another big mistake by enriching uranium and to make nuclear missiles , why to develop such things and support terror just improve economy and let people leave peaceful and happy , this things is not good for any country and world too

Iran may be a racially motivated nation they need suffered tons of problems themselves. Many countries around them are harmed but they need to be rotated again, the type of talent they need is like convincing others but doing something wrong that's often bad.

They might be the victim - I think that they have done bad things as well - but they lost every right for taking revenge by hitting the airplane and killing so many innocent people.
When you are about to launch a missile attack you have to be careful. Now they are criticized from all countries around the world.

The relation between the two countries will never become truly friendly even with this present de-escalation. But even so and even if the situation will turn worst, I don't see a possibility of Iran attacking the US on the American soil. Iran fully knows it is suicide on its part. At most, they will only attack American embassies, bases, communities, and individuals but never the American soil. The most that they can do on American soil is attack through sponsored terrorists.

The alternate to hot wars from the elite's point of view applied to the problem of population management is non-lethal biological warfare (including electromagnetics.)  In their twisted minds they are the humanitarians for thinking about the ethical questions when comparing the two.

It's always possible to kill several birds with one stone, though, and onocology is something like a trillion dollar industry in the well-off 'first world' with socialized medicine making it possible to charge $40,000 for a single 'cancer pill.'  Different populations 'need' different solutions.  And Americans are pretty much milked dry (aka, in massive debt) by now so it might be time for a shift.

This is what we are praying for, to stop the situation to develop further into a full-blown war. hopefully, they are back on track and discuss issues on the table. We know that war does not bring good to people, only suffering, death desperations, and dire life situatoin.

societies looking like that also age, and end up having not enough young people to replace the old ones,

also such societies have to keep dicriminitating/surpressing its labourers, while continueing to enrich its capitalist elite

to prevent decay they usually leach labour workforce from other societies, like the usa in its founding years from the monarchies of europe, or the west from eastern europe and russia,

and later india/china.

societies that uplift women are usually not sustainable, competition ends up being a sin and a waste of ressources.

caring for the elderly indefinate will piss of the young tax payers

regards

Yea trump did an interview a few days ago and the woman interviewing him asked if they had solid intelligence an attack on America or embassies was imminent he said he personally believed the guy was gonna attack 4 embassies.. what is trump a pyshic now? So far there is no intelligence to back up his claims....

I understand that Trump realises that he suffered a major strategic defeat by authorising the assasination, and that it was based on misinformation and manipulation by the warmongers in the White House. It seems he is not happy about this, and there have been some high level changes.

With regards to the response by Iran. It seems to have been orchestrated to provide an off ramp for both Iraq and the US, and Iran was involved in the negotiation. This explains why The US was given one hours notice of the response, and they were able to evacuate the areas. It also explains why the anti-missile defences were not activated.

I would have agreed with u when this strike first took place op but as time goes on I see it was a measured response to the killing of Iran's general. What made me think this is when the attack took place it was literallly only a minute or 2 after the attack when Iran's prime minister created a tweet saying we believe this was proportionate attack and will not be seeking to strike further targets. Ok that's clue one but the details about the strike itself make me absolutely convinced that Iran intentionally missed U.S. troops. They fired ballistic missiles at the base not ur average run of the mill rocket like Hezbollah consistently uses on isreal and are very inaccurate snd hard to aim.(which are provided to Hezbollah by iran). The missiles Iran used are multi million dollar semi-sophisticated weapons. All this evidence just tells me that Iran had to do something to not look weak to the international community and more importantly their own people. Thanks guys!

In my opinion if Iran wars with Iran in the US the most affected here will be Iran It will have a great shape for the people and economy of the country. That's why the Iranians should stop this attack Considering the progress of humankind  Trump must immediately stop planning for war against them.

Iran no doubt has made many mistake but it seems like it’s not going to made its biggest ever mistake i.e. attacking the USA. Good news is that things are getting back on track and hopefully we won’t see any direct fighting between these two countries.

I am not surprised at the decision made by US which all started with the assassination of the Irani general who was hailed as hero by one sent of Muslims wherein as a war criminal by the other sect and so this time it will Iran whose economy will be collapsed and if they go at war then they will be doomed back to stone age and whole world will feel the wrath of economic slowdown and raise of inflation for a short period of time but as much as predicted.

Hence the fear for most of us. And iran doesn't seem to have any plans of backing down despite the consequences of a full blown war against the us may bring. Even the regular citizens seem to be primed up to go against america. Trump may have deescalated things by refraining to retaliate the bombing of their military houses in iraq, but with recent updates of iran admitting they've shot down a passenger plane, things could escalate again with renewed vigor.

If you pitched a bitch about the western puppet giving your resources away to foreign powers it looked a bit more like this:



It's not surprising to me that the revolution happened and has show staying power.  The peeps on the ground understand the options.

The above is kinda reminiscent certain activities a while later.  Basically the same group with basically the same set of trainers (some would call them demons):

Shah of Iran when Iran looked like this and the head of state was not religious and wearing a suit.
https://youtu.be/6kySR3fpa5s
https://youtu.be/XrCK6CD1dKM

Are you trying to say that the US made Iran? The US would be giving the world a gift if it could tame Iran. But since Iran won't be tamed, the gift to the world will be the US getting rid of Iran. The price the world will pay is fear.

