Topic: Iran: Some people consider peace 'an existential threat' (Read 1353 times)

I agree that the US can certainly influence Israel to go in that direction, but I wouldn't overestimate the power AIPAC holds over Washington - they have some influence, sure, but are dwarfed by the business lobbies and other powerful groups. The way I see it, part of the problem is the Palestinians simply play no important role, as far as US policy is concerned, and as far as US businesses are concerned; whether the Palestinians disappear, or some sort of peaceful accommodation is reached in the region, is of little consequence to them - on the other hand, business and military cooperation with Israel is already extensive, so either US and Israeli objectives tend to coincide, or Israel does as it pleases in affairs the US has no real interest in ...

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... until someone goes and does something stupid. After Netanyahu's controversial speech last week, now it's the GOP's turn: 47 Republican Congress members submitted an open letter to Ayatollah Khamenei trying to sabota... I mean, enlighten the Iranian leadership on how the United States' constitutional system works, and how that will affect the ongoing negotiations regarding the nuclear deal. And I must say, it really is kind of backwards of the Iranian leadership not to realize how things get done in Washington: you just have to bribe - sorry - contribute to the campaigns of the right people, and everything will go smoothly - and it's pretty cheap too.

The story, as covered by TyT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JGY7g-l39A ("GOP Leaders Betray Our Country By Writing Letter to Iran", 10m36s); and TRNN: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13383 ("An Open Letter to the Ayatollah from Republicans", 10m08s)

I am sure the US can exert sufficient pressure on Israel to smoke the peace pipe.
The question is, will the Jewish lobby allow them to?

Only way that'd happen is if the d-bag politicians calling the shots suddenly found themselves in the line of fire of those shells.

War is just old men talking and young men dying, same as ever.

no, time for a retracement, haven't you seen population graph... populating ( for lack of breeding money) isn't hard. funnier is the reatrecement, when they all (mostly) cry for mercy while being mercyless, or fakinly merclyfull to those no treathening them... f.u.a. who cares even,... open bars open soon, time to leave, hf in this forum (the best on the public interweb)

I was hoping for a solution that wouldn't involve more people being forced out of their homes and livelihoods, or more deaths - don't you share that hope at all?

exodus is always the best resort for the pious, as long as an exodus gateway is possible do it, why? then it will be the best of the best in the last spot? who come? don't worry life is just a pathetic attempt at immortaility. ay ay ay.... morte este el Victoria. In the last standing there is only death.

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying the Palestinians are without blame. But when you have been under occupation for half a century; are constantly oppressed by the occupiers; have your land periodically stolen; risk death if you dare trying to oppose it; and have no prospects of a peaceful solution to your problems, as Israel refuses both the one state solution and the two state solution, and as you can usually see in Netanyahu's rhetoric, offers no alternative; it might then come as no surprise violence is the last resort. You don't have to like them, or agree with their views, but should at least try to understand where they are coming from - there is no other way for there to be peace: both sides need to accept and address the others' concerns.

Edit: by the way, as you might have noticed, the ancient Persian Empire no longer exists - if you know what I mean.

if said people, those on the opposing side, wants to kill, jail for life or harvest family and loved one of those that in isreal that just want to do what I describe, go Tsahal, send them to death, nuke, frag, what ever, until there is only silence, their mothers, their father, grand old and young to death. sorry. you know the laws. plant of the creation ie before man, plant stays, if you oppose you go, no sorry no mercy. enjoy the dying process.

edit: it's purim, who are you?

Human's hold grudges and seek revenge...one of our most fatal flaws.

Oh boy - BitMos, you really shouldn't post on the forum while high.

Anyway: no, Israel (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't have the right to "nuke", steal land from, or in any way attack or oppress others by virtue of being culturally closer to our Western tastes and, for the most part, following US instructions in its struggle to control the region. That isn't to say oppressive governments shouldn't be challenged and changed however; but that is something that has to be done internally, by the people themselves, and in the direction the population wants.

for me, MENA whole fucked mess. sorry. where can I smoke weed in peace, without disturbing any children in his life? Isreal. end. try to smoke a plant of the creation anywhere else in the full mena? death or jail life time. no way. bye. go isreal. nuke them. sorry, why? jail life time? are you nuts, nuke more powa, jews reasonable, why? many jews, fanatics to gays, love it, peace among all, don't want? met wolf, be guinea pig, yes, you wife, children, grand mother... don't like? can I smoke weed? no,... ok, enjoy. game on. soooorrry. plant of the creation = you = no right = surrender or die= ready? the game of life. the plant will survive. we are there, s: the cartels.

edit: cartel, useless, protectors of biodiversity on earth using all necessary means, backed by life, even leaf will tell the truth. aware, you should. enjoy. hf. (only my Russian and few of usmiic can get it there ).

I'm not sure "who is in fault and who is not in fault" is the best way to go about it - it's not like either the Palestinians or the Israelis are just going to pack up and leave, if one side is said to be at fault. What is important to the people living there however, is what measures they are willing to take to integrate with one another. In this sense, I don't see it as the intractable situation it is often portrayed to be.

That said, Netanyahu's constant fear-mongering and unwillingness to pursue peaceful alternatives, both in dealing with the Palestinians and with Iran, is a problem. Worse still, it seems to me that his government has been steadily moving further to the right; so much so in fact, that in some ways it's even starting to alienate the US (the US being in no way a neutral party in this whole affair) - let's hope this changes with the coming elections. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: if they continue down this path, Israel will be completely isolated in a few years.

Can you smoke weed in Iran? It's next to afg, must have good stuff if you are among the "elite", ie with political connections big enough to shit on the face of the social police...

They will not resolve their conflict, and no one knows "who is in fault and who is not in fault". Their situation is realy bad and complicated. I hope they will be able "one day" to discuss and lay down the arms.

Amen. But that wont happen because people love religion and war and money, all 3 are involved here so you do the math

That episode was awesome, they really put things into perspective, Netanyahu's discourse has been the same for decades, I guess change will only happen when the current generation in power, in Israel, Iran and neighbors dies off so new ideas, better ones we hope, can be put into practice.

I think the conflict between israel and iran will never has a good end, and this is a shame no one care - talk about the palestinian people.

Another striking omission from these articles, about a speech in which Netanyahu talked about Iran's "aggression in the region and in the world," were words like "Palestine," "Palestinian," "occupation" or "Gaza"; none of these  came up in any of the five articles.

http://fair.org/blog/2015/03/05/what-was-missing-from-coverage-of-netanyahus-speech/

If I were him I'd just stop shelling Gaza and allow both nations to exist without a constant threat of getting their house blown up. Somebody here has to stop being a stubborn kid.

Bibi's been fearmongering about Iran for decades now, think even Israeli politicians are getting tired of his divisive rhetoric. The only existential threat to the region are the crazy zionists in power.

Had to chuckle when I read this article:  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/jon-stewart-republicans-gave-netanyahu-the-longest-blwjob-a-jewish-man-has-ever-received/

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his supporters are trying to create "an atmosphere of hysteria" and "fear-mongering," the Iranian foreign minister said Thursday.
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Because a deal cannot be threatening to anybody unless you want conflict and tension and mistrust and crises."

Source : http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world/amanpour-iran-javad-zarif/index.html

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The world is near "at the end", what do you think guys? Will they find a sort of accord?