Topic: Is capitalism killing morality in the name of the law? (Read 697 times)

Why are you curious about my religion? I did not give any religious reference in my arguments. Why do you associate morality with religion only? Is morality monopolized only by religion? Anyway, this is irrelevant to the topic, but to satisfy your curiosity, I can say that I do not believe in God and I am a member of the human race. I am against the destruction of moral and virtue rules created by the history of humanity by the capital class.

Women who commit suicide in the porn industry experience it because of the bullying in the industry.

https://meaww.com/why-porn-stars-kill-themselves-death-suicide-dakota-s-kye-dahlia-sky-porn-industry-depression

You unrelatedly associate the issue with the religious in order to ignore those who pushed them to this extinction. They use vulnerable women for their bad purposes to make more money. I find this immoral. I don't think it's right to ignore the way greedy people hurt others.


P.S. I am starting to think this discussion is not fruitful. I will lock this thread in a few days.

It is important to note that different societies and cultures may have different views on what is considered moral or immoral, and laws can reflect those societal norms and values.

It is also worth considering that regulations and laws can be put in place to protect consumers and ensure fair business practices, rather than solely to make more money for capitalists. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that all laws regulating these industries are solely motivated by profit.

Overall, the issue of the relationship between morality and capitalism is complex and multifaceted, and there are many different perspectives and arguments on the matter.

Women who commit suicide in the porn industry do so not because of what they do but because of the stigmatization and judgement of people like you. You can't just pick and choose what's immoral and what is not for everyone. I don't know what race or religion you belong to but if you tell me and I'm willing to indulge you I can pick out a few things that you do that are immoral to a certain set of people.

By the way, stop that sorry line of "why are so many porn victims killing themselves".
Suicide rate in general has increase. We have religious people committing suicide these days, people who do "honest work" according to you commit suicide. People from every single part of life commit suicide.

Usury and prostitution are older than the term and concept of capitalism. The world has been always like this. Actually, it's said prostitution is the oldest of all professions in the world.

There are people who are greedy and want to earn money without any efforts, through the use of their own money or own bodies, then we have loan sharks and prostitutes. And even though they are frowned up in most socities, they have always existed, because there is constant demand for those services...

However, don't put this over capitalism's shoulders, as they exist as independent things.

Usury? Nah, it's more like "you-sorry," am I right? But for real, interest rates ain't the enemy; they're just part of the game. They let lenders stack that paper while borrowers get that cash they need. Sure, there are some sketchy lenders out there, but let's focus on taking them down instead of hating on interest rates.

So when you borrow some dough, don't stress about usury. Just check the deets and know what you're getting into. And remember, borrowing can be a dope way to level up your life, as long as you keep it smart.

You do realize usury is defined as excess rates of interest far higher than the norm?

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the illegal action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest.
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so if I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back a week later = usury

and if a bank or even I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back in a year = a legal enough loan

It can be said that the point of view on morality is a complex issue and there are many different views. There may be conflict between ethical views and financial and business regulations, however this does not mean that ethical concepts are being killed by the imposed laws of capital. Financial and business regulations can be established to ensure soundness and honesty in business operations, while protecting consumer interests and ensuring growth. But bringing politics in to see how it affects morality I think it's fair enough, when each of us was born and raised in a common environment, the earth, why keep separate, when that we can love and help each other equally. I understand the moral chaos of the moment, because it is impossible to keep it good forever according to one's own understanding, and everything when it grows to a certain extent, there is a deterioration, if it's better then it'll thrive again.

I think that viewpoint is a bit too narrow. A capitalist can be some who makes a 1000 per week, which is in many countries a low income. Same with calling people rich because there is a belief that instead of a thousand he makes 10k without any proof that it is that way.
Even a millionaire is not that rich as many think just because he has 2 houses each 500 k worth.

Capitalism has changed the power of the world economy, capitalists can now easily dominate and control a country's economy, they are the real rulers, unfortunately many countries do not care about issues like this so they choose to close their eyes and allow capitalist practices.

All have laws, in my country, porn sites were banned many years ago. But the problem is that the internet is so vast, and many people defy the law that the government cannot block it or control it all. The development of technology is also a double-edged sword, with the proliferation of VPN software, blocking such pornographic sites is almost impossible. For me, the porn industry is a harmful industry, many rapes and murders are also partly rooted in pornography.

Culture and religion can influence this matter mate. if the country is an Islamic majority, it will definitely reject the porn industry, alcohol and gambling. Although they still run it independently without any legal protection from the government. Call it the Arab kingdom, they are unlikely to legalize the industry but lately they have started to open up to the tourism industry, whereas what we know from the past the Arab kingdom was closed to foreign cultures that entered (tourists) to vacation there.

It also makes sense capitalist killing morality, and in this era the most important thing is economic progress.

Is it possible to build a society based on ethical and moral values?  This is a very difficult question...

Such experiments have been undertaken in the history of the world. 

One of the most famous is the construction of socialism, as the first step towards building communism.  Communism is an ideal social system in which the rule operates - "Each person contributes to the well-being of Mankind, while the needs of all people are satisfied, regardless of the size of their contribution to the common cause!"  It was assumed that by the time Communism was built, the borders between all countries would disappear, and all people would adhere to high moral principles.  As you know, Communism was never built. 

Capitalism, unlike Communism, does not require high moral principles from people.  The main virtues of the capitalist are reasonable selfishness, adequacy and vigorous activity aimed at making a profit. 

