Is Bitcointalk passing information to investigation authorities?

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Quote from: Lauda on April 09, 2016, 04:57:18 AM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:18:30 PM

Doesn't have much choice if served with a subpoena.
Unless he wants to sit in jail and I don't think he likes anyone here that much!

Doing so because of random people would not make much sense, would it now?

I'm not sure what you meant by that.

My statement was meant to be, that if Theymos is served with a subpoena, since he is in the USA, he really has no choice other than being jailed to release any info requested.

Quote from: Lauda on April 09, 2016, 04:57:18 AM

That is still no reason to discuss the jurisdictions, i.e. the agencies themselves. I don't see why that even matters in this case, but fine. If you want to continue and let people post useless things, then go ahead. This will be my final reply here.

While I realize that in Meta you have no moderation powers and are simply a "user" you still wear the "Staff" label.

In doing such there is a certain level of behavior that should be maintained and getting pissy simply because you are disagreed with isn't in line with that.

I didn't say you were wrong, I simply disagreed with you, that's all.

No reason to simply stop posting.

~BCX~

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 06:56:45 PM

The topic is Is Bitcointalk passing information to investigation authorities?
I can promise you the authorities referred to in the title of the OP are indeed various three letter agencies which certainly do relate to the OP and the jurisdiction is releavant.

That is still no reason to discuss the jurisdictions, i.e. the agencies themselves. I don't see why that even matters in this case, but fine. If you want to continue and let people post useless things, then go ahead. This will be my final reply here.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 06:56:45 PM

Why the anxiousness to close off the topic?

I'm not a fan of redundant posts.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:18:30 PM

Doesn't have much choice if served with a subpoena.
Unless he wants to sit in jail and I don't think he likes anyone here that much!

Doing so because of random people would not make much sense, would it now?

Update:
I do not want to continue posting as the questions by OP were answered. It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me.

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Quote from: eddie13 on April 08, 2016, 08:37:02 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:33:31 PM

Not complying with a USA subpoena isn't exactly conducive to a life of freedom.

There is irony in that sentence..

Intentional!

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:33:31 PM

Not complying with a USA subpoena isn't exactly conducive to a life of freedom.

There is irony in that sentence..

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Quote from: notlist3d on April 08, 2016, 07:28:53 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:18:30 PM

Quote from: kryptopojken on April 08, 2016, 07:15:00 PM

theymos is a snitch Shocked

Not sure I would go that far.

Doesn't have much choice if served with a subpoena.

Unless he wants to sit in jail and I don't think he likes anyone here that much!

Grin

~BCX~

I'm surprised this thread has went this long. The fact that the site remains up shows it is willing to work with authorities. If they did not on a site this size it most likely would be taken down.

And as mentioned with BFL with sharing info I think some of working with authorities is good. It can help some members in certain cases.

Theymos himself has openly posted in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-subpoena-1027518

That he has released information in possession of Bitcointalk to the authorities.

Theymos is located in the USA.

Not complying with a USA subpoena isn't exactly conducive to a life of freedom.

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Added: I do believe that Ross Ulbricht and GAW also had info released from Bitcointalk to the American FBI

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 08, 2016, 07:18:30 PM

Quote from: kryptopojken on April 08, 2016, 07:15:00 PM

theymos is a snitch Shocked

Not sure I would go that far.

Doesn't have much choice if served with a subpoena.

Unless he wants to sit in jail and I don't think he likes anyone here that much!

Grin

~BCX~

I'm surprised this thread has went this long. The fact that the site remains up shows it is willing to work with authorities. If they did not on a site this size it most likely would be taken down.

And as mentioned with BFL with sharing info I think some of working with authorities is good. It can help some members in certain cases.

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Quote from: kryptopojken on April 08, 2016, 07:15:00 PM

theymos is a snitch Shocked

Not sure I would go that far.

Doesn't have much choice if served with a subpoena.

Unless he wants to sit in jail and I don't think he likes anyone here that much!

Grin

~BCX~

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theymos is a snitch Shocked

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Quote from: Lauda on April 08, 2016, 03:20:50 PM

Quote from: eddie13 on April 08, 2016, 01:41:03 PM

Why?
What's wrong with discussing this?

This thread isn't about three letter agencies and their jurisdictions (what they do and what they don't). This will cause unnecessary spam in addition to being off-topic.

The topic is Is Bitcointalk passing information to investigation authorities?

I can promise you the authorities referred to in the title of the OP are indeed various three letter agencies which certainly do relate to the OP and the jurisdiction is releavant.

Why the anxiousness to close off the topic?

