Topic: Is Bitcoin.it a real wiki ? (Read 8207 times)

Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

And when you try to contact admin/mods through [email protected], you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

Hello. Small fees for editing is the only way to monetize the project? Is it enough to maintain it?

Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:BitcoinPayment
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:BitcoinPayment

And when you try to contact admin/mods through [email protected], you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

So my questions are : How could be a wiki that much broken become the "official" Bitcoin wiki ? How can this wiki be an incentive to get started with Bitcoins when there is only 2 pages in your language and you can't add content ?

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

You can't use this domain but I threw this up just to show you:

http://thingsgohere.com

I could set that up for you on your domain in less than a minute. Alternatively if you buy a domain and give me access to the nameserver management I will take it over from there and you can just be a contributor on the site and I'll handle general administration. I don't really care one way or another I just like doing web stuff and this seems like a chance to do some.

Theymos doesn't control any domains. Bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by Sirus. I don't use the bitcoin-qt put out by the core devs I use one that is put out by the litecoin devs and has more power user features. I don't see how Gavin controls the code, you can just revert back to any old copy, if you don't like it. I think what you mean Gavin has control of what goes into client and as I said before I use a different fork of the bitcoin-qt. Remember this project is very young and one of the visions that Satoshi had was many different wallets would exist and we are starting to see that. Really the miners do control the protocol, cause 51% of them can switch to another protocol and rendering anything that Gavin created in usable if need be.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. Charles Lee the creator of Litecoin is working with coinbase, but I don't get what that has to do with anything. Gavin is an advisor and that means he is helping Brain Armstrong with decisions and may get a bit of stock but that is it. I agree Gavin shouldn't be in bed with companies but what you going to do? Oh wait start your own coinbase...

51% attack only happens if the pool is malicious and they conduct the attack. Currently if any pool got to 51% I wouldn't be scared at all cause most pools make a lot of money and don't really want to kill bitcoin to prove a point. The incentive to cause a 51% would not be there.

I went to the wiki to add an entry,

I had an account in there for 2+ years,

Now finding out I have to pay to edit... disappointed,,, onward.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

Wikipedia can only successfully be edited by people who are part of the incrowd. They don't ask money for edits but if you are not buddies with the incrowd your edits will be reversed mercilessly and in the worst case you get banned. Just try editing the Bitcoin article on Wikipedia and find out for yourself.

All online communities have their own rules and their own set of connected people who can get away with things that are a bannable offense for others.

Think this is a consequence of having to pay 0.01 BTC in order to update the wiki or correct errors, people just not going to do it, updating a wiki and correcting errors is actually work, your actually working for the wiki site to provide them with content and on top of the work your doing for them you even have to pay them, it is just a ridiculous concept. This is not how economics work you know. I work for you and I have to pay you to work for you, yeah right 

I just contacted Gregory Maxwell by email, who replied that the fee had been lowered to 0.001 BTC months ago.

Think this is a consequence of having to pay 0.01 BTC in order to update the wiki or correct errors, people just not going to do it, updating a wiki and correcting errors is actually work, your actually working for the wiki site to provide them with content and on top of the work your doing for them you even have to pay them, it is just a ridiculous concept.

The wiki's kind of broken through being outdated in most articles. It lags months behind major Bitcoin developments, like whenever the fee structure or block size changes. The Trade section's a relic full of broken links and missing major, new-ish businesses. I'd support a wiki experimenting with a different way of doing things. Fwiw.

About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.

LMAO watch him not edit or change one thing for the better.

This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7

As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Wait you think I was bashing you LOL, I really wasn't, if you think the wiki is bad, start your own, it is that simple, instead of sitting here complaining your not whitelisted to edit. If you think that is a bad comment, or bashing, you sir are not going to be around these forums for long. Now stop whining and either pay up or built your own, that is showing how decentralized the currency really is, and making the community knowledge base stronger in many points instead of one. So maybe instead of thinking I was bashing, maybe I was showing you what the real way of handling this, instead of sounding like a 3 year old and complaining that you can't edit on a public wiki. People like you will not get far in this community with that way of thinking.

So start your own wiki. I'll give you hosting and a wiki setup for free to do it. You just buy your own domain.

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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?

Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.

Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?

Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.

As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Personally I think that requiring a Bitcoin payment to enable editing is a smart feature to prevent bots from posting spam, and it ensures that the editor knows enough about the subject of the wiki (Bitcoin) to create bitcoin transations. About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.