Many scold capitalism because it encourages human vices.  But this is not surprising, given that the basis of capitalism is a philosophical theory according to which a reasonable egoist (as opposed to a religious or communist fanatic) does good not only for himself, but for the whole society by his actions.

If you want to be successful, of course everyone has to find out everything for themselves because every thing that is needed will not be obtained if we are not active in looking for it. And it's not only about the rules and how to play whatever may be related to certain morals and laws in a certain scope, but also in work or in running a business that we have mastered, because the rules are only part of the points that everyone must understand before start doing something in his life.

I think yes, the more we don't have money, we will be looked down upon and oppressed by people. We don't have to be rich. Obviously, we have to be grateful for our situation, because some rich people will legalize any means to make money, even if they bribe the government.

yes, those are the rules, the rich make the rules so if we want to win this game we have to follow the rules in it, or at least we know how to play it.
otherwise we will only be losers and always fail, no one will tell you the rule,  you must find out with yourself.

I don't understand what you mean by mixed economy, whether it's a regulation that was deliberately made by a few parties so that it looks so strange to me. Because here at my place all the rules are written clearly and are also clearly visible so that everyone almost understands how the rules of the country are even though there are those who break them sometimes.

You also need to adjust this to your own religious rules, because those who make such rules I think are so basic, because they don't think about usury that can arise when examined through the rules of the religion that you currently adhere to. So don't equate your rules of belief with rules of economics in general because you'll never find a clearer convergence through them.

The current world economic conditions are indeed controlled by capitalism, since the 2nd world war ended, socialist practices have slowly faded and been replaced by a capitalist system, it is natural that it causes many problems such as economic inequality, and most of the victims are native or local residents.

Well, if you take loans from the bank and you are late you will keep your arms and legs at least. So it's more civilized to do business with banks than with loan sharks.


It's a tricky profession where some girls are exploited from very young ages... but to not get too much into it, we can say that in countries with legalized prostitution people who work in that industry (both women and men) have some rights.


I can quote an Italian guy from the "Kings of Cannabis" documentary again... "In Italy, he would be arrested and sentenced for what he is doing in the Netherlands fully legally". He is making a lot of money from making weed products, having stores, and people following him on social networks.
Bottom line is that some politicians still live in the stone age... following some laws and regulations from decades and centuries ago. It's the 21st century, and someone would expect people to be more open-minded and aware of the world and all the living and unloving things in this world (especially with digitalization where people can learn a lot more about everything from home).

I think those at the top have the right to change the rules about everything,but I guess they said or changed it subtly.
and I think in some countries/regions there are still those who maintain their customs.

I think they only put that as a way to discipline the people to be prompt on paying their bills. Is it effective right? Because most people don't want to be charged by extra fees so they are now paying early or even in advance. There are still some who can't pay on time for some reasons (mostly financial) so they have no choice but to face the consequences.

@OP it's not the capitalist who killed the morality of the people but it was the people who are involved on those professions that you said (pornography). There are regulations but I don't think they are a bad thing. It might be there to prevent under age people to get involved in this business.

Yes, I participated in a signature campaign, but this is not a bank promotion campaign or a porn promotion campaign. Is this difficult for you to understand?

I asked you a few questions. Since you couldn't answer these questions, you made some wrong determinations about my personality and identity.

You have actually proven by your behavior that you contradict your own ideas.

1- I did not say that gambling is immoral.
2- I criticized the bank and the porn industry.
3- I think you considered the gambling industry immoral and blamed me for it.
4- However, I did not make any criticism in the context of gambling and morality.
5- You tried to catch me from the wrong place and showed us some moral reflexes in your subconscious.

I want to continue the discussion on a more intellectual level. Please don't try to make a judgment about my personality. Even if I am not a righteous person, my thoughts may reflect ideals. I want to see this issue as a place where concepts collide. At the end of the day, let's all be brothers again. If you want to answer me again, you can start with the questions I asked you in my previous message, that's what I did to you. I don't want to make you or anyone else nervous. I just want to talk about concepts.

Almost all systems related to finance currently contain or have the potential to become usury, when we are late paying internet fees there will be fines and means usury, a system like this really destroys life and social values, especially most of those who have large companies and dominate the current economy are capitalists.

In my country, it is more of a mixed economy because as we have people who do usury we have some banks which do not. For prostitution and related business, there are regulations to them to curb any excesses.

Rather than morality, we can argue it is a matter of freedom and the right of people to take part in economic professions that are perceived not to be directly harmful to anyone.

In the case of prostitution, the idea behind it is the possibility of abuse and exploitation of women, specially those who are desperate for some kind of income.  So the instead banning things like that, the idea is to provide the environment and laws which would allow anyone who wishes to work that day, minimizing the negative aspects.

In general, morality is a very relative concept.

Some would argue that Porn don’t directly cause harm to people nor does it cause loss of life. Infact pornography is a thriving business venture that many has been able to make Profits of it.

But the fact that people make profits of some doesn’t make it right if not some drugs should be legalized. I believe pornography should be optional to people of the right age and this law should be enforced and not just by clicking yes I am eighteen makes one an adult.

Exactly


So has socialism
An opinion
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/458125-socialism-does-more-harm-than-good-for-the-environment/

I liked Socialism in my youth and more education got rid of that I guess, don't believe politicians comes closest.

True, capitalism has damaged the economic system which should be mutually beneficial and mutually helpful, when capitalism enters a country then usually the country will experience increasing poverty problems, capitalism is usually supported by strong media so it looks like they are helping the country's economy.