~BCX~

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Quote from: eddie13 on April 08, 2016, 01:41:03 PM

Why?
What's wrong with discussing this?

This thread isn't about three letter agencies and their jurisdictions (what they do and what they don't). This will cause unnecessary spam in addition to being off-topic.

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Things are called shit for a reason, dear.

My question has been answered. I would let the thread open for further discussion. If it is not desired then I will lock it (or you can do it, if you think it is the best option in order to prevent spam posts).

Quote from: Lauda on April 08, 2016, 11:22:14 AM

Please enough of the three letter agency talk, it is off-topic. A separate thread would be more suited if you want to discuss those.

Quote from: Hazelnutter on April 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM

Oh wow, I didn't know about that. Interesting information...

You have to be around for a while to know.

OP if your questions have been answered please lock this thread.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 08, 2016, 11:22:14 AM

Please enough of the three letter agency talk, it is off-topic. A separate thread would be more suited if you want to discuss those.

Quote from: Hazelnutter on April 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM

Oh wow, I didn't know about that. Interesting information...

You have to be around for a while to know.

OP if your questions have been answered please lock this thread.

Why?

What's wrong with discussing this?

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Terminated.

Please enough of the three letter agency talk, it is off-topic. A separate thread would be more suited if you want to discuss those.

Quote from: Hazelnutter on April 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM

Oh wow, I didn't know about that. Interesting information...

You have to be around for a while to know.

OP if your questions have been answered please lock this thread.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2016, 12:08:33 PM

Quote from: Rupert Murdoch on April 07, 2016, 11:07:21 AM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

The US Three Letter Agencies can reach out and touch you anywhere.

Only if anywhere constitutes of US & EU for you. US Three Letter Agencies can not do anything inside Brazil Russia India China or the countries living under the BRIC's shadow.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

Just ask Kim Dotcom LOL

Just ask Snowden LOL.

Nope. The CIA operates everywhere, except domestically within the USA, or so the law says, but we all know how fond of following the law the CIA is. The NSA collects information from everywhere as well. The DEA has also been known to do international operations.

That is what the Hollywood movies want u to believe. But, the truth is CIA can not even assassinate their home grown enemy Snowden, who is sitting peacefully in Russia for years. On the contrary, KGB got into UK and poisoned Alexander Litvinenko without a problem.

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Isn't this pretty much a case of, your anonymity is in your own hands and not the forums?

As far as I can tell you are allowed to come to this forum as anon as you want to be, and the forum cannot give anyone any information that you did not give the forum, because they don't have it to be able to give..

So if you want to be anon you have to be anon to the forum and not expect the forum to keep you anon..

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Quote from: Junko on April 07, 2016, 11:14:01 AM

*puts on tinfoil sombrero*

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are various investigation authorities who have bitcointalk accounts with which they can monitor, observe and look into whatever red flags which may happen to pop up on their radar.

Of course they are.

It would be damn near dereliction of duty on their part if they weren't.

~BCX~

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Just presume you type and it is documented somewhere in a desert if that troubles you stop talking about banging midgets and put on a facade that does not match your own in real life. Oh wait thats facebook accounts!

The people that are paranoid about privacy are not on the internet and thats really the only way to be sure you are not being tracked for slamming midgets into the bed posts.

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Quote from: x13 on April 05, 2016, 04:16:53 PM

First of all, I want to say that I am not part of any illegal activities or something similar. I ask this question because I am curious.

Is Bitcointalk.org (the owners/maintainers) passing information to investigation authorities on request for user information in the case of big frauds and scams ( e.g. Mt.Gox etc)?

The posts are public for everyone even for visitors and the posts are fast indexed in google, maybe there are some private boards for staff but don't know for sure.
Also seeing that when you send a PM you will see this "Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages." which i understand that everything is open.

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Quote from: Rupert Murdoch on April 07, 2016, 11:07:21 AM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

The US Three Letter Agencies can reach out and touch you anywhere.

Only if anywhere constitutes of US & EU for you. US Three Letter Agencies can not do anything inside Brazil Russia India China or the countries living under the BRIC's shadow.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

Just ask Kim Dotcom LOL

Just ask Snowden LOL.

Nope. The CIA operates everywhere, except domestically within the USA, or so the law says, but we all know how fond of following the law the CIA is. The NSA collects information from everywhere as well. The DEA has also been known to do international operations.

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Quote from: magemist on April 05, 2016, 06:35:36 PM

I am sure this is a shock for many forum members here. Shocked

But I can see why, since the court of law can ask for information for a case when it comes to laundering money.

It should come as no shock to our resident scammers that the mods are not going to jail to protect you.