Why should the world pay for US doing? Would be a bit cowardly or at leadt incompetent from Iran, wouldn't it?

I think they can take on America. Not in a straight, all-out US vs Iran war of course, but then that's not Iran's style. The history of US foreign interventions since WW2 gives context and lessons. Iran doesn't have to have tanks arranged on the White House lawn in order to win. There are other avenues. They are already causing oil prices to rise...

Very unlikely I think to see an overt conflict between China/Russia and the US, but it's no secret that Iran is allied with both China and Russia. For example, they conducted a joint naval drill in December.
Despite China's ever-growing role in world affairs, they have somehow managed to stay quite neutral so far in the chaos of the Middle East. I would imagine this is intentional rather than inadvertent. One concern I suppose is that the US/Iran thing might cause China to take a side, although again, whilst that is far more likely than an outright China/US conflict, I would still say it is unlikely overall.
Most likely I think is proxy attacks around the world against US interests, probably involving Hezbollah, and maybe involving covertly channeled Russian funding. Just speculation though, I'm no expert.

They continue to produce nuclear weapons and that will eventually lead to an open conflict. It may not be now but it will happen. There's only 2 ways you can go with nuclear weapon production these days. One is the route of secrecy and the other of open hostility. North Korea chose the second one and it made it an outlaw and Iran is trying to become just like that. Their problem is the country is Islamic and we all know that they can't just wall themselves and sit tight on their asses, they want to travel, spread their religion, influence the region. It's not going to happen!

you have no idea what iran seeks,

iran tries to become a regional hegemon, then attacking and insulting others, bullying them,

iran tried to pressure european leaders to spend 400 billion for the reconstruction of syria.

they are not just an economic or communist power seeking to develop themselves and the region like germany they are active imperialists.

(facepalm x3)



iran are not attacking america or its citizens.. iran are defending their country against foreign military that are in iran.. they want that military to get out and go home

american citizens have nothing to fear. american citizens eat and sleep thousands of mile of land and thousand mile if water away from iran.. calm down

This really isn't an issue for right now anymore, both Iran and the US came out saying that both of them are going to be relaxing tensions against one another and do not want war. Makes sense for both sides to be honest.

Iran doesn't want to go to war with the US (and their coalition) and be destroyed as a nation.
America doesn't want to deal with the issues at home of dealing with a war. As those are never too popular when its a war like this. People have a bad taste in their mouth from Iraq and Afghan.

This is going to wind down now, maybe a few more hiccups for the next couple months. But we now know that neither nation wants this to turn into war.

fracking isn't that dangerous, also there are increasingly electric cars. the middle eastern oil is not needed in the west, there are alternatives, but we all know that they will constantly threathen the west, thats why they want nuclear weapons

No, the problem is, all the fracking in CA is setting off some massive earthquakes. When CA falls off into the Pacific, Iran might win by default.

the problem is imperialism, attacking us embassies revealed that treaties with iran are worthless they are no partners they are imperialists

Indeed, it was a gutsy move. They are already experts at raiding embassies but imho they shouldn't have bragged about it online. And after that dude got killed they chose to escalate by firing those missiles.

I don't really know what's their game, if they really think they can take on America. I remember there's some conspiracy theory circulating that China and Russia would support an aggression by Iran and when conflict starts, they all gang up on an overstretched America. How likely would that be?

attacking us embasy was so stupid, everybody instantly knew after that, that iranian regime is imperialists and treaties with them are worthless

these damn idiots what where they thinking, usa was about to leave and focus on internal issues

Plus when US kills Iran Top General is the start of it, Iran threw missiles being their victim and knowing they might have allies to backup them if ever US declare war. Whoever the victim first, this war should not happen. It will cause alot of damage and casualties. There be in need for some middle man to prevail peace as for sure no one will want to be a loser. Let there be someone who will stop them from starting this war. Though it's predicted to happen, it's just too hard to think that many will be affected.

I hope there will not be a war. In favor of this version is an unofficial information on the US proposal to Iran transmitted through Qatar speaks about the possibility of a limited local response as a response of Suleymani assassination. In addition, it is reported that the Iranians warned the Americans about the blow through the unofficial Qatari communication channel. This allows the Iranian leaders to save face and at the same time makes it possible to avoid or at least postpone the war.

Iran was the victim in all of this, for many years the middle east has been plague with US forces oppressing and destroying their homeland fighting over sand and oil that's how it all begun. So yeah the aggressor's are no other than US if they'd only minded their own business then things would be peaceful and we would be living our normal lives as today. Now everything may come to an end with this war that is about to come.

With the military bases missiled to shreds, considering Donald Trump's character, I don't think he is just going to stand aside and wait for it to flow under the bridge. U.S. Citizens should honestly prepare themselves for an upcoming war. The only people who are going to suffer are going to be random Iranian, Iraqis and US citizens while "big boys" throw shit at each other.