I don't see the fault here with capitalism, it's unconvincing the OP makes such grounds. Sometimes imposed laws and business pressures can lead to some difficult or conflicting ethical decisions. It is important that we uphold our ethical values ​​and strive to find ways to work with business pressures to ensure that our decisions are not only profitable but also meet our ethical values and make positive contributions to the community.

The concept is man-made so they can change it according to their will. What I see in today's society is that our world is becoming pragmatic. That means people won't care if what they do is unethical, belittled, or not as long as they make money. Once they have money, they can use the money to buy aura to wash away the stains of the past. The rich are right in whatever they say, and being honored, few pay attention to their past. While to the poor, everything you say is wrong, and no one cares who you are.

I understand your concern about the lack of morality in modern society, I believe that morality still exists to some extent. Money and capitalism do play an important role, but we shouldn't generalize and say that morality is dead.

Regarding someone's position, is it still A or B, we just have to respect it. Of course, the role of all parties is needed, both the government, the community and the smallest ourselves so that we can protect it together. The government also has a big Homework, namely providing access to dignified jobs that enable them to support themselves and their families so that this inequality is quickly resolved and does not become a disease in society.

Surprisingly countries that follow the capitalist policy is more successful than the communism so that is the answer. Morality doesn't really matter when it comes to money, because it's the most powerful weapon which can do anything you want when you have enough to pay for it.

Atleast by the regulation the underground activities are not happening so there is no individual is making all the money but the politicians do which is different though but we have the power to choose right government so if you do so then everything will be good for the society.

And look who was telling us about morals!
Look who was telling people to not fall for the capitalist disease!
Look who was looking down at banks that charge interest and women who do porn!

The morality police that once it made it to full member immediately started advertising a casino!
This just proves how shallow your beliefs are, 50$ a week and you would sell all of them, probably you would do it even for less. Too bad there aren't some xxx projects around that pay for signatures, for 100$ I bet you would forget everything and start carrying xxx signs!
Pathetic!


Morale is something different, again, not the first time:

Do you have a clue how many times gods have died in my country in the last two millennia?
We had 2 or 3 sets of gods before Christianity, what happened to those gods? Did capitalism kill them also? Just lol!


But you could marry someone against her wish before she was even born and get another wife if the first one can't give birth to a boy!
Pretty decent times, do you miss them that much?


Stop treating your wife or your girlfriend like objects, it's not like you're buying a car and you want it to be brand new, and it's not like you have defiled someone because you have had sex with it, this is a dark ages mentality, the same mentality that sent people to be burned because they asked themselves if maybe the Sun is not spinning around the earth.

The trend that is happening in almost all countries today is the problem of capitalism, it seems that capitalism has a strong network that makes the state powerless against it, in my country the capitalists have networks in several countries or regions so that whatever they do the state cannot prevent or stop. but for the sake of national sovereignty, it is time for the state to take firm action against the capitalists.

Everyone in modern world thinks that it's okay but I highly disagree. There is no morale in this world and what only matters is money. And capitalism truly played its role in vanish of morale in people.
Religion doesn't exist, gods are dead in modern society. People say that they are christians and they steal, kill, commit adultery, bear false witness. It's also funny how Muslin people can't buy alcohol or gamble in their country but outside of borders they do whatever they want.

Morale doesn't exist, you can't deny that and you can't say that it's good. At past you couldn't marry to a woman who wasn't virgin but today who is virgin? And I'll never understand why boys like it, it's terrible when you go outside and constantly meet people who had sex with your wife, its terrible when you go to school and constantly see men who had sex with your mother. Today girls are proud of their high body count, maybe their fathers are proud too, who knows, maybe I'm very old-fashioned despite being very young, who knows.

And why do people, especially women always praise prostitution as the only possible way for feeding their children? What's wrong in being a cleaner? Cashier? Baker? There is nothing wrong in it, why should someone do prostitution when there are other options? It's just a choice they choose because they want, they like and just one piece of advice, never believe in prostitute's tears.

Outstanding observation, pal! Usury and prostitution, seen as immoral in nearly every culture, yet their present-day equivalents – banking and adult entertainment – operate under legal regulations. Wild times we're in, huh? But, addressing your query, I don't reckon moral values are getting crushed by money-hungry capitalists imposing laws. Nah, it's more about viewpoint. What's wicked for some could be tolerable for others. We're juggling the tightrope of morality and legislation. In conclusion, let's kick back, soak in the madcap reality we call home, and have a blast! After all, we only live once, right? YOLO, baby!

If you want to live like a saint, what are you doing in this forum? Bitcoin is being used by many criminals but here you are making posts here. Porn is still making the most money because there is infinite demand and so little pussy supply. Even though it is legal to make money that way, it is still not everybody's first choice. If everyone was a porn star, the market would be oversaturated and no one would make any money.

Humanity can't exist without capitalism. Socialism is against our instincts. Capitalism exists because we want it to exist.

While it is true that capitalism and the pursuit of profit can sometimes clash with moral values, it is important to note that laws and regulations are often created to protect individuals and society as a whole. It is possible that the law is made by considering moral considerations and economic interests.

However, there is always a risk that powerful capitalist interests could exert undue influence on the making or enforcement of laws, creating a potential conflict of interest.

I think it's back to society as well to strike a balance between economic and moral considerations, and hold lawmakers and businesses accountable for their actions.

Capitalism, in my opinion, can also have a human face. Now the governments of various countries are trying to change the laws, to make them closer to ordinary people. They understand that the old policy has reached a dead end, and they are trying to do a certain reset

Why should the poor get help?
Not typical the observation as I lived a time next to a latin barrio > from thursday onwards party.
I have "poor" neigbours which have better cloth than me, smoke and drink coke instead of water.

In my opinion capitalism destroys morals and social values, capitalism does not care about the poor who should be helped, the poor are marginalized and even killed if they are no longer productive or can no longer be used, it is time for the state to protect the public interest by abolishing the capitalist system.

Every system is killing itself, compare with the socialist countries and you see that capitalism las lifted more people out of poverty than socialist countries have people. Socialist countries tent to induce poverty as a mass indoctrination tool.

This is interesting to talk about. Somehow I think that the prostitution as an act which involves direct contact by opposite sex in sexual gratification for money or other exchange in satisfaction could be different from what capitalism has come up with in porn industry. For the Porn people, Porn industry is made in form of movie industry to also teach some people a few things or information, revelation of what they seem not to know or what will interest them. In this form like fiction movies, cartoon, epic, action movies, romantic etc and like porn movies. So they are all creation of capitalism in different forms like any other business organizations like construction companies, IT, agriculture, oil and gas etc are all the view of how a porn star or porn company director would see his business or explain it to be.
So they may not see porn industry as immoral but like any other business investment or organization.

Haha this is really true. I just saw a reel that day which showed pretty much this only. In it people were doing prostitution but eventually police catches them but they had a camera nearby so they told it's not actually prostitution it's porn as it's paid but it's being recorded. So you are correct when big companies wants things their way they know how to change the law as well. I think it's more like immoral concepts are also becoming legal due to capitalism.

You raised a good point, i want to say few words before answering your question that when i was kid i thought why is it USA and other big economic countries are making hell lot of money while my country is not regardless of import and export professions. Then i came to know that, USA and similar countries do not look at the impact on morality, of work they are doing, like the ones you mentioned and list is long.

To digest this, i come up with an answer that, what if those countries do not see capitilism as immoral because immorality of something is declared according to person's nature, culture and religion. If our culture or religion telling us, this work or profession is immoral we do not tend to work in that, even stop others too. Regardless of thinking how much money it could generate and how much tax will be paid resulting in better economy but no we just say "no" to those professions.

While these countries are not taking it as immoral professions due to the nature of there culture, so overall, to me i see them as immoral and the one who is involve in them will have to meet consequences.

Usury, prostitution, selling of drugs, usage of alcohol etc are few on my list of immoral professions.

There are thousands of jobs we can do to earn money. Making money by prostitution is the easiest and most embarrassing of these. If you ask me, I'd rather live half-starved than go through something like this. Because I am an honorable person. Do you know what honor is?
 
And why do you think I am muslim? I don't even believe in god. Is morality only their monopoly? Are you jealous of their morals? I did not give any religious references in my arguments. Do you have a hard time talking to me without reference to religious references? Please don't deviate from the topic.



Women working in the porn industry commit suicide due to drug addiction and psychological humiliation.
 
Women who commit suicide while working in other sectors experience this because of different difficulties in their social lives.
 
Are these two the same? Please don't deviate from the topic.

And I don't spread hate. Capitalism is destroying concepts such as morality and virtue created by thousands of years of human history. Please don't distort what I said. Actually, you don't have to be honest with me. You can keep accusing me of being a peasant by using derogatory terms like you always do. However, if you are not honest with yourself, you will lose your self-respect and one day you will turn into a bad person. I'm sure it would bother you if your mother acted in a porn movie. However, you have to defend even humiliating situations because the capitalism you are defending offers you this on a golden platter.



Now I will answer the question that you are very curious about. I'm here because financial freedom doesn't mean getting rich for me. Financial freedom means getting rid of the capitalist-colonial banks for me. Satoshi is a bank killer hero for me. Does it mean just making a little more money for you? Oh! Of course, this could not have meant anything else to a capitalist. Sorry for asking you this question.
 
 
Before I forget, I must say that 500,000 children killed by the USA in Iraq have provided you with a comfortable life and a great education.
https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1506706179178725379
 
https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/



How similar is it, right? There is no difference between them. He who rejects one of them rejects the other. Whoever accepts one of them also accepts the other. Would you like to make a confession to me now? Is the murder of 500 thousand children quite normal for you? How many more children will have to die before you can have a comfortable education and a comfortable life?
 
I hope I didn't put you in a difficult situation as an ordinary peasant. You elites please forgive the vulgar behavior of the common peasants, my lord.

Usury has a very serious basis.  How was it before?  

A farmer threw a grain of wheat into the damp earth and a year later received a harvest - an ear grew from one grain, on which there were hundreds of wheat grains.  

The fisherman made a fishing rod and caught several tens of kilograms of fresh fish.  

The hunter made a bow and killed a deer weighing several tens of kilograms.  The cow gave calves and milk, the chickens gave eggs....

People realized that benefits can arise from nothing, it only takes time.  Therefore, back in the days of the ancient Sumerians, people came to the idea that money is also a commodity and money can reproduce itself.  This is a very important idea.... The ancient Sumerians discovered the principle of the time value of money.  

And for a fisherman (hunter, farmer, peasant) usury was not evil.  Because people understood that it was important right now to buy grain for sowing, fishing tackle, bowstring, etc.  

Every business needs initial capital, and after making a profit, both the principal and the interest on the loan can be easily repaid.  Interest-bearing loans are the backbone of any business.

So how exactly should a bank lend money? without interest? If yes then there will be no need for the banks. Banks have their shortcomings but we can't deny how much they've added to the development of our world as we know it today. From the beginning of time lending money for interest has been a thing if a particular people, culture, religion, or belief disagrees with it then that doesn't make it immoral, we disagree on a lot of other things.
And funny you should mention prostitution. My major problem with prostitution is that it enables sex and human trafficking. If whoever is doing it is actually doing it out of their own free will then it's their life. It may be immoral to you but again it's not your life.
Capitalism, like Democracy, has its downside but it's by far the best option. There would still be prostitutes in a socialist economy.

I'm sorry, maybe I don't know something, but...
And what - for women who turned out to be alone with children, there are no options to earn money other than prostitution?
I know examples, I’ll clarify - this is in my country (maybe something is wrong with us ?! ) a woman can work remotely at home, be part-time, be an IT specialist, psychologist, pediatrician, head of a bank branch, co-owner of a company, or co-founder of an agricultural holding... Why only prostitution?! Is the woman some other kind of people?
Well, if we are talking about this topic, then let's remember the saying "a coin has two sides." The second side of the coin is the consumers of the service, or those who force them to do it ... This is a more real problem. The problem is the sale of girls for a husband at 12 years old. The problem is that in some countries - a woman from birth has a lower social status. And they are simply forced to trade themselves, because. they have NO PERSPECTIVES from birth. I won’t specify, but there are some countries and some religions where, on the one hand, the cult of PARENTS, and on the other hand, a woman (the future Mother who gives life to all of us in the physical world) has no rights ...

So you're not just someone who hasn't set foot outside his village you're also a racist?
I wonder how the tens of people around here that are black,  both Muslim and not keen on porn are digesting your quote!
Are you're going to hate your mother for the rest of your life if he had sex with two in high school, or are you going to hate her if she did that to feed your sorry ass and to afford to have you going to school instead of working in a labor camp?

Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 10:16:01 AM

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?

And there are tons of women committing suicide after working in a bank or in a school
And there are tons of women stoned to death by angry mobs who want to impose theirs views on morality!

Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 10:16:01 AM

Please reply without blaming me guys. I'm not asking you for your minority opinions in the field of theory.

Minority? Again you dream of somehow being the voice of the majority? Set foot outside your village, there are 8 billion people out there!

You still haven't answered my questions about what you do on his forum where you want to promote your hate propaganda:
How did you buy your coins? By trading morality or with money (capital)
Why did you buy your coins, not to earn more and increase your capital?

Keep your hate where it belongs locked in a closet in your basement, this is not a propaganda forum nor one where you should start to preach your absurd views on the whole world. This is about bitcoin, and as much, as you hate it bitcoin is the pure product of capitalism without control.

In my opinion capitalization is robbery supported by law, unfortunately many governments support capitalization, now few countries still maintain the role of the state and limit capitalization so that it can make its people feel more justice and economic prosperity.

I will say some countries doesn't have law and I believe that law that's meant for nation is not authentic we expected because corruption have take every where, some times people bring up their own law the way I'm seeing it perfectly, so I believe such very well, many people have taken some measures which I have seen that have putting them into problems.

That is literally what illegal means. Legal means what the government allows you to do, there is law, and if you follow the law then it is legal, and if government changes the law, which they are there for, then it will become illegal, or vice versa.

I am not against that, governments should definitely change laws and make things legal or illegal, remember owning slaves was legal at some point in history, it's not now, so the ability to change the law is something quite important without a doubt. However, some governments take this as a big deal and then change what is good into bad as well, like letting abortion be legal was great, but then turned that into illegal again for some reason.

Capitalism has a "protective mechanism against such moves, at least mass ones ... Capitalism = market. A market with equal rights, which means it is well regulated by law, and the law is not for one person, but for everyone. And there are a lot of "controlling" systems. And for example, in totalitarian countries - this just happens. But there is no morality there, there is TOTALITARISM, the purpose of which is to satisfy the fantasies of one or a small group, at the expense of the majority. Do not confuse these concepts

Legalizing something illegal is an act of capitalists who want a business to run smoothly by cooperating with lawmakers. Money and power are the main tools to achieve goals. Maybe you see it's something bad for society. But some others see it as a necessity for the community, so there is a need for legal arrangements. Maybe the two examples you gave are not so bad, but what about LGBT. But for those who want this they see it as a human right that cannot be contested.
Maybe you also saw how it was popularized.
Sorry, maybe some are happy with that and contradict what I have said. But this has violated human nature and rejected God's provisions. It is still used as a business field.
Three things that make us able to change something that is bad for the better in the general public, namely power, money, thoughts. These three things cannot be separated to achieve the goal.

There is nothing like illegal profession. Unless government doesn't want to legalise it. A profession can only be called illegal if the government is finding it difficult to regulate and earn from it. Take bitcoin for instance.
When bitcoin was new, some government tagged it to be illegal because they don't find way they can regulate it and earn from it. Now that they have discovered how to task bitcoin related payments, they have started legalising bitcoin.
Government makes law and they unmake laws, they modernise and they also victims. The government system is crooked and rigged.

Capitalism has triumphed in achieving a large part of the prosperity that we live in today, but of course this was at the expense of destroying systems that governed economic and social relations as well. Marxism explains how the moral system is basically determined by the economic system. The culture of the free market and the encouragement of individual initiative made it easy for society to break the restrictions that were imposed by the moral systems whose foundations were laid by religion and customs.
But there are many fallacies that many fall into when they start accusing the capitalist economic system of being an immoral economy, because the moral situation in the pre-capitalist systems (feudalism and slavery) was not better. The feudal lords in the previous system monopolized power by blessing religion, which was the main source of all moral legislation, either by blessing or prohibition.