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*puts on tinfoil sombrero*

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are various investigation authorities who have bitcointalk accounts with which they can monitor, observe and look into whatever red flags which may happen to pop up on their radar.

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

The US Three Letter Agencies can reach out and touch you anywhere.

Only if anywhere constitutes of US & EU for you. US Three Letter Agencies can not do anything inside Brazil Russia India China or the countries living under the BRIC's shadow.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on April 06, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

Just ask Kim Dotcom LOL

Just ask Snowden LOL.

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Quote from: x13 on April 07, 2016, 06:59:28 AM

Thanks for this yery interesting information!

What is BFL? I read the thread but I did not really get it. Was it a case like MtGox?

Quote from: Lauda on April 05, 2016, 04:19:55 PM

Yes. The forum has received subpoenas in the past and has complied. Read: BFL Subpoena.

There is a ton of info out there no need to take up a bunch of meta space for BFL. But they made asics and sold them as pre-orders and took far longer to make. Many that bought with BTC lot ton's of money. They never did really recover, just kept getting later and later on products. They were a horrible company.

But do some googling and you can find many stories.

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Things are called shit for a reason, dear.

Thanks for this yery interesting information!

What is BFL? I read the thread but I did not really get it. Was it a case like MtGox?

Quote from: Lauda on April 05, 2016, 04:19:55 PM

Yes. The forum has received subpoenas in the past and has complied. Read: BFL Subpoena.

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Quote from: btvGainer on April 06, 2016, 06:11:34 AM

Quote from: x13 on April 05, 2016, 04:16:53 PM

First of all, I want to say that I am not part of any illegal activities or something similar. I ask this question because I am curious.

Is Bitcointalk.org (the owners/maintainers) passing information to investigation authorities on request for user information in the case of big frauds and scams ( e.g. Mt.Gox etc)?

It depends on where the servers are based.If forum is hosted in US located servers,not compliance with US laws can lead to suspension of hosting account but if it doesn't co-operate with other countries government agencies say Chinese government,then it may only be blocked in China.In short forum is bound to follow the law of country from where it operates but it is its discretion to follow other laws or not

You keep telling yourself that.

The US Three Letter Agencies can reach out and touch you anywhere.

Just ask Kim Dotcom LOL

~BCX~

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Quote from: x13 on April 05, 2016, 04:16:53 PM

First of all, I want to say that I am not part of any illegal activities or something similar. I ask this question because I am curious.

Is Bitcointalk.org (the owners/maintainers) passing information to investigation authorities on request for user information in the case of big frauds and scams ( e.g. Mt.Gox etc)?

It depends on where the servers are based.If forum is hosted in US located servers,not compliance with US laws can lead to suspension of hosting account but if it doesn't co-operate with other countries government agencies say Chinese government,then it may only be blocked in China.In short forum is bound to follow the law of country from where it operates but it is its discretion to follow other laws or not

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The positive regarding the BFL episode was that if a PM of yours was submitted, you were informed about it.
So it won't come as a bolt from the blue if you are questioned.

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Quote from: x13 on April 05, 2016, 04:16:53 PM

First of all, I want to say that I am not part of any illegal activities or something similar. I ask this question because I am curious.

Is Bitcointalk.org (the owners/maintainers) passing information to investigation authorities on request for user information in the case of big frauds and scams ( e.g. Mt.Gox etc)?

Really no one is safe from prosecution of the law and if they want details they are going to get them most of the time. So just imagine some one is looking over your shoulder at all times and you should be alright. Pretty sure I am on a list somewhere due to gambling but they most likely think I was sending funds to terrorists. Some day I will have to explain I am a degen gambler in front of judge and suspect quite a lot of gamblers will be in the same boat.

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I am sure this is a shock for many forum members here. Shocked

But I can see why, since the court of law can ask for information for a case when it comes to laundering money.

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Yeah they have to if they want to keep the forum up and running I would imagine. This is life. Bitcoin is not above the law nor is this forum, and I'm glad to see scams being prosecuted.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 05, 2016, 04:19:55 PM

Yes. The forum has received subpoenas in the past and has complied. Read: BFL Subpoena.

Oh wow, I didn't know about that. Interesting information...

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Yes. The forum has received subpoenas in the past and has complied. Read: BFL Subpoena.

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Things are called shit for a reason, dear.

First of all, I want to say that I am not part of any illegal activities or something similar. I ask this question because I am curious.

Is Bitcointalk.org (the owners/maintainers) passing information to investigation authorities on request for user information in the case of big frauds and scams ( e.g. Mt.Gox etc)?

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