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Topic: Is Apple the new IBM of our time? (Read 2277 times)

legendary
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November 15, 2013, 10:31:41 PM
#39
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better hardware build quality
Lol?

iPhones in general are much better in build quality then the average competing Android phones.  The highest end of Android may be better but certainly not the average.  Fair or not, most cell providers give the customers access to inferior Android phones when comparing against Apple at the same price to the consumer.   For the consumer to get one of the better Android phones they need to pay more money.  

Finally iPhones hold their value (for resale) much better.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/05/iphone-retains-128-more-value-over-time-than-apples-competition-ipad-worth-67-more

 Despite all of these advantages I may end up going Android.  

iphones hold resale value better because they are not discounted as much as android based phones.

ie: if you bought your galaxy s4 for $50, then the resale value will be lower than an iphone which you purchased for the retail amount of $199.

iphones holding $128 more value makes sense, because if you are paying $50 for your gs4 with a 2 year contract, and $199 for an iphone with a 2 year contract... the resale value would be the same if you sold the gs4 for $300 vs. $450 for the iphone.


That's not what the numbers say.  The numbers say that any given amount of money spent on a iPhone keeps its value as a percentage much better.

To illustrate that point...

I pay $299 for three phones in a row (4, 4s, 5) and sell them for MORE then I paid for them.  In most cases it was $350.  Sure AT&T subsidies the purchase price, but in the end the consumer wins on resale value.  And yes, I know we pay for or (sorta) monthly. 
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 08:59:23 PM
#38
it only implies that apple's value will continue to erode. technology changes so fast, and they aren't spending any of it to improve services or provide anything innovative. they are just selling new "variations" of their iphone and ipad lines.
They are constantly losing market share.
sr. member
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November 15, 2013, 08:18:10 PM
#37
Since I repair both Apple and PC, I can only say its more or less same and its personal preference. I prefer PC with Windows, but can't say that apple OS is bad, its just different. And its being driven by a lot of fanatics  Grin

so it's more or less "about the same," but apple costs significantly more for a comparative system... still though, it's just what you prefer. i find ios confusing (there is no dedicated menu/back button, so it is not always in the same place). for their laptops/desktops, i'm just not used to the way it works.. and it's more often than not confusing to me.
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November 15, 2013, 08:17:00 PM
#36
Since I repair both Apple and PC, I can only say its more or less same and its personal preference. I prefer PC with Windows, but can't say that apple OS is bad, its just different. And its being driven by a lot of fanatics  Grin. People who bring in a PC are like "Meh, it's just a tool, repair it so that I can carryon" and Apple people "Take care of my baby" like they just left you their child.
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Coffee makes it all better!
November 15, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
#35
these days apple is more like microsoft with these shitty ios7 bugs, updates, and releasing products for "show" rather than waiting for it to be right. looks like time & quality are slipping.
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November 15, 2013, 08:09:52 PM
#34
it only implies that apple's value will continue to erode. technology changes so fast, and they aren't spending any of it to improve services or provide anything innovative. they are just selling new "variations" of their iphone and ipad lines.
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 08:05:56 PM
#33
Apple is a very bad company. Look at how much money they have, then look at their R&D spending's,pitiful.
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November 15, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
#32
Apple is retarded and going down the drain
legendary
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Monero Core Team
November 15, 2013, 07:33:16 PM
#31
A more apt comparison for Apple is Big Brother from George Orwell's 1984. Apple has been in the censorship business for years censoring a wide range of ideas, ranging from religious teachings, (I am aware of cases involving mainstream Christianity and Tibetan Buddhism) to Comedy, Parody, Adult Content, Free Software, etc. Take a subject which has even the slightest of controversy and there a very good chance that Apple has censored both sides. It hardly surprising that they censor Bitcoin. In fact they have been actively censoring it for quite a while.

The entire IOS business model is based upon censorship and control enforced by DRM
hero member
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November 15, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
#30
Bitcoin is not directly competing with Apple, so I really don't understand the comparison to the IBM vs. Apple feud.

Apple has iMoney patents.

do you have links to those?   thanks, bm

http://www.coindesk.com/apple-to-create-virtual-currency-imoney/
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bluemeanie
November 15, 2013, 06:33:02 PM
#29
Bitcoin is not directly competing with Apple, so I really don't understand the comparison to the IBM vs. Apple feud.

Apple has iMoney patents.

do you have links to those?   thanks, bm
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November 15, 2013, 06:26:20 PM
#28
Bitcoin is not directly competing with Apple, so I really don't understand the comparison to the IBM vs. Apple feud.

Apple has iMoney patents.
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bluemeanie
November 15, 2013, 06:09:07 PM
#27
apple went from being the underdog (in 1984) in this commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZV7PDt8Lw

only to become "the oppressive establishment" that they despised in the video. yes to monotony, yes to being brainwashed into believing what they want you to.