Capitalism like this will continue to happen, especially with human greed, which is always looking for any way to make a profit, so something like this is very possible and puts morality aside. The role of law can also erode morale because it is certain that things that do not really reflect morally like this will still exist as long as there is a legal umbrella to protect it. with a different design already mastered.

Well, the system needs alot of immoralities to further weaken humans/societies, continue to transform them into full blown zombies and make them easy to control and conquer. It's easier for them to quickly expand their kingdom by incentivizing the evil. That is the main reason (aside from the diminshing of good things) they sell alot of bad foods, drinks, sex, drugs, etc. In their world the good can weaken their kingdom and their grip on humanity while the bad strengthens & expand it.
Similar thing happens in the micro world specifically in human cells. The invaders will have to use similar approach to take full control of the cells, by  causing the human host to consume and do things that are bad for the body then they replicate and expand quickly.

Capitalism is indeed a problem for the national economy, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and they will be expelled from the land or houses they own because of capitalism, and in my opinion the state must stop capitalism so that the state can provide justice.

You accuse me of being a peasant. Then you must pass this test.

If your mom and 7 niggers were in an action movie(?), would you consider it normal? Would that be an art for you?

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?


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Oh! How can they call democracy lovers who kill children devils? It's really hard to understand this. USA came there and bought oil within free market agreements. Those who hate the USA are definitely brainwashed people. What's immoral about this? Oh, those old-school folks. Yes I remember now. Their brains were machine washed at 100 degrees Celsius along with colored laundry. I guess that's why they're like this.



Please reply without blaming me guys. I'm not asking you for your minority opinions in the field of theory. I want to learn how we are pushed under the opposite imposition when almost the entire world has the same views as me in the field of practice.

The pornographic industry isn't the same as prostitution. Those in the industry see themselves as actors (and that's rightly so) because it's a movie industry. We can safely refer to prostitution as an exchange of sex for money. In porn, actors get paid for their roles just like others in other movie sects (be it soaps, sitcoms, horror movies, religious etc) and not that they're exchange sex for pay.

Yes, I think capitalism has actually corrupted morals more than any other pattern of government; be it feudalism, socialism or communism. Of these I mentioned, capitalism is the worst. This is one of the major dislikes of democracy.

IMO, ethical concepts still exist and are considered very important in society. However, the application of legal provisions to control unscrupulous activities such as loan sharking or prostitution is necessary to protect the interests of consumers and prevent violations of the law. The imposed laws of capital may contribute to business practices, but that is to ensure fairness.

I disagree with porn industry being a modern counterpart of prostitution. They both are different niches of the global adult industry.
Usury is the illegal process of financially exploiting people, who borrowed money from the loan sharks. Banking has little to do with financial exploitation. Certain businesses like prostitution and gambling have to be regulated by the law, instead of being declared as completely illegal.
Making those businesses completely illegal would be a step in the wrong direction. Just like the dry regime in the USA back in the 20th century.
The mobsters would expand their crimes just because certain activities are banned. The majority of the people don't have very high morals by default.
 

I think that's the same thing, with the products issued by the capitalists will indirectly shift civilization or era, because people's focus of attention races on what they watch every day, especially today their products are directly knocking on the door of the house both in banking loans, watching movies, and products ringing through your cell phone every day.


Yes, of course they are accomplished capitalists who are already very big, of course they are able to take advantage of existing regulatory loopholes, maybe they even take action to break the rules because no one dares to go against them. They always have a way, even when the regulations are strict, the capitalists will try to show expanses of money to policy makers to protect and cover their goals from the public, so that some of them make transactions either in political transactions or directly for the continuity of their business. But what is clear in my mind is that they are capitalists who do not pay attention to morality because their orientation is profit.

Why do some people think they can touch such complicated subjects and with two phrases voila, they've overcome definitions of things that thousands before them couldn't? I just woke up with this idea, I've solved a millennium of enigmas!



Immoral for you, not immoral for others.
Again, seems like you really need to go and explore the world outside your hometown cause prostitution is legal in a ton of countries, another mistake is that you think porn is more regulated than prostitution, this is just hilarious.


You probably don't understand what capitalism is.
Prostitution exists even in countries that aren't capitalistic regarding economics, loan sharks existed way before any kind of depiction of either capitalism or socialism existed, and more importantly, the so-called moral concepts of one person don't apply to another. If you want to understand how the world works the first thing you need to do is stop trying to impose your view on others and see how they view your own principles and so-called morality.

Btw, why are you investing in BTC
So you could make money doing nothing?
If you ask some random people on the street or way better in a church or mosque, that's highly immoral of you!

Oh, more on the topic
How did you buy those coins? Maybe, with capital?


Because they are brainwashed with propaganda that US=Capitalis and that the US is evil and capitalism is a tool to make everyone the slaves of the USA? Out of 100 people who shout death to capitalism, 99 don't even know what capitalism is, there are some of them that think it's a party or a movement, they associate it with a country, with politics, with everything failing to understand what deep roots it has in human history.
Capitalism was something normal for millennia it's communism and a planned economy that are the aberrations in our history.

The interest getting for the money is against the Muslim religion,But due to huge financial problems.The Muslim also taking loan to solve their economic problems.It doesn’t mean,they do against the Religious Ideology.The have get away from the convective ideology of the religion and get into the modern thought.Incase you are going to do your sibling marriage,your father depends on you for the money.But you don’t have any money in the savings,So you are forced to take some loan to help your father and your brother.So at such things, you are worked ethically then a Moral.