Except the Iranian government release a statement that they are firing at the troops, then it cannot be regarded as that should the United States because of such an isolated event launched more weapons then its will be show of force. It could be interpreted as an act of a disgruntled fellow, it could also be a form of sabotage for all I care where someone of parties who stands to gain should war erupt are looking for series of ways to fast track their own bottom line. I am not saying its not a provocation but acting rashly is not what the world needs now. Peace is better than war and that is what the world needs right now.

With the Iranians attacks on the US Base in Iraq yielding no casualties, I don't think it's necessary for the USA to respond any further so that they can de-escalate the whole situation that is if the Iranians stop the whole attacks and I will reiterate no one will really side with Iran because they killed Soleimani since he was orchestrating the whole attacks.

Let me correct that for you:

The US has assassinated Iran's top general and this act is an open declaration of war in my opinion, though the US has not termed it as a war yet but they’re openly challenging Iran into starting one.

You're welcome.

Maybe some big country backing them to start the war against US which will hurt tremendously the economy of US. This might be the reason too on the recent price rally
of oil in the market. Iran known for having a deep hate to US for supporting the Israel. The decision of US President tomorrow will dictate the direction of this turmoil.
In my opinion, He will refrain in war and accept the minor retaliation of Iran for there lose. Surely if iran persist on there ambition, WW3 will ignite and I'm sure the world will
be in complete madness.

It's more about the 'Greater Israel' project.  Always has been.  Secondarily (and relatedly), it's about have a private Rothschild central bank controlling the money supply in _every_ country.


And Hello Bitcoin!

As for the legendary 'petro-dollar' is a useful construct (especially since the U.S. is supplying the bullet stoppers for the Zionist's wars) and it has provided good service to date, but it's replaceable with various other instruments.  In fact it must be replaced at some point.  Maybe we are at that point?

This one seem more legitimate. Iran knows its military capability and its wise enough for Iran to stay away from USA else he will be completely  wiped out. Iran has already done a mistake by sending its serving general to iraq, its time for iran not to do further mistakes.

the "mistake" aka the armed attack was the US illegally assassinating a top Iranian general with a drone at time of peace without cause. and the self defence response was on the US airfield and destruction of the US aircraft and military equipment stored there that are used in such terrorist attacks.
that is the right of any nation that is a member of UN.

maybe they dont need oil, but OPEC oil sales MUST be in petrodollars. If not - bye bye USD

I need to get in touch with this "Iran", make sure it has the latest map.

This isn't the case yet though. Even if the US is the worlds largest oil producer by one single nation, it PALES in comparison to the production of all of the OPEC nations (see here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC)

So even if the US is producing more oil then Saudi Arabia, or getting close to them -- that doesn't mean anything when you're talking about all of the oil by Middle Eastern countries (plus like Venezuela)

Just keep in mind in evaluating things, that the USA does not need Middle East oil anymore. Thanks to fracking, those days are over.

Because oil is a fungible resource, it is likely that no part of this fracas with affect oil prices.

Just to further update this, it's been reported by most news sources that there were no causalities in the attack. Iran has also just announced, through their foreign minister, that they are not seeking escalation of war, and that their strikes were done in response to the killing of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani. They've made it seem very diplomatic, even the attack -- as they cited Article 51 of the UN charter stating that they used self defense and that is all they'll be doing.

Trump will be making a statement in the morning, though on his twitter he's already stated that "ALL IS WELL"

Trump is going to want to calm the markets, a war isn't going to be popular with the voters. Yet again, we'll see where this takes us.

Source:

NY TIMES - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/trump-iran.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
WSJ - https://www.wsj.com/articles/stampede-at-funeral-procession-for-iranian-commander-kills-35-11578390888?mod=hp_lead_pos1

Trump spent a fair bit of 'quality time' with Epstein and Maxwell.  He'll do whatever the fuck Netinyahoo tells him to do.  Always has, and there is no reason to believe that the future will be any different.

The U.S. must fall be for the plan to be fulfilled.  Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel, (among many others) outlined it way back in the 1960's

from:  https://www.jta.org/1962/01/04/archive/ben-gurion-foresees-gradual-democratization-of-the-soviet-union


WW-III results in the end of the U.S., and the stage has been feverishly set for a civil war in that country.  Hopefully just a little bit to feverishly in order to meet the 'time-table' and they left some loose ends.  We'll see.  I predict that the U.S. loses a war with Iran (and company.)  I suggest that that is exactly the idea.  I propose that Trump was installed to be the guy who set's off the charge which implodes the country because he is considered reliable enough to do it.

Iran has launched missiles at the Iraqi bases where US forces are staying and this act is an open declaration of war in my opinion, though Iran has not termed it as a war yet but they’re openly challenging US into starting one.

I feel this move is really stupid because they haven’t planned it through in their emotions they have given Trump a reason why he should immediately declare war on them, which will not only crush their economy but will effect entire world’s economy too.

It’s pertinent to note that Trump has tweeted a very casual tweet and I’m surprised about his casual language, he’s said he’ll give a statement in the morning and I’m eagerly waiting for it because it’ll give us major insights about his next plan of action.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1214739853025394693?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet