Topic: Is for you winspiral a scammer? (Read 625 times)

You are almost right:
Yes it sees complicated,but it is much more complicated to programme.
Yes never people complaint because I have never scammed.

My sites are complicated to understand...but it seems that people see ponzi sheme without understanding my systems.
I have never run a ponzi site bacause I know perfectly what a ponzi sheme is.
Now and since long time,all investmenst from own poket have been paid back with profit.
It is why you have never know complaints.


All my systems are yet till online or online in archive...And I do not understand why people can see a ponzi sheme where ponzi sheme does not exist.



So it was for me when I tried to learn website programmation...
I have started with the well known "Hello world" on a page...it was great for me...(lol)

And you...with what have you started?
Have you read the page " HELP FOR NOOBS Start step by step"?
Certainly not...

I never used Winspiral's site, because for me it's too complicated to understand how it works. But as I remember, earlier users was able to invest into system from their own pocket. And it was like obvious ponzi scheme this is why red trust is given. But now users can only re-invest their earnings from faucet if I'm correct.
I never saw any complaints or accusations that winspiral scamed users and somebody didn't received their money.

You talk about much in once.
I feel you more confuse that my site(s)

Bothering is a big word...why now?
Because my red trusts got for wrong reasons have influence of my last system.
When I say it is raining...people answer that I'm a liar because I have red trusts...

I have seen you had not understood the system...
It seems you have tried to claim a selling shares before you claimed shares.
it is not possible to sell shares before you have shares.

10 Minutes is not much for trying to understand a site with over 50 pages.
You have not claim 570 satoshi
You have claimed shares worth  657 (claim base +claim bonus = 657 )
And you have as well got a voucher worth 507 satoshi.
You will as well got dividends (I do not know yet how much but in few days you will be richer you are now)
You will get few satoshi activity bonus...perhaps 4 or 10 satoshi(lol)

Your claim was worth 1164 satosh or so.
If you take time to understand the system you will get a welcome bonus as well (ok not much for 50 pages...lol)

My system is not for bots and is not for attracting many people.
My system is for people who want something different than a classic faucet.
So long 1 member use my system one per month it is enough and the system can working perfectly.
You must understand that if the system has only one active member a month...this member will get almost all claim profit and little by little all dividends (exept the dividend from the vipshares because vip shares make dividends for ever...)

I checked your site, and it is very confusing, it took me 10 minutes to claim free 570 satoshi and tbh i still don't know what should i do. I was trying to understand what to do, but started to feel very nervous, tbh i don't think i will come back.

Anyway, you had some kind of investment there, but you have never explained how it works, and all negative trust came from that period, so why is this bothering you now, and not than? Because you are not running ponzi anymore?  

My problem is not communication...Because I have no problem (lol)
My fun is to manage my U2 system and I manage it so good as possible.
My fun is not to give away the management or the design or what you want...it's my "babby" it is like I am (lol)

My site has 305 or so members.
If ones prefer pages in red and other ones prefer in blue...I can not satisfied both.
20 years ago all my pages heve been in blue...many visitors have not found blue beautiful.

I have these datas:


The topic is about scam.
Do you really believe that with such datas and "zero" scammed person my scammer reputation is a little exageration?
Is it not strange that you can not find on the net 1 scammed person from winspiral who programmes already for over 20 years cash maker sites?
The subject is not about the quality of the site but about the scam.

No.If your members have enough trust in you and your project,they won't really bother the negative feedbacks.You shouldn't either.

I think your problem is communication.Maybe your explanation wouldn't have resonated properly and hence misleading information.You can continue promoting your site if it's all legit stuff,forum doesn't stop your from doing that. 

Again,find a translator from your locals to English.Explain him your idea and have it translated.

What is in fact the problem about the red trust given for "missunderstandness"?
Let's suppose because of the rain of red trust (16 so far) my site dies or become unproductive.
Do you really believe that my members will be happy?

I have given in average daily 30000 satoshi (now it's less (21000) but the btc price is higher)
What have given the red trusters?
Honestly...do you believe they have helped people missleading them?
Is this forum made to misslead people?

Is it normal that a webmaster with a "confuse" site is red trusted?
Fortunately I have not programmed a site about the Einstein'relativity) (lol)

By the way:
The link towards this topic is on my U2 site...You see that i have nothing to hide...

You have understood the system.
Cashback after 3 months + profit.
I have never said somewhere how much profit.
All investors have been paid back with profit...you can see each profit on the site.
The site has now merged with my U2 system.The profit from site above goes now in the u2 site.
U2cloudmining is now absolutly free not deposit possible.
I can not see scam and it is impossible to tell this a ponzi sheme.

Of course nothing is risk free...the sky can fall our head...
But if I say my systems are risk free it means that the system is risk free not the server or your computer or an atomic war...etc...

For me all agression and comments about my systems are not founded.

Now about design and writing...I'm French...and I like write English even it it is poor English.

About advertising:
You are never agressed with popups.
Banners are from my sponsors and ads compagnies and my own referrer links.
From them I pay members profit and the polemic id not the design or the poor English but the polemic is that I'm taken for a scammer.
I never start a polemic if a design or a site does not please me...
All this polemic started about promoting a ponzi,and I have never promote a ponzi.

Now I am mainly redtrusted just because I have redtrust and what i say is not believed.

I offer daily (in average) nawadays over 20000 satoshi to my members.
Allow me to make my sites like I want and not how peole want...I'm the payer (lol)
I do not ask people to use my site...they are free (lol)
But I can not accept that people say I'm a scammer and a ponzi runner it it is wrong.

My U2cliudmining site has over 50 pages...it is hard to explain all here just in posts.

Then the polemic about my cloudmining site:
yes at the start it was a cloudmining site.
yes an antminer u2 worked.
yes I have asked investlment to finance it.
yes I have found investors who have send me satoshi.
Yes the u2 miner has been resold.
yes all real investors from the start have been cashed back with profit.
yes now U2cloudmining runs without miner and makes only profit with advertising and referrals of faucets.

My system is market regulated:
This means I offer (nowadays) 21000 satoshi daily and members share these 21000 satoshi.
Active members and clever members and big reinvestors earn more...but never I offer more then I can offer.
It's not a ponzi.
When I say it is ompossible to lose it is why it is impossible to lose.
This is the other polemic.
Why it is impossible to lose?
Because all real investors have been cashed back with profit and now all deposit are not allowed.
So it is impossible for a member to lose something.
trading insides the U2 is only possible with earned satoshi.
So if members "play" the can only lose a part of earning...so it is impossible to lose more you have earned...

Ok...it seems confuse:
But believe me it is 100 times more hard to programme my system than using it.

Some people just use the U2 like a faucet...
Other use a little more strategic...
Other learn about and even ask me if something is not clear about the over 50 pages of the site.

I agree if you do not like faucets and trading you will not like my system.
But it does not matter...
I have my fun to programme it and so long I have one member to use my system it will work...even if the members use the system only once per Month.
But it is market regulated.
This mean if a member is alone he earne 30 times 20000 satoshi...for long months...ok after long months the 20000 would decrease.

The system U2 is evolutive...
I'm a selfmade webmaster...(lol)
I can not make a full finished system in once...it is why I programme page after page relative my inspiration and my programmation skills...
My fun is as well to learn programmation.

Voucher on my U2 system are new...
Little by little I see if members have understood the principle...little by little I will give more help if i see where people have understanding problems...
To show how it works it is often better to show how much such or such members have earned and why.

My system is inter-active.
If some people do not use the vouchers:
I ask with messages if they do so by strategy or because they do not understand the principle.
So they think about and often change strategy.

OK...many try my system and go away...but it is because the system does not please them...never they have said they were scammed.

That's because he has poor English grammar.


I visited his site also, I find it puking in my eyes, its full of ads. Because of his promotion about impossible to lose, the people has doubt for his system.

The problem with winspiral is that nobody understand what he says, his posts are confuse & dubious and his site looks very amateur... 

I see winspiral since a long time ago trying to promote his site, I logged on it once, it had something like a faucet, but I didn't understand how that worked at all. I never saw any review about it also, it doesn't inspire confidence, it's strange... Looks people just ignore him on forum.

If there is an investment involved, please explain it better, from where the profit will come, etc... So people won't think it's a Ponzi.

So let me see if I have this straight. You were offering some kind of "investment" in which if would be 100% "guaranteed" that the original invested amount be returned within 3 months, and those who invested would also possibly receive some additional interest as well.

How could that possibly be anything other then a scam? Or at the very least, you are horribly misleading investors as to the risks as nothing is risk free.

I'm accused to be a scammer and a ponzi runner.

I'm already over 20 years on the net and have made many many sites (google can confirm it)

I'm on the net with the same nickname and my real name is easy to find as well.

The only argument is always around the same:
winspiral is redtrusted by respectable members here so it is a scammer and a ponzi sheme runner.

It does not matter for me...
But I offer free satoshi and all these lies misslead people here.

Please prove that winspiral is a scammer and do not just follow my red trusters...because it will never end.