The woman was soulmate of man and depends on the man incomes.But most of the man not treat their wife equal and give him full money of their expenses.When the woman need money for their own survival and their children education,the woman are forced to do prostitution.It’s against the moral and it’s not against the ethical one.In such situations,woman are forced to use that option to get away from the situation.

The only solution for first one is we should have a savings at all stage to get away from the economic situation like marriages.Every man should take care of their family and his woman to avoid of prostitution by his woman in the society.

I do not understand why a lot of people are really angry about capitalism even though the capitalists are the brains of the civiliazation. They called the brains for a reason, they are the ones who build schools, they are the ones who provide jobs, they are the one who provide foods, they are the ones who build houses, they are the ones who build gadgets, they are the ones who invent new technologies and they are the one why we have now a good, safe and positive environment. It really doesn't make any sense to see a lot of people who see capitalism as bad even though they got benefited by the capitalist people. They do not have jobs to earn money if there is no capitalism, they cannot provide to their family if there are no capitalist. There are a lot of benefits and advantages of capitalism and people are usually not looking on this but to loss for the disadvantages. The things is, we should see the world with abundance and prosperity if we want to have a good and better life. Avoid thinking negative and avoid saying negative things to ourselves and to the people around us.

I think all professions that we think are not right can be justified by the legal basis or the government that regulates them.
I remember that a small ban on playing games can make you worse, they said, but when Covid happened in 2020, WHO advised us to play games, so basically they are happy to change it according to their interests.

Even before, prostitution is already considered a job to earn money. So we can't say that capitalism is involved in making businesses like this. We're all aware that we people have a lust side where they found it as source of income by paying for your body. But from this era, it evolves to online which is onlyfans account where they can be safe at home. If it doesn't pay well then people wouldn't sell their morality and dignity. But from these days capitalism involved could guarantee your safety unlike doing your job alone.

But there should also be no political system to discuss this, a question that is complex and cannot be answered simply. However, some people are of the opinion that capitalism can use the law to protect their interests and sometimes to the detriment of morality and fairness. For example, some companies may take advantage of loopholes in the law to avoid responsibility for the environment or for their employees. However, not all capitalists are like that, and laws can be used to protect morality and equity if designed and implemented properly.

There is the famous saying that prostitution is the oldest profession in human history, so in our past people must have tried to regulate it for a long time already. In my country it's legal too and is nothing evil, because it gives better protection for the workers. If something is illegal it doesn't mean people won't do it, it's just that it will be hidden from the law. Capitalism isn't really at fault here because it has been around much longer than we have capitalism. Same goes for banking, the concept of borrowing and lending money has been around for hundreds of years. It's much older than capitalism and we can't blame it for all the evil. How are we being killed by capitalism? I think that in a military dictatorship many more people are getting killed by the regime.

i personally couldn't relate to that but I have somehow few ideas that comes to my mind when we talk about usury. usually those who conduct it (lenders) are oftentimes called loansharks as far as I know and yes it's true that it is an not a right thing to do. it is also true that you can choose not to choose that option, but there're some instances that some debtors will cling to that as their last resort, and it is not someone's fault since both parties agreed the terms either written or verbal agreement. there are also cases in which lenders will just raised the interest unreasonably and immediately without further notice but most of the times the first scenario is quite common.

as far as I am concern also, prostitution is one of the oldest jobs here in the world and no matter what we do, it will always be part of our history. yes it is immoral and I do agree that there will always be someone who will choose being capitalistic even if it means they are stomping their own dignity. you can even see them on podcasts nowadays about this adult film actors/actresses being proud of their ideals which is immoral. i also personally dislike those ideas i'd prefer gamble my money than paying for those things even if they say it's for the sake of "entertainment".

Lending services has always been there, capitalism didn't invent it nor did it force morality ton suddenly disappear with it being regulated. In fact it simply helped in creating a centralized system around it imo, and as long as the larger majority is ok with it, that would be how the norms of society shall view it as well.

Same with the porn industry. Society developed, and the same could be said with societal norms. I'd agree in some sense that capitalism has changed our and society's mindset to what it is now,  but the same could be said for anything else really. It's not the sole factor involved. Heck you can actually say that the norms were already changing, capitalists simply took advantage of it and say, hastened it's development for their profits.

Usury and prostitution are not a creation of capitalism. Even in socialist economies, these two professions exist and they are as old as man. Capitalism has its merits and demerits. One of its most profound advantages is that it promotes competition which reduces exploitation by monopolists. While it's demerit is that some capitalists pursue excess profit when they have the opportunity without considering the plight of the masses.

Capitalism is not killing morality but morality is dying because of greed and selfishness. Even in the so-called socialist societies we still see corrupt leaders embezzling the perceived commonwealth,  while the people live in poverty. Collecting loans from banks with interest is not wrong because it could be used to start or expand a profitable business. Porn is technologically advanced prostitution created because of the advancement of science and technology and not capitalism.

Prostitutions? They are artists in that field. They are simply being paid huge amount and contents are with their consent so I cannot call it prostitution. Capitalists are simply making use of every opportunity that will be available on their sight and I doubt that crosses moral ideologies
. Morality in the first place is a behavior which is acceptable to the society, right? As governed by laws, ofcourse they won't allow contradictions. They have basis whether to allow something or not. Your example as well is vague; from a field or profession to banks, then government regulation?
To how I view this topic; morality, belief, and culture evolves through years, if this is your concern.

No. Capitalists don't really have that kind of power to defy social norms of their times. It's the social norms that change with time. Your examples don't show "capitalism destroying morality", it shows that religious morality is weakening in some parts of the world. Capitalism just makes use of the new opportunities.