I run Ubuntu Linux desktop and use Android Tablet and phones.
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November 15, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
#26
Switch my iPhone for a crappy android phone, just to use a Coinbase app?  Uh...no.  Just no.   Roll Eyes

actually this is a perfect example of why Apple's model is not worth it.

they cripple the features you have access to, give you shiny pointless bells and whistles instead, and then charge you up the wazoo.  The group of people understand what theyre missing out on are sufficiently small, while the group of people willing to pay for shiny graphics with gradients, etc. are very large.  Apple exploits the ignorance of the general public.

it was everything that Apple was against in the early days.  Oh my how times have changed.  Still remember my beloved apple II+.  It had a whopping 4 colors in the graphics card.

Apple, why have you forsaken me?





apple went from being the underdog (in 1984) in this commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZV7PDt8Lw

only to become "the oppressive establishment" that they despised in the video. yes to monotony, yes to being brainwashed into believing what they want you to.
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WTF???
November 15, 2013, 06:01:27 PM
#25
Switch my iPhone for a crappy android phone, just to use a Coinbase app?  Uh...no.  Just no.   Roll Eyes

actually this is a perfect example of why Apple's model is not worth it.

they cripple the features you have access to, give you shiny pointless bells and whistles instead, and then charge you up the wazoo.  The group of people understand what theyre missing out on are sufficiently small, while the group of people willing to pay for shiny graphics with gradients, etc. are very large.  Apple exploits the ignorance of the general public.

it was everything that Apple was against in the early days.  Oh my how times have changed.  Still remember my beloved apple II+.  It had a whopping 4 colors in the graphics card.

Apple, why have you forsaken me?





The Woz is a pretty interesting guy. He has like a cult following.
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bluemeanie
November 15, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
#24
Switch my iPhone for a crappy android phone, just to use a Coinbase app?  Uh...no.  Just no.   Roll Eyes

actually this is a perfect example of why Apple's model is not worth it.

they cripple the features you have access to, give you shiny pointless bells and whistles instead, and then charge you up the wazoo.  The group of people understand what theyre missing out on are sufficiently small, while the group of people willing to pay for shiny graphics with gradients, etc. are very large.  Apple exploits the ignorance of the general public.

it was everything that Apple was against in the early days.  Oh my how times have changed.  Still remember my beloved apple II+.  It had a whopping 4 colors in the graphics card.

Apple, why have you forsaken me?



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bluemeanie
November 15, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
#23
Android users not affected  Smiley

Next time get a free device  Wink

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legendary
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November 15, 2013, 05:18:55 PM
#22
Steve Jobs thinking:

Hmmmm, what do I do today? Perhaps get a linux, polish it to the point that people want to "lick it", name it Isomething and sell it (at a very high premium)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Angry

I prefer the real thing.

To answer the OP's question, no, crapple has nothing to do with IBM. IBM invented an open platform, the PC, then crapple tries to close it!!!!!  Cheesy

IBM did not invent the open platform.  They accidentally created one because they used so many off the shelf components and COULD NOT CLOSE IT.  Primary issues for them, the BIOS and Microsoft being able to sell MS-DOS to others (the same DOS they made for IBM called PC-DOS).
sr. member
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November 15, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
#21
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better hardware build quality
Lol?

iPhones in general are much better in build quality then the average competing Android phones.  The highest end of Android may be better but certainly not the average.  Fair or not, most cell providers give the customers access to inferior Android phones when comparing against Apple at the same price to the consumer.   For the consumer to get one of the better Android phones they need to pay more money.  

Finally iPhones hold their value (for resale) much better.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/05/iphone-retains-128-more-value-over-time-than-apples-competition-ipad-worth-67-more

 Despite all of these advantages I may end up going Android.  

iphones hold resale value better because they are not discounted as much as android based phones.

ie: if you bought your galaxy s4 for $50, then the resale value will be lower than an iphone which you purchased for the retail amount of $199.

iphones holding $128 more value makes sense, because if you are paying $50 for your gs4 with a 2 year contract, and $199 for an iphone with a 2 year contract... the resale value would be the same if you sold the gs4 for $300 vs. $450 for the iphone.

as for hardware build quality: up until the iphone 5, iphones were much more brittle than android's top brand, the galaxy line. the build quality, historically, is not better.. but i would go as far as to say that apple's design and materials used make the consumer feel that it is of higher quality. apple is more about perception than anything. i know a lot of people who prefer apple because "it's apple" more than anything.
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 05:14:06 PM
#20
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better hardware build quality
Lol?

iPhones in general are much better in build quality then the average competing Android phones.  The highest end of Android may be better but certainly not the average.  Fair or not, most cell providers give the customers access to inferior Android phones when comparing against Apple at the same price to the consumer.   For the consumer to get one of the better Android phones they need to pay more money.  

Finally iPhones hold their value (for resale) much better.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/05/iphone-retains-128-more-value-over-time-than-apples-competition-ipad-worth-67-more

 Despite all of these advantages I may end up going Android.  
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 05:13:37 PM
#19
Steve Jobs thinking:

Hmmmm, what do I do today? Perhaps get a linux, polish it to the point that people want to "lick it", name it Isomething and sell it (at a very high premium)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Angry

I prefer the real thing.