But a new kind of morality is also being established. What some people call "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is just a modern secular morality based on ideas of tolerance and defending those who are perceived to be oppressed. So large companies cut ties with those who publicly make hateful remarks towards certain groups, even if it means that the company will immediately lose revenue, because not doing this could cause even larger revenue loss due to reputation losses. But 30 years ago they weren't doing any of that because society had different morals.

It is not a new thing that prostitution is an immoral behaviour that has been practiced long even before I was born. The fact that morality is killed due to capitalism is true, but the truth still remains that no one is forced into it. People involved in prostitution have the right to their own lives, and the law only has a few regulations that humans should abide by, but being immoral in your behaviour is a choice.

Social values generally differ in different societies and can change with the development of time. There are many things that were considered immoral in the past but are now part of our lives.

These moral values you're talking about have been killed by the capitalists who have taken over the governments and made them make laws that make these things legal, without the capitalists controlling the government they can't pass these laws in society.

But even a society that rejected such things as immoral in the past, today gladly accepts them because they have brought prosperity and wealth to the people.

money and morality, in most cases, are incompatible. After all, there is the proverb "Money doesn't smell. This proverb reveals the relationship between money and morality. Modern society increasingly adapts the morality of society to the morality of money, unfortunately.

Usury is strictly prohibited in some parts of the world, particularly in Muslim-majority countries. However, the introduction of the banking system lending service has aided many people in a variety of ways, but the perception of its illegality has not changed.


A higher percentage goes to those regulatory bodies in order for the porn industries to be regulated by law. In my opinion, this has done more harm to the moral conduct of the society, but it can’t be stopped because it is regulated by high government officials, who stand to benefit from it as well.

The practice of usury is indeed very troubling for some people and in some religions it is highly recommended to avoid it, but this problem cannot be seen as a profession because you can choose not to take usury.

You can avoid this kind of premium, if the lender expects interest, then you don't have to bother taking it and the porn industry is immoral, as well as industrial connoisseurs must limit not enjoying it.

The location of each problem is in each individual, if you refuse to accept then you will be spared, the concept of simple life is never to get involved in loans and not to be involved in anything that is believed to be damaging.

It's allowed to operate because the government benefits. If it doesn't, it most probably wouldn't be legal at all. These industries serve people, albeit somewhat challenging morality of a lot of people too. Whatever the cases is, so long as a large portion benefits, it will be approved or legalized no matter what. I don't know about porn though, because it is illegal here. But banking, IMO, does more good than harm if done correctly. Not a fan of capitalism, but it has its merits.

If the interest becomes unbearable for the debtor to pay, it becomes unacceptable anymore thus capitalism is just not the right term for it anymore.
We know it's not morally good to see a person toil their way to make money but only to give it to thier lenders.

The moral concept is to be balanced by the government.  Prostitution is still taboo but is pretty much spread as well. This is as much as Bitcoin, they couldn't stop it and it evolves online.

I don't agree with that premise. Interest-free lending is charity because the lender is giving away the benefits of what they are lending. So, a lender is immoral if they are not charitable, and charity is therefore not a virtue because it is simply the selfish avoidance of immorality.

In my own case, I loan money to people who are drowning in debt. I give them a chance to get their finances back in order and pay off their debt. I do this primarily because I think it is a benefit to society, but I also charge interest on the loans. Charging interest is necessary because many of the people I help do not pay me back. Without interest, the lending could not be sustainable. Also, I could instead charge a fee for my help based on the size of the loan, but isn't that really what interest is?


A transaction involves two people. Why is only one of them being immoral when both are making the transaction? If charging interest is immoral then being willing to pay interest is immoral. If charging for sex is immoral, then being willing to pay for sex is immoral. You say that the people making money are immoral, but the people wanting services must also be immoral.

Capitalism by design is still the best form of economy but by nature, human greed is what is destroying capitalism, the love of money has corrupted every aspect of our lives, and the lawmakers that are supposed to be the ones making laws to guide and prevent greed are the ones using the loopholes in the law they make and the inside information they have access to, to their own benefits, the Judicial system that is supposed to protect the common man has also been corrupted and justice goes to the highest bidders. I don't think anything is wrong with capitalism, we humans if it is wrong properly

Capitalism invariably has contributed to the creation of jobs and wealth, introduced new innovations, development and has brought prosperity in our today society. The height of competitiveness and capital accumulation it brings has incentivised business efficiency and growth. It might have tampered with the morals of todays society but to a larger extent it has improved the standard of living in the modern era.

Usury is part of capitalist society, its moral justification might be worthless but the honest truth is that to fit into the society without engaging in criminal act or money laundry Usury might just be one of the options. But come to think of it even the borrower no one know their intent when taking the loan. They too can ignite inflation in their own business. Majority of people in the capitalist society are guilty of the same act. The immoral living is not in Usurers alone even the local business vendors are guilty of the same act just that each does their differently.

If it's truly a capitalistic economy, then usually usury would be stomped out by the competition undercutting the high rates of which ever lender. If the market is free, competitive, and fair, then it shouldn't be a problem. Greed isn't a capitalism problem, it's a human morality problem. I wouldn't expect capitalism to be perfect, because predatory lending agencies exist -- though capitalism can make things more fair for the consumer because there's alternatives.

Usually money lending has been existing for as long as human was created both prostitution but what matters most is creating a means of channelling their regulations. Which is why they have a porn industry where it will be properly controlled and practice maybe most of them are being license which they have some percentage to remits to the government such is also applicable to money lenders.

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?