To answer the OP's question, no, crapple has nothing to do with IBM. IBM invented an open platform, the PC, then crapple tries to close it!!!!!  Cheesy
member
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November 15, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
#18
No Apple is playing safe since a lot of banks and governments consider bitcoin as a risk investment.
ImI
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
#17
Can this be compared to back in the days when IBM resisted the new wave of Apple computers?

no, it can`t
newbie
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November 15, 2013, 04:12:38 PM
#16
My biggest problem with Android is the ugly and clunky user interface. It´s not uniform and
it looks like some 12-year old child designed it. There are tons of buggy apps out there and
i also get a feeling that security is not as tight as on the IOS plattform. To me Android looks
and feels very cheap...  (okey, kill me now!)
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November 15, 2013, 04:10:34 PM
#15
Apple is bordering on being a religious cult in its own right. I remember seeing people cheer outside an Apple store when the iPad2 went on sale and found it somewhat embarassing and disturbing at the same time.

As a graphic designer I have to fight off Apple fanboys every lunch time.
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November 15, 2013, 03:53:49 PM
#14
Apple is bordering on being a religious cult in its own right. I remember seeing people cheer outside an Apple store when the iPad2 went on sale and found it somewhat embarassing and disturbing at the same time.
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November 15, 2013, 03:06:30 PM
#13
i still dislike apple the same, for reasons being that they are assholes who are more interested in sucking your money dry..

and i used to like google quite a bit, but more and more i am seeing google as an intrusive tech company that is only interested in collecting your data... for possibly nefarious reasons.

overall, i still prefer google for their open source approach.. but google is fucking creepy. if anything, i'm starting to feel like google is becoming a "big brother" firm, one that is more interested in nefarious activities that go beyond the scope of just sucking your wallet dry.
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November 15, 2013, 11:54:46 AM
#12
I think it's more like Apple is the new Apple.  In their early days they tried to monopolize the hardware and software markets for their Macs and the like.  They lost to the open architecture and open market of the PC market place.  They gave themselves a tremendous head-start in the smart phone market.  However their narrow-minded approach at attempting to control both the hardware and the software is leading them down the same path.
newbie
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November 15, 2013, 11:50:32 AM
#11
Switch my iPhone for a crappy android phone, just to use a Coinbase app?  Uh...no.  Just no.   Roll Eyes

Well.. many people responded like you during the AAPL vs. IBM feud
sr. member
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November 15, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
#10
Switch my iPhone for a crappy android phone, just to use a Coinbase app?  Uh...no.  Just no.   Roll Eyes
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
November 15, 2013, 11:23:36 AM
#9
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better hardware build quality
Lol?
legendary
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Fill Your Barrel with Bitcoins!
November 15, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
#8
Apple really does suck. Why pay outrageous prices for pretty closed-source software, when you can build an inexpensive Linux machine that can do everything for free. It's more secure and all has everything you need to run a business online.
sr. member
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November 15, 2013, 11:21:31 AM
#7
Android users not affected  Smiley

Next time get a free device  Wink

I have an iPhone but am getting a little tired of this.  I like the for the most part malware free iPhone experience, better hardware build quality and feel of IOS more, but if I need to carry around a second phone for Bitcoin by next year I will switch.


As long as you are careful what you download and get a good brand/model I believe that Android is definitely superior.
newbie
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November 15, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
#6
Bitcoin is not directly competing with Apple, so I really don't understand the comparison to the IBM vs. Apple feud.

I think it all depends on how you look at it. Although bitcoin is not directly competing again AAPL, it surely poses a threat to its revenues streams in many ways. For one, bitcoin is about to revolutionize not only the way that we think about computers and the internet (which were two of Steve Jobs' main focuses when he built AAPL), but also the smartphone ecosystem. Unlike Android, Apple OS is bit trickier to work with - let alone its app store. So an increase in the adoption of bitcoin can only mean 2 things 1.) AAPL will lose a lot of his iPhone users (which will suck for them) 2.) AAPL will have to make its infrastructure more compatible to bitcoin (which is risky and costly).
legendary
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November 15, 2013, 11:19:57 AM
#5
Android users not affected  Smiley

Next time get a free device  Wink

I have an iPhone but am getting a little tired of this.  I like the for the most part malware free iPhone experience, better hardware build quality and feel of IOS more, but if I need to carry around a second phone for Bitcoin by next year I will switch.

legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
November 15, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
#4
Android users not affected  Smiley

Next time get a free device  Wink
hero member
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November 15, 2013, 11:02:30 AM
#3
Microsoft wont let you use "Bitcoin" or "I81TC01N" or anything like it in your Xbox Live profile.

Amazing how threatened these major multinational multibillion dollar corporations are by our tiny little experiment.
sr. member
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November 15, 2013, 11:01:28 AM
#2
Bitcoin is not directly competing with Apple, so I really don't understand the comparison to the IBM vs. Apple feud.
newbie
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November 15, 2013, 10:50:48 AM
#1
So "Coinbase iOS app, which enabled users to buy, sell and send bitcoin, has been removed from the Apple App Store less than a month after its launch."

Can this be compared to back in the days when IBM resisted the new wave of Apple computers?
 
http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-bitcoin-app-apple-app-store/
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